date:20081020


And while we are talking about terrorists, I think it is to Obama's
credit that he hasn't mentioned the right-wing terorist who blew up
the Oklahoma office building.
Forty years ago is another place.
creusa

On Oct 20, 1:52 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There is no one Obama's age that has never heard of Bernadine Dohrn,
 formerly one of the FBIs ten most wanted. Her picture was in Time and
 Life and all over the place. He'd have to be a retard to claim he
 never heard of her.or Ayers for that matter.

 On Oct 19, 8:11 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Ever been in the living room of someone you didn't or barely knew and
  talk shop with a group knowing it may or may not result in pushing
  your personal/working agenda forward??

  Almost every ambitious person has. You and your ilk are truly grabbing
  at straws.

  But then your hero calls convicted criminals Great American hero.

  On 10/19/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Did you start your Political Career in their Living Room, and then try
   to say they were just someone from the neighborhood?

   Why would he feel the need or choose to lie about his relationship
   with Ayers?

   By the way...

   You're not running for President are you?

   On Oct 19, 2:10 pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've shared on office with people for 11 years but that doesn't mean
that I agree with them or even like them. So what?

On Oct 19, 3:48 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barack Obama is a protégé of the unrepentant anti-American terrorist
 Bill Ayers, a fellow socialist who got off on a procedural
 technicality after bombing numerous public buildings. Obama's
 political career was launched in the home shared by Ayers and another
 terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn, who made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.
 Obama's dreadful wife knew Dohrn going all the way back to 1988. Obama
 and Ayers worked together for years on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge
 and the Woods Fund, doling out $millions for left-wing causes. Yet
 secure in the knowledge that the media will cover for its lies, the
 Obama campaign has claimed that Ayers is just some guy from the
 neighborhood whom BHO happens to know because their children go to
 school together — never mind that their children aren't even in the
 same generation.

 Now we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually shared an
 office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This is from the
 website of Ayers's Small Schools Workshop, part of his campaign to
 indoctrinate children in the ideology that led him to bomb the Capitol
 and the Pentagon:

 According to Obama's own website, Ayers is the founder and co-
 director of the Small Schools Workshop.

 What a coincidence: the probable next president of the USA just
 happened to share an office with the unrepentant Maoist terrorist who
 groomed him for power and launched his career, despite hardly knowing
 the guy. This state of affairs persisted for three years. The offices
 were even on the same floor,

 Who is this Mike Klonsky who worked with Ayers on the Small Schools
 project? Via Gateway Pundit:

     Mike Klonsky, the Maoist Hardliner, Obama supporter and former
 best friend of the Weatherman terrorist group founders William Ayers
 and Bernadine Dohrn, received a $175,000 grant from the William Ayers/
 Barack Obama-led Annenberg Challenge to run the Small Schools
 Workshop.

     Klonsky belonged to the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)
 and was best friends with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who later
 became famous for their acts of terrorism when the SDS broke up and
 the Weathermen terror group was formed.

     Between 1979 and 1981, Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) (CPML)
 chairman and Obama supporter Mike Klonsky was repeatedly feted with
 state-dinner-level visits to Beijing.

 Klonsky has formally joined the crowd under Obama's bus with Reverend
 Wrong and the rest. But Ayers hasn't; their relationship is evidently
 so tight that Obama won't issue any meaningful denials of it.

 The fact that this isn't on the front page of every newspaper in the
 country proves that if Obama takes power, we will in effect have a
 state-run news media, no more likely to report information that the
 State wants suppressed than Pravda was in the Soviet Union.

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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

2008-10-20 Thread rigsy03


It's part of the new tradition in politics started by Bill Clinton on
the Arsenio Hall show. All the candidates make the rounds of late
night shows and subject themselves to ridicule.//The joke is what our
political system has become via the media. Who can take it seriously
until the consequences befall us?

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 She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
 while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness. �Instead of
 facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
 SNL. �What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
 crisis, do comedy skits? �She already comes off as a stand up comic as
 it is. I think McCain would be much better off if he would have picked
 someone with more integrity. Palin is a Joke!

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McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT

2008-10-20 Thread [ the last patriotic Republican ]


McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT
 http://www.truthout.org/article/101908C
Concord, NC - Sen. John McCain's campaign reacted with fury early
this morning to a New York Times profile of the senator's wife Cindy.

A campaign spokesman called the article a vicious attack and
released a copy of a letter the campaign's lawyer sent to New York
Times executive editor Bill Keller.

In the letter, sent before the article was published, McCain
lawyer John Dowd described the reporting effort as an example of the
cruel hit pieces designed to injure people that only the worst rag
would investigate and publish.

I know you and your colleagues are always preaching about raising
the level of civil discourse in our political campaigns, Dowd wrote.
I think taking some your own medicine is in order here.

Also see below:
Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In•

The story describes Cindy McCain's unique path to the campaign
trail, a journey that included her battle with addiction and her
isolation in Washington. The article also briefly revisits the
substance of the Times article from the winter that first caused
friction between McCain and the newspaper.

This morning's statement suggests the campaign views this as a
fresh opportunity to turn a negative story in the Times into a
referendum on the newspaper, and on the national media at large.
McCain rallies often include a reference to the national media having
written off his campaign.

And, at least with the crowds at his rallies, the jabs at the
press play well.

This morning, Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.), got a huge response at a
rally in this North Carolina town of 56,000 outside Charlotte when he
said, Good news is, people are watching the news. Bad news is,
sometimes they twist what was said into something it's not.

Randy Miller, 43, a Concord banker, said the line of attack works
because people in towns like his don't trust the national media
anymore.

It used to be respected, Miller said. No more.


:
Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In
Saturday 18 October 2008

»
by: Jodi Kantor and David M. Halbfinger, The New York Times

Cindy McCain was new to Washington and not yet 30 when she arrived
at a luncheon for Congressional spouses to discover a problem with her
name tag.

It read Carol McCain. That was the well-liked wife John McCain
had left to marry Cindy, to the disapproval of many in Washington.

Fearing that the slight was intentional, she slinked to a half-
empty table that never filled. No one wanted to sit at her table,
said Barbara Ross, a friend who was not surprised when Mrs. McCain
announced a few months later that she was moving back to Arizona. It
was like high school.

Cindy McCain, the wife of the Republican presidential nominee, has
spent the last year pursuing a return to Washington: a harsh town
that does not suit her, she has said.

Nor does campaigning, friends say. She has done relatively few
solo events, grants interviews reluctantly- she declined to speak for
this article - and in introducing her husband at events, she offers
few of the heartwarming anecdotes that are the stock in trade of the
political spouse. When she finishes, she stands silently behind him,
sometimes with an approving smile, sometimes looking strained.

From the start, Mrs. McCain's marriage has been defined by her
husband's ambitions, and despite her sometimes punishing ride in
political life, she does whatever she must to help fulfill them. As
his poll numbers have slid recently, her devotion has seemed only to
grow. When the McCain campaign recently stepped up attacks on Senator
Barack Obama, Mrs. McCain joined in with startling intensity. The day
after the second presidential debate, which did not turn around Mr.
McCain's standing in the polls, she interrupted a Fox News interview
he was doing to testify to his virtues. At this late date, Mrs. McCain
is starting to headline her own rallies, starting in Pennsylvania on
Saturday.

She would walk on broken glass barefoot if it required her to do
so in this campaign, said Matt Salmon, a former Arizona congressman
who knows the couple.

Mrs. McCain, 54, describes herself as her husband's best friend,
though for the last two decades they have mostly lived apart, she in
Arizona, he in Washington. She initially seemed like an ideal
political partner, giving Mr. McCain a home state, money and contacts
that jump-started his career. But as the years passed, she also became
a liability at times. She played a role in the Keating Five savings-
and-loan scandal, and just as her husband was rehabilitating his
reputation, she was caught stealing drugs from her nonprofit
organization to feed her addiction to painkillers. She has a fortune
that sets the McCains apart from most other Americans, a problem in a
presidential race that hinges on economic anxieties. She can be

Republicans Rain Negative Automated Calls on Voters in Swing States

2008-10-20 Thread [ the last patriotic Republican ]


Republicans Rain Negative Automated Calls on Voters in Swing States
http://www.truthout.org/article/101908F
The McCain campaign has launched negative robocalls in a number of
swing states. (Reuters)
Voters in at least 10 swing states are receiving hundreds of
thousands of automated telephone calls - uniformly negative and
sometimes misleading - that the Republican Party and the McCain
campaign are financing this week as they struggle to keep more states
from drifting into the Democratic column.

Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee for president, has
denounced such phone calls in the past: In the 2000 primaries, Mr.
McCain was a target of misleading calls that included innuendo about
his family, and he blamed them in part for his loss to George W. Bush.
This January, too, in South Carolina, Mr. McCain described the calls
against him as scurrilous stuff, and his campaign set up a truth
squad to debunk them.

On Friday, a Democratic official in Minnesota said he had received
one of these so-called robocalls and had tracked it to a company owned
by a prominent Republican consultant, Jeff Larson. According to
published news reports, Mr. Larson and his previous firm helped
develop the phone calls in 2000 that took aim at Mr. McCain.

A spokesman for the McCain campaign could not say Friday night
whether it had contracted with Mr. Larson's current company, FLS
Connect. Phone messages left for Mr. Larson were not answered Friday,
nor were messages left at a subcontractor, King TeleServices, which is
making the actual calls to voters in Minnesota.

The Minnesota Democrat, Christopher Shoff, a commissioner in
Freeborn County, said the automated call described Mr. Obama as
putting Hollywood above America because he attended a fund-raiser in
Beverly Hills hours after the federal government seized control of the
insurance giant American International Group. The call was first
reported by The Huffington Post.

It is a disgusting form of negative campaigning, Mr. Shoff said
in an interview, calling people randomly off a computerized list,
during dinner time, and reciting a message that is misleading, as I
knew it to be. Republicans should be talking about serious issues.

Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said the
Hollywood robocall was based in fact. I would argue that much of
these calls are based on hardened facts that American voters should
consider, Mr. Bounds said.

Another McCain spokesman, Brian Rogers, said the automated calls
placed this year were different from those used against Mr. McCain in
2000 because they were 100 percent true. Mr. Rogers added that it
was crazy to compare these calls to the calls in 2000, which sought
to hurt Mr. McCain by describing his interracial child - a reference
to the McCains' adopted daughter from Bangladesh.

On Friday, Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, urged Mr.
McCain to stop placing automated calls in her state, The Associated
Press reported.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said Mr. McCain's
use of automated calls in this campaign showed just how much Senator
McCain has changed since then - adopting not only President Bush's
policies but his tactics. In response to the calls, the Obama
campaign on Friday added a link on its Web site to FightTheSmears.com,
asking supporters to report robocalls.

Mr. LaBolt said the Obama campaign was currently making robocalls,
but he added: The focus of all of our communications is on the
direction Senator Obama will take the country and on policy
differences between the candidates on issues like health care.
Republican National Committee officials said they were not aware of
any Obama robocalls.

Such calls are a relatively cheap way to reach large numbers of
voters in a short time. A review shows that the current calls on Mr.
McCain's behalf are uniformly negative and at times misleading.

The phone campaign hammers familiar themes that have been playing
out for months in the campaign, focusing on Mr. Obama's past
associations and trying to portray him as a friend of radicals and
liberal Hollywood celebrities.

In one widely reported call, Mr. McCain raises Mr. Obama's links
to William Ayers, a founder of the 1960s-era radical Weather
Underground. You need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely
with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, a recorded voice says.

Mr. Obama, 47, and Mr. Ayers, now a 63-year-old education
professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, served together on
two of that city's philanthropic boards as well as on the board of an
education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The two men have
been described as friendly, but are not known to be close.

In an Oct. 10 letter to The New York Times, William C. Ibershof,
the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s, expressed
outrage that Mr. Obama was being tarred with the association, adding
that he was pleased to learn that Mr.

Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office for Three Years


Neither I nor anyone else knows what that relationship was. I strongly
suspect that Obama is not told by ANYONE what to think and may well
have worked with Rev. Wright on all sorts of community projects.
It is quite clear that the parting of their ways happened very early
on, as Wright began to open his big gob. 15 minutes of fame etc.
creusa


On Oct 20, 9:06 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So is twenty years of being pastored by Rev. Wright.

 On Oct 20, 2:46 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  And while we are talking about terrorists, I think it is to Obama's
  credit that he hasn't mentioned the right-wing terorist who blew up
  the Oklahoma office building.
  Forty years ago is another place.
  creusa

  On Oct 20, 1:52 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   There is no one Obama's age that has never heard of Bernadine Dohrn,
   formerly one of the FBIs ten most wanted. Her picture was in Time and
   Life and all over the place. He'd have to be a retard to claim he
   never heard of her.or Ayers for that matter.

   On Oct 19, 8:11 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ever been in the living room of someone you didn't or barely knew and
talk shop with a group knowing it may or may not result in pushing
your personal/working agenda forward??

Almost every ambitious person has. You and your ilk are truly grabbing
at straws.

But then your hero calls convicted criminals Great American hero.

On 10/19/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did you start your Political Career in their Living Room, and then try
 to say they were just someone from the neighborhood?

 Why would he feel the need or choose to lie about his relationship
 with Ayers?

 By the way...

 You're not running for President are you?

 On Oct 19, 2:10 pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've shared on office with people for 11 years but that doesn't mean
  that I agree with them or even like them. So what?

  On Oct 19, 3:48 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Barack Obama is a protégé of the unrepentant anti-American 
   terrorist
   Bill Ayers, a fellow socialist who got off on a procedural
   technicality after bombing numerous public buildings. Obama's
   political career was launched in the home shared by Ayers and 
   another
   terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn, who made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted 
   list.
   Obama's dreadful wife knew Dohrn going all the way back to 1988. 
   Obama
   and Ayers worked together for years on the Chicago Annenberg 
   Challenge
   and the Woods Fund, doling out $millions for left-wing causes. Yet
   secure in the knowledge that the media will cover for its lies, 
   the
   Obama campaign has claimed that Ayers is just some guy from the
   neighborhood whom BHO happens to know because their children go to
   school together — never mind that their children aren't even in 
   the
   same generation.

   Now we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually 
   shared an
   office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This is from 
   the
   website of Ayers's Small Schools Workshop, part of his campaign to
   indoctrinate children in the ideology that led him to bomb the 
   Capitol
   and the Pentagon:

   According to Obama's own website, Ayers is the founder and co-
   director of the Small Schools Workshop.

   What a coincidence: the probable next president of the USA just
   happened to share an office with the unrepentant Maoist terrorist 
   who
   groomed him for power and launched his career, despite hardly 
   knowing
   the guy. This state of affairs persisted for three years. The 
   offices
   were even on the same floor,

   Who is this Mike Klonsky who worked with Ayers on the Small 
   Schools
   project? Via Gateway Pundit:

       Mike Klonsky, the Maoist Hardliner, Obama supporter and former
   best friend of the Weatherman terrorist group founders William 
   Ayers
   and Bernadine Dohrn, received a $175,000 grant from the William 
   Ayers/
   Barack Obama-led Annenberg Challenge to run the Small Schools
   Workshop.

       Klonsky belonged to the Students for a Democratic Society 
   (SDS)
   and was best friends with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who 
   later
   became famous for their acts of terrorism when the SDS broke up 
   and
   the Weathermen terror group was formed.

       Between 1979 and 1981, Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) 
   (CPML)
   chairman and Obama supporter Mike Klonsky was repeatedly feted 
   with
   state-dinner-level visits to Beijing.

   Klonsky has formally joined the crowd under Obama's bus with 
   Reverend
   Wrong and the rest. But Ayers hasn't; their relationship is 
   evidently

Re: How to Read the Constitution


I can see the libs sitting around, scratching their heads and
wondering just what a constitution is, and why should they care.

On Oct 20, 5:50 am, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How to Read the Constitution
 The following is an excerpt from Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's 
 Wriston Lecture to the Manhattan Institute last Thursday:
 When John F. Kennedy said in his inaugural address, Ask not what your 
 country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country, we heard his 
 words with ears that had been conditioned to receive this message and hearts 
 that did not resist it. We heard it surrounded by fellow citizens who had 
 known lives of sacrifice and hardships from war, the Great Depression and 
 segregation. All around us seemed to ingest and echo his sentiment and his 
 words. Our country and our principles were more important than our individual 
 wants, and by discharging our responsibilities as citizens, neighbors, and 
 students we would make our country better. It all made sense.

 Today, we live in a far different environment. My generation, the 
 self-indulgent me generation, has had a profound effect on much around us. 
 Rarely do we hear a message of sacrifice -- unless it is a justification for 
 more taxation and transfers of wealth to others. Nor do we hear from leaders 
 or politicians the message that there is something larger and more important 
 than the government providing for all of our needs and wants -- large and 
 small. The message today seems more like: Ask not what you can do for 
 yourselves or your country, but what your country must do for you.

 This brings to mind the question that seems more explicit in informed 
 discussions about political theory and implicit in shallow political 
 speeches. What is the role of government? Or more to the point, what is the 
 role of our government? Interestingly, this is the question that our framers 
 answered more than 200 years ago when they declared our independence and 
 adopted our written Constitution. They established the form of government 
 that they trusted would be best to preserve liberty and allow a free people 
 to prosper. And that it has done for over two centuries. Of course, there 
 were major flaws such as the issue of slavery, which would eventually lead to 
 a civil war and casualties of fellow citizens that dwarf those of any of the 
 wars that our country has since been involved in.

 Though we have amended the Constitution, we have not changed its structure or 
 the core of the document itself. So what has changed? That is the question 
 that I have asked myself and my law clerks countless times during my 17 years 
 on the court.

 As I have traveled across the country, I have been astounded just how many of 
 our fellow citizens feel strongly about their constitutional rights but have 
 no idea what they are, or for that matter, what the Constitution says. I am 
 not suggesting that they become Constitutional scholars -- whatever that 
 means. I am suggesting, however, that if one feels strongly about his or her 
 rights, it does make sense to know generally what the Constitution says about 
 them. It is at least as easy to understand as a cell phone contract -- and 
 vastly more important.

 The Declaration of Independence sets out the basic underlying principle of 
 our Constitution. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are 
 created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain 
 unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of 
 Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among 
 Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . . .

 The framers structured the Constitution to assure that our national 
 government be by the consent of the people. To do this, they limited its 
 powers. The national government was to be strong enough to protect us from 
 each other and from foreign enemies, but not so strong as to tyrannize us. 
 So, the framers structured the Constitution to limit the powers of the 
 national government. Its powers were specifically enumerated; it was divided 
 into three co-equal branches; and the powers not given to the national 
 government remained with the states and the people. The relationship between 
 the two political branches (the executive and the legislative) was to be 
 somewhat contentious providing checks and balances, while frequent elections 
 would assure some measure of accountability. And, the often divergent 
 interests of the states and the national government provided further 
 protection of liberty behind the shield of federalism. The third branch, and 
 least dangerous branch, was not similarly constrained or hobbled.

 Since Marbury v. Madison the federal judiciary has assumed the role of the 
 interpreter and, now, final arbiter of our Constitution. But, what rules must 
 judges follow in doing so? What informs, guides and limits our

Glitches fill Ohio voter rolls


In Hamilton County, 17 people are registered to vote from riverfront
addresses south of Mehring Way - places with street numbers that would
put their homes somewhere in the Ohio River.

Another 46 voters are registered at addresses that would put their
homes in the middle of the Paul Brown Stadium parking lot, or at the
riverfront project known as The Banks - which hasn't been built.

An Enquirer analysis of more than 8 million Ohio voter registration
records found a litany of quirks, inconsistencies, errors, duplicate
registrations and other problems with little more than two weeks until
Election Day.

Thousands of voters appear on registration lists twice - some as many
as six times. At least 589 registered voters - mostly in Franklin and
Cuyahoga counties - were born in 1991 or later, which puts them under
the legal voting age.

Voters are registered at post office boxes, office buildings with no
residences, police stations and even park benches.

Examples of suspect documents include multiple registration forms
submitted in the same handwriting for different people. Or multiple
forms for the same voter, with different Social Security numbers or
dates of birth.

Some names appear to be taken from the phone book - even with
abbreviations like Wm for William or Robt for Robert. Goldsmith
said many of those have been referred to the Secretary of State and
the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office for investigation.

Voter registration forms don't always identify how someone was
registered, but a group frequently identified as a source of bad
registrations is the Association of Community Organizations for Reform
Now, or ACORN. According to the Associated Press, the FBI is
investigating the group in several states for alleged voter
registration fraud.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081019/NEWS0106/810190380/1056/COL02
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Re: McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT


when is the investigative reporter going to do a hit piece on the
nobama's?  oh wait, that's right, they would never be critical of the
messiah, the chosen one, the savior.  just another example of the
liberal msm being the propaganda arm of the nobama campaign.  this is
the year that real journalism died.

On Oct 20, 4:51 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT
  http://www.truthout.org/article/101908C
 Concord, NC - Sen. John McCain's campaign reacted with fury early
 this morning to a New York Times profile of the senator's wife Cindy.

 A campaign spokesman called the article a vicious attack and
 released a copy of a letter the campaign's lawyer sent to New York
 Times executive editor Bill Keller.

 In the letter, sent before the article was published, McCain
 lawyer John Dowd described the reporting effort as an example of the
 cruel hit pieces designed to injure people that only the worst rag
 would investigate and publish.

 I know you and your colleagues are always preaching about raising
 the level of civil discourse in our political campaigns, Dowd wrote.
 I think taking some your own medicine is in order here.

 Also see below:
 Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In•

 The story describes Cindy McCain's unique path to the campaign
 trail, a journey that included her battle with addiction and her
 isolation in Washington. The article also briefly revisits the
 substance of the Times article from the winter that first caused
 friction between McCain and the newspaper.

 This morning's statement suggests the campaign views this as a
 fresh opportunity to turn a negative story in the Times into a
 referendum on the newspaper, and on the national media at large.
 McCain rallies often include a reference to the national media having
 written off his campaign.

 And, at least with the crowds at his rallies, the jabs at the
 press play well.

 This morning, Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.), got a huge response at a
 rally in this North Carolina town of 56,000 outside Charlotte when he
 said, Good news is, people are watching the news. Bad news is,
 sometimes they twist what was said into something it's not.

 Randy Miller, 43, a Concord banker, said the line of attack works
 because people in towns like his don't trust the national media
 anymore.

 It used to be respected, Miller said. No more.

 :
 Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In
 Saturday 18 October 2008

 »
 by: Jodi Kantor and David M. Halbfinger, The New York Times

 Cindy McCain was new to Washington and not yet 30 when she arrived
 at a luncheon for Congressional spouses to discover a problem with her
 name tag.

 It read Carol McCain. That was the well-liked wife John McCain
 had left to marry Cindy, to the disapproval of many in Washington.

 Fearing that the slight was intentional, she slinked to a half-
 empty table that never filled. No one wanted to sit at her table,
 said Barbara Ross, a friend who was not surprised when Mrs. McCain
 announced a few months later that she was moving back to Arizona. It
 was like high school.

 Cindy McCain, the wife of the Republican presidential nominee, has
 spent the last year pursuing a return to Washington: a harsh town
 that does not suit her, she has said.

 Nor does campaigning, friends say. She has done relatively few
 solo events, grants interviews reluctantly- she declined to speak for
 this article - and in introducing her husband at events, she offers
 few of the heartwarming anecdotes that are the stock in trade of the
 political spouse. When she finishes, she stands silently behind him,
 sometimes with an approving smile, sometimes looking strained.

 From the start, Mrs. McCain's marriage has been defined by her
 husband's ambitions, and despite her sometimes punishing ride in
 political life, she does whatever she must to help fulfill them. As
 his poll numbers have slid recently, her devotion has seemed only to
 grow. When the McCain campaign recently stepped up attacks on Senator
 Barack Obama, Mrs. McCain joined in with startling intensity. The day
 after the second presidential debate, which did not turn around Mr.
 McCain's standing in the polls, she interrupted a Fox News interview
 he was doing to testify to his virtues. At this late date, Mrs. McCain
 is starting to headline her own rallies, starting in Pennsylvania on
 Saturday.

 She would walk on broken glass barefoot if it required her to do
 so in this campaign, said Matt Salmon, a former Arizona congressman
 who knows the couple.

 Mrs. McCain, 54, describes herself as her husband's best friend,
 though for the last two decades they have mostly lived apart, she in
 Arizona, he in Washington. She initially seemed like an ideal
 political partner, giving Mr. McCain a home state, money and contacts

Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


nothing from the libs

On Oct 19, 6:11 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama
 appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-
 American with a chance to become president.

 Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
 wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
 endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal,
 white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
 with.

 As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
 Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
 wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence
 Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he
 also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
 secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's
 hear it for transformational figures.
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'W.' FILM A BOX-OFFICE LAME DUCK

2008-10-20 Thread Cold Water

- Original Message - 
From: Jill 
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: 'W.' FILM A BOX-OFFICE LAME DUCK

Sent to you by CW via Google Reader:

'W.' FILM A BOX-OFFICE LAME DUCK
via NY Post: News by By NEIL GRAVES on 10/20/08

Oliver Stone's much-anticipated political opus, W., wasn't the winning ticket 
at the box office, as action movies and chick flicks made it a White House 
wipeout. W. managed $10.6 million in ticket sales, good for fourth, despite 
the spot-on..

More at:  
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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


You people are fucking morons. America was at its height when wealth
distrubution was at its most equal, 1950--1965 and at its worst when
it was at its most unequal--NOW and in 1929. Imbecilic Neanderthals.

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Palin's Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain's VP Pick

2008-10-20 Thread [ the last patriotic Republican ]


Palin's Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain's VP Pick
http://www.alternet.org/election08/103645/
 Her favorability numbers are dropping like a rock. The more voters
learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Once the focus of
post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska Governor is now viewed
as a serious liability to the McCain campaign.


As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding
economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched
from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times
survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey.


Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor
and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain
58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the
endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The
Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented
that out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain
picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved
grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain,
at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than
any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate,
insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the
presidency. The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as
unqualified.


Brookings Senior Fellow Thomas Mann told the Huffington Post that
initially, Palin both built conservative enthusiasm for McCain and
drew widespread interest among voters who had not been closely
following the race. But those benefits soon evanesced:


Within weeks, she became a liability, primarily as a highly visible
indicator of McCain's impulsiveness and recklessness in picking
someone who is patently unqualified to serve as president and
commander-in-chief. McCain's only chance of making this election
competitive was to contrast his readiness to serve with Obama's
inexperience and naivet. The Palin choice was the first clear sign
(others followed) that McCain could not win that comparison.


Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, agrees about
the immediate gains, noting that the short term boost dissipated
awfully quickly. Palin's clear lack of capability to serve as VP, much
less as president, her lack of knowledge of even basics about most
areas of policy, her ethical problems in Alaska over Troopergate, and
the campaign decision to cloister her from serious scrutiny, all
caused a drop in her own approval, but also reflected on McCain's
decision-making style. Palin continues to generate enthusiasm from
hard-core Republicans who would not be as charged-up if the running
mate were, say, a [Mitt] Romney or [Tim] Pawlenty, Ornstein says,
but the downside is definitely greater than the gain.


Palin's analysis of the current economic crisis has not won over most
voters seeking a serious appraisal of the situation accompanied by
well-thought out proposals. In a highly sympathetic interview with
Sean Hannity on Fox News, the verbatim exchange on the economy went as
follows:


PALIN: Certainly it is a mess though, the economy is a mess. And
there have been abuses on Wall Street and that adversely affects Main
Street.




And it's that commitment that John McCain is articulating today,
getting in there, reforming the way that Wall Street has been allowed
to work, stopping the abuses and that violation of the public trust
that too many CEOs and top management of some of these companies, that
abuse there has got to stop.


It is, somebody was saying this morning, a toxic waste there on Wall
Street, affecting Main Street. And we've got to cure this.



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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL


Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!

Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
etc?


On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
  while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
  facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
  SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
  crisis, do comedy skits?  

 What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...

 If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
 problem or sickness...
 what would come first?

 Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
 first...and that ain't good.
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL


Concerning the Bush dynasty, Google the Carlyle Group and see for
yourself who really runs the world.
creusa

On Oct 20, 1:31 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 19, 8:20 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Why would George Washington?//

 Washington didn't ask to be a King did he?
 If he had, you'd still have his offspring as rulers.

 Contrast this with the Bush family dynasty...
 Jeb Bush will be the next family folly in 4-8 years.
 Why?
 Cause they want to be kings of America.

 Fortuneatly, with the rejection of the Clintons (Hillary),
 the Bush's will hopefully be the next to be rejected as
 the only alternative.

  I am witnessing a complete collapse of
  American values and rational thought.

 Speaking of Washington;

 Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force.
 Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
 -George Washington

 So much for any hopes of a rational thought process.
 There's never been any.
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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama

2008-10-20 Thread d.b.baker




On Oct 20, 7:04 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You people are fucking morons.

Relax, it's just a wacky poll.

Sure, people are saying they don't like getting their money
confiscated, but deep down we know they do.




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Re: California Republican Arrested for Voter Fraud

2008-10-20 Thread d.b.baker


This hardly reaches the level of ACORN:

ONTARIO, Calif.—The owner of a signature-gathering firm has been
arrested on suspicion of voter registration fraud, authorities said
Sunday.

Mark Anthony Jacoby, who owns the firm Young Political Majors, is
accused of registering himself to vote twice— in 2006 and in 2007—
using the address of a childhood home in Los Angeles where he no
longer lived.

The Secretary of State's Office said Jacoby used the address to meet a
state requirement that signature-gatherers sign a declaration stating
that they are either registered to vote in California or are eligible
to do so. -
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10762949?source=most_emailed

On Oct 20, 7:36 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 California Republican Arrested for Voter 
 Fraudhttp://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/103690/
 Another report of Republican-related voter registration problems
 surfaces in California. Yesterday the Los Angeles Times reported on
 the Republican voter registration outfit who had allegedly been
 illegally changing thousands of registrations from Democratic to
 Republican.

 Last night the head of that GOP backed group, Mark Anthony Jacoby of
 Young Political Majors (YPM), was arrested by the California State
 Election Fraud Taskforce and the Oxnard Police.

 According to California Secretary of State Debra Bowen's press
 release, Jacoby himself had committed voter registration fraud and
 perjury by lying on his own voter registration form. (That's similar
 to what Ann Coulter did, though she not only committed felony voter
 registration fraud, she also committed actual voter fraud, as well,
 even though such fraud is exceedingly rare.)

 It was my pleasure to break this story today on Fox News of all
 places! Thanks to VotersUnite! editor John Gideon for getting it
 posted as I was on the roll towards the studio. I'll have the video up
 of my appearance on Fox, and the Fox News Alert I was able to do,
 later tonight.

 Please note, this isn't the first time there have been serious
 problems with GOP-gathered voter registrations in CA, as outlined
 recently at Alternet. Looks like the GOP's voter registration record
 for errors far outpaced ACORN! Whaddaya know?
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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


Along that line serious thought has to be given to reducing the corp
tax rate.  The US pretty much stands alone now...as the country with
the highest tax rate it bestows on its corporations.

It's an unproductive mess.

On Oct 19, 7:26 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I understand all this...

 Why do you suppose their is a Credit Crisis?

 People are liquidating Assets in anticipation.

 If McCain is Elected, we will likely see much of it go back into OUR
 System...

 If not, we are likely to see it continue to go overseas, as the U.S.
 continues its decline into Socialism.

 Sad, very sad.

 On Oct 19, 5:24 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  On Oct 19, 7:08 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   What they don't get is that there are other places in the World now
   that seem to be heading in a more Republic/Capitalist model than the
   U.S.

  Actually, it's been happening for years now. Small and large
  companies, such as GE and GM, shelter much of their profits overseas,
  many in Europe where the effective and marginal tax rates are lower -
  often considerably lower. Ireland's recent rise to top Euro-economic
  status is directly attributable to it's low corporate tax rates.

  In anticipation of additional domestic penalties such as promised by
  an Obama administration, companies have been setting the stage to
  divest their US operations - not openly by declaration, but by
  defaults and segmented bankruptcies. One of the more clever approaches
  considered by GM, for example, was/is merging their losing domestic
  operations with Chrysler's losing domestic operations. It's
  complicated, but the potential domestic tax advantages are enormous.

  Meanwhile, I'm trying to get by on 14 dollars a week...- Hide quoted text -

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Re: Where's the political debate, I'm looking for it, but I can't seemed to fimd it anywhere?


You don't know anything about the workings of the world
economy when that’s all I study.

Wrong.  It's all I do, and I do note:

Want a prediction? Stock markets will go into free fall next week
and
the banks all over the world will start to go down with them. It will
be an unprecedented bloodbath.

Let's wait, watch, see.

On Oct 19, 12:04 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's emotion got to do with it? The US is stone motherless broke and
 is financed by overseas funds because if the US goes down, then the
 whole world economy goes down with it. Though the Chinese are now
 considering pulling out their funds and enacting what the Chinese
 economists are now calling the nuclear option, because it will wipe
 out the US. You don't know anything about the workings of the world
 economy when that’s all I study. For example until recently Iceland
 was offering the best rates of interests at 15%, better than the
 bloody US. That’s why the collapsing of the banks in Iceland has wiped
 out the country’s economy because trillions had been invested to take
 advantage of such high rates. Its screwed up the British banks big
 time.

 Anyway, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. 8 months ago I was
 the only one on this board that said, and I quote, a worldwide
 recession emanating from the US is a 100% certainty while there are
 those that still are in denial that this in fact what is happening.

 Don't argue with a Marxist about economics, we use science to make
 determinations not rhetorical BS about the superiority of the free
 market system. Capitalism isn't even a system; it’s an uneven,
 unplanned, uncontrolled extension of the industrial revolution. Where
 is the system, the planning? There isn't any. It’s a bloody free for
 all for the ruling classes. The WTO hasn't been able to come to an
 agreement for 9 years, in 2000 they were throwing chairs at each
 other. The banking crisis is about to split the EU because individual
 nations states cannot act on a unified basis, when the crunch comes
 its every man for himself. Total anarchy.

 You’re not even a capitalist. Do you own the means of production and
 make decisions as to what is made, how it is made and how it is
 distributed? If you don't than are nothing more than exploited waged
 labor, of no more value than any other commodity in the capitalist
 mode of production, totally exposed to the vagaries and whims of the
 decisions of those that exploit YOU.

 We have learnt the lessons of 1929. BS. They are throwing trillions of
 dollars at the banks and closing their eyes and hoping for the best,
 because they have no idea what is going on with their own wretched
 system. And the banks point blank refused to take the money, tax
 payer’s money, if their pay was to be limited or if the government
 exercised the vote according to the share they owned. The money is to
 be used to start lending between the banks, but there is no
 stipulation for them to do so, infact they can do whatever they want
 with it, including stuffing it in their pockets.

 You people understand nothing about the machinations they go on every
 minute of the day in your own country. You even believe the elections
 are an exercise in democracy, how anyone could believe such utter
 foolishness is a indictment of the level of political consciousness in
 the US

 Want a prediction? Stock markets will go into free fall next week and
 the banks all over the world will start to go down with them. It will
 be an unprecedented bloodbath.
 I have no need to be disappointed; to the contrary, things are
 unravelling even better than expected, I couldn’t be bloody more
 pleased

 Like I said, i don't give a rats arse about ideolgy. I was only
 interested in fact. I spoke with politicians from all parties and
 newspaper journaIists etc, went to the meetings. and I  read Marx.
 What did I find, that he is right, and the politicians are lying scum.
 In retropsect, I made the right decisions. Look at the scum standing
 for election today. Bloody philistine reprobates the lot of them. How
 anyone in their right mind can vote for one of these animals is beyond
 comprehension. Keep setting such low standards and you will get more
 of the same

 On Oct 19, 2:27 pm, Kamakazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Bullshit.  Sorry, didn't get past the first sentence.

  Intl money isn't as emotional as you and I.  It flows to the country
  with the highest rate of return.  Right now that's the US.

  But you seem disappointed..

  PS.  It's impossible and more than ridiculous to try to analyze the US
  budget as your checking account by the way.  But you knew that

  On Oct 17, 9:38 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Internationall money flows into America to keep it from collapsing.
   The US requires $4 billion a day in direct capital injection into its
   economy or it will tank. America's total debt is 53 trillion dollars,
   that is business, government and private combined. Last

How to Read the Constitution

2008-10-20 Thread Cold Water

How to Read the Constitution
The following is an excerpt from Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's 
Wriston Lecture to the Manhattan Institute last Thursday:
When John F. Kennedy said in his inaugural address, Ask not what your country 
can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country, we heard his words 
with ears that had been conditioned to receive this message and hearts that did 
not resist it. We heard it surrounded by fellow citizens who had known lives of 
sacrifice and hardships from war, the Great Depression and segregation. All 
around us seemed to ingest and echo his sentiment and his words. Our country 
and our principles were more important than our individual wants, and by 
discharging our responsibilities as citizens, neighbors, and students we would 
make our country better. It all made sense.

Today, we live in a far different environment. My generation, the 
self-indulgent me generation, has had a profound effect on much around us. 
Rarely do we hear a message of sacrifice -- unless it is a justification for 
more taxation and transfers of wealth to others. Nor do we hear from leaders or 
politicians the message that there is something larger and more important than 
the government providing for all of our needs and wants -- large and small. The 
message today seems more like: Ask not what you can do for yourselves or your 
country, but what your country must do for you.

This brings to mind the question that seems more explicit in informed 
discussions about political theory and implicit in shallow political speeches. 
What is the role of government? Or more to the point, what is the role of our 
government? Interestingly, this is the question that our framers answered more 
than 200 years ago when they declared our independence and adopted our written 
Constitution. They established the form of government that they trusted would 
be best to preserve liberty and allow a free people to prosper. And that it has 
done for over two centuries. Of course, there were major flaws such as the 
issue of slavery, which would eventually lead to a civil war and casualties of 
fellow citizens that dwarf those of any of the wars that our country has since 
been involved in.

Though we have amended the Constitution, we have not changed its structure or 
the core of the document itself. So what has changed? That is the question that 
I have asked myself and my law clerks countless times during my 17 years on the 
court.

As I have traveled across the country, I have been astounded just how many of 
our fellow citizens feel strongly about their constitutional rights but have no 
idea what they are, or for that matter, what the Constitution says. I am not 
suggesting that they become Constitutional scholars -- whatever that means. I 
am suggesting, however, that if one feels strongly about his or her rights, it 
does make sense to know generally what the Constitution says about them. It is 
at least as easy to understand as a cell phone contract -- and vastly more 
important.

The Declaration of Independence sets out the basic underlying principle of our 
Constitution. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are 
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable 
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. -- 
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving 
their just powers from the consent of the governed . . . .

The framers structured the Constitution to assure that our national government 
be by the consent of the people. To do this, they limited its powers. The 
national government was to be strong enough to protect us from each other and 
from foreign enemies, but not so strong as to tyrannize us. So, the framers 
structured the Constitution to limit the powers of the national government. Its 
powers were specifically enumerated; it was divided into three co-equal 
branches; and the powers not given to the national government remained with the 
states and the people. The relationship between the two political branches (the 
executive and the legislative) was to be somewhat contentious providing checks 
and balances, while frequent elections would assure some measure of 
accountability. And, the often divergent interests of the states and the 
national government provided further protection of liberty behind the shield of 
federalism. The third branch, and least dangerous branch, was not similarly 
constrained or hobbled.

Since Marbury v. Madison the federal judiciary has assumed the role of the 
interpreter and, now, final arbiter of our Constitution. But, what rules must 
judges follow in doing so? What informs, guides and limits our interpretation 
of the admittedly broad provisions of the Constitution? And, more directly, 
what restrains us from imposing our personal views and policy preferences on 
our fellow citizens under the guise of Constitutional interpretation?

To assure the

Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


Bull fucking shit

On Oct 20, 10:08 am, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What they don't get is that there are other places in the World now
 that seem to be heading in a more Republic/Capitalist model than the
 U.S.

 This didn't use to be the case, but given the direction the Loony
 Liberals want to take this Country, it may be time for productive
 people to Vote with their Citizenship...

 If the U.S. wants to become the bastion for Socialism, they are going
 to do it without me.

 On Oct 19, 3:33 pm, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  On Oct 19, 5:52 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   let us hope those 84% vote against socialism

  I've run into two schools of thought on this, and one in particular
  seems to be gaining momentum: starve the government. De-employ
  ourselves until all penalties for hard work are removed. Going John
  Galt (from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged) they're calling it, back to the
  absolute basics until all the parasitic liberals get off their lying,
  lazy asses.- Hide quoted text -

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YouTube - RE: Debate 3. LEAVE JOE PLUMBER ALONE!

From: Travis
Date: 2008/10/20
Subject: YouTube - RE: Debate 3. LEAVE JOE PLUMBER ALONE!



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Re: McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT

If there was something there they wouldve.  Michelle Obama's background is
less entertaining than Cindy's  with her pill popping illegal activities
going on.  Interesting pieces sell newspapers - end of story!

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:49 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 when is the investigative reporter going to do a hit piece on the
 nobama's?  oh wait, that's right, they would never be critical of the
 messiah, the chosen one, the savior.  just another example of the
 liberal msm being the propaganda arm of the nobama campaign.  this is
 the year that real journalism died.

 On Oct 20, 4:51 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  McCain Campaign Launches Pre-Emptive Strike on NYT
   http://www.truthout.org/article/101908C
  Concord, NC - Sen. John McCain's campaign reacted with fury early
  this morning to a New York Times profile of the senator's wife Cindy.
 
  A campaign spokesman called the article a vicious attack and
  released a copy of a letter the campaign's lawyer sent to New York
  Times executive editor Bill Keller.
 
  In the letter, sent before the article was published, McCain
  lawyer John Dowd described the reporting effort as an example of the
  cruel hit pieces designed to injure people that only the worst rag
  would investigate and publish.
 
  I know you and your colleagues are always preaching about raising
  the level of civil discourse in our political campaigns, Dowd wrote.
  I think taking some your own medicine is in order here.
 
  Also see below:
  Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In•
 
  The story describes Cindy McCain's unique path to the campaign
  trail, a journey that included her battle with addiction and her
  isolation in Washington. The article also briefly revisits the
  substance of the Times article from the winter that first caused
  friction between McCain and the newspaper.
 
  This morning's statement suggests the campaign views this as a
  fresh opportunity to turn a negative story in the Times into a
  referendum on the newspaper, and on the national media at large.
  McCain rallies often include a reference to the national media having
  written off his campaign.
 
  And, at least with the crowds at his rallies, the jabs at the
  press play well.
 
  This morning, Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.), got a huge response at a
  rally in this North Carolina town of 56,000 outside Charlotte when he
  said, Good news is, people are watching the news. Bad news is,
  sometimes they twist what was said into something it's not.
 
  Randy Miller, 43, a Concord banker, said the line of attack works
  because people in towns like his don't trust the national media
  anymore.
 
  It used to be respected, Miller said. No more.
 
  :
  Behind McCain, Outsider in Capital Wanting Back In
  Saturday 18 October 2008
 
  »
  by: Jodi Kantor and David M. Halbfinger, The New York Times
 
  Cindy McCain was new to Washington and not yet 30 when she arrived
  at a luncheon for Congressional spouses to discover a problem with her
  name tag.
 
  It read Carol McCain. That was the well-liked wife John McCain
  had left to marry Cindy, to the disapproval of many in Washington.
 
  Fearing that the slight was intentional, she slinked to a half-
  empty table that never filled. No one wanted to sit at her table,
  said Barbara Ross, a friend who was not surprised when Mrs. McCain
  announced a few months later that she was moving back to Arizona. It
  was like high school.
 
  Cindy McCain, the wife of the Republican presidential nominee, has
  spent the last year pursuing a return to Washington: a harsh town
  that does not suit her, she has said.
 
  Nor does campaigning, friends say. She has done relatively few
  solo events, grants interviews reluctantly- she declined to speak for
  this article - and in introducing her husband at events, she offers
  few of the heartwarming anecdotes that are the stock in trade of the
  political spouse. When she finishes, she stands silently behind him,
  sometimes with an approving smile, sometimes looking strained.
 
  From the start, Mrs. McCain's marriage has been defined by her
  husband's ambitions, and despite her sometimes punishing ride in
  political life, she does whatever she must to help fulfill them. As
  his poll numbers have slid recently, her devotion has seemed only to
  grow. When the McCain campaign recently stepped up attacks on Senator
  Barack Obama, Mrs. McCain joined in with startling intensity. The day
  after the second presidential debate, which did not turn around Mr.
  McCain's standing in the polls, she interrupted a Fox News interview
  he was doing to testify to his virtues. At this late date, Mrs. McCain
  is starting to headline her own rallies, starting in Pennsylvania on
  Saturday.
 
  She would walk on broken glass barefoot if it required her to

Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses ............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses  as
the sunsets on the US Reich
By Kim Kyoungwha and Wes Goodman

Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Exporters in emerging markets are hoarding
dollars as losses on currency bets worsen the slump in the South
Korean won, Brazilian real, Mexican peso and India's rupee.
South Korean phone parts maker KJ Pretech Co. resisted converting
dollars to won after record swings in currency markets ruined its
trading strategies. In Brazil, Aracruz Celulose SA, a pulp producer,
Sadia SA, a poultry company and Grupo Votorantim, a cement maker, had
$2.3 billion in losses on hedges intended to protect earnings from
exchange-rate moves. India's biggest carmaker, Maruti Suzuki India
Ltd., plans to wait for a weaker rupee before bringing profits home
from outside the country.
Western Asset Management Co. and Union Investment, which manage more
than $800 billion combined, are selling emerging- market currencies as
the global economy slows and demand for dollars increases. Zurich-
based UBS AG predicts the rupee will weaken 2.1 percent to a record
low of 50 per dollar by March, adding to a 19 percent drop this year,
while the won will depreciate 6 percent to 1,400, extending a 29
percent slump.
``This is all caught up in the broader trend for the global grab for
dollars,'' said Edwin Gutierrez, a money manager who oversees $5.5
billion in debt in London at Aberdeen Asset Management, the Scottish
fund company focused on emerging markets. ``Expect more weakness.''
Currency Slump
The won slumped 9.7 percent on Oct. 16, the most since the
International Monetary Fund bailed the nation out in 1997. It has
gained 4 percent in the past two days to 1,315 as the government
mapped out a plan to support banks. India's rupee, which has slumped
for 10 weeks, fell 0.2 percent today to 48.96 after the central bank
cut its benchmark rate for the first time since 2004 today to support
its economy.
The Brazilian real closed at 2.1190 on Oct. 17, bringing its 2008 drop
to 16 percent. Mexico's peso ended the week at 12.88 per dollar, for a
year-to-date decline of 15 percent.
Emerging markets tumbled after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for
bankruptcy, deepening a freeze in credit markets. Investors turned to
the safest, dollar-denominated securities even though the U.S. economy
is growing more slowly than those of developing nations and the
Federal Reserve's 0.5 percent benchmark interest rate compares with 5
percent in South Korea, 8 percent in India and 13.75 percent in
Brazil.
Three-month Treasury bill rates fell to 0.02 percent on Sept. 17, from
1.91 percent in August. The ICE futures exchange's Dollar Index, which
tracks the greenback against the currencies of six U.S. trading
partners, climbed 14 percent since June to 82.41, after falling 5.5
percent in the first half.
Rising Volatility
Rapid moves in exchange rates are perilous for exporters because they
can't adjust their hedging strategies fast enough. The JPMorgan
Emerging Market Volatility Index soared to a record 32.01 percent on
Oct. 10 before ending the week at 25.63. The index never exceeded
15.66 until Lehman's bankruptcy, according to data compiled by
Bloomberg.
``It doesn't matter what your fundamentals are,'' said Sergey
Dergachev, an emerging-market money manager at Union Investment in
Frankfurt, which has $233 billion in assets. ``Investors are trying to
get rid of anything that is associated with market risk.''
Central banks and governments around the world are pumping
unprecedented amounts of cash into the financial system to combat the
credit crisis. The moves are starting to bring down money market
interest rates, which may revive demand for higher- yielding assets
such as emerging-market currencies.
The three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars fell every
day last week, to 4.42 percent from 4.82 percent. The Dow Jones
Industrial Average climbed 4.8 percent for its best weekly performance
since 2003.
Debt Guarantees
South Korea's government yesterday announced it will grant a three-
year guarantee for as much as $100 billion in debts used by the
nation's lenders until June 30.
``The Korean won may rise a bit as it helps local banks secure dollars
more easily,'' said Seo Chul Soo, a debt strategist in Seoul at Daewoo
Securities Co., South Korea's third-biggest brokerage. ``Still, it
can't solve the fundamental problem until the global financial market
stabilizes.''
Brazilian losses on currency derivatives may reach 60 billion reais
($27 billion), said Paulo Vieira da Cunha, a former central bank
director who is now a partner at New York- based hedge fund Tandem
Global Partners. Korean companies may lose as much as 3 trillion won
($2.2 billion) on contracts that are only profitable when the currency
stays in a range, said Kwon Jae Min, a credit analyst at Standard 
Poor's in Hong Kong.
`At a Loss'
Taesan LCD Co., the Korean supplier of flat-screen parts to Samsung
Electronics Co., failed on Sept. 16

Bond Risk Rises to Record on Concern of Worst Slump Since '30s............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


Bond Risk Rises to Record on Concern of Worst Slump Since
'30s as the sunsets on the US Reich
By Abigail Moses

Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of protecting European corporate bonds
from default rose to a record amid investor concern bankruptcies will
soar as Deutsche Bank AG analysts forecast the worst economic slump
since the Great Depression.
Credit-default swaps on the benchmark Markit iTraxx Crossover Index
jumped 17 basis points to 780, according to JPMorgan Chase  Co.
prices at 10:22 a.m. in London. Contracts on HeidelbergCement AG,
Germany's biggest cement maker, climbed 80 to 845 and Paris-based
Schneider Electric SA, the world's biggest maker of circuit breakers,
increased 28 to 194, CMA Datavision prices show.
``The real deterioration in the economy is only just beginning,'' said
Jim Reid, head of fundamental credit strategy at Deutsche Bank in
London. ``The focus now will be on how earnings hold up in light of
potentially the worst economic outlook we've had since the Great
Depression.''
Growth in industrial countries will likely fall to the slowest since
the 1930s and global growth to the slowest since the early 1980s,
Deutsche Bank economists Peter Hooper and Thomas Mayer wrote in a
report. An index of U.S. leading economic indicators, a measure of the
economy's direction over the next three to six months, probably fell
in September for a third month, economists said before a report
today.
iTraxx Europe
Credit-default swaps on the Markit iTraxx Europe index of 125
companies with investment-grade ratings rose 2.5 basis points to 145,
JPMorgan prices show. The Markit iTraxx Financial index of contracts
linked to 25 European banks and insurers increased 4 basis points to
104.
Credit-default swaps, contracts conceived to protect bondholders
against default, pay the buyer face value in exchange for the
underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a company fail to
adhere to its debt agreements. An increase indicates a deterioration
in the perception of credit quality; a decline signals the opposite.
A basis point on a credit-default swap contract protecting 10 million
euros ($13.5 million) of debt from default for five years is
equivalent to 1,000 euros a year.
The CDX North America Investment Grade Index of 125 companies in the
U.S. and Canada, was unchanged at 195 basis points at the close of
trading in New York on Oct. 17, according to Deutsche Bank.
To contact the reporter on this story: Abigail Moses in London
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Merrill Chief Thain Expects `Thousands' of Job Cuts ............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


Merrill Chief Thain Expects `Thousands' of Job Cuts  as
the sunsets on the US Reich
By Sean Evers

Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Merrill Lynch  Co. Chief Executive Officer
John Thain said he expects ``thousands'' of job losses from the bank's
$50 billion takeover by Bank of America Corp.
Most of the cuts will fall in information technology, operations and
finance, Thain, 53, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Dubai
today. Jobs won't be eliminated in the fixed income and commodities
divisions, he said.
``We haven't mapped it out in terms of actual number of people, but we
are committed to saving $7 billion across the combined platforms, and
that will be a challenge,'' Thain said. ``Between our two companies it
will be clearly thousands of jobs.''
Thain turned to Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis last month after a
crisis of confidence in Wall Street firms forced Lehman Brothers
Holdings Inc. into bankruptcy and raised speculation Merrill could be
vulnerable. The firm has already cut more than 5,000 jobs in the past
18 months, taking its headcount to about 60,000, in an effort to rein
in costs as credit markets froze.
Thain said he expects those markets to thaw over the next six to
twelve months after governments in Europe and the U.S. injected
trillions of dollars into banks last week to avert a financial crisis.
The U.S. government will inject $125 billion into banks, including $25
billion into Bank of America, which is based in Charlotte, North
Carolina, and New York-based Merrill.
Libor Falls
Interbank lending rates, which had surged as banks hoarded cash after
the U.S. subprime market collapsed, have fallen from records. The
London interbank offered rate, or Libor, which banks charge each other
for three-month loans in dollars, last week posted its first weekly
drop since July.
``That is the beginning of unfreezing of liquidity between banks,''
Thain said. ``You will start to see some access into the commercial
paper market in the U.S. so that the capital injection, plus the other
pieces of the program that the Fed and Treasury and FDIC put together,
will start to unfreeze the commercial paper market.''
The government plan won't avert a recession, Thain added. ``Over the
next 12 months we are still going to be in a global recession,'' he
said. ``I don't think the economies of the world will recover quickly.
Clearly the U.S. economy is contracting significantly. The question
for me is how deep and how long the recession will be.''
Thain, a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive, earned the
nickname ``Mr. Fixit'' for his stewardship of the New York Stock
Exchange for four years beginning in January 2004. He replaced Stan
O'Neal as Merrill Lynch's CEO last December, after the company's
losses from securities linked to subprime mortgages began to emerge.
Subprime Losses
The bank racked up $52.2 billion in losses and writedowns from
subprime-contaminated securities before Oct. 16. The company's stock
has plunged about 81 percent in New York trading from a peak of $97.53
at the start of last year. Thain will oversee corporate and investment
banking and wealth management at the combined firms, making him a
potential successor to the 61- year-old Lewis.
``Even in a more difficult economic environment, the Merrill Lynch
pieces of the now combined companies, will in fact be profitable next
year,'' Thain said.
Banks from New York to London have pared more than 130,000 jobs since
June 2007 as firms including Lehman and Bear Stearns Cos. collapsed.
Banks and insurers have booked more than $661.2 billion in losses and
writedowns since the global credit crisis began about 14 months ago,
according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
To contact the reporter on this story: Sean Evers in Dubai at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arif Sharif in Dubai at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pakistan facing bankruptcy as world financial crisis deepens..........as the sunsets on the US Reich


Pakistan facing bankruptcy as world financial crisis deepens
By Vilani Peiris
20 October 2008

Wracked by political instability and hard hit by the global economic
crisis, Pakistan is teetering on the brink of default. The country’s
foreign reserves have dwindled to around $4.5 billion, equivalent to
about six weeks of imports, foreign investors have fled the country in
droves and the rupee has fallen sharply. The international credit
rating agency, Standard  Poor’s, has downgraded Pakistan to a
position superior only to the Seychelles, which has already defaulted.

The government is desperately seeking an infusion of up to $10 billion
to shore up the country’s finances. It had been hoping for assistance
from longtime ally China, but President Asif Ali Zardari returned from
Beijing last Friday without any commitment of cash. Another
traditional ally, Saudi Arabia, has refused to provide financial
concessions on oil exports to Pakistan.

As a final option, Pakistan may be forced to apply to the IMF for
assistance. Such a step would certainly come with unpalatable strings
attached that would hit the poor and provoke further unrest. Shaukat
Tarin, financial adviser to the prime minister, told Bloomberg.com
that he would write to the IMF in three to four weeks if Pakistan is
unable to obtain funds from other agencies and allies.

Tarin said that Pakistan had already presented its economic
stabilisation plan to the IMF which included an end to price
subsidies, tighter monetary policy and plans to slash the budget
deficit. Such austerity measures will lead to further prices rises and
cutbacks to the country’s limited social spending. A Pakistani
delegation is due to meet IMF officials in Dubai today and tomorrow.

The impact of any financial implosion would certainly compound the
country’s political crisis which is already being intensified by US
demands for the Pakistani army to step up its war on Islamist militias
along the border with Afghanistan. Its support for the bogus “war on
terror” has been transformed into an argument for financial aid. As a
Pakistani official explained to the New York Times: “A selling point
to us even has been, if the economy really collapses this is going to
mean civil strife and strikes, and put the war on terror in jeopardy.”

A top secret National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) drafted by US
intelligence agencies and leaked to the media last week, summed up the
situation in Pakistan as “no money, no energy, no government”.
According to McClatchy newspapers, the NIE warned that the government
was facing an accelerating economic crisis that includes food and
energy shortages, escalating fuel costs, a sinking currency and a
massive flight of foreign capital accelerated by an escalating
insurgency.

Just two years ago, economic commentators were describing Pakistan as
a success story under former military strongman President Pervez
Musharraf and speculated that it would be the “next Asian Tiger”. But
the situation dramatically changed after Musharraf was compelled to
call elections. His party suffered a humiliating defeat in February
and he was finally forced to step down as president in August. The
ruling coalition led by President Zardari’s Pakistan People’s Party
(PPP) is already confronting mass resentment over the continuing war
in the border areas and a worsening social turmoil.

The political crisis has contributed to a huge exodus of foreign
capital and exacerbated the country’s economic problems. As much as
$1.2 billion a month was fleeing Pakistan in the northern summer. The
rupee has slumped by more than 30 percent against the US dollar since
the beginning of the year and share prices have crashed by 40 percent
since their all-time high in April.

The country’s plight was graphically symbolised by scenes outside the
Karachi stock exchange last Monday. With trading at an all-time low,
police surrounded the building to keep angry investors at bay.
Chairman of the Small Investors Association, Kayusar Qaimkhani, told
the media: “There are no longer small investors left in the stock
market, they have all been destroyed.” On July 16, angry investors
chanted anti-government slogans and stoned the stock exchange.

The stock market is virtually dysfunctional. When the index fell
another 286 points or 3 percent on August 27, the exchange authorities
imposed a floor of 9,144 to prevent it plunging further. Since then
trading has declined to record lows with a flight from shares that are
regarded as overpriced. The floor is due to be removed on October 27,
with analysts predicting sharp falls as foreign investors dump an
estimated 20 percent of their equities. Foreign investment in equities
has already dropped from $4.8 billion to $2 billion since the
beginning of the year.

The Daily Times warned on October 14: “The recent decline in the
Pakistan stock market suggests that the bubble has burst and experts
fear that this is likely to spread to the real estate market, which
like the

China ``zero or even negative growth'' predicted for 2009.........shooting fish in a barrel


China ``zero or even negative growth'' predicted for
2009.shooting fish in a barrel

Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- China's economy, the biggest contributor to
global growth, expanded at the slowest pace in five years as the
financial crisis cut demand for exports.

The fifth quarter of slowing growth may exacerbate declines this year
in iron ore, copper and oil prices and undermine demand for exports
within Asia, where economies are already contracting. The cabinet
announced yesterday increased infrastructure spending and tax cuts for
exporters and the central bank may be poised to cut interest rates for
the third time this year.

`Spreading, Deepening' Crisis

Growth is slowing across Asia, where Japan's economy shrank in the
second quarter and Singapore has tumbled into a recession.

Financial market turmoil and a global slowdown ``have started to have
a negative impact on China's economy,'' Li Xiaochao, a statistics
bureau spokesman, said. ``The subprime crisis that broke out last year
in the U.S. is still spreading and deepening.''

China's expansion was the weakest since the severe acute respiratory
syndrome, or SARS, epidemic slashed growth in the second quarter of
2003. The median estimate of the economists in the survey was for
growth of 9.7 percent.

The contribution of trade to growth halved to 1.2 percentage points in
the first nine months from a year earlier. Export growth may slow
``substantially,'' Li said.

Demand for Steel

Rio Tinto Group, the world's second-largest aluminum producer, last
week flagged ``significantly weaker'' demand for the metal in China.
Prices for Chinese imports of iron ore also fell to a 19-month low on
cooling demand from steelmakers.

Oil has fallen 47 percent since the start of July and copper has
tumbled 43 percent.

About half of China's toymakers have shut down this year, with 7,000
workers losing their jobs when Smart Union Group Holdings Ltd. closed
factories in Guangdong province this month, state media say. A quarter
of 70,000 Hong Kong-owned businesses in the Pearl River Delta may go
bust, the Federation of Hong Kong Industries estimated today.

The central bank has stalled gains by the yuan against the dollar
since mid-July, protecting jobs in export industries.

China's export growth may plummet from 22 percent in the first nine
months of this year to ``zero or even negative growth'' in 2009,
according to Stephen Green, head of China research at Standard
Chartered Bank Plc in Shanghai.

Home sales by volume plunged 55.5 percent and 38.5 percent in Beijing
and Shanghai in the first eight months from a year earlier, according
to the official Xinhua News Agency. The State Council said that it
would increase the supply of low-cost housing and reduce property
transaction fees.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kevin Hamlin in Beijing on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Li Yanping in Beijing at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office for Three Years


I don't talk to racists. They tend to be unable to think objectively
and I don't want to allow them the opportunity of spewing their
bigotry all over the www. You can't have an intelligent conversation
with them. Hence they support McCain who bigs them up to get their
votes, then taxes them to keep them in their place.
BTW we don't have that revolting stuff called Kool-aid here.
creusa

On Oct 20, 12:02 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hittin the koolaid a little early today eh creusa.  it is nobama's
 lies and deceptions about his love affair with the terrorists.  the
 same as his refusal to release his medical records, his birth
 certificate, and his college records.  there is more he is hiding than
 revealing.  why is that?

 On Oct 20, 4:55 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Neither I nor anyone else knows what that relationship was. I strongly
  suspect that Obama is not told by ANYONE what to think and may well
  have worked with Rev. Wright on all sorts of community projects.
  It is quite clear that the parting of their ways happened very early
  on, as Wright began to open his big gob. 15 minutes of fame etc.
  creusa

  On Oct 20, 9:06 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So is twenty years of being pastored by Rev. Wright.

   On Oct 20, 2:46 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And while we are talking about terrorists, I think it is to Obama's
credit that he hasn't mentioned the right-wing terorist who blew up
the Oklahoma office building.
Forty years ago is another place.
creusa

On Oct 20, 1:52 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no one Obama's age that has never heard of Bernadine Dohrn,
 formerly one of the FBIs ten most wanted. Her picture was in Time and
 Life and all over the place. He'd have to be a retard to claim he
 never heard of her.or Ayers for that matter.

 On Oct 19, 8:11 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Ever been in the living room of someone you didn't or barely knew 
  and
  talk shop with a group knowing it may or may not result in pushing
  your personal/working agenda forward??

  Almost every ambitious person has. You and your ilk are truly 
  grabbing
  at straws.

  But then your hero calls convicted criminals Great American hero.

  On 10/19/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Did you start your Political Career in their Living Room, and 
   then try
   to say they were just someone from the neighborhood?

   Why would he feel the need or choose to lie about his relationship
   with Ayers?

   By the way...

   You're not running for President are you?

   On Oct 19, 2:10 pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've shared on office with people for 11 years but that doesn't 
mean
that I agree with them or even like them. So what?

On Oct 19, 3:48 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barack Obama is a protégé of the unrepentant anti-American 
 terrorist
 Bill Ayers, a fellow socialist who got off on a procedural
 technicality after bombing numerous public buildings. Obama's
 political career was launched in the home shared by Ayers and 
 another
 terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn, who made the FBI's 10 Most 
 Wanted list.
 Obama's dreadful wife knew Dohrn going all the way back to 
 1988. Obama
 and Ayers worked together for years on the Chicago Annenberg 
 Challenge
 and the Woods Fund, doling out $millions for left-wing 
 causes. Yet
 secure in the knowledge that the media will cover for its 
 lies, the
 Obama campaign has claimed that Ayers is just some guy from 
 the
 neighborhood whom BHO happens to know because their children 
 go to
 school together — never mind that their children aren't even 
 in the
 same generation.

 Now we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually 
 shared an
 office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This is 
 from the
 website of Ayers's Small Schools Workshop, part of his 
 campaign to
 indoctrinate children in the ideology that led him to bomb 
 the Capitol
 and the Pentagon:

 According to Obama's own website, Ayers is the founder and 
 co-
 director of the Small Schools Workshop.

 What a coincidence: the probable next president of the USA 
 just
 happened to share an office with the unrepentant Maoist 
 terrorist who
 groomed him for power and launched his career, despite hardly 
 knowing
 the guy. This state of affairs persisted for three years. The 
 offices
 were even on the same floor,

 Who is this Mike Klonsky who worked with Ayers on the Small 
 Schools
 project?

Re: Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses ............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


While you're busy cutting and pasting article after article regarding
the global economies you might take a second to read one of them.
You'll find the common thread is that through each and every one of
them the US is, either expressly or implicitly, forcasted to the
better, if not the best, of all the ones referenced.

Even in this caption, you'll note Dollar Hoarding .. as the sun
sets on the US Reich.

Even for you, does this make any sense?

On Oct 20, 8:43 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses  as
 the sunsets on the US Reich
 By Kim Kyoungwha and Wes Goodman

 Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Exporters in emerging markets are hoarding
 dollars as losses on currency bets worsen the slump in the South
 Korean won, Brazilian real, Mexican peso and India's rupee.
 South Korean phone parts maker KJ Pretech Co. resisted converting
 dollars to won after record swings in currency markets ruined its
 trading strategies. In Brazil, Aracruz Celulose SA, a pulp producer,
 Sadia SA, a poultry company and Grupo Votorantim, a cement maker, had
 $2.3 billion in losses on hedges intended to protect earnings from
 exchange-rate moves. India's biggest carmaker, Maruti Suzuki India
 Ltd., plans to wait for a weaker rupee before bringing profits home
 from outside the country.
 Western Asset Management Co. and Union Investment, which manage more
 than $800 billion combined, are selling emerging- market currencies as
 the global economy slows and demand for dollars increases. Zurich-
 based UBS AG predicts the rupee will weaken 2.1 percent to a record
 low of 50 per dollar by March, adding to a 19 percent drop this year,
 while the won will depreciate 6 percent to 1,400, extending a 29
 percent slump.
 ``This is all caught up in the broader trend for the global grab for
 dollars,'' said Edwin Gutierrez, a money manager who oversees $5.5
 billion in debt in London at Aberdeen Asset Management, the Scottish
 fund company focused on emerging markets. ``Expect more weakness.''
 Currency Slump
 The won slumped 9.7 percent on Oct. 16, the most since the
 International Monetary Fund bailed the nation out in 1997. It has
 gained 4 percent in the past two days to 1,315 as the government
 mapped out a plan to support banks. India's rupee, which has slumped
 for 10 weeks, fell 0.2 percent today to 48.96 after the central bank
 cut its benchmark rate for the first time since 2004 today to support
 its economy.
 The Brazilian real closed at 2.1190 on Oct. 17, bringing its 2008 drop
 to 16 percent. Mexico's peso ended the week at 12.88 per dollar, for a
 year-to-date decline of 15 percent.
 Emerging markets tumbled after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for
 bankruptcy, deepening a freeze in credit markets. Investors turned to
 the safest, dollar-denominated securities even though the U.S. economy
 is growing more slowly than those of developing nations and the
 Federal Reserve's 0.5 percent benchmark interest rate compares with 5
 percent in South Korea, 8 percent in India and 13.75 percent in
 Brazil.
 Three-month Treasury bill rates fell to 0.02 percent on Sept. 17, from
 1.91 percent in August. The ICE futures exchange's Dollar Index, which
 tracks the greenback against the currencies of six U.S. trading
 partners, climbed 14 percent since June to 82.41, after falling 5.5
 percent in the first half.
 Rising Volatility
 Rapid moves in exchange rates are perilous for exporters because they
 can't adjust their hedging strategies fast enough. The JPMorgan
 Emerging Market Volatility Index soared to a record 32.01 percent on
 Oct. 10 before ending the week at 25.63. The index never exceeded
 15.66 until Lehman's bankruptcy, according to data compiled by
 Bloomberg.
 ``It doesn't matter what your fundamentals are,'' said Sergey
 Dergachev, an emerging-market money manager at Union Investment in
 Frankfurt, which has $233 billion in assets. ``Investors are trying to
 get rid of anything that is associated with market risk.''
 Central banks and governments around the world are pumping
 unprecedented amounts of cash into the financial system to combat the
 credit crisis. The moves are starting to bring down money market
 interest rates, which may revive demand for higher- yielding assets
 such as emerging-market currencies.
 The three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars fell every
 day last week, to 4.42 percent from 4.82 percent. The Dow Jones
 Industrial Average climbed 4.8 percent for its best weekly performance
 since 2003.
 Debt Guarantees
 South Korea's government yesterday announced it will grant a three-
 year guarantee for as much as $100 billion in debts used by the
 nation's lenders until June 30.
 ``The Korean won may rise a bit as it helps local banks secure dollars
 more easily,'' said Seo Chul Soo, a debt strategist in Seoul at Daewoo
 Securities Co., South Korea's third-biggest brokerage. ``Still, it
 can't solve the fundamental problem until

Re: A Dose of Reality on the ACORN Hysteria


a good number of those few were from ACORN.   Democrats and
Republicans dislike different aspects of vote fraud -- Democrats
regulations that prevent folks from voting, and Republicans
regulations that allow ineligible voters to register (as dead people,
non citizens, felons, and people registered in different
localities)...  Both need to be cleaned up...  It is clear you favor
just non transparent elections by NOT condemning voter fraud of all
types

On Oct 18, 2:49 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 acorn is not a part of or an agent of the DNC . and to date they have
 not been convicted of voter fraud in fact very few people have ever
 been convicted of that crime because it is almost non existent except
 in the fevered imagination of the GOP who want to block poor people
 and blacks from voting !

 On Oct 17, 3:39 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Acorn for one.  Under investigation in about 1/3 of all the states for
  voter fraud..

  On Oct 17, 3:39 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   post even one link to an  agent  of the DNC being convicted of voter
   fraud !

   On Oct 16, 2:48 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Agents the DNC and Obama regularly use have...

On Oct 16, 3:41 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 are you claiming the DNC or the Obama campaign has committed voter
 fraud ?

 On Oct 15, 12:21 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ACORN HAS committed voter fraud...  That is the point you miss...
  There are numberous convictions in the past...   1/3 of the states 
  are
  investigating ACORN for fraud now...   Why, if Obama is concerned
  about fair elections, is Obama ignoring fraud done by his side in 
  this
  election???

  On Oct 15, 4:53 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A Dose of Reality on the ACORN 
   Hysteriahttp://www.truthout.org/101408VA
   New voter location cards are being sent to over half of the 
   voters in
   Kalamazoo, Michigan, notifying them of a change in their poll or
   precinct location. (Photo: Jill McLane Baker / Kalamazoo Gazette)
   It's worth taking a moment to step back from the slew of 
   charges
   leveled over the last week at ACORN, the community-organizing 
   group
   that Republicans and the McCain campaign have been trying to turn 
   into
   a bogeyman for fears about vote fraud (and, of course, tie to 
   Barack
   Obama).

   The GOP has accused ACORN of submitting fraudulent voter
   registration forms numbering in the hundreds or thousands, in
   battleground states including Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, and Missouri.

   But the most important point that's getting lost in the Fox-
   generated hysteria is that, according to voting experts, even when
   fraudulent voter registration forms are submitted, they virtually
   never lead to fraudulent votes being cast. Richard Hasen, a law
   professor at Loyola and an authority on voting law, wrote in a 
   2007 op-
   ed published last year in the Dallas Morning News and noted 
   recently
   by TPM, that the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through 
   the use
   of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible, because of the
   sheer logistical challenges it would require to carry out on a 
   large
   scale.

   In many states, ACORN is required by law to turn in all the 
   forms
   it collects, though the law differs from state to law, according 
   to
   experts.

   ACORN has consistently said that it flags suspicious forms for
   election officials. Indeed, in Nevada where last week an ACORN 
   office
   was raided in an investigation headed by the Secretary of State, 
   ACORN
   was already cooperating with authorities.

   According to a statement from the group which has not been
   disputed by state officials, in July, ACORN set up a meeting with
   county elections officials and the Secretary of State's office to 
   urge
   them to take action on information ACORN had provided. Since then,
   ACORN has provided officials with copies and - in some cases - 
   second
   copies of many of the personnel records and the 'problem card
   packages' and cover sheets with which we originally identified the
   problem cards.

   It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made 
   against
   ACORN in the last few election cycles, and several investigations 
   were
   conducted, none of which found evidence of widespread voter fraud.
   Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured 
   by
   GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after 
   they
   failed to

Re: Republicans Rain Negative Automated Calls on Voters in Swing States


only to a dem is the truth considered negative.  but then the dems
have no concept of truth.

On Oct 20, 5:00 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Republicans Rain Negative Automated Calls on Voters in Swing 
 Stateshttp://www.truthout.org/article/101908F
 The McCain campaign has launched negative robocalls in a number of
 swing states. (Reuters)
 Voters in at least 10 swing states are receiving hundreds of
 thousands of automated telephone calls - uniformly negative and
 sometimes misleading - that the Republican Party and the McCain
 campaign are financing this week as they struggle to keep more states
 from drifting into the Democratic column.

 Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee for president, has
 denounced such phone calls in the past: In the 2000 primaries, Mr.
 McCain was a target of misleading calls that included innuendo about
 his family, and he blamed them in part for his loss to George W. Bush.
 This January, too, in South Carolina, Mr. McCain described the calls
 against him as scurrilous stuff, and his campaign set up a truth
 squad to debunk them.

 On Friday, a Democratic official in Minnesota said he had received
 one of these so-called robocalls and had tracked it to a company owned
 by a prominent Republican consultant, Jeff Larson. According to
 published news reports, Mr. Larson and his previous firm helped
 develop the phone calls in 2000 that took aim at Mr. McCain.

 A spokesman for the McCain campaign could not say Friday night
 whether it had contracted with Mr. Larson's current company, FLS
 Connect. Phone messages left for Mr. Larson were not answered Friday,
 nor were messages left at a subcontractor, King TeleServices, which is
 making the actual calls to voters in Minnesota.

 The Minnesota Democrat, Christopher Shoff, a commissioner in
 Freeborn County, said the automated call described Mr. Obama as
 putting Hollywood above America because he attended a fund-raiser in
 Beverly Hills hours after the federal government seized control of the
 insurance giant American International Group. The call was first
 reported by The Huffington Post.

 It is a disgusting form of negative campaigning, Mr. Shoff said
 in an interview, calling people randomly off a computerized list,
 during dinner time, and reciting a message that is misleading, as I
 knew it to be. Republicans should be talking about serious issues.

 Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said the
 Hollywood robocall was based in fact. I would argue that much of
 these calls are based on hardened facts that American voters should
 consider, Mr. Bounds said.

 Another McCain spokesman, Brian Rogers, said the automated calls
 placed this year were different from those used against Mr. McCain in
 2000 because they were 100 percent true. Mr. Rogers added that it
 was crazy to compare these calls to the calls in 2000, which sought
 to hurt Mr. McCain by describing his interracial child - a reference
 to the McCains' adopted daughter from Bangladesh.

 On Friday, Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, urged Mr.
 McCain to stop placing automated calls in her state, The Associated
 Press reported.

 Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said Mr. McCain's
 use of automated calls in this campaign showed just how much Senator
 McCain has changed since then - adopting not only President Bush's
 policies but his tactics. In response to the calls, the Obama
 campaign on Friday added a link on its Web site to FightTheSmears.com,
 asking supporters to report robocalls.

 Mr. LaBolt said the Obama campaign was currently making robocalls,
 but he added: The focus of all of our communications is on the
 direction Senator Obama will take the country and on policy
 differences between the candidates on issues like health care.
 Republican National Committee officials said they were not aware of
 any Obama robocalls.

 Such calls are a relatively cheap way to reach large numbers of
 voters in a short time. A review shows that the current calls on Mr.
 McCain's behalf are uniformly negative and at times misleading.

 The phone campaign hammers familiar themes that have been playing
 out for months in the campaign, focusing on Mr. Obama's past
 associations and trying to portray him as a friend of radicals and
 liberal Hollywood celebrities.

 In one widely reported call, Mr. McCain raises Mr. Obama's links
 to William Ayers, a founder of the 1960s-era radical Weather
 Underground. You need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely
 with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, a recorded voice says.

 Mr. Obama, 47, and Mr. Ayers, now a 63-year-old education
 professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, served together on
 two of that city's philanthropic boards as well as on the board of an
 education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The two men have
 been described as friendly, but are not known to be

Re: A Dose of Reality on the ACORN Hysteria


ACORN is a partisan group...   You are doing Hitler-like propaganda
here...

On Oct 18, 2:59 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ACORN is non partisan action group who work in the community's
 registering voters as well as other things such as fighting to remove
 crack houses from neighborhoods  .

 On Oct 18, 2:53 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You conveniently forget that the US attorneys
  scandal that led to the resignation of Attorney General Alberto
  Gonzales arose from a Republican attempt to suppress the vote. A
  number of the attorneys were sacked because they did not comply with
  Republican pressure to expedite the prosecution of voter fraud cases,
  so that they would take place before the 2006 elections. For example,
  the US Department of Justice has found that US Attorney David
  Iglesias
  was dismissed for failing to investigate a local ACORN chapter in New
  Mexico.

  More craven than the Republican attacks on ACORN has been the
  cowardly
  response of Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. In response to
  McCain’s attack on ACORN, Obama disowned any relationship to the
  organization, which has worked feverishly on his behalf for months.
  Moments earlier he had disowned Bill Ayers, the former radical
  routinely condemned by Republicans as a terrorist. Shortly afterward
  he listed  those he considers his
  true  associates. These include the world’s richest man, Warren
  Buffett, and former Federal Reserve
  Board head Paul Volcker, whose high interest
  rate “shock therapy” in 1979 was responsible for devastating many of
  the communities where ACORN now seeks to register impoverished
  voters.

  On Oct 15, 8:03 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   It isn't about just the potential fraudulent Votes being cast, it is
   also about Polling Data and the ability of the Election people to do
   their Jobs...

   Although it is no surprise that Idiots, like little Liar mikey, would
   try to dismiss this FRAUD because it is his Party that is attempting
   to pull it off, and failing miserably.

   On Oct 15, 1:53 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Dose of Reality on the ACORN Hysteriahttp://www.truthout.org/101408VA
New voter location cards are being sent to over half of the voters in
Kalamazoo, Michigan, notifying them of a change in their poll or
precinct location. (Photo: Jill McLane Baker / Kalamazoo Gazette)
It's worth taking a moment to step back from the slew of charges
leveled over the last week at ACORN, the community-organizing group
that Republicans and the McCain campaign have been trying to turn into
a bogeyman for fears about vote fraud (and, of course, tie to Barack
Obama).

The GOP has accused ACORN of submitting fraudulent voter
registration forms numbering in the hundreds or thousands, in
battleground states including Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, and Missouri.

But the most important point that's getting lost in the Fox-
generated hysteria is that, according to voting experts, even when
fraudulent voter registration forms are submitted, they virtually
never lead to fraudulent votes being cast. Richard Hasen, a law
professor at Loyola and an authority on voting law, wrote in a 2007 op-
ed published last year in the Dallas Morning News and noted recently
by TPM, that the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use
of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible, because of the
sheer logistical challenges it would require to carry out on a large
scale.

In many states, ACORN is required by law to turn in all the forms
it collects, though the law differs from state to law, according to
experts.

ACORN has consistently said that it flags suspicious forms for
election officials. Indeed, in Nevada where last week an ACORN office
was raided in an investigation headed by the Secretary of State, ACORN
was already cooperating with authorities.

According to a statement from the group which has not been
disputed by state officials, in July, ACORN set up a meeting with
county elections officials and the Secretary of State's office to urge
them to take action on information ACORN had provided. Since then,
ACORN has provided officials with copies and - in some cases - second
copies of many of the personnel records and the 'problem card
packages' and cover sheets with which we originally identified the
problem cards.

It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made against
ACORN in the last few election cycles, and several investigations were
conducted, none of which found evidence of widespread voter fraud.
Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured by
GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after they
failed to come up with sufficient evidence.

Re: A Dose of Reality on the ACORN Hysteria


Yep.  Kinda like public financing of campaigns to level the playing
field.  A good idea, agreed to by both, followed by only one.

On Oct 20, 9:09 am, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 a good number of those few were from ACORN.   Democrats and
 Republicans dislike different aspects of vote fraud -- Democrats
 regulations that prevent folks from voting, and Republicans
 regulations that allow ineligible voters to register (as dead people,
 non citizens, felons, and people registered in different
 localities)...  Both need to be cleaned up...  It is clear you favor
 just non transparent elections by NOT condemning voter fraud of all
 types

 On Oct 18, 2:49 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  acorn is not a part of or an agent of the DNC . and to date they have
  not been convicted of voter fraud in fact very few people have ever
  been convicted of that crime because it is almost non existent except
  in the fevered imagination of the GOP who want to block poor people
  and blacks from voting !

  On Oct 17, 3:39 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Acorn for one.  Under investigation in about 1/3 of all the states for
   voter fraud..

   On Oct 17, 3:39 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
post even one link to an  agent  of the DNC being convicted of voter
fraud !

On Oct 16, 2:48 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Agents the DNC and Obama regularly use have...

 On Oct 16, 3:41 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  are you claiming the DNC or the Obama campaign has committed voter
  fraud ?

  On Oct 15, 12:21 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   ACORN HAS committed voter fraud...  That is the point you miss...
   There are numberous convictions in the past...   1/3 of the 
   states are
   investigating ACORN for fraud now...   Why, if Obama is concerned
   about fair elections, is Obama ignoring fraud done by his side in 
   this
   election???

   On Oct 15, 4:53 am, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]

   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Dose of Reality on the ACORN 
Hysteriahttp://www.truthout.org/101408VA
New voter location cards are being sent to over half of the 
voters in
Kalamazoo, Michigan, notifying them of a change in their poll or
precinct location. (Photo: Jill McLane Baker / Kalamazoo 
Gazette)
    It's worth taking a moment to step back from the slew of 
charges
leveled over the last week at ACORN, the community-organizing 
group
that Republicans and the McCain campaign have been trying to 
turn into
a bogeyman for fears about vote fraud (and, of course, tie to 
Barack
Obama).

    The GOP has accused ACORN of submitting fraudulent voter
registration forms numbering in the hundreds or thousands, in
battleground states including Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, and 
Missouri.

    But the most important point that's getting lost in the Fox-
generated hysteria is that, according to voting experts, even 
when
fraudulent voter registration forms are submitted, they 
virtually
never lead to fraudulent votes being cast. Richard Hasen, a law
professor at Loyola and an authority on voting law, wrote in a 
2007 op-
ed published last year in the Dallas Morning News and noted 
recently
by TPM, that the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through 
the use
of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible, because of 
the
sheer logistical challenges it would require to carry out on a 
large
scale.

    In many states, ACORN is required by law to turn in all the 
forms
it collects, though the law differs from state to law, 
according to
experts.

    ACORN has consistently said that it flags suspicious forms 
for
election officials. Indeed, in Nevada where last week an ACORN 
office
was raided in an investigation headed by the Secretary of 
State, ACORN
was already cooperating with authorities.

    According to a statement from the group which has not been
disputed by state officials, in July, ACORN set up a meeting 
with
county elections officials and the Secretary of State's office 
to urge
them to take action on information ACORN had provided. Since 
then,
ACORN has provided officials with copies and - in some cases - 
second
copies of many of the personnel records and the 'problem card
packages' and cover sheets with which we originally identified 
the
problem cards.

    It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made

Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama

2008-10-20 Thread d.b.baker


Hedging against Obama:

[Q] - Huizenga wants to sell Ross another 45 percent of the
[Dolphins] team by Dec. 30, the source told The Palm Beach Post.
Huizenga is believed to be motivated by his belief that Barack Obama
will win the presidency and help implement tax policies that would
take a bigger chunk of Huizenga's revenues from a sale. -
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2008/10/19/1019_dolphins_sale.html

I'm surprised the Palm Beach Post would just come out and say it. Then
again, everyone's saying it.

Just keep voting, America.




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US Papers in Financial Trouble Are Leaving the A.P. to Cut Costs. Fox fiction writers to increase out put of fanatasy news to cover shortfall


US Papers in Financial Trouble Are Leaving the A.P. to Cut Costs
By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: October 19, 2008

For most of its 137-year history, The Columbus Dispatch has carried
articles and images from The Associated Press. Like most big American
newspapers, it supplements the work of its own staff with dozens of
items daily from The A.P.

That may end soon.

The Dispatch’s finances are severely pinched — the paper on Friday
took the once-unthinkable step of saying it would drop the service.

What had been a minor newspaper rebellion against The A.P. suddenly
grew much more serious last week, when the Tribune Company, one of the
largest newspaper chains, said on Thursday that it would drop out of
the association, followed by The Dispatch’s announcement. A handful of
papers have made the same move over the last few months, but with the
exception of The Star Tribune of Minneapolis, they were relatively
small.

Tribune, in disclosing the plan to sever its ties with The A.P.,
voiced no complaints about the service, saying only that it needed to
cut costs. The move raised the prospect of major Tribune papers like
The Los Angeles Times and The Chicago Tribune publishing without the
aid of a wire service that has been an essential part of American
journalism since the cooperative was established more than a century
and a half ago.

But editors and publishers at some other papers have become vocal
critics of the way The A.P. operates, saying that it charges more than
they can afford, delivers too little of what they need and —
particularly galling to them — is sometimes acting as their competitor
on the Internet.

“They seem to have forgotten that they are there to serve us,” said
Benjamin J. Marrison, editor of The Dispatch.
That anger spilled into public view in April at a meeting in
Washington when the president and chief executive of The A.P., Tom
Curley, discussed his plans to cut prices and add new services — and
then watched as editor after editor stood to scold him.

The A.P. says it is trying to save money for its more than 1,400
member newspapers, and all the changes under way will benefit them.
Kathleen Carroll, executive editor of The A.P., said the protests came
from a small number of papers and stem from “some element of
misunderstanding about what A.P. is trying to do” and frustration over
the papers’ finances.

“I don’t think any of us can ignore the economic circumstances
newspapers are in now,” Ms. Carroll said. “Being the editor of a
newspaper in the United States right now is really hard.”

Contractually, newspapers must give two years’ notice to drop the
service, so those that recently opted out have until 2010 to change
their minds. A.P. executives say they suspect that some papers are
using that notice as leverage to bargain for lower rates.

In addition to the papers that said they would leave the wire, others
are considering it, and still others have set up regional cooperatives
meant to supplant part of their relationship with The A.P. — a trial
run for life after the wire service.

Newspapers are going through their most wrenching time since the
Depression, with advertising revenue falling about 25 percent over the
last two years. But the balance sheet of The A.P., a nonprofit
company, is healthy; last year its profit rose 81 percent, to $24
million, on revenue of $710 million, according to a financial
statement issued to its members.

It remains to be seen whether defections become a major problem for
The A.P., the world’s largest news-gathering organization with more
than 3,000 journalists in about 100 countries. Without the rich diet
of articles, photographs, audio and video it feeds its clients, most
American newspapers would be much slimmer and their coverage less
expansive.

Newspapers banded together 162 years ago to create The Associated
Press. Only daily papers in the United States can be members, giving
them ownership and a vote in elections for the board. The company has
more than 5,000 other domestic clients — broadcasters, Web sites,
weekly papers and magazines — and roughly 8,500 abroad.

In addition to the news that A.P. reporters produce, the wire also
takes breaking news articles from its members and distributes them to
other clients.

For many members, The A.P. is one of their biggest expenses.

“We pay in excess of $1 million a year to The A.P., which is equal to
10 to 12 reporters in the newsroom,” said Nancy Barnes, editor of The
Star Tribune.

Several editors interviewed for this article said they could find
other sources for written material — wire services like Reuters or
Bloomberg News, or the news services sold by major newspaper
companies. But other A.P. products, especially photography, would be
harder to replace, they said.

Related

Advertising: Newspapers’ Web Revenue Is Stalling (October 13, 2008)

“We thought, ‘We have two years to try and figure this out,’ ” Ms.
Barnes said. Her paper is one of the industry’s most troubled; it
recently stopped

Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


Albert Einstein was the greatest mind of the 20th century; however,
his brilliant mind wasn't always recognized. He did poorly in school;
after college he nearly starved before finding a job. Then, he
published his first Theory of Relativity and won worldwide fame as a
scientist and a leader in the cause of World Peace.

I will let a man who towers above the political cretins and thugs of
the US and the world, a man of intergrity honour and supreme
intelligence to argue my case. There is no need to say more.


He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned
my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him
the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization
should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless
brutality, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of
patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble
war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an
action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is
nothing but an act of murder.

  --  Albert Einstein

We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is
to survive.
Why Socialism?

By Albert Einstein

Is it advisable for one who is not an expert on economic and social
issues to express views on the subject of socialism? I believe for a
number of reasons that it is.

Let us first consider the question from the point of view of
scientific knowledge. It might appear that there are no essential
methodological differences between astronomy and economics: scientists
in both fields attempt to discover laws of general acceptability for a
circumscribed group of phenomena in order to make the interconnection
of these phenomena as clearly understandable as possible. But in
reality such methodological differences do exist. The discovery of
general laws in the field of economics is made difficult by the
circumstance that observed economic phenomena are often affected by
many factors which are very hard to evaluate separately. In addition,
the experience which has accumulated since the beginning of the so-
called civilized period of human history has -- as is well known --
been largely influenced and limited by causes which are by no means
exclusively economic in nature. For example, most of the major states
of history owed their existence to conquest. The conquering peoples
established themselves, legally and economically, as the privileged
class of the conquered country. They seized for themselves a monopoly
of the land ownership and appointed a priesthood from among their own
ranks. The priests, in control of education, made the class division
of society into a permanent institution and created a system of values
by which the people were thenceforth, to a large extent unconsciously,
guided in their social behavior.

But historic tradition is, so to speak, of yesterday; nowhere have we
really overcome what Thorstein Veblen called the predatory phase of
human development. The observable economic facts belong to that phase
and even such laws as we can derive from them are not applicable to
other phases. Since the real purpose of socialism is precisely to
overcome and advance beyond the predatory phase of human development,
economic science in its present state can throw little light on the
socialist society of the future.

Second, socialism is directed toward a social-ethical end. Science,
however, cannot create ends and, even less, instill them in human
beings; science, at most, can supply the means by which to attain
certain ends. But the ends themselves are conceived by personalities
with lofty ethical ideals and -- if these ends are not stillborn, but
vital and vigorous -- are adopted and carried forward by those many
human beings who, half-unconsciously, determine the slow evolution of
society.

For these reasons, we should be on our guard not to overestimate
science and scientific methods when it is a question of human
problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who
have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the
organization of society.

Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human
society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been
gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that
individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small
or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let
me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an
intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in
my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I
remarked that only a supranational organization would offer protection
from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said
to me: Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the
human race?

I am sure that as little as a century ago no one would have so lightly
made a

4 years ago Kerry was 10 points ahead

2008-10-20 Thread Philobealo


Most of the Koolaid drinkers are too lazy to actually go out and vote.
That's why they are for a socialist candidate, they want the
government to take care of them. The responsible people will come out
and do the right thing.
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Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office for Three Years


hittin the koolaid a little early today eh creusa.  it is nobama's
lies and deceptions about his love affair with the terrorists.  the
same as his refusal to release his medical records, his birth
certificate, and his college records.  there is more he is hiding than
revealing.  why is that?

On Oct 20, 4:55 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Neither I nor anyone else knows what that relationship was. I strongly
 suspect that Obama is not told by ANYONE what to think and may well
 have worked with Rev. Wright on all sorts of community projects.
 It is quite clear that the parting of their ways happened very early
 on, as Wright began to open his big gob. 15 minutes of fame etc.
 creusa

 On Oct 20, 9:06 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  So is twenty years of being pastored by Rev. Wright.

  On Oct 20, 2:46 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   And while we are talking about terrorists, I think it is to Obama's
   credit that he hasn't mentioned the right-wing terorist who blew up
   the Oklahoma office building.
   Forty years ago is another place.
   creusa

   On Oct 20, 1:52 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is no one Obama's age that has never heard of Bernadine Dohrn,
formerly one of the FBIs ten most wanted. Her picture was in Time and
Life and all over the place. He'd have to be a retard to claim he
never heard of her.or Ayers for that matter.

On Oct 19, 8:11 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ever been in the living room of someone you didn't or barely knew and
 talk shop with a group knowing it may or may not result in pushing
 your personal/working agenda forward??

 Almost every ambitious person has. You and your ilk are truly grabbing
 at straws.

 But then your hero calls convicted criminals Great American hero.

 On 10/19/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Did you start your Political Career in their Living Room, and then 
  try
  to say they were just someone from the neighborhood?

  Why would he feel the need or choose to lie about his relationship
  with Ayers?

  By the way...

  You're not running for President are you?

  On Oct 19, 2:10 pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I've shared on office with people for 11 years but that doesn't 
   mean
   that I agree with them or even like them. So what?

   On Oct 19, 3:48 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Barack Obama is a protégé of the unrepentant anti-American 
terrorist
Bill Ayers, a fellow socialist who got off on a procedural
technicality after bombing numerous public buildings. Obama's
political career was launched in the home shared by Ayers and 
another
terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn, who made the FBI's 10 Most Wanted 
list.
Obama's dreadful wife knew Dohrn going all the way back to 
1988. Obama
and Ayers worked together for years on the Chicago Annenberg 
Challenge
and the Woods Fund, doling out $millions for left-wing causes. 
Yet
secure in the knowledge that the media will cover for its lies, 
the
Obama campaign has claimed that Ayers is just some guy from the
neighborhood whom BHO happens to know because their children go 
to
school together — never mind that their children aren't even in 
the
same generation.

Now we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually 
shared an
office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This is 
from the
website of Ayers's Small Schools Workshop, part of his campaign 
to
indoctrinate children in the ideology that led him to bomb the 
Capitol
and the Pentagon:

According to Obama's own website, Ayers is the founder and co-
director of the Small Schools Workshop.

What a coincidence: the probable next president of the USA just
happened to share an office with the unrepentant Maoist 
terrorist who
groomed him for power and launched his career, despite hardly 
knowing
the guy. This state of affairs persisted for three years. The 
offices
were even on the same floor,

Who is this Mike Klonsky who worked with Ayers on the Small 
Schools
project? Via Gateway Pundit:

Mike Klonsky, the Maoist Hardliner, Obama supporter and 
former
best friend of the Weatherman terrorist group founders William 
Ayers
and Bernadine Dohrn, received a $175,000 grant from the William 
Ayers/
Barack Obama-led Annenberg Challenge to run the Small Schools
Workshop.

Klonsky belonged to the Students for a Democratic Society 
(SDS)
and was best friends with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who 
later
became famous for their acts

Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is Black?  Do
you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting for BO
including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if race is
the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well ... it
isnt all about race!

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama
 appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-
 American with a chance to become president.

 Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
 wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
 endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal,
 white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
 with.

 As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
 Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
 wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence
 Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he
 also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
 secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's
 hear it for transformational figures.
 



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Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over
their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
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Re: Where's the political debate, I'm looking for it, but I can't seemed to fimd it anywhere?

2008-10-20 Thread MANOJ


Well..

Americans were already bored by hearing the  same not-so-well defined
policies of both the parties, on a daily basis just like a broken
gramophone record.
To extract some think new / fresh ideas from them - all the National
debate moderators failed.. until.. Joe the Plumber could get something
from Sen. Obama.

So that's the way it is. Something it is better to leave to 'time' or
future...

Do we expect 'god' to be President and fix all the issues with in
couple of hours ?

Thanks
MP


On Oct 17, 5:30 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here is something to get your teeth into, you know, economic reality,
 that's more important than anything else.

 Go to Bllomberg and learn something. Oh that's right, Joe the plumber
 is the new financial adviser for the US. Well he can hardly do worse
 can he?

 •U.S. Stocks Drop as Housing, Confidence Data Offset Buffett Advice to
 Buy

 •Consumer Confidence in U.S. Falls Most on Record; Housing Starts
 Decline

 •Lehman Is Subject of Three Grand Jury Probes After Largest-Ever
 Bankruptcy

 •AIG Told to Hand Over Cassano Pay Data, Documents to Congressional
 Panel

 The US corporate crooks and the administration are so screwed, they
 are all going to jail, the real American people have had it up to the
 eyeballs with these reprobates.

 Socialist America--just around the corner.
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Re: Uhm.....

2008-10-20 Thread Cold Water

I want to thank the Rays for beating Boston because I hate Boston (it's a 
socio-political thang.)

CW

- Original Message - 
From: Keith In Tampa 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: Uhm.


Big Big,  Really Really Big, Flags Up Tonight!!!

























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a total lack of accountability in Obama's Chicago Annenberg Foundation


said the then head of the Chicago Schools...  This is Obama's ONLY
executive experience and it is NOT a good track record...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202008/news/politics/f_for_baracks_school_fix_134391.htm

 Chicago's former schools chief has flunked the education foundation headed 
 by Barack Obama and founded by 1960s terrorist Bill Ayers - saying it 
 failed to monitor projects and funded school reform groups that 
 campaigned against boosting academic standards.

There was a total lack of accountability. If you went back and asked,
you'd be hard-pressed to find out how the money was spent, said Paul
Vallas, the city's school superintendent when Obama chaired the
Chicago Annenberg Foundation from 1995 to 1999.
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Wall Street's Woes Trickle Down to wider economy............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


Wall Street's Woes Trickle Down to wider economy as the
sunsets on the US Reich
By Amy Eagleburger, Philipp Schlaeger and Silvia Cernea

Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Nripata Ray, manager of Wall Street Caterers in
New York's financial district, says business hasn't been this bad
since the 2001 terrorist attacks.
``We are watching what's going to happen next and we can do nothing,''
said Ray, whose customers included Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., now
bankrupt, and American International Group Inc., which had to be
bailed out by the government. He may have to get rid of some of his 16
employees, Ray says.
The collateral damage from the worst financial crisis since the Great
Depression is spreading in New York, slashing business from caterers
to limo services to stationers.
``For those that had a strong share of their business coming from Wall
Street, they're going to be vulnerable to the contraction,'' said Doug
Turetsky, a spokesman for New York's Independent Budget Office, a city
government fiscal monitor.
The city may lose as many as 165,000 jobs in the private sector over
two years, including 35,000 in the financial industry, Comptroller
William Thompson said last week. The projected job losses were 80,000
more than Thompson's last budget report in July.
The securities industry accounts for 5 percent of jobs in the city and
23 percent of all compensation.
Resumes Soar, Offers Plunge
Headhunter John Warren, president of New York's A-List Associates
Inc., said the number of resumes he gets daily has tripled to 150, and
job offers have dropped 60 percent. About 90 percent of his customers
are from Wall Street, he said.
``It's a lot tougher,'' Warren said. ``People take anything right
now.''
Club Quarters, a New York membership hotel on William Street in the
financial district, had 20 to 30 rooms available in the past few
weeks, compared with the usual four it has around this time of year,
said Anisul Islam, a guest services manager.
``Some of our guests specifically called and said `I'm not going to
come because I lost my job,''' he said.
LimoRes.net, a Web site that books car services through a network of
7,000 limousine services worldwide, has seen a 50 percent surge in
cancellations, said Chief Executive Officer Alex Mashinsky. Business
in New York from financial services companies fell by more than 25
percent in the past few months, he said.
Buying as Needed
Clients in recent weeks have narrowed the hours in which cars can be
hired, Mashinsky said.
``Before things got worse, employees were allowed to take a car after
6 p.m.,'' he said. ``Now we see a trend to 8 p.m. or even 9 p.m.''
The falloff is especially noticeable at hedge funds and private equity
firms, he said. ``The only business customers that are still strong
are bankruptcy lawyers,'' Mashinsky said.
Businesses are buying as needed rather than planning a week or two in
advance, said Bob Novatt, vice president of Jason Office Products on
West 31st Street.
``Business is terrible,'' he said. ``They don't buy fine pens. They
buy the staple items they need to run their business.''
Matan Feldman, CEO of the financial training company Wall Street Prep,
says banks, hedge funds and private equity firms are signaling a
slowdown in their 2009 spending. He expects ``more aggressive
negotiations'' with clients, he said.
Linen for Silk
Cipriani, a New York catering and events company that gets about 15
percent of its business from banks, is finding that more people are
opting for linen tablecloths over the more-expensive silk ones, said
spokeswoman Stefania Girombelli.
Au Bon Pain, a Boston-based chain of cafes with Wall Street clients,
has trained its call center staff how to respond when customers ask
for ways to save money on catered food. Swapping soup for a more
expensive meal to maintain a ``hot-food environment'' is one of the
suggestions, said Randy Garden, vice president of catering.
Karla Heydorn, account manager at The Coffee Connection in Sewaren,
New Jersey, says her business may make it through the slump without
much pain.
While her customers, who include financial-services firms, are buying
fewer cups and napkins, they haven't given up their morning java, she
said.
``Coffee's like alcohol, she said. ``We're in a good business.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Amy Eagleburger in New York at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Philipp Schlaeger in New York at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Silvia Cernea in New York at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

2008-10-20 Thread WarpTen


It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
on gender, race or creed.

On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!

 Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
 woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
 acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
 etc?

 On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
   while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
   facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
   SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
   crisis, do comedy skits?  

  What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...

  If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
  problem or sickness...
  what would come first?

  Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
  first...and that ain't good.
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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

2008-10-20 Thread frankg


In terms of distractions, dealing with a life and death situation with
your spouse is not the same as raising children.

If raising children is too much of a distraction, then why isn't it a
problem for Obama?


On Oct 20, 11:07 am, WarpTen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not a matter of sexism but more so a situation of mental
 distraction.  Same point made during John Edwards run concerning the
 condition of his wife's cancer and the ability of a President to have
 full capacity in a time of serious consequence.  This is a time of
 serious consequence in the political arena and to disregard any
 shortcomings could be disastrous. I don't want a hockey mom running
 the country.  I want to know that, while I'm too busy working and
 taking care of my family to pay attention, there is someone in office
 I could feel confident in holding the reigns. There are so many more
 women in the country that have the fortitude and the good senses
 necessary to take action. Palin in fact is another example of how
 McCain is not making sensible decisions and is not the best person for
 the job. He really lost it somewhere.  The election of Obama will show
 the strides this country has made in overcoming ignorant bigotry that
 elevate the country above it's past.  Otherwise we are no better than
 that of any other country full of racist dictators and genocidal
 practice.  Our nation needs to end discrimination against people based
 on gender, race or creed.

 On Oct 20, 6:39 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Of all the sexist remarks, this one takes the first prize!!

  Now I have less than nil respect for Palin but to suggest that no
  woman can hold high office because of her children is just not
  acceptable in 2008. Have you not heard of nannies, husbands, family,
  etc?

  On Oct 20, 1:55 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   On Oct 19, 8:42 pm, WarpTen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

She didn't pull anything off other than watch the fun poked at her
while the audience laughed at the truth of her ineptness.  Instead of
facing the issues concerning Americans she is busy Clowning around on
SNL.  What the hell is going to do as a president of there is a major
crisis, do comedy skits?  

   What's a more concerning question would be about her young kids...

   If there was a major crisis and her young kids also had a major
   problem or sickness...
   what would come first?

   Rugged individualism dictates that you take care of your own
   first...and that ain't good.- Hide quoted text -

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Re: If Sarah Palin can pull off her appearance on SNL

2008-10-20 Thread studio


On Oct 20, 3:47 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Funny you didn't mention the Kennedy dynasty. The eldest son, Joe,
 Jr., was killed in WWII. Jack filled in.

OK, I'll mention them...no Kennedy's from the Kennedy dynasty
are running for President.
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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

2008-10-20 Thread studio


On Oct 20, 6:38 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 nothing from the libs

Nothing from the neo-cons either...because it's all BS.

 On Oct 19, 6:11 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Rush Limbaugh said...

That's why probably.

Stay away from the Limbaugh cheese, it'll make your breath stink.

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Re: Glitches fill Ohio voter rolls

If i addes an S. to my street's name I would be in the middle of the
Arkansas River.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 In Hamilton County, 17 people are registered to vote from riverfront
 addresses south of Mehring Way - places with street numbers that would
 put their homes somewhere in the Ohio River.

 Another 46 voters are registered at addresses that would put their
 homes in the middle of the Paul Brown Stadium parking lot, or at the
 riverfront project known as The Banks - which hasn't been built.

 An Enquirer analysis of more than 8 million Ohio voter registration
 records found a litany of quirks, inconsistencies, errors, duplicate
 registrations and other problems with little more than two weeks until
 Election Day.

 Thousands of voters appear on registration lists twice - some as many
 as six times. At least 589 registered voters - mostly in Franklin and
 Cuyahoga counties - were born in 1991 or later, which puts them under
 the legal voting age.

 Voters are registered at post office boxes, office buildings with no
 residences, police stations and even park benches.

 Examples of suspect documents include multiple registration forms
 submitted in the same handwriting for different people. Or multiple
 forms for the same voter, with different Social Security numbers or
 dates of birth.

 Some names appear to be taken from the phone book - even with
 abbreviations like Wm for William or Robt for Robert. Goldsmith
 said many of those have been referred to the Secretary of State and
 the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office for investigation.

 Voter registration forms don't always identify how someone was
 registered, but a group frequently identified as a source of bad
 registrations is the Association of Community Organizations for Reform
 Now, or ACORN. According to the Associated Press, the FBI is
 investigating the group in several states for alleged voter
 registration fraud.

 http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081019/NEWS0106/810190380/1056/COL02
 



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News of the Weird, October 19, 2008

From:  Travis

From: Chuck Shepherd
Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2008
Subject: News of the Weird, October 19, 2008

WEIRDNUZ.M080 (News of the Weird, October 19, 2008)
by Chuck Shepherd

Copyright 2008 by Chuck Shepherd.  All rights reserved.

Lead Story

* Developing Democracies:  Candidates for local office in Brazil
can either register under their own names or make them up, and in
the October election this year, three candidates chose Barack
Obama (none won), and others registered under Bill Clinton,
Jorge Bushi, and Chico Bin Laden, but more than 200 offered
themselves under the name of the country's popular president, Luiz
Inacio Lula da Silva.  And in July, when the government of India
tried to push its historic nuclear pact with the United States through
the parliament, it found six more votes among elected members
who were serving prison sentences, and ordered them released so
they could vote for the bill.   (Nearly one-fourth of the 540-member
parliament have criminal charges pending against them.) [Daily
Telegraph (London), 10-1-08] [Agence France-Press, 7-22-08]

News That Sounds Like a Joke

* (1) Britain's Bristol City Council warned residents in government
housing in September to always leave their sheds unlocked.
Otherwise, thieves would have to break the doors down to get
inside, and taxpayers would be stuck with the repair bills. (2)
Atlanta, Ga., Pentecostal preacher Thomas Meeks told the Journal-
Constitution in October that he was in talks to create a Survivor-
type TV reality show in which the twice-divorced evangelist
navigates a field of single women and selects a winner.  Holy
Hook Up:  Who Will Be the Next Mrs. Weeks? will, he said, be a
very tasteful, five-star presentation. [Daily Telegraph (London),
9-30-08] [Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10-7-08]

Great Art!

* Chilean-Danish artist Marco Evaristti is working with
condemned Texas inmate Gene Hathorn, 47 (convicted killer of
three in 1985), on an anti-capital-punishment exhibit to be staged
after Hathorn's execution.  The murderer's body would be frozen,
then made into flakes that museum visitors could feed to goldfish.
Evaristti is most noted for his 2000 exhibit in which he placed live
goldfish in several electric blenders and invited museum-goers to
turn them on. [Newsweek, 9-27-08]

* An unfortunate burst of wind disrupted an outside art installation
at the Paul Klee center in Berne, Switzerland, in August, ripping an
inflatable exhibit from its moorings and carrying it away.  The
exhibit, by American Paul McCarthy, was a sculpture entitled
Complex Shit, and the inflatable item was supposed to be a dog
dropping the size of a house.  Explained the Klee center's website
(challengingly), the show features interweaving, diverse, not to
say conflictive emphases and a broad spectrum of items to form a
dynamic exchange of parallel and self-eclipsing spatial and
temporal zones.  (Or, wrote London's Daily Telegraph in broken
French, it is what happens when la merde hits le ventilateur.)
[Daily Telegraph (London), 8-12-08]

* Sculptor Marc Quinn unveiled Siren in October at the British
Museum, feting the model Kate Moss, who posed for him, though
not quite in the position Quinn ultimately created.  Siren is life-
size, in 18k gold (that cost Quinn around $2 million), and treats the
gaudiness of the so-called supermodel.  As such, Moss is posed
seated, holding her legs behind her head.  (Some, but not all, news
outlets chose to show Siren modestly, from the side rather than
the front.) [The Independent (London), 10-3-08]

Government in Action

* Things Government Does When It's Not Bailing Out the
Economy:  (1) The municipal transit company in Austin, Tex.,
unveiled a rider-education campaign in August, giving step by step
instructions in how to stand up on buses without falling over.
When the bus is accelerating, lean forward and put your weight on
your front foot.  (The introductory frame on the poster features a
harried rider exclaiming, Help!  I'll never figure it out!)  (2) A
British government-funded poster campaign, also introduced in
August, aims to encourage those waiting for municipal buses to do
Pilates-type movements to improve physical fitness.  Among the
suggestions:  standing on one leg, pointing the toes forward,
clenching the buttocks. [American-Statesman, 8-18-08] [Daily
Mail (London), 8-17-08]

* Most workers who have retired in the last few years from New
York's Long Island Rail Road have also qualified for disability
payments (though most did not claim such disabilities while
working), according to a September New York Times investigation
of state records.  Lax union work rules, plus the astonishingly co-
operative Railroad Retirement Board (which virtually never
rejects a disability application), have resulted in nearly every
worker's drawing about as much money in retirement as he made
on the job.  In October, the Times also discovered that many of the
same retirees were apparently so confident that their disability

Re: Palin's Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain's VP Pick


She should be called Sarah Parrot.
Squawk...flap flap...oh THERE'S my tree!!! Wh!!!
Now what was it that someone told me to say?
Oh yes...pretty Palin, pretty Palin. We love you America!!
Squawk!!

creusa


On Oct 20, 12:34 pm, [ the last  patriotic Republican  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Palin's Plunge: Voters Sour on McCain's VP 
 Pickhttp://www.alternet.org/election08/103645/
  Her favorability numbers are dropping like a rock. The more voters
 learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become. Once the focus of
 post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska Governor is now viewed
 as a serious liability to the McCain campaign.

 As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding
 economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched
 from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times
 survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey.

 Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor
 and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain
 58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the
 endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The
 Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented
 that out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain
 picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved
 grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain,
 at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than
 any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate,
 insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the
 presidency. The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as
 unqualified.

 Brookings Senior Fellow Thomas Mann told the Huffington Post that
 initially, Palin both built conservative enthusiasm for McCain and
 drew widespread interest among voters who had not been closely
 following the race. But those benefits soon evanesced:

 Within weeks, she became a liability, primarily as a highly visible
 indicator of McCain's impulsiveness and recklessness in picking
 someone who is patently unqualified to serve as president and
 commander-in-chief. McCain's only chance of making this election
 competitive was to contrast his readiness to serve with Obama's
 inexperience and naivet. The Palin choice was the first clear sign
 (others followed) that McCain could not win that comparison.

 Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, agrees about
 the immediate gains, noting that the short term boost dissipated
 awfully quickly. Palin's clear lack of capability to serve as VP, much
 less as president, her lack of knowledge of even basics about most
 areas of policy, her ethical problems in Alaska over Troopergate, and
 the campaign decision to cloister her from serious scrutiny, all
 caused a drop in her own approval, but also reflected on McCain's
 decision-making style. Palin continues to generate enthusiasm from
 hard-core Republicans who would not be as charged-up if the running
 mate were, say, a [Mitt] Romney or [Tim] Pawlenty, Ornstein says,
 but the downside is definitely greater than the gain.

 Palin's analysis of the current economic crisis has not won over most
 voters seeking a serious appraisal of the situation accompanied by
 well-thought out proposals. In a highly sympathetic interview with
 Sean Hannity on Fox News, the verbatim exchange on the economy went as
 follows:

 PALIN: Certainly it is a mess though, the economy is a mess. And
 there have been abuses on Wall Street and that adversely affects Main
 Street.

 And it's that commitment that John McCain is articulating today,
 getting in there, reforming the way that Wall Street has been allowed
 to work, stopping the abuses and that violation of the public trust
 that too many CEOs and top management of some of these companies, that
 abuse there has got to stop.

 It is, somebody was saying this morning, a toxic waste there on Wall
 Street, affecting Main Street. And we've got to cure this.

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Obama Plan: Drivers Licenses For Illegals

2008-10-20 Thread Keith In Tampa

 Interesting video:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo

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Kool-aid drinkers show true colors

2008-10-20 Thread Philobealo


http://www.wikio.com/video/509429
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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama

2008-10-20 Thread Maax Well


That is a Great example, do you know what the tax rate was in 1955-60?
Do you have any idea what was required of a business to operate in
this country then compared to today?  When Obama goes to McDonald's
and says I need another 10%, does McDonald's just print another 10%
from their money printer or do they just raise the price of burgers.
Everyone gets the luxury of paying Obama's new taxes.  If you think
otherwise you must be a moron.

On Oct 20, 4:04 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You people are fucking morons. America was at its height when wealth
 distrubution was at its most equal, 1950--1965 and at its worst when
 it was at its most unequal--NOW and in 1929. Imbecilic Neanderthals.

 On Oct 20, 8:42 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 http://www.gallup.com/poll/108445/Americans-Oppose-Income-Redistribut...- 
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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


You may be the dumbest person on these forums.

On Oct 20, 11:28 am, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 20, 6:38 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  nothing from the libs

 Nothing from the neo-cons either...because it's all BS.

  On Oct 19, 6:11 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Rush Limbaugh said...

 That's why probably.

 Stay away from the Limbaugh cheese, it'll make your breath stink.
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Here's A Shocker: Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration

2008-10-20 Thread Keith In Tampa

Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration Monday, October 20, 2008
8:30 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Powell_obama_advisor/2008/10/20/142079.html?s=alpromo_code=6D92-1

Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama
administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

He will have a role as one of my advisers, Barack Obama said on NBC's
Today in an interview aired Monday, a day after Powell, a four-star
general and President Bush's former secretary of state, endorsed him.

Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him,
is something we'd have to discuss, Obama said.

Being a top presidential adviser, especially on foreign policy, would be
familiar ground to Powell on a subject that's relatively new to the freshman
Illinois senator. Obama has struggled to establish his foreign policy
credentials against GOP candidate John McCain, a decorated military veteran,
former prisoner of war and ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services
Committee.

In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads up heads-up
before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic presidential
candidate on the network's Meet the Press a day earlier.

In that interview, Powell called Obama a transformational figure in the
nation's history and expressed disappointment in some of McCain's campaign
tactics. But, Powell said, he didn't plan to hit the campaign trail with
Obama before the Nov. 4 election.

I won't lie to you, I would love to have him at any stop, Obama said with
a grin Monday. Obviously, if he wants to show up he's got an open
invitation.

Powell's endorsement came just hours after Obama's campaign disclosed that
it raised $150 million in September _ obliterating the old record of $66
million it had set only one month earlier.

He expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, his
choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate and their decision to
focus in the closing weeks of the contest on Obama's ties to 1960s-era
radical William Ayers, saying it goes too far.

At a boisterous rally Sunday, Obama said McCain was out of ideas and almost
out of time.

He and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a
brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans
during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire
or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.

Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early
voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New
Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes
combined, and Bush won all in 2004.

Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought
statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five
electoral votes into serious contention.

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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.

On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is Black?  Do
 you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
 politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting for BO
 including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if race is
 the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well ... it
 isnt all about race!





 On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama
  appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-
  American with a chance to become president.

  Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
  wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
  endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal,
  white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
  with.

  As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
  Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
  wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence
  Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he
  also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
  secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's
  hear it for transformational figures.

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Re: Here's A Shocker: Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration


Obviously, if he wants to show up he's got an open
invitation.

I think he's just after his jump shot.

On Oct 20, 1:05 pm, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration Monday, October 20, 2008
 8:30 AM

 http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Powell_obama_advisor/2008/10/20/14...

 Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama
 administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

 He will have a role as one of my advisers, Barack Obama said on NBC's
 Today in an interview aired Monday, a day after Powell, a four-star
 general and President Bush's former secretary of state, endorsed him.

 Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him,
 is something we'd have to discuss, Obama said.

 Being a top presidential adviser, especially on foreign policy, would be
 familiar ground to Powell on a subject that's relatively new to the freshman
 Illinois senator. Obama has struggled to establish his foreign policy
 credentials against GOP candidate John McCain, a decorated military veteran,
 former prisoner of war and ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services
 Committee.

 In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads up heads-up
 before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic presidential
 candidate on the network's Meet the Press a day earlier.

 In that interview, Powell called Obama a transformational figure in the
 nation's history and expressed disappointment in some of McCain's campaign
 tactics. But, Powell said, he didn't plan to hit the campaign trail with
 Obama before the Nov. 4 election.

 I won't lie to you, I would love to have him at any stop, Obama said with
 a grin Monday. Obviously, if he wants to show up he's got an open
 invitation.

 Powell's endorsement came just hours after Obama's campaign disclosed that
 it raised $150 million in September _ obliterating the old record of $66
 million it had set only one month earlier.

 He expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, his
 choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate and their decision to
 focus in the closing weeks of the contest on Obama's ties to 1960s-era
 radical William Ayers, saying it goes too far.

 At a boisterous rally Sunday, Obama said McCain was out of ideas and almost
 out of time.

 He and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a
 brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans
 during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire
 or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.

 Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early
 voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New
 Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes
 combined, and Bush won all in 2004.

 Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought
 statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five
 electoral votes into serious contention.

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The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources

2008-10-20 Thread Keith In Tampa

   Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign
Sources?

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html?s=alpromo_code=6D84-1


   Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:28 PM

*By:* Kenneth R. Timmerman

{Q} A canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome anomalies,
including outright violations of federal election laws. For example, Obama
has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal
election limit.

Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign to
refund the excess amounts to them. And more than 37,000 Obama donations
appear to be conversions of foreign currency.

According to an analysis of the Obama campaign data before the latest
figures were released, potential foreign currency donations could range as
high as a stunning $63 million in all. With the addition of $150 million
raised in September, this amount could be much more. 

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Once again Obama and his campaign replaces lies with truth

The fact is Obama DID launch his political carrier in the living room
of Bill Ayers... Now the Lefty mantra is it is a lie, lie, lie...
Yet the evidence still remains... This continual try to rewrite
history is troublesome and dangerous -- in the USSR it was was called
revisionism... Why is it Obama can not be honest with the American
people...

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-fight-smears-website-caught-in.html

http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/20/evidence-of-obama-ayers-tie-sent-down-the-memory-hole-almost/

The best evidence that Barack Obama launched his political career from Bill
Ayers’s living room has disappeared . . . down the memory hole.

Well, not quite. The Wayback Machine and I have both saved copies.

On Thursday, the L.A. Times claimed that there is “no recorded basis”
for John McCain’s statement that Obama launched his political career
in Bill Ayers’s living room. That same day, I wrote a post that proved
them wrong. I linked a January 27, 2005 blog post by Maria Warren, a
political liberal who attended the function. In that post, she said:

When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous
little talk in the livingroom of those two legends-in-their-own-minds,
Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him–introducing
him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.

I originally read about this post at a Politico piece about the Ayers-
Obama relationship in February 2008. That post identified the name of
the blog, and Maria Warren as the author. But Politico did not link
Warren’s post; I found it and linked it based on the evidence provided
by Politico. Yesterday I sent the link to the L.A. Times as part of a
request for a correction of the error in their editorial.

As far as I know, I was the first blogger to directly link Warren’s
blog entry — and I did so last Thursday.

Now it’s Monday, and this blog entry — which had been around since
January 27, 2005 — is suddenly gone. (H/t Jim Treacher.)

I thought there wasn’t anything to the Obama-Ayers relationship. I
guess somebody thinks different — and is taking pains to delete the
evidence.

Well, you’re going to have to do better than this. Turns out the
Wayback Machine still has a copy. You’re going to have to scrub that,
too.

Oh — and then you’re going to have to crash my site and come get my
laptop. Because it turns out that I saved a screenshot:
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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist

What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) — She's only 12 years old
 but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year.

 That's because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School
 was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-
 shirt.

 Jones is volunteering at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna
 Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers. But
 when she wore it to school she learned just how tough politics can be.

 Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,
 she said. I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that's
 not true. It's my freedom of speech, it's my opinion. -

 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=C393FA07F5B66CA03C21B95E55E6EF60?contentId=7664724version=6locale=EN-USlayoutCode=TSTYpageId=3.14.1sflg=1


 



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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the majority of
Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support whomever would
have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the primaries
... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do with
what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
 25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
 for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
 how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
 differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.

 On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is Black?
  Do
  you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
  politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting for BO
  including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if race
 is
  the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well ...
 it
  isnt all about race!
 
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama
   appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-
   American with a chance to become president.
 
   Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
   wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
   endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal,
   white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
   with.
 
   As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
   Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
   wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence
   Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he
   also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
   secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's
   hear it for transformational figures.
 
  --
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  their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


On Oct 20, 4:00 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bull fucking shit


Such a cogent and well thought out response requires me to reconsider
my position...

Not.

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Re: Gallup: 84% 0f Americans Oppose Income Redistribution, the rest support Obama


Frank has proven, time and again, his inability to reconcile his
position with facts...


On Oct 20, 8:53 am, Maax Well [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That is a Great example, do you know what the tax rate was in 1955-60?
 Do you have any idea what was required of a business to operate in
 this country then compared to today?  When Obama goes to McDonald's
 and says I need another 10%, does McDonald's just print another 10%
 from their money printer or do they just raise the price of burgers.
 Everyone gets the luxury of paying Obama's new taxes.  If you think
 otherwise you must be a moron.

 On Oct 20, 4:04 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  You people are fucking morons. America was at its height when wealth
  distrubution was at its most equal, 1950--1965 and at its worst when
  it was at its most unequal--NOW and in 1929. Imbecilic Neanderthals.

  On Oct 20, 8:42 am, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office for Three Years


And I shouldn't talk to ignorant Fools, but here I am talking to you
Loony Liberals...


On Oct 20, 4:33 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't talk to racists. They tend to be unable to think objectively
 and I don't want to allow them the opportunity of spewing their
 bigotry all over the www. You can't have an intelligent conversation
 with them. Hence they support McCain who bigs them up to get their
 votes, then taxes them to keep them in their place.
 BTW we don't have that revolting stuff called Kool-aid here.
 creusa

 On Oct 20, 12:02 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  hittin the koolaid a little early today eh creusa.  it is nobama's
  lies and deceptions about his love affair with the terrorists.  the
  same as his refusal to release his medical records, his birth
  certificate, and his college records.  there is more he is hiding than
  revealing.  why is that?

  On Oct 20, 4:55 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Neither I nor anyone else knows what that relationship was. I strongly
   suspect that Obama is not told by ANYONE what to think and may well
   have worked with Rev. Wright on all sorts of community projects.
   It is quite clear that the parting of their ways happened very early
   on, as Wright began to open his big gob. 15 minutes of fame etc.
   creusa

   On Oct 20, 9:06 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So is twenty years of being pastored by Rev. Wright.

On Oct 20, 2:46 am, creusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And while we are talking about terrorists, I think it is to Obama's
 credit that he hasn't mentioned the right-wing terorist who blew up
 the Oklahoma office building.
 Forty years ago is another place.
 creusa

 On Oct 20, 1:52 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is no one Obama's age that has never heard of Bernadine Dohrn,
  formerly one of the FBIs ten most wanted. Her picture was in Time 
  and
  Life and all over the place. He'd have to be a retard to claim he
  never heard of her.or Ayers for that matter.

  On Oct 19, 8:11 pm, Mark Kahle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Ever been in the living room of someone you didn't or barely knew 
   and
   talk shop with a group knowing it may or may not result in 
   pushing
   your personal/working agenda forward??

   Almost every ambitious person has. You and your ilk are truly 
   grabbing
   at straws.

   But then your hero calls convicted criminals Great American 
   hero.

   On 10/19/08, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Did you start your Political Career in their Living Room, and 
then try
to say they were just someone from the neighborhood?

Why would he feel the need or choose to lie about his 
relationship
with Ayers?

By the way...

You're not running for President are you?

On Oct 19, 2:10 pm, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've shared on office with people for 11 years but that 
 doesn't mean
 that I agree with them or even like them. So what?

 On Oct 19, 3:48 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Barack Obama is a protégé of the unrepentant anti-American 
  terrorist
  Bill Ayers, a fellow socialist who got off on a procedural
  technicality after bombing numerous public buildings. 
  Obama's
  political career was launched in the home shared by Ayers 
  and another
  terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn, who made the FBI's 10 Most 
  Wanted list.
  Obama's dreadful wife knew Dohrn going all the way back to 
  1988. Obama
  and Ayers worked together for years on the Chicago 
  Annenberg Challenge
  and the Woods Fund, doling out $millions for left-wing 
  causes. Yet
  secure in the knowledge that the media will cover for its 
  lies, the
  Obama campaign has claimed that Ayers is just some guy from 
  the
  neighborhood whom BHO happens to know because their 
  children go to
  school together — never mind that their children aren't 
  even in the
  same generation.

  Now we learn from Verum Serum that Obama and Ayers actually 
  shared an
  office address at 115 S. Sangamon Street in Chicago. This 
  is from the
  website of Ayers's Small Schools Workshop, part of his 
  campaign to
  indoctrinate children in the ideology that led him to bomb 
  the Capitol
  and the Pentagon:

  According to Obama's own website, Ayers is the founder and 
  co-
  director of the Small Schools Workshop.

  What a coincidence: the probable next president of the USA 
  just
  happened to share an office with the unrepentant Maoist 
  terrorist who
  groomed him for power and launched

Re: Which party is responsible?... THAT ONE!


On Oct 19, 7:40 pm, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Again, tell me where the Government garners the Right to Legislate
 such things?

 You understand the Constitution was written to define the things the
 Government could do, right?



H...

No answer.

Imagine that.

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Re: A Dose of Reality on the ACORN Hysteria


On Oct 20, 7:13 am, Kamakazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yep.  Kinda like public financing of campaigns to level the playing
 field.  A good idea, agreed to by both, followed by only one.


Well, they BOTH SAID they would...

But only one followed through with his word.

Should give us an idea about all the other things the one that Lied is
telling us now, shouldn't it?

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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


What about Obama's OWN results in the Primaries?

You understand that he Polled well above the actual Votes he recieved,
right?

Bradley affect or not, it happened, and I see none of the Liberals
here address it.

Anyone wonder why?


On Oct 20, 11:15 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the majority of
 Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support whomever would
 have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the primaries
 ... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do with
 what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...





 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
  25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
  for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
  how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
  differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.

  On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is Black?
   Do
   you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
   politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting for BO
   including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if race
  is
   the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well ...
  it
   isnt all about race!

   On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama
appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-
American with a chance to become president.

Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal,
white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
with.

As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence
Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he
also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's
hear it for transformational figures.

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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist


On Oct 20, 10:56 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?


Any that have been prompted by their Parents...

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Re: The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources


It seems Obama doesn't have to follow the Law here in the U.S

When he is Elected, he will simply do away with the one's he doesn't
like.

For himself anyway.



On Oct 20, 11:16 am, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
    Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign
 Sources?

 http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/1...

    Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:28 PM

 *By:* Kenneth R. Timmerman

 {Q} A canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome anomalies,
 including outright violations of federal election laws. For example, Obama
 has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal
 election limit.

 Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign to
 refund the excess amounts to them. And more than 37,000 Obama donations
 appear to be conversions of foreign currency.

 According to an analysis of the Obama campaign data before the latest
 figures were released, potential foreign currency donations could range as
 high as a stunning $63 million in all. With the addition of $150 million
 raised in September, this amount could be much more. 
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Re: Here's A Shocker: Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration


Quid pro quo


On Oct 20, 11:05 am, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration Monday, October 20, 2008
 8:30 AM

 http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Powell_obama_advisor/2008/10/20/14...

 Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama
 administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

 He will have a role as one of my advisers, Barack Obama said on NBC's
 Today in an interview aired Monday, a day after Powell, a four-star
 general and President Bush's former secretary of state, endorsed him.

 Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him,
 is something we'd have to discuss, Obama said.

 Being a top presidential adviser, especially on foreign policy, would be
 familiar ground to Powell on a subject that's relatively new to the freshman
 Illinois senator. Obama has struggled to establish his foreign policy
 credentials against GOP candidate John McCain, a decorated military veteran,
 former prisoner of war and ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services
 Committee.

 In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads up heads-up
 before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic presidential
 candidate on the network's Meet the Press a day earlier.

 In that interview, Powell called Obama a transformational figure in the
 nation's history and expressed disappointment in some of McCain's campaign
 tactics. But, Powell said, he didn't plan to hit the campaign trail with
 Obama before the Nov. 4 election.

 I won't lie to you, I would love to have him at any stop, Obama said with
 a grin Monday. Obviously, if he wants to show up he's got an open
 invitation.

 Powell's endorsement came just hours after Obama's campaign disclosed that
 it raised $150 million in September _ obliterating the old record of $66
 million it had set only one month earlier.

 He expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, his
 choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate and their decision to
 focus in the closing weeks of the contest on Obama's ties to 1960s-era
 radical William Ayers, saying it goes too far.

 At a boisterous rally Sunday, Obama said McCain was out of ideas and almost
 out of time.

 He and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a
 brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans
 during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire
 or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.

 Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early
 voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New
 Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes
 combined, and Bush won all in 2004.

 Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought
 statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five
 electoral votes into serious contention.

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Re: Once again Obama and his campaign replaces lies with truth


Seems Obama has no problem Lying about his past, he can't even seem to
prove he is a U.S. Citizen.

And then he calls other's a Liar when they try to get him to address
it.

Imagine that.



On Oct 20, 11:08 am, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The fact is Obama DID launch his political carrier in the living room
 of Bill Ayers...  Now the Lefty mantra is it is a lie, lie, lie...
 Yet the evidence still remains...  This continual try to rewrite
 history is troublesome and dangerous --  in the USSR it was was called
 revisionism...   Why is it Obama can not be honest with the American
 people...

 http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-fight-smears-website...

 http://www.patterico.com/2008/10/20/evidence-of-obama-ayers-tie-sent-...

  The best evidence that Barack Obama launched his political career from 
  Bill Ayers’s living room has disappeared . . . down the memory hole.

 Well, not quite. The Wayback Machine and I have both saved copies.

 On Thursday, the L.A. Times claimed that there is “no recorded basis”
 for John McCain’s statement that Obama launched his political career
 in Bill Ayers’s living room. That same day, I wrote a post that proved
 them wrong. I linked a January 27, 2005 blog post by Maria Warren, a
 political liberal who attended the function. In that post, she said:

     When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous
 little talk in the livingroom of those two legends-in-their-own-minds,
 Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him–introducing
 him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.

 I originally read about this post at a Politico piece about the Ayers-
 Obama relationship in February 2008. That post identified the name of
 the blog, and Maria Warren as the author. But Politico did not link
 Warren’s post; I found it and linked it based on the evidence provided
 by Politico. Yesterday I sent the link to the L.A. Times as part of a
 request for a correction of the error in their editorial.

 As far as I know, I was the first blogger to directly link Warren’s
 blog entry — and I did so last Thursday.

 Now it’s Monday, and this blog entry — which had been around since
 January 27, 2005 — is suddenly gone. (H/t Jim Treacher.)

 I thought there wasn’t anything to the Obama-Ayers relationship. I
 guess somebody thinks different — and is taking pains to delete the
 evidence.

 Well, you’re going to have to do better than this. Turns out the
 Wayback Machine still has a copy. You’re going to have to scrub that,
 too.

 Oh — and then you’re going to have to crash my site and come get my
 laptop. Because it turns out that I saved a screenshot:
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Re: Colin Poweel OR Joe The Plumber


Joe the Plumber...

By far.


On Oct 20, 11:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Who do you think had the most influence on the presidential campaign
 this last week?

 Colin Powell?

 OR

 Joe The Plumber?
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Re: The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/in-digging-deep.html

Osama Edwananother brother form Gaza-2-donations-Both dated
11-10-2007 here and here

Not only did Obama not report this jihad cash to the FEC, despite what
they've claimed, the Pali brothers have not received their jihad
cash back.

In digging deeper into the illegal foreign campaign contributions from
Palestinians, Cathy came across these FEC letters. Obama knew these
contributions were illegal and Palestinian. He didn't report them.
He took a page from his days as a commnity organizer for the most
corrupt political machine in America. It's what they do.

Bringing the worst in American politics to the national level.

It seems the FEC actually did their job. But the chosen One-bama is
special and above the law... he is a citizen of the world.




On Oct 20, 11:55 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you serious - this is from Newsmax ... you should take everything they
 print with a grain of salt...





 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It seems Obama doesn't have to follow the Law here in the U.S

  When he is Elected, he will simply do away with the one's he doesn't
  like.

  For himself anyway.

  On Oct 20, 11:16 am, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
      Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign
   Sources?

  http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/1...

      Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:28 PM

   *By:* Kenneth R. Timmerman

   {Q} A canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome
  anomalies,
   including outright violations of federal election laws. For example,
  Obama
   has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal
   election limit.

   Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign to
   refund the excess amounts to them. And more than 37,000 Obama donations
   appear to be conversions of foreign currency.

   According to an analysis of the Obama campaign data before the latest
   figures were released, potential foreign currency donations could range
  as
   high as a stunning $63 million in all. With the addition of $150 million
   raised in September, this amount could be much more. 

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Effective Interactions With African-American Males

From: Travis
Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2008
Subject: Effective Interactions With African-American Males




http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2008/10/20/effective_interactions_with_african-american_males



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Colin Poweel OR Joe The Plumber

2008-10-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Who do you think had the most influence on the presidential campaign
this last week?

Colin Powell?

OR

Joe The Plumber?
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Re: Here's A Shocker: Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration

He'll make a good JNICON.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

Obama: Powell Will Have Role In My Administration Monday, October 20,
2008 8:30 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Powell_obama_advisor/2008/10/20/142079.html?s=alpromo_code=6D92-1

Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama
administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him,
is something we'd have to discuss, Obama said.

In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads up
heads-up before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic
presidential candidate on the network's Meet the Press a day earlier.

I won't lie to you, I would love to have him at any stop, Obama said with
a grin Monday. Obviously, if he wants to show up he's got an open
invitation.

Powell's endorsement came just hours after Obama's campaign disclosed that
it raised $150 million in September _ obliterating the old record of $66
million it had set only one month earlier.

At a boisterous rally Sunday, Obama said McCain was out of ideas and
almost out of time.

Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought
statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five
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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


Try looking at Obama's OWN results from the Primaries, and you will
see he Polls well above the actual Votes he gets.

We ALREADY have the empirical data on Obama, you just choose to not
address it.


On Oct 20, 11:54 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I never denied that the Bradley effect exists - u just connected to a thread
 that had nothing to do with it.  What is there to address?  It happens - and
 it wont change thats why Obama has built up a massive ground game to counter
 the Bradley effect if there is to be one ... it has never been studied on a
 national stage, only in state and local races.





 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What about Obama's OWN results in the Primaries?

  You understand that he Polled well above the actual Votes he recieved,
  right?

  Bradley affect or not, it happened, and I see none of the Liberals
  here address it.

  Anyone wonder why?

  On Oct 20, 11:15 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the majority
  of
   Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support whomever
  would
   have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the
  primaries
   ... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do with
   what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...

    On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.

On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is
  Black?
 Do
 you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
 politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting
  for BO
 including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if
  race
is
 the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well
  ...
it
 isnt all about race!

 On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack
  Obama
  appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first
  African-
  American with a chance to become president.

  Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
  wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
  endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very
  liberal,
  white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
  with.

  As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
  Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
  wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts,
  Clarence
  Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess
  he
  also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
  secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes,
  let's
  hear it for transformational figures.

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  over
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   - Show quoted text -

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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

I never denied that the Bradley effect exists - u just connected to a thread
that had nothing to do with it.  What is there to address?  It happens - and
it wont change thats why Obama has built up a massive ground game to counter
the Bradley effect if there is to be one ... it has never been studied on a
national stage, only in state and local races.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 What about Obama's OWN results in the Primaries?

 You understand that he Polled well above the actual Votes he recieved,
 right?

 Bradley affect or not, it happened, and I see none of the Liberals
 here address it.

 Anyone wonder why?


 On Oct 20, 11:15 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the majority
 of
  Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support whomever
 would
  have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the
 primaries
  ... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do with
  what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...
 
 
 
 
 
   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
   25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
   for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
   how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
   differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.
 
   On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is
 Black?
Do
you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting
 for BO
including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if
 race
   is
the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well
 ...
   it
isnt all about race!
 
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
 
 Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack
 Obama
 appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first
 African-
 American with a chance to become president.
 
 Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
 wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
 endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very
 liberal,
 white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
 with.
 
 As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
 Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
 wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts,
 Clarence
 Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess
 he
 also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
 secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes,
 let's
 hear it for transformational figures.
 
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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist


Are you denying many kids learn such behavior from the Parents?


On Oct 20, 11:54 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Right...

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Oct 20, 10:56 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?

  Any that have been prompted by their Parents...

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Re: 4 years ago Kerry was 10 points ahead


Let's not confuse the Loony Liberals with facts...

They have a tough enough time with their made up shit.


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 Most of the Koolaid drinkers are too lazy to actually go out and vote.
 That's why they are for a socialist candidate, they want the
 government to take care of them. The responsible people will come out
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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist

Right...

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Oct 20, 10:56 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?


 Any that have been prompted by their Parents...

 



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Date: 2008/10/20
Subject: new-air-powered-car-looks-weird



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Re: 4 years ago Kerry was 10 points ahead


ACORN will go out and vote for them.

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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist


Whats wrong with Caucasian?

On Oct 20, 1:56 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?





 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) — She's only 12 years old
  but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year.

  That's because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School
  was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-
  shirt.

  Jones is volunteering at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna
  Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers. But
  when she wore it to school she learned just how tough politics can be.

  Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,
  she said. I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that's
  not true. It's my freedom of speech, it's my opinion. -

 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsession...

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Re: Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses ............ as the sunsets on the US Reich


When the going gets tough, the tough run to the Dollar...

Thanks for pointing this out Frank.


On Oct 20, 7:08 am, Kamakazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While you're busy cutting and pasting article after article regarding
 the global economies you might take a second to read one of them.
 You'll find the common thread is that through each and every one of
 them the US is, either expressly or implicitly, forcasted to the
 better, if not the best, of all the ones referenced.

 Even in this caption, you'll note Dollar Hoarding .. as the sun
 sets on the US Reich.

 Even for you, does this make any sense?

 On Oct 20, 8:43 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Dollar Hoarding Fuels Won, Rupee, Real Drop on Losses  as
  the sunsets on the US Reich
  By Kim Kyoungwha and Wes Goodman

  Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Exporters in emerging markets are hoarding
  dollars as losses on currency bets worsen the slump in the South
  Korean won, Brazilian real, Mexican peso and India's rupee.
  South Korean phone parts maker KJ Pretech Co. resisted converting
  dollars to won after record swings in currency markets ruined its
  trading strategies. In Brazil, Aracruz Celulose SA, a pulp producer,
  Sadia SA, a poultry company and Grupo Votorantim, a cement maker, had
  $2.3 billion in losses on hedges intended to protect earnings from
  exchange-rate moves. India's biggest carmaker, Maruti Suzuki India
  Ltd., plans to wait for a weaker rupee before bringing profits home
  from outside the country.
  Western Asset Management Co. and Union Investment, which manage more
  than $800 billion combined, are selling emerging- market currencies as
  the global economy slows and demand for dollars increases. Zurich-
  based UBS AG predicts the rupee will weaken 2.1 percent to a record
  low of 50 per dollar by March, adding to a 19 percent drop this year,
  while the won will depreciate 6 percent to 1,400, extending a 29
  percent slump.
  ``This is all caught up in the broader trend for the global grab for
  dollars,'' said Edwin Gutierrez, a money manager who oversees $5.5
  billion in debt in London at Aberdeen Asset Management, the Scottish
  fund company focused on emerging markets. ``Expect more weakness.''
  Currency Slump
  The won slumped 9.7 percent on Oct. 16, the most since the
  International Monetary Fund bailed the nation out in 1997. It has
  gained 4 percent in the past two days to 1,315 as the government
  mapped out a plan to support banks. India's rupee, which has slumped
  for 10 weeks, fell 0.2 percent today to 48.96 after the central bank
  cut its benchmark rate for the first time since 2004 today to support
  its economy.
  The Brazilian real closed at 2.1190 on Oct. 17, bringing its 2008 drop
  to 16 percent. Mexico's peso ended the week at 12.88 per dollar, for a
  year-to-date decline of 15 percent.
  Emerging markets tumbled after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for
  bankruptcy, deepening a freeze in credit markets. Investors turned to
  the safest, dollar-denominated securities even though the U.S. economy
  is growing more slowly than those of developing nations and the
  Federal Reserve's 0.5 percent benchmark interest rate compares with 5
  percent in South Korea, 8 percent in India and 13.75 percent in
  Brazil.
  Three-month Treasury bill rates fell to 0.02 percent on Sept. 17, from
  1.91 percent in August. The ICE futures exchange's Dollar Index, which
  tracks the greenback against the currencies of six U.S. trading
  partners, climbed 14 percent since June to 82.41, after falling 5.5
  percent in the first half.
  Rising Volatility
  Rapid moves in exchange rates are perilous for exporters because they
  can't adjust their hedging strategies fast enough. The JPMorgan
  Emerging Market Volatility Index soared to a record 32.01 percent on
  Oct. 10 before ending the week at 25.63. The index never exceeded
  15.66 until Lehman's bankruptcy, according to data compiled by
  Bloomberg.
  ``It doesn't matter what your fundamentals are,'' said Sergey
  Dergachev, an emerging-market money manager at Union Investment in
  Frankfurt, which has $233 billion in assets. ``Investors are trying to
  get rid of anything that is associated with market risk.''
  Central banks and governments around the world are pumping
  unprecedented amounts of cash into the financial system to combat the
  credit crisis. The moves are starting to bring down money market
  interest rates, which may revive demand for higher- yielding assets
  such as emerging-market currencies.
  The three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars fell every
  day last week, to 4.42 percent from 4.82 percent. The Dow Jones
  Industrial Average climbed 4.8 percent for its best weekly performance
  since 2003.
  Debt Guarantees
  South Korea's government yesterday announced it will grant a three-
  year guarantee for as much as $100 billion in debts used by the
  nation's lenders until June 30.
  ``The Korean won

Recession-Mongers Chew On This


Leading indicators rise in September

NEW YORK (AP) - The economy's health improved for the first time in
five months in September as supplier deliveries and new orders
strengthened, a private research group said Monday.
The New York-based Conference Board said its monthly forecast of
future economic activity rose 0.3 percent, a better reading than the
0.2 percent drop expected by Wall Street economists surveyed by
Thomson/IFR.

The index had fallen a revised 0.9 percent in August and 0.7 percent
in July.

A one-time jump in the money supply as the federal government
undertook a series of expensive bailouts helped September's index,
said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency
Economics.

In September, the government seized control of Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac, the largest funders of mortgages in the U.S. It made an $85
billion emergency loan to American International Group Inc. The
Federal Reserve and central banks in Europe pumped $180 billion into
money markets to free up lending between banks and the government
undertook a $700 billion rescue of troubled bank assets.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93UDJ5O0show_article=1

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Re: The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources


You are naive. This is why Obama refuses to disclose his campaign
doners.

On Oct 20, 2:55 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you serious - this is from Newsmax ... you should take everything they
 print with a grain of salt...





 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It seems Obama doesn't have to follow the Law here in the U.S

  When he is Elected, he will simply do away with the one's he doesn't
  like.

  For himself anyway.

  On Oct 20, 11:16 am, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
      Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign
   Sources?

  http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/1...

      Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:28 PM

   *By:* Kenneth R. Timmerman

   {Q} A canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome
  anomalies,
   including outright violations of federal election laws. For example,
  Obama
   has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal
   election limit.

   Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign to
   refund the excess amounts to them. And more than 37,000 Obama donations
   appear to be conversions of foreign currency.

   According to an analysis of the Obama campaign data before the latest
   figures were released, potential foreign currency donations could range
  as
   high as a stunning $63 million in all. With the addition of $150 million
   raised in September, this amount could be much more. 

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Re: Obama Plan: Drivers Licenses For Illegals


If Obama can't prove he is a U.S. Citizen, we may find that HE is
himself an Illegal Alien...


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  Interesting video:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyocX-9_mo
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I'm Voting today...


Ya gotta like Vote by Mail.

But I am taking my Ballot to a drop-off Center, just to make sure...

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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

Again my question is what is there to address?  What are you trying to get
at?

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Try looking at Obama's OWN results from the Primaries, and you will
 see he Polls well above the actual Votes he gets.

 We ALREADY have the empirical data on Obama, you just choose to not
 address it.


 On Oct 20, 11:54 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I never denied that the Bradley effect exists - u just connected to a
 thread
  that had nothing to do with it.  What is there to address?  It happens -
 and
  it wont change thats why Obama has built up a massive ground game to
 counter
  the Bradley effect if there is to be one ... it has never been studied on
 a
  national stage, only in state and local races.
 
 
 
 
 
   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   What about Obama's OWN results in the Primaries?
 
   You understand that he Polled well above the actual Votes he recieved,
   right?
 
   Bradley affect or not, it happened, and I see none of the Liberals
   here address it.
 
   Anyone wonder why?
 
   On Oct 20, 11:15 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the
 majority
   of
Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support
 whomever
   would
have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the
   primaries
... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do
 with
what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...
 
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet
 not
 25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites
 voting
 for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings
 about
 how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
 differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.
 
 On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is
   Black?
  Do
  you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to
 white
  politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is
 voting
   for BO
  including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ...
 if
   race
 is
  the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as
 well
   ...
 it
  isnt all about race!
 
  On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack
   Obama
   appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first
   African-
   American with a chance to become president.
 
   Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race,
 Limbaugh
   wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
   endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very
   liberal,
   white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come
 up
   with.
 
   As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the
 sort of
   Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint,
 Limbaugh
   wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts,
   Clarence
   Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I
 guess
   he
   also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general]
 and
   secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes,
   let's
   hear it for transformational figures.
 
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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist

Not a thing I have never heard a 12 y/o talk like that

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Whats wrong with Caucasian?

 On Oct 20, 1:56 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What 12 y/o do you know that uses the term Caucasian?
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM, d.b.baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   VOLUSIA COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) — She's only 12 years old
   but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year.
 
   That's because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School
   was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-
   shirt.
 
   Jones is volunteering at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna
   Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers. But
   when she wore it to school she learned just how tough politics can be.
 
   Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,
   she said. I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that's
   not true. It's my freedom of speech, it's my opinion. -
 
  http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsession.
 ..
 
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Re: The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources

He hasnt refused - it is not required to disclose info of people who
contribute under $200... honey you are the naive one - have you ever worked
on a campaign before - do you know ANYTHING about campaign financing and
reform aside from what Faux Noise feeds you?

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You are naive. This is why Obama refuses to disclose his campaign
 doners.

 On Oct 20, 2:55 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are you serious - this is from Newsmax ... you should take everything
 they
  print with a grain of salt...
 
 
 
 
 
   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   It seems Obama doesn't have to follow the Law here in the U.S
 
   When he is Elected, he will simply do away with the one's he doesn't
   like.
 
   For himself anyway.
 
   On Oct 20, 11:16 am, Keith In Tampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign
Sources?
 
   
 http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/1...
 
   Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:28 PM
 
*By:* Kenneth R. Timmerman
 
{Q} A canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome
   anomalies,
including outright violations of federal election laws. For example,
   Obama
has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal
election limit.
 
Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign
 to
refund the excess amounts to them. And more than 37,000 Obama
 donations
appear to be conversions of foreign currency.
 
According to an analysis of the Obama campaign data before the latest
figures were released, potential foreign currency donations could
 range
   as
high as a stunning $63 million in all. With the addition of $150
 million
raised in September, this amount could be much more. 
 
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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist


On Oct 20, 12:43 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Um actually I was agreeing ... be easy


Be easy?

You understand it was a simple question, right?

Just wanted to understand your position, it wasn't clear to me...

And hence the question.

I'll be easy if you'll be more clear...

;-)

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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?

Look honey buns ... I didnt say race had nothing to do with it but thats not
the end all be all ... thanks

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Look deary, there isn't a person on the face of the Earth, unless you
 really think the Messiah walks among us, that 98% of any group agrees
 with. I KNOW blacks who are Republicans and have always voted
 Republican because it is in their best interest to, BUT who are voting
 for Obama. I'm not getting all upset about it cause they are free to
 do as they will, but please, don't tell me race has nothing to do with
 it.

 On Oct 20, 2:15 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the majority
 of
  Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support whomever
 would
  have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the
 primaries
  ... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do with
  what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...
 
 
 
 
 
   On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet not
   25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites voting
   for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings about
   how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
   differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.
 
   On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is
 Black?
Do
you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to white
politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is voting
 for BO
including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ... if
 race
   is
the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as well
 ...
   it
isnt all about race!
 
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
 
 Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack
 Obama
 appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first
 African-
 American with a chance to become president.
 
 Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race, Limbaugh
 wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
 endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very
 liberal,
 white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up
 with.
 
 As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of
 Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh
 wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts,
 Clarence
 Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess
 he
 also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general] and
 secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes,
 let's
 hear it for transformational figures.
 
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Re: The Obama Campaign: $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources


On Oct 20, 1:09 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 He hasnt refused - it is not required to disclose info of people who
 contribute under $200... honey you are the naive one - have you ever worked
 on a campaign before - do you know ANYTHING about campaign financing and
 reform aside from what Faux Noise feeds you?


It is if those contribution AMOUNT to more than $200, over time...

And hence the reason they have to keep records.

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Re: Negro Classmates Brand 12-Year-Old Girl a Racist

You win ...

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Oct 20, 12:43 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Um actually I was agreeing ... be easy


 Be easy?

 You understand it was a simple question, right?

 Just wanted to understand your position, it wasn't clear to me...

 And hence the question.

 I'll be easy if you'll be more clear...

 ;-)

 



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Re: Limbaugh: Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?


I am getting at the fact that Obama has his OWN empirical evidence
we can look at to help us assess what may happen on November 4th...

Yet none of the Liberals want to discuss it.


On Oct 20, 12:39 pm, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Again my question is what is there to address?  What are you trying to get
 at?





 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Try looking at Obama's OWN results from the Primaries, and you will
  see he Polls well above the actual Votes he gets.

  We ALREADY have the empirical data on Obama, you just choose to not
  address it.

  On Oct 20, 11:54 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I never denied that the Bradley effect exists - u just connected to a
  thread
   that had nothing to do with it.  What is there to address?  It happens -
  and
   it wont change thats why Obama has built up a massive ground game to
  counter
   the Bradley effect if there is to be one ... it has never been studied on
  a
   national stage, only in state and local races.

    On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

What about Obama's OWN results in the Primaries?

You understand that he Polled well above the actual Votes he recieved,
right?

Bradley affect or not, it happened, and I see none of the Liberals
here address it.

Anyone wonder why?

On Oct 20, 11:15 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If people werent so hung up on race they would realize that the
  majority
of
 Blacks are Dems to begin with so naturally they would support
  whomever
would
 have been the Dem candidiate whether or not BO would have won the
primaries
 ... the Bradley effect which you are referringt to has nothing to do
  with
 what I posted but if you would like to discuss it we can ...

  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Its not about race? 98% of blacks are voting for Obama. I'll bet
  not
  25% could tell you his major policy stances. Are 98% of whites
  voting
  for McCain? And BTW, if you haven't heard the multiple musings
  about
  how white people will say they're voting for Obama and then do
  differently in the booth, you're not paying attention.

  On Oct 20, 9:11 am, Ms. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Why is it an issue that he decided to vote for BO because he is
Black?
   Do
   you ever ask a white person a question like this pertaining to
  white
   politicians?  No!  CP ticked off multiple reasons why he is
  voting
for BO
   including the behavior and marginalization of the JM campaign ...
  if
race
  is
   the only case why are moderate white Republicans jumping ship as
  well
...
  it
   isnt all about race!

   On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM, mark 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack
Obama
appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first
African-
American with a chance to become president.

Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race,
  Limbaugh
wrote in an e-mail. OK, fine. I am now researching his past
endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very
liberal,
white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come
  up
with.

As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the
  sort of
Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint,
  Limbaugh
wrote: I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts,
Clarence
Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I
  guess
he
also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [general]
  and
secretary of state and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes,
let's
hear it for transformational figures.

   --
   Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just
  cry
over
   their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a
  change.
   - Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965- Hide quoted text -

   - Show quoted text -

 --
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  over
 their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
 - Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

   --
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   their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
   - Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965- Hide quoted text -

   - Show quoted text -

 --
 Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over
 their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
 - Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -
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