Re: [pmwiki-users] Wiki maintenance
First, I'll note that I don't see anything wrong with putting site (pmwiki.org) maintenance details into the PmWiki/ group. It won't automatically become part of the distribution. On the other hand, there is the Site/ wikigroup which is explicitly intended for site-specific documents, so perhaps Site/Maintenance or Site/SiteMaintenance is where documents and notes about maintaining the pmwiki.org site could go. The main reason I'd give for not choosing to put it in is that it doesn't seem to be an obvious place that people think of for it. OTOH, perhaps we should start encouraging this as a pattern, perhaps even going so far as to create a template/dummy page to be included in the distributions. For a category tag, I suggest [[!SiteMaintenance]]. Pm On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:07:16PM -0400, michael paulukonis wrote: If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. Simon said pretty much the same thing, which surprised me, since it _looks_ like it's _about_ maintenance, as opposed to _needs_ maintenance. WikiMaintenance was suggested, but that sounds a bit like smurf-naming (wiki-edit a wiki-page to make wiki-changes when you are doing wiki-maintenance in a wiki-group). I was asking because there isn't a page in the wiki with this information -- how to maintain the wiki, the difference between despam and desandbox, etc. It should not go into Core distribution, as it pertains to the maintenace of the PmWiki website itself. Since there seems to be only a small handful of pages with the [[!Maintenace]] tag on them, and there is a page Cookbook.Maintenance -- which is, unsurprising, not named so in order to draw attention and have itself fixed, as much as it is _about_ maintaining the cookbook -- I will probably double-check any existing tag of [[!Maintenance]] to see if it should be changed to [[!NeedsMaintenance]] or [[!NeedsAttention]] or [[!UpdateMe]] (they aren't the same -- one is definitely needs change, one is asking for another set of eyes), as will as creating a page about Maintaining the wiki. -Michael Paulukonis http://www.xradiograph.com http://goog_2112721603Interference Patterns (a blog)http://www.xradiograph.com%5Cinterference @XraysMonaLisa https://twitter.com/XraysMonaLisa http://michaelpaulukonis.com http://www.BestAndroidResources.com Sent from somewhere in the Cloud (hearthrug, by the fender) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Petko Yotov 5...@5ko.fr wrote: michael paulukonis writes: Where would a page on wiki-maintenance at PmWiki.org go? The pages under PmWiki/ get bundled for distribution, correct? On pmwiki.org, pages that are into the distribution have a small gray star before the View Edit History... actions. In which case, site-specific notes should be frowned upon. Thus, a note regarding don't put stuff into the PmWiki/ group wouldn't go into the PmWiki group... so where? Notes related to the pages should go to their *-Talk pages. For example, questions not yet answered, things you are not sure, ideas for improvements (but you can be bold and improve the pages without long discussions). If you need me to look into a page, place a category link [[!UpdateMe]] near the place where I should look (a short message about what I should do can help me if it is not clear enough). If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. I am not sure if pages in the core distribution should have any categories in them. Petko __**_ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/**mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-usershttp://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Wiki maintenance
Oh, dear, it seems I've accidentally wakened an Elder God! The Site group sounds reasonable, as does [[!SiteMaintenance]]] - which doesn't smell remotely like SmurfNaming. I should have thought of that before - I use pages in my own Site group for notes about the specific site. The main reason I'd give for not choosing to put it in is that it doesn't seem to be an obvious place that people think of for it. That's what search and cross-reference linking is for. -Michael Paulukonis http://www.xradiograph.com Interference Patterns (a blog) http://www.xradiograph.com%5Cinterference @XraysMonaLisa https://twitter.com/XraysMonaLisa http://michaelpaulukonis.com Sent from somewhere in the Cloud (hearthrug, by the fender) On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Patrick R. Michaud pmich...@pobox.comwrote: First, I'll note that I don't see anything wrong with putting site (pmwiki.org) maintenance details into the PmWiki/ group. It won't automatically become part of the distribution. On the other hand, there is the Site/ wikigroup which is explicitly intended for site-specific documents, so perhaps Site/Maintenance or Site/SiteMaintenance is where documents and notes about maintaining the pmwiki.org site could go. The main reason I'd give for not choosing to put it in is that it doesn't seem to be an obvious place that people think of for it. OTOH, perhaps we should start encouraging this as a pattern, perhaps even going so far as to create a template/dummy page to be included in the distributions. For a category tag, I suggest [[!SiteMaintenance]]. Pm On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:07:16PM -0400, michael paulukonis wrote: If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. Simon said pretty much the same thing, which surprised me, since it _looks_ like it's _about_ maintenance, as opposed to _needs_ maintenance. WikiMaintenance was suggested, but that sounds a bit like smurf-naming (wiki-edit a wiki-page to make wiki-changes when you are doing wiki-maintenance in a wiki-group). I was asking because there isn't a page in the wiki with this information -- how to maintain the wiki, the difference between despam and desandbox, etc. It should not go into Core distribution, as it pertains to the maintenace of the PmWiki website itself. Since there seems to be only a small handful of pages with the [[!Maintenace]] tag on them, and there is a page Cookbook.Maintenance -- which is, unsurprising, not named so in order to draw attention and have itself fixed, as much as it is _about_ maintaining the cookbook -- I will probably double-check any existing tag of [[!Maintenance]] to see if it should be changed to [[!NeedsMaintenance]] or [[!NeedsAttention]] or [[!UpdateMe]] (they aren't the same -- one is definitely needs change, one is asking for another set of eyes), as will as creating a page about Maintaining the wiki. -Michael Paulukonis ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Wiki maintenance
michael paulukonis writes: Where would a page on wiki-maintenance at PmWiki.org go? The pages under PmWiki/ get bundled for distribution, correct? On pmwiki.org, pages that are into the distribution have a small gray star before the View Edit History... actions. In which case, site-specific notes should be frowned upon. Thus, a note regarding don't put stuff into the PmWiki/ group wouldn't go into the PmWiki group... so where? Notes related to the pages should go to their *-Talk pages. For example, questions not yet answered, things you are not sure, ideas for improvements (but you can be bold and improve the pages without long discussions). If you need me to look into a page, place a category link [[!UpdateMe]] near the place where I should look (a short message about what I should do can help me if it is not clear enough). If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. I am not sure if pages in the core distribution should have any categories in them. Petko ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Wiki maintenance
If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. Simon said pretty much the same thing, which surprised me, since it _looks_ like it's _about_ maintenance, as opposed to _needs_ maintenance. WikiMaintenance was suggested, but that sounds a bit like smurf-naming (wiki-edit a wiki-page to make wiki-changes when you are doing wiki-maintenance in a wiki-group). I was asking because there isn't a page in the wiki with this information -- how to maintain the wiki, the difference between despam and desandbox, etc. It should not go into Core distribution, as it pertains to the maintenace of the PmWiki website itself. Since there seems to be only a small handful of pages with the [[!Maintenace]] tag on them, and there is a page Cookbook.Maintenance -- which is, unsurprising, not named so in order to draw attention and have itself fixed, as much as it is _about_ maintaining the cookbook -- I will probably double-check any existing tag of [[!Maintenance]] to see if it should be changed to [[!NeedsMaintenance]] or [[!NeedsAttention]] or [[!UpdateMe]] (they aren't the same -- one is definitely needs change, one is asking for another set of eyes), as will as creating a page about Maintaining the wiki. -Michael Paulukonis http://www.xradiograph.com http://goog_2112721603Interference Patterns (a blog)http://www.xradiograph.com%5Cinterference @XraysMonaLisa https://twitter.com/XraysMonaLisa http://michaelpaulukonis.com http://www.BestAndroidResources.com Sent from somewhere in the Cloud (hearthrug, by the fender) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Petko Yotov 5...@5ko.fr wrote: michael paulukonis writes: Where would a page on wiki-maintenance at PmWiki.org go? The pages under PmWiki/ get bundled for distribution, correct? On pmwiki.org, pages that are into the distribution have a small gray star before the View Edit History... actions. In which case, site-specific notes should be frowned upon. Thus, a note regarding don't put stuff into the PmWiki/ group wouldn't go into the PmWiki group... so where? Notes related to the pages should go to their *-Talk pages. For example, questions not yet answered, things you are not sure, ideas for improvements (but you can be bold and improve the pages without long discussions). If you need me to look into a page, place a category link [[!UpdateMe]] near the place where I should look (a short message about what I should do can help me if it is not clear enough). If I understand correctly, the [[!Maintenance]] category was used in the past for pages needing some fixing. I am not sure if pages in the core distribution should have any categories in them. Petko __**_ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/**mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-usershttp://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Wiki maintenance
When you find out we could add it to http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/DocumentationGuidelines Note also http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PmWikiPhilosophy I don't see why it shouldn't go in PmWiki group, not all pages in the group go in the release, if you felt it is specific to PmWiki.org itself Simon On 29 August 2013 01:53, michael paulukonis xraysmalev...@gmail.com wrote: Where would a page on wiki-maintenance at PmWiki.org go? The pages under PmWiki/ get bundled for distribution, correct? In which case, site-specific notes should be frowned upon. Thus, a note regarding don't put stuff into the PmWiki/ group wouldn't go into the PmWiki group... so where? Or is that assumption (pages bundled for distro) incorrect, and PmWiki/ is the best location? -Michael Paulukonis http://www.xradiograph.com http://goog_2112721603Interference Patterns (a blog)http://www.xradiograph.com%5Cinterference @XraysMonaLisa https://twitter.com/XraysMonaLisa http://michaelpaulukonis.com http://www.BestAndroidResources.com Sent from somewhere in the Cloud (hearthrug, by the fender) ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users -- http://kiwiwiki.co.nz ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
