Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2018-04-15 Thread bpa

It is a waste of time to discuss BBC support of APIs.  They don't talk
to individuals only companies and organisations. 

The 1 May 2018 date was given in a BBC post somewhere - presumably it is
the end date of some contract BBC have with some 3rd party.  Things may
stop on 1 May 2018 or they may not so there is no point fretting about
it. If something happens at some point in the future, it may be possible
to do something sometime like last year but there is no new
information.

The schedule APIs did go away last year - the BBC hacked the Programme
API into a bodged up feed of all program data for all times into one
"file" and the Extra plugin filters and organises it and it is this feed
that may go away.

The BBC promised a replacement API called Nitro and it would be
available in Oct 2015, after many delays it now seems this effort has
died http://docs.bbcnewslabs.co.uk/Nitro.html

Essentially access to 30 days (or more for some programs) will be lost -
the BBCiPlayer uses the official vendor feed which just has 7 days of
programmes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2018-04-15 Thread Owen Smith

Raymond Woodward wrote: 
> Not that I am aware of.
> 
> Assuming the Beeb do as you suggest then Iplayer Extras will be broken
> and we will be left with the standard listen again for seven days via
> the main Iplayer plug in ...

The first post on this thread also gives the date as 1 May 2018. We
always knew this probably had a 1 year life.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2018-04-15 Thread Raymond Woodward

Owen Smith wrote: 
> So the schedule feeds iPlayer Extras uses are supposed to disappear on 1
> May 2018. get_iplayer is discussing the same issue. Is there any sign of
> a replacement API from the BBC?
> 
> 

Not that I am aware of.

Assuming the Beeb do as you suggest then Iplayer Extras will be broken
and we will be left with the standard listen again for seven days via
the main Iplayer plug in ...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2018-04-15 Thread Owen Smith

So the schedule feeds iPlayer Extras uses are supposed to disappear on 1
May 2018. get_iplayer is discussing the same issue. Is there any sign of
a replacement API from the BBC?

get_iplayer thread:

https://forums.squarepenguin.co.uk/thread-1749-post-7639.html



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-08-11 Thread bpa

Patricia P wrote: 
> I have enabled dash - the lossless live stream, but what is BBC R3
> lossless called on the schedule that appears on the LMS?


DASH lossless i.e. has nothing to do with BBCiPlayerExtra - the plugin
for this thread.

DASH / Flac is with BBCiPlayer V1.5.4 - please post to this thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104672-BBCiPlayer-with-DASH-support-test-version/page37

Instruction on how to install 1.5.4.4 and settings to use for Flac is
given in this post of this thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test=888243=1#post888243

I've tried reining in posts on Dash / Flac  to a single topic so please
don't continue discussion in this one.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-08-11 Thread Patricia P

I have enabled dash - the lossless live stream, but what is is called on
the schedule that appears on the LMS?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-07-03 Thread slartibartfast

bpa wrote: 
> You need to think like the BBC - Glastonbury is not a programme - it is
> an Event.
> 
> The BBC have gone out of their way to make sure people cannot find
> program alphabetically.
So you had to trawl through all the Event pages? I was looking under
Gideon Coe since I knew he presented the "Event".

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-07-03 Thread bpa

slartibartfast wrote: 
> You're right it's there. How did you find it?

You need to think like the BBC - Glastonbury is not a programme - it is
an Event.

The BBC have gone out of their way to make sure people cannot find
program alphabetically.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-07-03 Thread slartibartfast

bpa wrote: 
> Whatever the BBC delivers mostly 30 days but some have archives for
> decades such as Desert Island Disks.  If you can find it on BBCiPlayer
> Radio - then it should appear in Extras.
> 
> TRy under Category "Latest Performance and Events - Page 10"
You're right it's there. How did you find it?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-07-03 Thread bpa

slartibartfast wrote: 
> What time period is covered by the current BBC iplayer extras plugin? I
> was trying to find Radiohead at Glastonbury on 6 Music and couldn't.

Whatever the BBC delivers mostly 30 days but some have archives for
decades such as Desert Island Disks.  If you can find it on BBCiPlayer
Radio - then it should appear in Extras.

TRy under Category "Latest Performance and Events - Page 10"



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-07-03 Thread slartibartfast

What time period is covered by the current BBC iplayer extras plugin? I
was trying to find Radiohead at Glastonbury on 6 Music and couldn't.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread bpa

harrys wrote: 
> oh ok, sounds like change will come slooow wrt to lms and your plugins,
> which i suppose is good news in a way
I doubt it - from past BBC behaviour - change will come suddenly with a
brief announcement and probably resulting in total lack of service for
an indeterminate amount of time and we can't plan for it.  So no amount
of worrying will help - so don't worry.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread harrys

bpa wrote: 
> Don't know.  It seems unlikely as the BBC XML feed has no cpaability for
> preference it details every program - BBC would have to rewrite API and
> there has been no indication of this so far
> 
> BBCiPlayer Extra may eb affected btu again it depends on feed which BBC
> just recently hacked up supposedly to reduce maintenance and avoid any
> work for next 12 months when they will kill them  - I'd be surprised if
> they now do more work on these "walking dead" feeds.

oh ok, sounds like change will come slooow wrt to lms and your plugins,
which i suppose is good news in a way  for now :) nice to think that
extras will now stay up for the medium term anyway ... thanks to all
your work ofcourse  !



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread bpa

harrys wrote: 
>  got told that iplayer login is going compulsory over next 2 3 weeks...
> is this beginning of the eventual end of BBC Radio on LMS :(  ?

Don't know.  It seems unlikely as the BBC XML feed has no cpaability for
preference it details every program - BBC would have to rewrite API and
there has been no indication of this so far

BBCiPlayer Extra may eb affected btu again it depends on feed which BBC
just recently hacked up supposedly to reduce maintenance and avoid any
work for next 12 months when they will kill them  - I'd be surprised if
they now do more work on these "walking dead" feeds.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread harrys

i really missed the extras a BIG thank you... works perfectly :)

just listening to feedback on radio 4 ... got told that iplayer login is
going compulsory over next 2 3 weeks... is this the end of BBC Radio on
LMS :(  ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread whitman

For me, using Safari 10.1.1 on MacOS 10.12.5, it's still the case that
if you right-click on a shortened url in this forum and choose the only
relevant option, "Copy Link", and then paste it somewhere, you get just
the shortened version. Do it in Chrome or Opera, and you're offered
"Copy Link Address", and in Firefox "Copy Link Location", and that will
deliver the full url when you paste. Bit of a shortcoming in Safari, in
fact.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-16 Thread SMC

bpa wrote: 
> > frozzers wrote: 
> > > > slartibartfast wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On many browsers if you right click on the URL - you'll get options such
> > > as Copy but also an option "Copy link address" which will do a full copy
> > > of the original URL whereas "Copy" just copies the text which has been
> > > shortened by the browser..> > > > 
> > 
> > This had me foxed a few months back too - Safari 10.1.1 on OSX
> > highlights the URL in blue and also shortens the text - the right
> > click option is 'copy link' and is context sensitive, it only
> > appears when you click on a URL.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread bpa

frozzers wrote: 
> > slartibartfast wrote: 
> > > > frozzers wrote: 
> > > 
> > > My browser's shortened that to
> > > 'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml'. 
> > > > > > > 
> > 
> > On many browsers if you right click on the URL - you'll get options
> > such as Copy but also an option "Copy link address" which will do a
> > full copy of the original URL whereas "Copy" just copies the text
> > which has been shortened by the browser..



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread Raymond Woodward

If you move your cursor over the link you should see it displayed in
full in a box at the bottom of your screen.

(You can also choose to post links in 'plain text' in the editor if  I
remember) 



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread slartibartfast

frozzers wrote: 
> > slartibartfast wrote: 
> > > > frozzers wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Does this look abbreviated? It looks complete to me. How are you viewing
> > > the forum? 
> > > 
> > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My browser's shortened that to
> > > 'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml'. 
> > > 
> > > I'm using Safari on a Mac but it also gets abbreviated in Chrome. I can
> > > see it in full in Tapatalk on my iPhone though. Weird ...
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I've now manually entered one of the links from Tapatalk and
> > > it's fine.
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Chris> > > > 
> > That explains it then. I use Tapatalk.
> > 
> > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk





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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread frozzers

slartibartfast wrote: 
> > frozzers wrote: 
> > 
> > Does this look abbreviated? It looks complete to me. How are you viewing
> > the forum? 
> > 
> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml
> > 
> > 
> > My browser's shortened that to
> > 'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml'. 
> > 
> > I'm using Safari on a Mac but it also gets abbreviated in Chrome. I can
> > see it in full in Tapatalk on my iPhone though. Weird ...
> > 
> > Anyway, I've now manually entered one of the links from Tapatalk and
> > it's fine.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Chris



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread slartibartfast

frozzers wrote: 
> > slartibartfast wrote: 
> > If that is exactly what you are entering then it is not the full URL.
> > Try copying from the first post in this thread and it should work.
> > 
> > The links on the first post in this thread all seem to be 'abbreviated'
> > links and I've tried entering them but each one returns the 'Redirection
> > limit exceeded' message.
> > 
> > If I click on the links in my browser, then I'm directed to the relevant
> > Sourceforge page and the plugins download automatically so it suggests I
> > shouldn't need a longer URL.
> > 
> > Chris> > 
> Does this look abbreviated? It looks complete to me. How are you
> viewing the forum? 
> 
> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk





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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread frozzers

slartibartfast wrote: 
> If that is exactly what you are entering then it is not the full URL.
> Try copying from the first post in this thread and it should work.
> 
> The links on the first post in this thread all seem to be 'abbreviated'
> links and I've tried entering them but each one returns the 'Redirection
> limit exceeded' message.
> 
> If I click on the links in my browser, then I'm directed to the relevant
> Sourceforge page and the plugins download automatically so it suggests I
> shouldn't need a longer URL.
> 
> Chris



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread slartibartfast

frozzers wrote: 
> I've entered the repository
> 'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml' in the
> Additional Repositories field in LMS Settings and click Apply but then I
> get:
> 
> 'Bad repository http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml -
> Redirection limit exceeded'
> 
> Am I doing it wrong?
> 
> Chris
If that is exactly what you are entering then it is not the full URL.
Try copying from the first post in this thread and it should work.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-13 Thread frozzers

I've entered the repository
'http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml' in the
Additional Repositories field in LMS Settings and click Apply but then I
get:

'Bad repository http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pro...repo-short.xml -
Redirection limit exceeded'

Am I doing it wrong?

Chris



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-12 Thread bpa

Owen Smith wrote: 
> Well I've taken the plunge to get iPlayer Extras 2.0.0, I'm using that
> and iPlayer 1.5.4.4. They are both working fine with LMS 7.8.0 on my WHS
> v1 Atom N270 based server.
> 
> I have noticed that Dash 320kbps AAC streams (I don't use anything else)
> start faster than 1.4.10. In particular they start in one go, with
> 1.4.10 I got a brief burst of music then a quick re-buffer then the
> music came back and ran continuously. Now it just starts and plays,
> which is an improvement since getting to the "just plays" is faster even
> if there is a slightly longer initial delay (or maybe I'm imaginging
> that).
> 
> Radio 3 FLAC doesn't work of course, I expected that it's all turned off
> at the BBC end. I am told on the get_iplayer mailing list that when FLAC
> comes back for the Proms it will be for all Radio 3 output 24/7, not
> just the Proms.

On reason for the differeence is that 1.5.* uses HTTP 1.1 which means a
single TCP connection is used for every chunk wheweras 1.4.* uses a
single TCP connection per chunk.  So with 1.5.* each chunk GET has a
response time of about 80ms compared to 1.4.* about about 200ms - to
start playing a live stream usually involved filling buffer with
multiple chunks GETs.  HTTP 1.1. with single TCP also has less load on
OS - one TCP connection for a stream  vs 1 TCP connection every 6 secs
when steady.

I think I left a menu at the the very bottom of iPlayer menu with a Flac
test stream with robotic voice - make sure you have live pref set to
DASHFlac > DASH to play it.

If BBC follow how they implemented AAC,  I expect BBC will allow Flac to
all until it becomes "popular" (or at least well tested) then it will be
limited to UK only.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-12 Thread Owen Smith

Well I've taken the plunge to get iPlayer Extras 2.0.0, I'm using that
and iPlayer 1.5.4.4. They are both working fine with LMS 7.8.0 on my WHS
v1 Atom N270 based server.

I have noticed that Dash 320kbps AAC streams (I don't use anything else)
start faster than 1.4.10. In particular they start in one go, with
1.4.10 I got a brief burst of music then a quick re-buffer then the
music came back and ran continuously. Now it just starts and plays,
which is an improvement since getting to the "just plays" is faster even
if there is a slightly longer initial delay (or maybe I'm imaginging
that).

Radio 3 FLAC doesn't work of course, I expected that it's all turned off
at the BBC end. I am told on the get_iplayer mailing list that when FLAC
comes back for the Proms it will be for all Radio 3 output 24/7, not
just the Proms.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-07 Thread bpa

swayzak wrote: 
> When you say BBC indicate this API "will die 1 May 2018", will there
> likely be a usable replacement or will this functionality just disappear
> ?
I don't know - we are the mercy of BBC whims.  In early 2015, they said
the replacement Nitro API would be available to public in Sept 2015 -
and the Nitro web site still basically says this but AFAICT BBC may be
moving away from Nitro.

This is the BBC notice on the feeds as EXtra 2.0 now uses JSON and other
undocumented unofficial feeds
> 
> From April 18, 2017, the BBC is no longer able to offer XML, RDF and
> iCalendar (.ics) views of programme metadata from this location.
> 
> Work is underway in some areas of the BBC with a view to providing a
> durable successor to the decommissioned data views, and when the shape
> of this work is known, suitable communications will be put in place to
> direct the wider technology community towards that successor.
> 
> Until that time, it is possible to offer JSON views of many metadata
> aggregations from 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes', but these views
> cannot, unfortunately, include those of TV channel and radio station
> schedules, or A-Z or genre and format listings for a channel or
> station.
> 
> The remaining JSON feeds will remain in operation until May 1, 2018.
> 
> To expend new development effort on maintaining the decommissioned views
> would significantly threaten the future existence of the BBC's
> responsive web offering for programme websites. This includes the
> responsive web views of schedules for all of the BBCÂ’s broadcast
> services (listed at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes#services), which
> continue to be available.
> 
> Additionally - and this won't concern all users of data views, but may
> need some clarity - we would like to point out that no provision of
> metadata feeds from the BBC constitutes an implicit or explicit licence
> to download rights-controlled digital media content for indefinite
> retention by the downloader.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-07 Thread swayzak

When you say BBC indicate this API "will die 1 May 2018", will there
likely be a usable replacement or will this functionality just disappear
?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-06 Thread Peter314

This is working perfectly for me - many thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread bpa

ftlight wrote: 
> I note with interest that (for example) "A Dancer in the Dark" appears
> on both the A and D pages, and titles beginning with "The" are similarly
> listed twice.  I think this is handy!
Nothing to do with me - the BBC created the multiple entries for some
programs so if looking for a program with "The" or "A" at the start - it
will be quicker to look under the first letter of the second word.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread ftlight

Thanks as always - working well in New York.  
I note with interest that (for example) "A Dancer in the Dark" appears
on both the A and D pages, and titles beginning with "The" are similarly
listed twice.  I think this is handy!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread slartibartfast

Works well for me and doesn't seem too slow loading pages.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread badboygolf16v

Second that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread Man in a van

Yet to try this, but very,very,very, very, very, impressed.:)

ronnie



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread bpa

If you have a favorite program that is a brand rather than a series -
then custom entries can be added to the plugin's default.opml file. 

Find the program page on BBC web site and then select the option "See
all episode from ".  This will open a page with a list of episodes
available on iPlayer.  The URL of this page is of the form below.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmq9/episodes/player

Identify the pid - shown in red (in the example it is b006tmq9).   This
pid is key to creating your own menu option.
edit with a text editor the BBCiPlayerExtra fil default.opml and create
an entry similar to below with your own pid.

After you saved the updated default.opml file,  there is no need to
restart LMS - just go back to top level menu in LMS - the plugin
re-reads the default.opml when the "BBCiPlayerExtra" menu is selected.  

Below are examples for "Geoffrey Smith's Jazz", "Moral Maze", "Through
the Night" and "In our Time".  The key pid is highlighted in red.

Code:


  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h5z0s/episodes/player.inc;  
parser="Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayerIncParser" text="Geoffrey Smith's 
Jazz" />  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qk11/episodes/player.inc;  
parser="Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayerIncParser" text="Moral Maze" />
 
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmq9/episodes/player.inc;  
parser="Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayerIncParser" text="Through The 
Night"/>
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl/episodes/player.inc;  
parser="Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayerIncParser" text="In Our Time"/>
  




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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

2017-06-04 Thread bpa

Announce: BBCiPlayerExtra v2.0

BBCiPlayerExtra - a plugin to provide additional menus for BBCiPlayer
for Categories, A-Z and less functional successor to BBCiPlayerExtra 1.0


This is a plugin which works with BBCiPlayer plugin (which must be
installed separately). 

As a sop after killing off the APIs which provides programme info per
station and genre, the BBC left two APIs which provides info on
programmmes by title and by genre but it is for ALL TV & Radio. BBC have
said these "new" API will die 1 May 2018.

The "latest" API feeds are slow to respond as they cover whole Iplayer
database. The APIs are also paginated which means after filtering out TV
programmes some "pages" may only have a few entries or possible empty.

Because some categories have very many entries e.g. "Arts & culture"
over 20k, Factual over 17k, News over 31k and Music over 3k - the
results are paginated (i.e BBC only returns a small number at a time). 

The entries in OPML have ability to have filter added to restricted
titles and stations so users can customise to somewhat minimise unwanted
entries. The filters are used to provide the per station title menus.

The plugin is available from the following repo URLs ( I need to
consolidate)
BBCiPlayer V1.5.2 
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml
BBCiPlayer V1.5.4.x  
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154etestrelease-repo.xml
BBCiPlayer V1.4.10   
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/repo-short.xml



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