Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I don't know if the OP is still reading this thread, but here's one more thought that might be worth considering: LMS makes it very easy for users to start on the path to becoming developers, by providing a lot of basic information under "Technical Information," easily accessible from the "Help" button in the default web UI. Perhaps Volumio offers something similar; I have no reason to know. But if not, it might be something for the developers consider adding. LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Gobuleberbu wrote: > Lms is a brilliant piece of software. It can be practically installed > on any platform. It has features that commercial companies can just > dream of. Its solid. And light. Yes - so I stick with a winner ! My duet was purchased from Amazon in 2009 -- still kicking ! -- Bill Clark, Windham, VT Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.3 - 1588164984 @ Thu Apr 30 04:13:53 CEST 2020 Hostname: ubuntu-lms - ProxMox Virtual Environment 5.4-3 | Ubuntu 16.04 xenial piCorePlayer | piCorePlayer v5.0.0 | linux 4.19.40-pcpCore_v7 | piCore v10.1pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.2-1158-pCP --- kappclark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29572 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Lms is a brilliant piece of software. It can be practically installed on any platform. It has features that commercial companies can just dream of. Its solid. And light. Gobuleberbu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > I hope youll forgive me if this question is a little provocative or > enraging, but why do so many developers continue to concentrate their > app development on LMS rather than Volumio? This is a genuine question. > I genuinely dont understand why Volumio isnt attracting developers to > the same extent as LMS. > > Is it because LMS was there first? Is it the community, familiarity, > investment in LMS? Is it a lack of time and the hassle of learning how > to code for Volumio? Or is Volumio off-putting for some reason? Perhaps > concern about Volumios longevity. Or some irksome coding complexity. Or > maybe a less welcoming community. > > I know that LMS and Volumio arent like for like, and Im not suggesting > that LMS doesnt have a place in the 21st or that developers should up > sticks and relocate to the Volumio camp. Its just that it seems to me > that Volumio has a more concrete and vibrant future. Perhaps because its > simplicity makes it easy for anyone to get started in just a few > minutes. Volumios setup is a breeze. Anything I connect to it works > out-of-the-box. And with no need for a server I can use any old NAS or > even a USB stick for my music library. Volumio is so simple and reliable > that even my mother can use it. I don't know if I'm a typical of those > who are using both systems, but the only thing that prevents me from > going 100% Volumio are the 3rd party LMS apps. I had never heard of Volumio before this post, so there's that. But I think you answered you own question to a large extent. For me, I am very fond of the LMS community and my development of Squeezelite-X is like gardening. It's just a very satisfying pastime. The community is very nice and super appreciative of what the devs do because everyone knows we are volunteering our time. That said, I went and took a quick look at the Volumio website. So maybe I'll dig a little deeper and see what's there. I'm not sure I understand their business model yet, but it looks like its core open source, but if you subscribe you get a few extra features and plugins. That might be a bit of an issue. Why would a dev make a plugin/app for them to make money on, or what if he/she made a free plugin that competed with one of their subscription-only plugins/features? They probably would not approve it. As for LMS longevity, I think its prospects are very solid with such a mature product and an army of users and devs. And no one to say, hey I'm not making money on this, lets shut it down, or I'm not approving your plugin because it undermines my business model. Maybe there is an opportunity making a Windows 10 client like Squeezelite-X for it. (not sure yet). I'll be looking into it. R Greg Dawson Squeezelite-X rgdawson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65236 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
philippe_44 wrote: > > I can take my example of the group plugin that I was expecting to be a > nightmare and an ugly patch to develop. In fact it turned out to be a > really small amount of code to extend something that one would have > though to be touching too close to the core of LMS. And it's a great plugin that I use almost every day! Like others, I've poked around and looked at other software, but so far I haven't seen anything that comes remotely close to LMS. It *can* be complicated for a tinkerer like me, but it can also be simple enough that my 75 year old aunt uses hers every day without any fuss. Yes, I had to install and configure it for her, but she knows how to get just what she wants out of the web interface. (She would not be able to install/configure *anything*, not because she's stupid but because "I don't understand computers" would prevent her from even trying.) I'm extremely happy that development continues on LMS, but frankly it would still be the best even if development stopped tomorrow. Certainly there could be some fundamental shift down the road that suddenly makes LMS seem lacking, but I don't have the imagination to think of what that shift might be at the moment. I suppose too that if development stopped tomorrow we'd eventually hit a point where future hardware would no longer run it, but...well, I mean, we can come up with a million "what if"s? for anything and everything. So I just continue to enjoy LMS as I have for well over a decade now. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > I know that people might have issues with the subscription model or find > that at present Volumio doesnt quite compare to the far more mature > LMS, but I think its worth considering that the people behind Volumio > are trying to create something with long-term sustainability. Something > that will be around in ten or more years > Not being a developer, there's not much I can add to the main topic of discussion here, but I'd like wish best of luck to the people behind Volumio as they strive for long-term sustainability. And best of luck to you, too, in your efforts to recruit developers to the music platform of your choice. However, judging by the comments made by genuine developers in this thread, it might make more sense to focus on recruiting users, with the expectation that some of them will decide to become developers. I am not trying to pettifog you with that suggestion! LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I think we are lucky to have so many audio distributions. Just pick the one that best suits! As a part time developer, I do what I want, when I want. I wouldn't get involved in a commercial venture. This opens you up to commercial obligations and risks. Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
philippe_44 wrote: > The only thing I can add as a dev is that the core of LMS is extremely > well architectured, its pretty amazing. > > The level of thoughts that has been made to make it extensible is > remarkable. Ive very rarely tripped on a problem where there was not in > fact already a solution inside LMS and only my ignorance made me > struggle and try to rebuild a feature instead of using the build-in > capability. And when the option was really missing, doing an extension > has always been extremely easy. Very insightful comments from a developer whose work I use and respect! Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system > I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success. It can, like any project. But LMS can also be maintained by changing teams. People come and go. The only thing I can add as a dev is that the core of LMS is extremely well architectured, its pretty amazing. The level of thoughts that has been made to make it extensible is remarkable. Ive very rarely tripped on a problem where there was not in fact already a solution inside LMS and only my ignorance made me struggle and try to rebuild a feature instead of using the build-in capability. And when the option was really missing, doing an extension has always been extremely easy. I can take my example of the group plugin that I was expecting to be a nightmare and an ugly patch to develop. In fact it turned out to be a really small amount of code to extend something that one would have though to be touching too close to the core of LMS. Most of my struggles where due to me being a mediocre developer. The only thing I miss in LMS is candidly a doc of all these great capabilities. Im not saying that volumio is not as good, I dont know but I can say for sure that LMS is pretty impressive from that point of view, compared to what you usually found in the world of sdks and frameworks LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
kidstypike wrote: > Perhaps @bpa can answer as to how trivial it would be to add an iPlayer > plugin to Volumio? > > Oh, and support it for free! TLDR; BBCiPlayer on Volumio for myself probably easy - no personal benefit. Provide BBCiPlayer on Volumio with support for Volumio user base - lots of effort - no personal benefit. I don't know Volumio but writing code is usually the easy bit when the problem is well defined (btw BBC keep moving the goalpost so problem is not well defined) but user support and keeping up with side issues such as LMS updates (and users who don't want to update) is the real time consumer. OP says it's just click and BBCiPlayer is loaded and it goes - there are many many users who suddenly have an "issue" which must be a problem with BBC and/or BBCiPlayer and resolving the issue can take a lot of time. In addition would I abandon LMS community to join Volumio ? BTW this is not the first request of type "why can't you BBCiPlayer be ported to XXX system - it'll be just as easy to support two systems as one since code will be the same". The OP has a stop / start issue with playing BBC R3 @ 320kbps on LMS - I don't recall asking on forum for resolution of the issue yet LMS is being blamed. OP is aware of the BBCiPlayer support thread as they posted an issue on BBCiPlayer about Extra being on Radio menu vs App menu. If the need is so great - why has no Volumio developer just taken the BBCiPlayer plugin and replicated it ? Could there be an implementation issue doing so on Volumio ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
slartibartfast wrote: > Don't you need a subscription to access Tidal or Qobuz? Yes. 30112 +---+ |Filename: volsignup.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30112| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > Some points: > > 1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary > interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the > Classic option. > > 2. 'Airplay' > (https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html) > > 3. 'Chromecast' > (https://forum.volumio.org/got-chromecast-playback-working-t11506.html) > > 4. The subscription is optional. I don't subscribe as yet but can still > install all the 3rd party plugins.Don't you need a subscription to access > Tidal or Qobuz? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why would adding something like an > iPlayer plugin make the user experience more complex? One tap to install > then browse via the library. You want some thing between bare bones (Volumio) and server supreme (LMS)? Perhaps @bpa can answer as to how trivial it would be to add an iPlayer plugin to Volumio? *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that > it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not > more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even > my technically inept mother can set it up and play whatever she wants > from her mobile phone. My mother (like all of my average Joe relations) > doesn't have a huge album collection. All she wants is something > reasonably simple and nice looking. LMS is great software but it's just > too complicated and confusing for many people. I had not heard of Volumio before this post. I do like to keep an eye out on what is available to compare with LMS but so far have not found anything as versatile. Besides the current active development, the level of community support is outstanding. I understand that there may come a point when the plug is pulled on any development, but that could equally apply to Roon, Sonos (witness the issues Sonos have had recently), or for that matter, Volumio. The first post in this thread suggests that LMS is ahead currently due to the plugins available. I would agree. On that basis, why change? Surely you need to lobby the Volumio developers for additions to the system - they have a vested interest to maintain development, particularly if they are also seeking subscriptions for additional services. LMS caters for collections large and small. There are a number of users who have a huge collection of albums - astonishingly huge! LMS handles these with ease, and with the recent implementation of the Material skin fresh life has been breathed into the system. I guess it boils down to horses for courses. The fact is, LMS gives the hobbyist plenty of opportunity to tinker with the system and get involved with something which is not necessarily reasonably simple! Shozzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
kidstypike wrote: > Then why are you asking for plugin developers to make Volumio more > complex? I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why would adding something like an iPlayer plugin make the user experience more complex? One tap to install then browse via the library. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that > it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not > more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even > my technically inept mother can set it up and play whatever she wants > from her mobile phone. My mother (like all of my average Joe relations) > doesn't have a huge album collection. All she wants is something > reasonably simple and nice looking. LMS is great software but it's just > too complicated and confusing for many people. Then why are you asking for plugin developers to make Volumio more complex? *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
bpa wrote: > Out of curiosity - do you develop for Volumio ? No, I'm just a user. I don't have any interest in it beyond hoping that it can survive and thrive. With the root of my enthusiasm as much if not more for others than myself. I like it because it's so simple that even my technically inept mother can set it up and play whatever she wants from her mobile phone. My mother (like all of my average Joe relations) doesn't have a huge album collection. All she wants is something reasonably simple and nice looking. LMS is great software but it's just too complicated and confusing for many people. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Tried Volumio and other similar software but nothing is even close to LMS\SB. Plex is ok but not quite there yet. SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with Neorouter. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system > I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success. Out of curiosity - do you develop for Volumio ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
kidstypike wrote: > And of course Volumio won't go belly up? Who knows? Though with more people contributing to and using the system I imagine it could have a greater chance of long-term success. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I am using LMS because it is so furious fast. Before I tested last year Volumio and a few others on a Pi 3B+ and compared them on the original 7" Pi display. Attached was a music mediathek (original copy of my iTunes/Music mediathek) with 3 files. They are all really slow at browsing though the artists and albums and not really usable for me. The WAF (woman acceptance factor) was really low. Then I saw piCorePlayer with the LMS installation. I took 30 minutes or so to create the database for LMS on the Pi, but afterwards is was really fun to browse through the library. That was my system I wanted to use! Now I have a Pi 4B with piCorePlayer and LMS and attached USB Harman Kardon Soundsticks as the server. My Pi 3B+ is only a client now with Hifiberry DAC and 7" Display. Then there are two Airport Express stations attached via Airplay bridge to the LMS on the Pi 4B. They are controlled by tablets using an app on the one and a browser using material skin on the other. As long as this works, I will not change something here! carsten_h's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > ...Thinking of Volumio not as an inferior upstart but instead as an > insurance policy. A backup you can turn to if LMS goes belly up. And of course Volumio won't go belly up? *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > Ive been running LMS via PCP on a Pi3A+. With this arrangement I > find it impossible to stream 320k BBC Radio 3 ... The best I can hope > for is 2 second bursts followed by 5 seconds of silence. That feels like some old bugs or a network issue not a general problem with LMS to force you to use Volumio. The are a number of LMS user playing standard http /AAC 320k R3 and with DASH 320k on all other BBC national stations. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I know that people might have issues with the subscription model or find that at present Volumio doesnt quite compare to the far more mature LMS, but I think its worth considering that the people behind Volumio are trying to create something with long-term sustainability. Something that will be around in ten or more years. What is the LMS long-term plan? Can you guarantee that a volunteer supported project and plugins will still be around in ten years? Or even this time next year. Might it be a good idea to stop looking for Volumios current failings and limitations and perhaps engage with the project to help with its shortcomings. Thinking of Volumio not as an inferior upstart but instead as an insurance policy. A backup you can turn to if LMS goes belly up. While Im here, I thought you might be interested to know that it was my frustrations with PCP that motivated me to ask the question. Ive been running LMS via PCP on a Pi3A+. With this arrangement I find it impossible to stream 320k BBC Radio 3 or to play FLAC files from another LMS. The best I can hope for is 2 second bursts followed by 5 seconds of silence. However, when I install the LMS plugin on Volumio its all 100%. With the same hardware and the same wi-fi connection LMS will stream BBC R3 and play FLAC files perfectly. Volumio just works. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
philippe_44 wrote: > I don't knock it down, I don't really know it. I was just giving general > consideration as a developer why I would invest in a platform or not My post above was tongue in cheek, I was just pointing out the fact that it seems absurd to have a music server (Volumio), and offer a plugin to install a far superior music server (LMS). :confused::rolleyes::D To explain: last night I installed Volumio on a spare Raspberry Pi, (with a few albums on an attached USBstick) easy enough, and although the interface is pleasant enough, see pic below, (several backgrounds to choose from), the only menu items you can choose from for local music are Artists, Albums & Genres. 30109 There's a plugins section where you can install LMS, which I did, see pic from my last post above. Clicking "open the LMS webconsole" takes you to the familiar default LMS web gui and the new server startup wizard. After filling in the music and playlist folders, it started a scan of the music files on the Volumio Pi USBstick. Select a player from the drop down box and play some music. LMS version is 7.9.1. This morning on opening the Volumio web interface, I cannot find the screen that allows you to open the LMS webgui, nothing, after 45 minutes of fruitless opening every possible menu item I decided to open the webgui on my usual LMS, under Extras > Music source you can select "Volumio". 30110 So really LMS is installed as a separate standalone music server, Volumio has no further connection to this LMS instance? Just use :9000/Default (*or Material, pic below*) to connect and play music from the attached USBstick, or SSD or mounted NAS, or whatever. ??? 30111 +---+ |Filename: volumioLMS3.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30111| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
kidstypike wrote: > Don't you guys go knocking Volumio, it's absolutely brilliant, you can > install the "Logitech Media Server" plugin, and then you're connected to > . . . er . . . LMS :confused::confused::confused: > Seems to be bowing to superior software. ;) > I don't knock it down, I don't really know it. I was just answering general consideration as a developer why I would invest in a platform or not LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Don't you guys go knocking Volumio, it's absolutely brilliant, you can install the "Logitech Media Server" plugin, and then you're connected to . . . er . . . LMS :confused::confused::confused: Seems to be bowing to superior software. ;) 30108 +---+ |Filename: volumioLMS.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30108| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Touch > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
When it comes to Alexa, Volumio only has a smart-home skill with very limited functionality. Just like LMS-Lite, basically. Theres no equivalent of the very capable MediaServer skill, which supports 95 voice command categories in LMS. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware > companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only > likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or > surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg. The business of licensing SW to HW companies is hard a shit and only bring pennies. It almost never works, unless you are opening a door to something much larger for these HW companies. Also, HW-minded companies don't understand the benefit of SW and think that SW just magically jumps on it, so why paying. I've always liked this Steve Job comment in one of the few earning calls he made > > Toni Sacconaghi - Sanford Bernstein > > Tim, maybe you want to comment, if I could push you on that Steve. So if > the market starts to move towards somewhat lower functionality > smartphones in that migration of non-smartphones to smartphones that you > talked about. If the market starts to move to dramatically lower price > points, you feel you can't make an appropriate product that is good at > those price points, you will cede share under those circumstances. Do I > hear you correctly? > > Steve Jobs > > You're looking at it wrong. You're looking at it as a hardware person in > a fragmented world. You're looking at it as a hardware manufacturer that > doesn't really know much about software, who doesn't think about an > integrated product, but assumes the software will somehow take care of > itself. And you're sitting around saying, "Well, how can we make this > cheaper? Well, we can put on a smaller screen on it and a slower > processor, and less memory." And you assume that the software will > somehow just come alive on this product that you're dreaming of, but it > won't. Because these app developers have taken advantage of the products > that came before with faster processors, with larger screens, with more > capabilities that they can take advantage of to make better apps for > customers. > > And it's a hard one because it throws you right back into the beginning > of that chicken and egg problem again to change all the assumptions on > those developers. Most of them will not follow you, most of them will > say, "I'm sorry, but I'm not going to go back and write a watered down > version of my app just because you've got this phone that you can sell > for $50 less and you're begging me to write software for it." > LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
bpa wrote: > I don't think there is a real commercial market for hardware audio > player with proprietary software. There maybe small niches. Sonos > tried working with Google and then Google stabbed them in the back and > now both have lawsuits in either direction. See NYTimes article & > https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/8/21055712/sonos-google-patent-lawsuit-smart-speaker-voice-assistant-platform-monopolies. I agree that it's probably Sonos which is suffering the most from the general ecosystem players. They used to have a good place under the sun but yes, probably a large base of their users bought Sonos because it was convenient, not because they cared a lot about having a dedicated audio system. And when Google,Amazon and Apple started to play there, it was "good enough" and conveniently integrated with the rest of a larger system so, well, most of the base went away. LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware > companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only > likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or > surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg.The volume of plugins is not the problem when it > comes to licensing. There really is only a handful of LMS plugins that are widely used enough to be valuable for a licensee. The Volumio concept itself just doesn't offer much to the hardware companies. It's basically a just nice browser interface to the audio device. A company with deep enough pockets and talented enough engineers to survive in the niche market of high end audio would probably prefer to develop something in-house. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk -- Squeezebox apps for webOS, Android and Windows Phone, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
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philippe_44 wrote: > And like in any global market there is not room for many players. When > its about dedicated multi room audio business you have Sonos and nobody > else (tons of other systems I know but they are tiny niches) then you > have the free alternative that is dominated by LMS and thats it. These > two occupy their respective spaces and the rest are small niches. Of > course you have multi-purpose systems like Google, Amazon, Apple but > they are part of a broader systems people dont buy them primary for > audio, even if they can do a good job I don't think there is a real commercial market for hardware audio player with proprietary software. There maybe small niches. Sonos tried working with Google and then Google stabbed them in the back and now both have lawsuits in either direction. See NYTimes article & https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/8/21055712/sonos-google-patent-lawsuit-smart-speaker-voice-assistant-platform-monopolies. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware > companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only > likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or > surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg. And like in any global market there is not room for many players. When its about dedicated multi room audio business you have Sonos and nobody else (tons of other systems I know but they are tiny niches) then you have the free alternative that is dominated by LMS and thats it. These two occupy their respective spaces and the rest are small niches. Of course you have multi-purpose systems like Google, Amazon, Apple but they are part of a broader systems people dont buy them primary for audio, even if they can do a good job LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
wt0 wrote: > The fact that there is a subscription system tied to it is the problem, > even if you don't need to use it. I think developers may not like their > work being monetized in such a direct way without some sort of > compensation. > > Logitech or Slim Devices before them never directly monetized LMS, they > just sold the hardware that used it. > > I also agree that Volumio isn't giving existing developers a good reason > to switch. If what they are using already works for them, why invest the > time to learn the new system unless you can make money from it. > > If Volumio could licence the software for use by audio hardware companies that could replace the subscriptions. Though that's only likely to happen when / if Volumio has a library of plugins to rival or surpass LMS. Chicken and Egg. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > Some points: > > 1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary > interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the > Classic option. > > 2. 'Airplay' > (https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html) > > 3. 'Chromecast' > (https://forum.volumio.org/got-chromecast-playback-working-t11506.html) > > 4. The subscription is optional. I don't subscribe as yet but can still > install all the 3rd party plugins.The fact that there is a subscription > system tied to it is the problem, even if you don't need to use it. I think developers may not like their work being monetized in such a direct way without some sort of compensation. Logitech or Slim Devices before them never directly monetized LMS, they just sold the hardware that used it. I also agree that Volumio isn't giving existing developers a good reason to switch. If what they are using already works for them, why invest the time to learn the new system unless you can make money from it. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk -- Squeezebox apps for webOS, Android and Windows Phone, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Attracting developers is a very hard thing. Either you are a platform that can bring them revenues and then you have to convince them you can give them access to a very large number of customers or you are a free platform and you have to be meaningful for the developer himself, be versatile enough that you are THE right choice and as well have a community of enthusiastic people that give developer a pat in the back for their work. Learning a new platform is a very hard job, believe me. There is only a few million of developers in the world (real developers, people that can do complex and solid pieces of software) so they have to pickup very carefully the ecosystem they invest into LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
Some points: 1. You can choose between the older Classic and the newer Contemporary interface. I don't think the developers have any plans to ditch the Classic option. 2. 'Airplay' (https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Stream_audio_to_volumio.html) 3. 'Chromecast' (https://forum.volumio.org/got-chromecast-playback-working-t11506.html) 4. The subscription is optional. I don't subscribe as yet but can still install all the 3rd party plugins. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I think some developers might have an objection to having their work be used on a subscription based system. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk -- Squeezebox apps for webOS, Android and Windows Phone, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
As far as I could see, it can't handle Sonos devices or chromecast as players (and what about Airplay?). LMS server: O2 Joggler with Jivelite, Pi Zero W with PcP 6.0 Amp: Denon PMA-50 Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam, Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha WXAD-010, Loewe Airspeaker, Google Chromecast Audio, Home Mini & Nest Hub, Amazon Echo 2,3 and Show5, Pioneer WX-SMA1, Roberts S1, O2 Joggler, Cisco Joggler, Fiio M6, Avantree Priva BT transmitter castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
When I tried out Volumio recently, I did like it, but I missed the following: Searching/browsing Album Artists. Browsing by Random Album. Integrated Spotify and local albums. Observing the Compilation tag. Volumio can't be set to ignore a leading article, meaning that a huge number of artists are grouped under 'The'. Being able to send music to devices with the SB Radio form factor. I have two of those, on in the bedroom and one in the kitchen (yes, I have only one HiFi, but there are other places to stream the music to). etc I loved the Volumio web interface and I was impressed by the move towards developing hardware, but I noted the Volumio developers were moving on to a poorer replacement web interface. My brother has set up Volumio on a Raspberry Pi, but has problems with a number of things such as album art. Actually helping him out was interesting because he's on the other side of the world from me! He's happy with it, and I can see (from personal experience) that Volumio is reasonably easy to set up and use, but it's feature set doesn't fit my needs. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9.2 with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS7.9.2 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > Raspberry Pi 3 with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
A while back we at home were in the market for a new NAS. Initially we were taken with a model that offered a PLEX plugin. We weren't especially enthused by the NAS itself, but thought itd be great to have the PLEX system throughout the house as a server for all our films and shows. But then we thought, Hang on a moment, weve only got the one TV. What do we need a server for? Why dont we just go with LibreElec and the best NAS we can afford? Keep it simple and affordable. Its the same with LMS vs Volumio. We only have the one hi-fi, why do we need a dedicated central server? Cobbling together an LMS on our NAS (or buying a new NAS with an LMS plugin) is just an extra layer of hassle and something extra to go wrong. Easier to create a music folder on our basic NAS and set up Volumio on a Raspberry Pi. In our case the need for an LMS central server is as much a weakness as a strength. And I believe it can be a real discouragement to those neophytes who want to try a simple alternative to their tinny smart speakers. Though I take the point about the fantastic PiCorePlayer OS. Which could be the alternative if it had the user-friendly simplicity of Volumio. PCP is great, but it's still for enthusiasts only; Volumio is trying to be for everyone. That's not to say that I don't appreciate that there can be advantages in controlling multiple players from one location: just one library and system to update, and its very useful with the bookmarks plugin. However, I have noted that the Volumio can now work with multiple players. Switching easily from control of one to another via the web or mobile apps. And there is also support for multi-room sync. But none of this answers the initial question about the relatively small number of 3rd party plugins for Volumio. Unless Im right in inferring that the reason LMS developers dont moonlight as Volumio developers is that they only develop for the system that suits them. And with the time and effort involved in creating and supporting plugins thatd be perfectly fair and reasonable. Though I still wish people could show Volumio a little more love. With a few more plugins I have a feeling it could begin to make some real inroads in to the consumer audio market. And still be open-source and free. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
LMS/Squeezebox remains a versatile music manager/streamer. It does a better job at handling gapless and ReplayGain than DLNA, and has shown itself capable of playing all formats up to DoP64. For those who think the web UI is dated, there is now the popular "Material Skin" plugin. Been using it for almost 15 years and have yet to see a better solution for music. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I 'tried Volumio recently' (http://robertsaunders.org.uk/flies-and-bikes/2020/01/08/volumio-music-streamer/), and it really doesn't compare favourably with LMS, at least for my use case, particularly related to search and browse options, and supporting multiple devices from SB3, Touch, SB Radios and Raspberry Pi based players. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9.2 with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS7.9.2 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > Raspberry Pi 3 with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
In agreement and addition to Castalla > I know that LMS and Volumio arent like for like I think you've answered your own question, thats very true, it kinda like saying why do we have Cars when we have Trucks Having one player is Volumio's strong point, having central control of more than one is LMS's *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezeLite-X,PiCorePlayer x3 *Server:* LMS Version: Latest Nightly on Centos 8.0 VM on ESXi 6.5.0U3 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud/Spotty/Player Groups *Remotes:* iPeng9/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite/SqueezeLite-X *Music:* 522GB,1.5K albums with 25K songs by 5K artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
pettifoggery wrote: > but the only thing that prevents me from going 100% Volumio are the 3rd > party LMS apps. I would suggest that the reason LMS persists (and is so popular) is the existence and development of excellent plugins. I dabbled with Volumio years ago, but found it sadly lacking in versatility - maybe it has moved on. LMS server: O2 Joggler with Jivelite, Pi Zero W with PcP 6.0 Amp: Denon PMA-50 Players/Speakers: Touch, Logitech Radios, Sonos Play 1s & Beam, Libratone Zipp, GGMM E2 & E3, Yamaha WXAD-010, Loewe Airspeaker, Google Chromecast Audio, Home Mini & Nest Hub, Amazon Echo 2,3 and Show5, Pioneer WX-SMA1, Roberts S1, O2 Joggler, Cisco Joggler, Fiio M6, Avantree Priva BT transmitter castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Why bother?
I hope youll forgive me if this question is a little provocative or enraging, but why do so many developers continue to concentrate their app development on LMS rather than Volumio? This is a genuine question. I genuinely dont understand why Volumio isnt attracting developers to the same extent as LMS. Is it because LMS was there first? Is it the community, familiarity, investment in LMS? Is it a lack of time and the hassle of learning how to code for Volumio? Or is Volumio off-putting for some reason? Perhaps concern about Volumios longevity. Or some irksome coding complexity. Or maybe a less welcoming community. I know that LMS and Volumio arent like for like, and Im not suggesting that LMS doesnt have a place in the 21st or that developers should up sticks and relocate to the Volumio camp. Its just that it seems to me that Volumio has a more concrete and vibrant future. Perhaps because its simplicity makes it easy for anyone to get started in just a few minutes. Volumios setup is a breeze. Anything I connect to it works out-of-the-box. And with no need for a server I can use any old NAS or even a USB stick for my music library. Volumio is so simple and reliable that even my mother can use it. I don't know if I'm a typical of those who are using both systems, but the only thing that prevents me from going 100% Volumio are the 3rd party LMS apps. pettifoggery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69041 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112042 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
