South Texas county indicts Cheney, Gonzales.............animals
South Texas county indicts Cheney, Gonzales By Alex Lantier 20 November 2008 A grand jury in southern Texas' Willacy County has indicted US Vice President Dick Cheney and former US attorney general Alberto Gonzales on state charges of misconduct involving private prisons. The indictment, brought by District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra, also names several local officials. The indictment alleges conflict of interest stemming from an $85 million investment by Cheney in the Vanguard Group, a company that holds shares in private companies running federal detention centers, noting that Cheney had influence over the federal contracts awarded to the prison companies held by the Vanguard Group. The indictment also names Cheney as responsible for at least misdemeanor assaults at these prisons. The indictment accuses Gonzales of intervening, as US Attorney General in 2006, to stop an investigation into abuses at private prisons. As of this writing, the presiding judge has declined to sign the indictment, halting any further action on the case. Willacy County hosts a series of federal, state and county prisons, some of which are outsourced to private prison companies such as MTC and the GEO Group (formerly Wackenhut). These prisons have a long history of corruption and misconduct. In 2005 Guerra obtained guilty pleas from three former county commissioners while investigating bribery charges related to MTC's federal prison contracts. In 2006, a Willacy County jury ordered GEO Group to pay a $47.5 million fine in a civil judgment on a 2001 case, when Wackenhut guards allowed other inmates to beat inmate Gregorio de la Rosa Jr. to death with padlocks stuffed into socks. Guerra told the Associated Press the current indictment is a national issue and that experts from around the country had testified before the grand jury. The indictment reportedly refers to the de la Rosa case. The indicted officials brushed off the charges. Agence France-Presse wrote, Cheney's spokeswoman [Megan Mitchell] declined to comment because his office had not yet received a copy of the indictment. Mitchell arrogantly added, Let's wait and see if we even receive one. Gonzales' attorney George Terwilliger III said, This is obviously a bogus charge on its face, as any good prosecutor can recognize, adding that he hoped Texas authorities would stop this abuse of the criminal justice system. Michael Cowen--the attorney for State Senator Eddie Lucio, who is also named in the indictment--issued a statement declaring, It is a shame that Guerra has chosen to dedicate his energy to fighting with his fellow public servants, rather than actually prosecuting criminals. In a revealing comment, Cowen added that Guerra dismissed so many cases that local officials disparagingly called him The Great Emancipator--a common name of respect for President Abraham Lincoln, whose Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves after the US Civil War. Cowen added that his office was planning to file a motion to quash the indictment. The pose of incredulity and aggrieved innocence struck by Cheney and Gonzales reeks of hypocrisy and bad faith. Far from clearing them, their record as members of the Bush administration suggests that accusations of misconduct directed against them deserve due consideration. Cheney is hated in the US and around the world for framing and executing the Bush administration's policy of aggressive war, most notably in Iraq, in flagrant violation of international law. His longstanding policy is to shield himself from public oversight, notably evading Congressional attempts to obtain records of his 2001 Energy Task Force meetings on Iraq with the grotesque claim that his office is not part of the executive branch. As for Gonzales, he resigned as Attorney General in disgrace last year, after refusing to answer Congressional inquiries into the Department of Justice's improper firings of US attorneys. As White House counsel during the first Bush administration, he played a key role in promoting the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping program and helped draft legal memoranda arguing that the Geneva Convention's provisions were quaint and need not be applied to Taliban and al-Qaeda prisoners. Gonzales also requested the torture memo that defined torture so narrowly as to permit US forces to use abusive interrogation methods banned by US and international law. District Attorney Guerra, on the other hand, has been the continuing target of a campaign of official harassment, facing bogus charges of extorting money from a bail bond company and using his office for personal business. In March 2007 Guerra was jailed during a grand jury investigation of these charges. Two special prosecutors were appointed in the investigation: former US attorney Mervyn Mosbacker and Gus Garza, who ran against and lost to Guerra for the position of District Attorney in 1992. Since 1996, notes the Harlingen, Texas Valley Morning Star, Guerra has won three
Mitt Romney another conservative animal
At the same time, there continues to be a torrent of media commentaries opposing the bailout and demanding that Detroit's Big Three automakers declare bankruptcy in order to rip up existing union contracts and dump their pension and healthcare obligations. These commentaries have come from the same people who enthusiastically supported handing over more than a trillion dollars, with no strings attached, to Wall Street. In an op-ed column in Tuesday's New York Times, entitled, Let Detroit Go Bankrupt, Mitt Romney, former Massachusetts governor and contender for the Republican presidential nomination, insisted a managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs in order to rid itself of insurmountable labor and pension burdens. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the drive by media are comparing nobama to Lincoln
obama and lincoln bwahahahahahahahahah
On Nov 19, 10:20 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. Linclon would prefer Atilla the Hun or ghingis Khan.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:22 PM, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get a grip, Travis. I doubt Lincoln would compare himself to Obama!
On Nov 19, 8:11 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was the only one left after comparisons to God and Jesus.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha God is that funny. nobama and
Lincoln. bwahahahahahahahah
the only thing they have in common is they are both from illinois. oh
wait, I forgot, nobama is from kenya, so they have nothing in common.
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for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone who feels I have unfairly moderated them, please let me know here.
[ as you can see i did not wish to post this on here but your email does not work so here is what you asked for ! ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] to me show details 5:49 AM (1 hour ago) Reply This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (-715969955:3232:-2147467259) -- Forwarded message -- From: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:49:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: message board JGG1000 this is a copy of an email from WNCS . you are free to do as you wish but i will not post or respond to anything on garrs board until WNCS is reinstated as a member in good standing and moderator if she still wishes to do that . -- Forwarded message -- From: wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM Subject: Re: message board To: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey mike, Well we've had our differences but basically I always liked you. You were right about Gaar and I was evidently wrong, I guess I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am banned from there already. Thanks again for the kind words. Steph On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM, mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wncs ! if garr forces you off the board i will be leaving also . he has very few people who post on the board travis , jgg, mark , herman, you , himself, hollywood and maybe four or five more . and of those only you hollywood and i post anything other than conservative talking points . with out you , hollywood and I his board will die . without a counter point debate turns into a circle jerk . anyway if you leave please send me an email and let me know either at this address or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any ship can be a minesweeper once ! mike532 On Nov 19, 12:03 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike you aRE not lIBERAL BUT ILL INFORMED... I can say that about many so called Conservatives... You are NOT of a moderate POV either... If anyone is here, I am Moderate-Conservative... Your POV is on the Far LW of American Politics... Second, If what you say is true, provide a detailed post with links, I would join you... Third, I have done very publicly stood up to owners of forums, including demanding they ban me if what I said was untrue (the old NYT forum at the NYT)... I was never booted, but in fact was one of the few posters who got a public post from the moderator asking me why THEY WERE WRONG Which I replied publicly and privately... My point here is you make a claim, now PROVE IT Publicly by links and quotes from actual posts... On Nov 19, 4:25 am, mike [move on] 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is obvious what garr is doing here . and i call for everyone on this board to boycott it until WNCS is reinstated as a moderator and member in good standing . i would also add unless you want this board to die as it did before . because of garr and his former moderators antics of banning anyone who disagreed with them until there was no one left . when all of the liberal or moderate voices are silenced you will end up with five conservatives all telling each other how right they are ! On Nov 18, 10:42 am, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. still do not see any change. what a farce. the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font--Bloomberg.com:
it took him a while but soros finally managed to buy the presidency. On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Travis Subject: Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font--Bloomberg.com: Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, Bloomberg.com: Newshttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aF7fB1PF0NPg Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font By Edwin Chen [image: Enlarge Image/Details]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=photossid=aF7fB1PF0NPg Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Three blocks from the White House, on the 10th floor of a sleek glass building, young workers pound at computers, with giant flat-screen TVs overhead. It has the look and feel of a high-tech startup. In many ways it is. The product is ideas. Thanks in part to funding from benefactors such as billionaire George Soros, the Center for American Progress has become in just five years an intellectual wellspring for Democratic policy proposals, including many that are shaping the agenda of the new Obama administration. Much as the Heritage Foundation provided intellectual heft for the Republican Party in the 1980s, CAP has been an incubator for liberal thought and helped build the platform that triumphed in the 2008 campaign. ``What CAP has done is recapture the role of ideas as an important political force, something the Republicans had been better at for 25 years,'' said Walter Isaacson, president of the Aspen Institute, a non-partisan policy-research organization in Washington. CAP's president and founder, John Podesta, 59, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, is one of three people running the transition team for president-elect Barack Obama, 47. A squadron of CAP experts is working with them. Some of the group's recommendations already have been adopted by the president-elect. Withdrawal of Troops These include the center's call for a gradual withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and a buildup of forces in Afghanistan, a plan for universal health coverage through employer plans and proposals to create purchasing pools that allow small businesses to spread the cost among a larger group of workers. Obama has endorsed much of a CAP plan to create ``green jobs'' linked to alleviating global climate change. CAP also is advocating the creation of a ``National Energy Council'' headed by an official with the stature of the national security adviser and who would be charged with ``transforming the energy base'' of the U.S. In addition, CAP urges the creation of a White House ``office of social entrepreneurship'' to spur new ideas for addressing social problems. To help promote its ideas, CAP employs 11 full-time bloggers who contribute to two Web sites, ThinkProgress and the Wonk Room; others prepare daily feeds for radio stations. The center's policy briefings are standing-room only, packed with lobbyists, advocacy-group representatives and reporters looking for insights on where the Obama administration is headed. `Premier Progressive' ``The center is the premier progressive think tank in Washington,'' said Mark Green, head of the New Democracy Project, an urban-affairs institute in New York. Just eight days after the Nov. 4 election, CAP released a 300,000-word volume called ``Change for America: A Progressive Blueprint for the 44th President'' that offers advice on issues such as economic revival and fixing the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Work on the book began almost a year ago. CAP, which has 180 staffers and a $27 million budget, devotes as much as half of its resources to promoting its ideas through blogs, events, publications and media outreach. The center's future was far from certain in 2003, when wealthy donors such as Soros and film producer Stephen Bing gave $10 million or more to fill what they believed was an intellectual void in the Democratic Party and create a vehicle to produce an agenda for the party's eventual return to power. Heritage Foundation Podesta modeled the center on the Heritage Foundation, which became the go-to policy-research organization in 1981 when newly elected President Ronald Reagan embraced its conservative ideas embodied in a book called ``Mandate for Leadership.'' Heritage was just seven years old. CAP and Heritage have something else in common. ``Others strive to be objective, we don't,'' said Jennifer Palmieri, CAP's vice president for communications. Podesta likes to say, ``we're not a think tank, we're an action tank,'' said Dan Weiss, an environmental activist who joined CAP last year. CAP isn't the only Democratic-leaning research organization in Washington with enhanced cachet after Obama's election. The 92-year-old Brookings Institution, for example, has advisers in Obama's inner circle, including economist Jason Furman and foreign-policy expert Susan Rice. Others are working either part-time or full-time in the Obama transition.
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
At the rate we are going, this country's got maybe 10 years.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:14 AM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the
President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools
have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed
traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now
all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he
fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually
put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed
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Does Anyone Have Our Back In the Carribean?
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Subject: Does Anyone Have Our Back In the Carribean?
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Re: Socialism and Medicine
I'll say it again LW, The quick fix for our economy is debt forgiveness. What makes the economical world go round? The SOB at the top are immune from the plight of depression(s) so for them this is their way of putting us on our knees and licking their boots. This is not about money for THEM it is about control! Human resources: to them we are nothing but expendable rusource, and for the ones who are in the know a thorn in their side. WE have no power unless we forget about our special interest (gay marriage, bigotry, abortion etc) and reform our minds and re-dedicate ourselves as a nation /eg The Barn Raising Days and the gold standard. rant Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 1:00 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely, the same applies to education, the banking system and public utilities. When the American dream was a valid term, the nominal tax rate for business was 75%. Whether that is alot, or whether it is not, it was what was required to achieve social harmony and an equilibrium between the classes. At the end of the day business was still making money and the populace was generally content. Now you have a situation where 60% of business, pays no tax at all (after Bushes, tax cuts/breaks) so free health care and education go out the window at the same time wages and jobs are being slashed. How can an economy operate when the bottom 40% of the population owns 0.2% of total wealth and are carrying a debt burden of nearly 200% of their yearly income? What good is it giving money to the banks to pay off their debts, when no one has money to continue to use the credit facility the banks offer so they can continue to make profits? Obama is no socialist and he really has no intention of redistributing wealth, but for all those that are screaming Marxist, none of them have put up a viable alternative. Your a smart guy Doc. The richest 1% of Americans own more wealth than the bottom 90%. If they have all the wealth, then how does the economy function? You just can't print more money. On Nov 20, 12:34 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In itself Medicine should not be affiliated with a capitalist agenda. Medicine should be at everyone's disposal. Physician heel thyself and the damned FDA should be abolished etc! We are taught how not to have healthy habits etc and the for profit and drug co aren't that upset about it either. As long as we remain sick they shake the coins out of this piggy bank society along with all the other leeches / insurance co etc. What the hell is wrong with manufacturing etc to make a RESPECTABLE living instead of raping sick, suffering and dying people. I can understand charging for face lifts etc but for health issues, it's criminal Peace, Doc On Nov 19, 6:35 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't have socialized medicine in a capitalist world moron Any way you and you brain dead buddies are about find out what socialism is after Obama behaves more like a conservative than a democrat, after all there are all conservative misanthropes. On Nov 20, 7:17 am, M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Socialism and Medicineby William L. Anderson,Posted August 18, 2008This article originally appeared in the May, June, July and August 2008 edition ofFreedom Dailypart I --http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0805f.aspIfthefinancialpopularity of Michael Moore’s latest “documentary,” calledSicko,is an indication of popular sentiment in this country, then the United States seems to be ready for what once was calledsocialized medicine,but today is better known as “single-payer medicine.” All of the candidates running for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States this year promised programs similar to what exists in countries such as Canada, France, and Great Britain. The Republicans are promising “socialism lite.” Both parties promise that the government will be paying much, much more. Any discussion of medical care and its availability can stir emotions like nothing else. Any time I write on this subject in a public venue, I am assured of receiving strong hate mail from people who are convinced that I want only the rich to receive health care. Other people try to defend what exists in the United States today, which is not easily defended, at least not from a free-market point of view. As I see it, the subject of medical care is extremely complex, not because of the nature of health care, but rather because of the vast number of government regulations and policies that already govern what currently exists. Government intervention into nearly every aspect of our lives is so common that people often lose sight of how things would operateabsentthe intervention. Furthermore, people seem to be convinced that government really is the answer when it comes to medical
Re: Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font--Bloomberg.com:
What is Fascism; the lesser of the two evils? I don't think so. What did we (who are the people) do to Benito Mussolini? The republican are too loosing their head! Peace, Doc On Nov 19, 7:35 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Travis Subject: Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font--Bloomberg.com: Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, Bloomberg.com: Newshttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aF7fB1PF0NPg Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font By Edwin Chen [image: Enlarge Image/Details]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=photossid=aF7fB1PF0NPg Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Three blocks from the White House, on the 10th floor of a sleek glass building, young workers pound at computers, with giant flat-screen TVs overhead. It has the look and feel of a high-tech startup. In many ways it is. The product is ideas. Thanks in part to funding from benefactors such as billionaire George Soros, the Center for American Progress has become in just five years an intellectual wellspring for Democratic policy proposals, including many that are shaping the agenda of the new Obama administration. Much as the Heritage Foundation provided intellectual heft for the Republican Party in the 1980s, CAP has been an incubator for liberal thought and helped build the platform that triumphed in the 2008 campaign. ``What CAP has done is recapture the role of ideas as an important political force, something the Republicans had been better at for 25 years,'' said Walter Isaacson, president of the Aspen Institute, a non-partisan policy-research organization in Washington. CAP's president and founder, John Podesta, 59, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, is one of three people running the transition team for president-elect Barack Obama, 47. A squadron of CAP experts is working with them. Some of the group's recommendations already have been adopted by the president-elect. Withdrawal of Troops These include the center's call for a gradual withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and a buildup of forces in Afghanistan, a plan for universal health coverage through employer plans and proposals to create purchasing pools that allow small businesses to spread the cost among a larger group of workers. Obama has endorsed much of a CAP plan to create ``green jobs'' linked to alleviating global climate change. CAP also is advocating the creation of a ``National Energy Council'' headed by an official with the stature of the national security adviser and who would be charged with ``transforming the energy base'' of the U.S. In addition, CAP urges the creation of a White House ``office of social entrepreneurship'' to spur new ideas for addressing social problems. To help promote its ideas, CAP employs 11 full-time bloggers who contribute to two Web sites, ThinkProgress and the Wonk Room; others prepare daily feeds for radio stations. The center's policy briefings are standing-room only, packed with lobbyists, advocacy-group representatives and reporters looking for insights on where the Obama administration is headed. `Premier Progressive' ``The center is the premier progressive think tank in Washington,'' said Mark Green, head of the New Democracy Project, an urban-affairs institute in New York. Just eight days after the Nov. 4 election, CAP released a 300,000-word volume called ``Change for America: A Progressive Blueprint for the 44th President'' that offers advice on issues such as economic revival and fixing the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Work on the book began almost a year ago. CAP, which has 180 staffers and a $27 million budget, devotes as much as half of its resources to promoting its ideas through blogs, events, publications and media outreach. The center's future was far from certain in 2003, when wealthy donors such as Soros and film producer Stephen Bing gave $10 million or more to fill what they believed was an intellectual void in the Democratic Party and create a vehicle to produce an agenda for the party's eventual return to power. Heritage Foundation Podesta modeled the center on the Heritage Foundation, which became the go-to policy-research organization in 1981 when newly elected President Ronald Reagan embraced its conservative ideas embodied in a book called ``Mandate for Leadership.'' Heritage was just seven years old. CAP and Heritage have something else in common. ``Others strive to be objective, we don't,'' said Jennifer Palmieri, CAP's vice president for communications. Podesta likes to say, ``we're not a think tank, we're an action tank,'' said Dan Weiss, an environmental activist who joined CAP last year. CAP isn't the only Democratic-leaning research organization in Washington with enhanced cachet after Obama's election. The 92-year-old Brookings Institution, for example, has advisers in Obama's inner circle, including economist Jason Furman and
U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Rose to 542,000 Last Week
U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Rose to 542,000 Last Week (Update1) By Bob Willis Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- First-time claims for U.S. unemployment insurance unexpectedly rose last week to the highest level since 1992, a sign the labor market is deteriorating as the economic slump deepens. Initial jobless claims increased by 27,000 to a higher- than-forecast 542,000 in the week ended Nov. 15, from 515,000 the prior week, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The number of people staying on benefit rolls the prior week rose to 4.012 million, the most since December 1982. Job losses in the U.S. have totaled 1.2 million this year as the economy entered a downturn exacerbated by the worst credit crisis in seven decades. More firings will weigh on the economy and consumer spending, putting pressure on President- elect Barack Obama and Congress to agree on legislation that will stimulate growth. ``Layoffs are picking up at a more rapid pace,'' said Jonathan Basile, an economist at Credit Suisse Holdings Inc. in New York. ``This is a reflection of the level of caution that hit the economy in October. Payrolls are likely to get worse before they get better.'' Treasuries rose, pushing yields lower. The benchmark 10- year note yielded 3.21 percent as of 8:45 a.m. in New York, down 12 basis points from yesterday. Stock-index futures were lower. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg had anticipated a reading of 505,000, based on the median of 40 projections in a Bloomberg News survey, from the originally reported 516,000 in the prior week. Estimates ranged from 490,000 to 550,000 initial claims. Four-Week Average The four-week moving average of initial claims, a less volatile measure, increased to 506,500 last week from 490,750 a week earlier. So far this year, weekly claims have averaged 404,000, compared with an average of 321,000 for all of 2007, when the economy added a total of 1.1 million jobs. The unemployment rate among people eligible for benefits, which tends to track the jobless rate, rose to 3 percent, the highest since June 2003. These data are reported with a one-week lag. Forty-three states and territories reported an increase in new claims, while 10 reported a decrease. Initial jobless claims averaged 416,000 a week during the last recession, from March 2001 to November 2001, and rose to a high of 517,000 in the last week of September after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. The jobless rate rose to 6.5 percent in October, a 1.5 percentage point jump from six months earlier and one sign the economy may have entered a recession. The economy contracted 0.3 percent in the third quarter and economists surveyed by Bloomberg forecast negative growth of about 1 percent for the next six months. Banks, Automakers Companies are trimming staff as consumer spending is forecast to fall through at least March, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg early this month. Banks, faced with mounting losses and writeoffs as the financial crisis spread over the past year, have been sacking thousands of workers. Citigroup Inc., the fourth-largest U.S. bank, will eliminate 52,000 jobs over the next year, twice the target announced last month, as loan losses surge and the economy shrinks, the company said Nov. 17. ``We thought last year the bottom had been reached, but it hasn't,'' Citigroup Chairman Win Bischoff said in a conference in Dubai. ``Most responsible companies are getting into a planning cycle with more pessimistic budgets than they have been in the past.'' Carmakers are also shedding workers. Ford Motor Co. plans temporary shutdowns at nine North American plants this quarter, idling as many as 23,000 workers, as it slashes production after an 18 percent drop in U.S. sales this year, the company said Nov. 12. To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Willis in Washington at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last Updated: November --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The coming Apocalypse
I predicted 7500- maybe that was too optimistic. Your post is realistic. Obama's celebrity will last only so long esp as he appoints retreads to his cabinet.//How does one un-spoil brats? On Nov 19, 8:18 pm, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Wally; though I am hesitant to say I told you so, I did. As the Dow races to 7000 my prophetic, prescient, almost clairvoyant predictions of an economic apocalypse are tragically coming to fruition. Yet, it will get much, much worse; trust me. The vaunted $700 billion, “shuck and jive” has been as effective in loosening credit markets as Al Gore has been at losing weight. He’s still a fat bastard and our financial markets are circling the bowl. Here’s what you need to know. It’s too late to prop up our financial markets. The fire started by Democrat holdovers, flunkies and thieves in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has spread from our financials to industrials and even to internet advertising; ala Google’s dive today. Also note Yahoo is almost free and CBS is on life support at $5.00 a share. My point; every sector of our economy is in full nose dive. Just for kicks, let’s quickly stroll down memory lane and examine the cause of this winter of our discontent. Democrat hacks at Fannie and Freddie used sex, lies and videotape to cook the books, receive millions in target bonus’s and got congress to look the other way by bribing Democrats in the senate, “when republicans were in charge” and by bribing a lot of Democrats when they were in charge. Who said public service doesn’t pay? As republicans and President Bush were ringing the bell and shouting fire, democrats and the media minimized the alarm while shouting, “Racists pigs”. Fannie and Freddie currently hold $6 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages but, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Through the halls of these evil twins passed $50 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages. These mortgages were explicitly given to unqualified buyers, bundled together in hundreds of billions of dollar packages and securities were sold around the world with the collateral being these toxic, worthless mortgages. All the while, Democrats fiddled, as the world burned. As these mortgages defaulted, the securities backed by them became worthless. Companies holding these securities, overnight had seen their balance sheets lose trillions. The financial markets went into freefall. As the tsunami swept through the financials credit markets froze. Industries hadn’t the ability to short term borrow. Major stock indexes tanked; oil futures spiraled and even deflation of macro commodities ensued. It turned out to be an excrement sandwich. And, it’s only begun. It will get biblical; trust me, I have predicted this all. As expected, Democrats will bail out the car companies, insuring that they will indeed fail. This will spike unemployment into double digits and continue the domino sequential falling of economic indicators. While deflation will headline on the world stage, briefly, our most merciful government, under the messiah, “Barry O” massive capital infusions into the economy will rush, “fresh of the printing presses” into the economy, causing inflation percentages of 1000 percent; minimum. Prime Fed rates will approach 25% in an effort to curb inflation. The housing market will be destroyed, along with the seven or eight hundred businesses’s relying on it. A world wide depression will ensue. Yet, it will be a gradual decline; much like easing into a too hot bathtub. At the height of the second great depression America will have a 70% unemployment rate. Most workers, “still employed” will be employed by the government. There will be a 30% homeless rate and the end of western civilization will be at hand. In the first great depression America was much more rural, more self sufficient. Today we are more urban, more dependent on government, more hapless. We’ve lost that rugged individualism that our founders embodied and this nation was born with. We are spoiled, rich and sassy; unable to hunt, to fish, to grow our own food. Still, pause and reflect if you will, for in every calamity there is a teachable moment. Perhaps, just perhaps, as the phoenix rises from the ashes, whenever that future time is, it will be ingrained into the American psyche and told around the campfires dotted across these fruited plains. Liberalism is not tenable, it never was. Conservative Springfield 20 NOV 08 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
And a female border governor who has swamped this country with impoverished drug-running Mexicans! On Nov 20, 6:39�am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. �still do not see any change. �what a farce. �the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Re: Socialism and Medicine
Don't count on Democrats to deal with illegal Hispanics as they now have them as supporters/voters. On Nov 20, 7:10 am, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say it again LW, The quick fix for our economy is debt forgiveness. What makes the economical world go round? The SOB at the top are immune from the plight of depression(s) so for them this is their way of putting us on our knees and licking their boots. This is not about money for THEM it is about control! Human resources: to them we are nothing but expendable rusource, and for the ones who are in the know a thorn in their side. WE have no power unless we forget about our special interest (gay marriage, bigotry, abortion etc) and reform our minds and re-dedicate ourselves as a nation /eg The Barn Raising Days and the gold standard. rant Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 1:00 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely, the same applies to education, the banking system and public utilities. When the American dream was a valid term, the nominal tax rate for business was 75%. Whether that is alot, or whether it is not, it was what was required to achieve social harmony and an equilibrium between the classes. At the end of the day business was still making money and the populace was generally content. Now you have a situation where 60% of business, pays no tax at all (after Bushes, tax cuts/breaks) so free health care and education go out the window at the same time wages and jobs are being slashed. How can an economy operate when the bottom 40% of the population owns 0.2% of total wealth and are carrying a debt burden of nearly 200% of their yearly income? What good is it giving money to the banks to pay off their debts, when no one has money to continue to use the credit facility the banks offer so they can continue to make profits? Obama is no socialist and he really has no intention of redistributing wealth, but for all those that are screaming Marxist, none of them have put up a viable alternative. Your a smart guy Doc. The richest 1% of Americans own more wealth than the bottom 90%. If they have all the wealth, then how does the economy function? You just can't print more money. On Nov 20, 12:34 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In itself Medicine should not be affiliated with a capitalist agenda. Medicine should be at everyone's disposal. Physician heel thyself and the damned FDA should be abolished etc! We are taught how not to have healthy habits etc and the for profit and drug co aren't that upset about it either. As long as we remain sick they shake the coins out of this piggy bank society along with all the other leeches / insurance co etc. What the hell is wrong with manufacturing etc to make a RESPECTABLE living instead of raping sick, suffering and dying people. I can understand charging for face lifts etc but for health issues, it's criminal Peace, Doc On Nov 19, 6:35 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't have socialized medicine in a capitalist world moron Any way you and you brain dead buddies are about find out what socialism is after Obama behaves more like a conservative than a democrat, after all there are all conservative misanthropes. On Nov 20, 7:17 am, M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Socialism and Medicineby William L. Anderson,Posted August 18, 2008This article originally appeared in the May, June, July and August 2008 edition ofFreedom Dailypart I --http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0805f.aspIfthefinancialpopularityof Michael Moore’s latest “documentary,” calledSicko,is an indication of popular sentiment in this country, then the United States seems to be ready for what once was calledsocialized medicine,but today is better known as “single-payer medicine.” All of the candidates running for the Democratic nomination for president of the United States this year promised programs similar to what exists in countries such as Canada, France, and Great Britain. The Republicans are promising “socialism lite.” Both parties promise that the government will be paying much, much more. Any discussion of medical care and its availability can stir emotions like nothing else. Any time I write on this subject in a public venue, I am assured of receiving strong hate mail from people who are convinced that I want only the rich to receive health care. Other people try to defend what exists in the United States today, which is not easily defended, at least not from a free-market point of view. As I see it, the subject of medical care is extremely complex, not because of the nature of health care, but rather because of the vast number of government regulations and policies that already govern what currently exists. Government intervention into nearly
The Imminent Downfall Of The United States
Here's a link to the latest prophecy of prophetess Linda Newkirk about the imminent downfall of the United States: http://www.prophecies.org/DOCS/Book%2012/Chapter46.htm The Bible said in the last days it will be like Sodom and Gomorrha again. Now they're trying to legalize same sex marriage. But also why do the Republicans want to bail out crooked banks and insurance companies but then not want to give any help to our auto industry that employs 3 million people? AIG is getting $85 billion. They threw a huge party after billionaire Henry Paulson II announced this. Remember AIG's commercials in the last couple years? They advertised that Progressive and Geico auto insurance was cheap, but call them and you might save $300 or more over them. Almost like they knew they were going to go bankrupt and the government was going to bail them out so go ahead and throw sound business practices to the wind. Remember all this bailout money is being borrowed from China and Japan. We're getting where we can't hardly pay the interest on our huge national debt. But Bush wants to veto extending unemployment benefits. He should have been impeached several years ago. But the rapture of the bride of Christ is near, so prepare my friends. The Bible said the gospel must be preached in all the world unto all nations and then shall the end come. Jimmy Swaggart just announced last Sunday that his programs will now be on television in good time slots in Israel, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran. Countries that have never allowed the preaching of the gospel before. And it is prophesied that there will be a revival in Israel about the time of the rapture where all Israel will be saved. Romans 12. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
Obama is already stale and he hasn't even been sworn into office! lol On Nov 20, 8:29�am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same old spin. �he promised change. �his whole new testament was based on change. �this is turning into nothing more than a third clinton term. �no change. �just more lies and deceptions. �the sheep have been fleeced. On Nov 20, 8:45 am, margareth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you really have preferred Paulsen, Cheney Haliburton, and Palin? Of course he would be expected to find his executive from the Democratic party, particularly those who have supported him through the campaign. On Nov 20, 7:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. �still do not see any change. �what a farce. �the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the drive by media are comparing nobama to Lincoln
Instead he got Robert E. Lee. No doubt about the final outcome of our
Civil War with all the northern manufacturing versus the agrarian
South. The CW solved nothing.
On Nov 19, 9:20�pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. �Linclon would prefer Atilla the Hun or ghingis Khan.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:22 PM, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get a grip, Travis. I doubt Lincoln would compare himself to Obama!
On Nov 19, 8:11 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was the only one left after comparisons to God and Jesus.
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bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha God is that funny. nobama and
Lincoln. bwahahahahahahahah
the only thing they have in common is they are both from illinois. oh
wait, I forgot, nobama is from kenya, so they have nothing in common.
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Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
ya know holly you really need to get a new load of crap cause the same old one you kept hauling is really tarting to stink. the dems blocked everything when the republicans were in control. ever hear of a filibuster proof congress? well the republicans never had that and the dems stood in the way. so now that der furher is about to start the fourth reich, the dems want everyone to just get along. well I hope the republicans grow some balls, and tell the dems to go pound sand. the need to stand in the way of everything the socialist want to do. turn about is fair game, eh? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
Governor Janet Napolitano-AZ- Homeland Security. On Nov 20, 9:11�am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a female border governor who has swamped this country with impoverished drug-running Mexicans! On Nov 20, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. still do not see any change. what a farce. the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
mark, The truth is the truth lad. You keep making the same bullshit statements and I'll keep giving you the same answers. Aww, boo-fucking-hoo. On Nov 20, 10:06 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya know holly you really need to get a new load of crap cause the same old one you kept hauling is really tarting to stink. the dems blocked everything when the republicans were in control. ever hear of a filibuster proof congress? well the republicans never had that and the dems stood in the way. so now that der furher is about to start the fourth reich, the dems want everyone to just get along. well I hope the republicans grow some balls, and tell the dems to go pound sand. the need to stand in the way of everything the socialist want to do. turn about is fair game, eh? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Al Franken is another Gore
As much as I dislike Gore and think he is bad, bad, bad for this country, I would never insult him by comparing him to that steaming pile of fetid dog shit, Al Frankin. On Nov 20, 10:51 am, Philobealo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/whistleblower/2008/11/19/one-chal... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Holly, you fucking don't pay fucking attention , do you? The fucking media, along with fucking obstructionist fucking Democrats in fucking Congress did everything they fucking could to undermine the administration and the fucking foreign policy of this country. Do you fucking understand? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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JGG1000 this is a copy of an email from WNCS . you are free to do as you wish but i will not post or respond to anything on garrs board until WNCS is reinstated as a member in good standing and moderator if she still wishes to do that . -- Forwarded message -- From: wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM Subject: Re: message board To: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey mike, Well we've had our differences but basically I always liked you. You were right about Gaar and I was evidently wrong, I guess I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am banned from there already. Thanks again for the kind words. Steph On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM, mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wncs ! if garr forces you off the board i will be leaving also . he has very few people who post on the board travis , jgg, mark , herman, you , himself, hollywood and maybe four or five more . and of those only you hollywood and i post anything other than conservative talking points . with out you , hollywood and I his board will die . without a counter point debate turns into a circle jerk . anyway if you leave please send me an email and let me know either at this address or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any ship can be a minesweeper once ! mike532 On Nov 20, 7:33 am, mike [move on] 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ as you can see i did not wish to post this on here but your email does not work so here is what you asked for ! ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] to me show details 5:49 AM (1 hour ago) Reply This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (-715969955:3232:-2147467259) -- Forwarded message -- From: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:49:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: message board JGG1000 this is a copy of an email from WNCS . you are free to do as you wish but i will not post or respond to anything on garrs board until WNCS is reinstated as a member in good standing and moderator if she still wishes to do that . -- Forwarded message -- From: wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM Subject: Re: message board To: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey mike, Well we've had our differences but basically I always liked you. You were right about Gaar and I was evidently wrong, I guess I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am banned from there already. Thanks again for the kind words. Steph On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM, mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wncs ! if garr forces you off the board i will be leaving also . he has very few people who post on the board travis , jgg, mark , herman, you , himself, hollywood and maybe four or five more . and of those only you hollywood and i post anything other than conservative talking points . with out you , hollywood and I his board will die . without a counter point debate turns into a circle jerk . anyway if you leave please send me an email and let me know either at this address or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any ship can be a minesweeper once ! mike532 On Nov 19, 12:03 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike you aRE not lIBERAL BUT ILL INFORMED... I can say that about many so called Conservatives... You are NOT of a moderate POV either... If anyone is here, I am Moderate-Conservative... Your POV is on the Far LW of American Politics... Second, If what you say is true, provide a detailed post with links, I would join you... Third, I have done very publicly stood up to owners of forums, including demanding they ban me if what I said was untrue (the old NYT forum at the NYT)... I was never booted, but in fact was one of the few posters who got a public post from the moderator asking me why THEY WERE WRONG Which I replied publicly and privately... My point here is you make a claim, now PROVE IT Publicly by links and quotes from actual posts... On Nov 19, 4:25 am, mike [move on] 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is obvious what garr is doing here . and i call for everyone on this board to boycott it until WNCS is reinstated as a moderator and member in good standing . i would also add unless you want this board to die as it did before . because of garr and his former moderators antics of banning anyone who disagreed with them until there was no one left . when all of the liberal or moderate voices are silenced you will end up with five conservatives all telling each other how right they are ! On Nov 18, 10:42 am, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
so holly, since the dems have been in control for the last 2 yrs, then they are to blame for everything that has happened right? the economy, the gas prices, the stock market, and on and on. right? they are in charge, right? On Nov 20, 11:55 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeb, Oh the drama! Everyone's against me, it's a conspiracy! Mw, they won't let me do what I want for any reason I want to anyone I want! They keep, like, asking me questions n'stuff and criticizing me. W! On Nov 20, 10:27 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holly, you fucking don't pay fucking attention , do you? The fucking media, along with fucking obstructionist fucking Democrats in fucking Congress did everything they fucking could to undermine the administration and the fucking foreign policy of this country. Do you fucking understand? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
Something most will not remember - Janet Napolitiano represented Anita Hill. CW - Original Message - From: rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:55 Subject: Re: where is the change Governor Janet Napolitano-AZ- Homeland Security. On Nov 20, 9:11�am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a female border governor who has swamped this country with impoverished drug-running Mexicans! On Nov 20, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. still do not see any change. what a farce. the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
You are talking his language now Zeb. CW - Original Message - From: Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:27 Subject: Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way Holly, you fucking don't pay fucking attention , do you? The fucking media, along with fucking obstructionist fucking Democrats in fucking Congress did everything they fucking could to undermine the administration and the fucking foreign policy of this country. Do you fucking understand? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Marks makes a valid point and by denying it's validity you lose any credibility in the discussion. Let's try something crazy here Woody and actually have an honest discussion. I tend to believe that divided government was the original intent of the framers for so many obvious reasons not the least of which is that compromise and a consensus-driven government will produce the checks and balances the founders intended. Are you saying the paradoxical circumstance we now face of having the Democrats in charge of both elected branches will provide more balanced and effective governance than the split governments we have so recently endured? CW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
China hacking US defense secrets
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U.S. Economy: Jobless Claims Approach Highest Level Since 1982
U.S. Economy: Jobless Claims Approach Highest Level Since 1982 By Bob Willis and Shobhana Chandra Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits approached a 26-year high, and a gauge of the economy's future performance dropped, sending yields on benchmark Treasuries to record lows. Initial jobless claims climbed to a higher-than-forecast 542,000 in the week ended Nov. 15, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators declined 0.8 percent, and a measure of manufacturing in the Philadelphia region fell to an 18-year low. The U.S. stock market's benchmark index headed for its biggest annual decline on record, and yields on two-, five- and 30-year Treasuries posted historic lows as confidence in the economic outlook evaporated. The turmoil may intensify pressure on the Federal Reserve and incoming President Barack Obama's administration to take fresh steps to shore up the economy. ``The economic contraction appears to be worsening,'' said Sal Guatieri, a senior economist at BMO Capital Markets in Toronto. ``The stock markets are plunging, people are retrenching and manufacturing activity is virtually falling off a cliff. The increase in layoffs can only worsen the economic downturn.'' First-time jobless claims last week were the highest since 1982, with the exception of a one-week jump in filings in July 1992 caused by temporary layoffs at General Motors Corp. The number of people staying on benefit rolls rose to 4.012 million, the most since December 1982, in the week to Nov. 8. Economists' Forecasts Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News had anticipated a reading of 505,000 for last week, based on the median of 40 projections. Claims for the prior week were revised to 515,000 from 516,000. ``This is a reflection of the level of caution that hit the economy in October,'' said Jonathan Basile, an economist at Credit Suisse Holdings Inc. in New York. He added that payroll losses, already totaling 1.2 million this year, will likely ``get worse before they get better.'' The Standard Poor's 500 Stock Index fell 1.5 percent to 794.48 at 11:53 a.m. in New York, and at one point headed for an annual decline of 47 percent. Ten-year Treasury yields dropped to 3.18 percent from 3.32 percent late yesterday, and two-year yields slid below 1 percent. Companies are trimming staff as consumer spending is forecast to fall through at least March, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg early this month. Banks, faced with mounting losses and write-offs as the financial crisis spread over the past year, have been sacking thousands of workers. Citigroup Losses Citigroup Inc., the fourth-largest U.S. bank, will eliminate 52,000 jobs over the next year, twice the target announced last month, as loan losses surge and the economy shrinks, the company said Nov. 17. The company's shares today reached the lowest level since 1994. ``We thought last year the bottom had been reached, but it hasn't,'' Citigroup Chairman Win Bischoff said in a conference in Dubai. ``Most responsible companies are getting into a planning cycle with more pessimistic budgets than they have been in the past.'' Carmakers are also firing workers. Ford Motor Co. plans temporary shutdowns at nine North American plants this quarter, idling as many as 23,000 workers, as it slashes production after an 18 percent drop in U.S. sales this year, the company said Nov. 12. Forty-three states and territories reported an increase in new claims, while 10 reported a decrease. The unemployment rate among people eligible for benefits, which tends to track the jobless rate, rose to 3 percent, the highest since June 2003. These data are reported with a one-week lag. Initial jobless claims averaged 416,000 a week during the last recession, from March 2001 to November 2001. Philadelphia Index The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia's general economic index was minus 39.3 this month, weaker than forecast and the lowest reading since October 1990, from minus 37.5 in October, the bank said today. Negative readings signal contraction. The index averaged 5.1 last year. The deepening credit crisis and economic slump are forcing companies to trim payrolls, investment and production. Slowing global demand is weighing on manufacturing, which accounts for about 12 percent of the U.S. economy. ``Manufacturers are getting hit by several different forces,'' Dean Maki, co-chief global economist at Barclays Capital Markets in New York, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. ``Exports are being hit pretty hard because the slowdown is heading abroad as well.'' Component Measures Six of the 10 indicators in today's Conference Board report dragged the index down, led by plunging stock prices, which subtracted 0.89 percentage point. The Standard Poor's 500 index dropped 20 percent last month from September. The index was forecast to decline 0.6 percent, according to
DON'T WORRY ABOUT MYTHICAL GW. Earth recovering from mini ice age and volcanic eruptions.
GW NUTS DON’T HAVE TO WORRY. JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT VOLCANIC ERUPTION. VOLCANOES SPEW MUCH MORE CO2 THAN HUMANS. VOLCANOES HAVE THE BIGGEST AFFECT ON CLIMATE CHANGE. The increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are not the only factors influencing climate. Explosive volcanic eruptions can inject enormous amounts of sulfur dioxide and ash into the atmosphere. Aerosol particles injected into the stratosphere can result in climate changes lasting up to several years. Observed climatic responses to the Mt. Pinatubo eruption have included tropospheric cooling, stratospheric warming, and an overall drop of about 0.5°C in the global average surface temperature. The IPCC base their whole theory of global warming on a global temperature rise of .4 degrees C over a period of five decades and are blaming it on the human release of aerosol gases and the trace gas CO2. Do you see the disparity here? “There are not yet comprehensive estimates of how the effects of changes in aerosol concentrations, changes in land cover and land use, and changes in concentrations of greenhouse gases will combine with natural influences to alter the global climate. Examination of the temperature record of the last 100 years does show a warming of about 0.5°C, only temporarily reversed recently by the volcanic influence of Mt. Pinatubo, suggesting that the enhanced greenhouse effect is exerting the primary influence. The fact that this warming is somewhat less and different in timing than that predicted by computer models emphasizes the need for continuing research directed toward gaining a better understanding of both human and natural influences such as solar variability on the climate system.” –Global Cooling Google search. “It is estimated that when Mount Pinatubo erupted the ash spread in the upper atmosphere lowering global temperatures .5 degrees C. Mount Pinatubo, active volcano in the Philippines, in the central part of the island of Luzon, at the juncture of Tarlac, Zambales, and Pampanga provinces. Mount Pinatubo is almost 90 km (55 mi) north of Manila and about 24 km (about 16 mi) east of Angeles, where the United States Air Force Base known as the Clark Air Base was located. Until 1991, Mount Pinatubo was classified as inactive because it had been dormant for at least 600 years. In June and July of that year, the volcano erupted several times, throwing millions of tons of ash and other volcanic material over 15,000 m (almost 50,000 ft) high into the atmosphere. Much of this volcanic material spread around the world in the upper atmosphere. Locally, the ash reached a depth of more than 3 m (10 ft). Heavy tropical rains turned the ash to mud and triggered massive mudslides. By late August 1991 it was estimated that 550 people had died because of the eruption and its aftermath. In addition, more than 650,000 people had lost their livelihood, and 100,000 hectares (almost 250,000 acres) of agricultural land had been devastated. The ash covered nearby Clark Air Base and sped up the U.S. pullout from Clark, which was until 1991 one of the largest U.S. Air Force bases outside of the United States. Mount Pinatubo erupted again in August 1992, causing more destruction. Mount Pinatubo is 1,780 m (5,840 ft) high. Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. “Krakatau, also Krakatoa or Rakata, small volcanic island, southwestern Indonesia, in the Sunda Strait, between Java and Sumatra. Until the night of August 26-27, 1883, Krakatau had an area of 47 sq km (18 sq mi); at that time, a volcanic eruption and its consequent explosions destroyed most of the island, so the present area is only 15 sq km (6 sq mi). The eruption produced huge ocean waves called tsunamis that reached an estimated height of 30 m (100 ft) and traveled 13,000 km (8,000 mi); these waves drowned about 34,000 people along the coasts of Java and Sumatra and destroyed incalculable amounts of property. In addition, pyroclastic flows of hot volcanic ash traveled more than 40 km (25 mi) across the surface of the sea and fatally burned at least 2,000 people. An explosion in the eruption series produced one of the loudest noises in history; it was heard at a distance of 4,800 km (3,000 mi). The material ejected was in the form of fine dust, which was diffused by aerial currents throughout the upper atmosphere; for three years thereafter, observers all over the world reported brilliant colorations of sunrise and sunset, caused by the refraction of the rays of the sun by these tiny particles. The island displayed volcanic activity again in 1927, and the inhabitants were evacuated; the island is now uninhabited. Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. When Novarupta erupted making a crater three miles wide it dumped six- feet of ash on Kodiak Island and over a foot of ash on the city of Anchorage Alaska 250 miles to the Northeast lowering global temperatures three
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Just putting the fucks in there so you have something to relate to, Holly. I know how hard it is for you to communicate without a liberal dose of fucks. On Nov 20, 11:55 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeb, Oh the drama! Everyone's against me, it's a conspiracy! Mw, they won't let me do what I want for any reason I want to anyone I want! They keep, like, asking me questions n'stuff and criticizing me. W! On Nov 20, 10:27 am, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holly, you fucking don't pay fucking attention , do you? The fucking media, along with fucking obstructionist fucking Democrats in fucking Congress did everything they fucking could to undermine the administration and the fucking foreign policy of this country. Do you fucking understand? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
CW, Yeah, but he's not as fucking creative as I am. On Nov 20, 12:40 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are talking his language now Zeb. CW - Original Message - From: Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:27 Subject: Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way Holly, you fucking don't pay fucking attention , do you? The fucking media, along with fucking obstructionist fucking Democrats in fucking Congress did everything they fucking could to undermine the administration and the fucking foreign policy of this country. Do you fucking understand? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Cold, We've already experienced what happen when the Republicans control both the WH and the Congress, haven't we? How much worse can the Democrats fuck up? On Nov 20, 1:02 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marks makes a valid point and by denying it's validity you lose any credibility in the discussion. Let's try something crazy here Woody and actually have an honest discussion. I tend to believe that divided government was the original intent of the framers for so many obvious reasons not the least of which is that compromise and a consensus-driven government will produce the checks and balances the founders intended. Are you saying the paradoxical circumstance we now face of having the Democrats in charge of both elected branches will provide more balanced and effective governance than the split governments we have so recently endured? CW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
I don't know Woody. The Republicans never had a filibuster proof majority. We are going in circles now. dizzy CW - Original Message - From: Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 04:03 Subject: Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way Cold, We've already experienced what happen when the Republicans control both the WH and the Congress, haven't we? How much worse can the Democrats fuck up? On Nov 20, 1:02 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marks makes a valid point and by denying it's validity you lose any credibility in the discussion. Let's try something crazy here Woody and actually have an honest discussion. I tend to believe that divided government was the original intent of the framers for so many obvious reasons not the least of which is that compromise and a consensus-driven government will produce the checks and balances the founders intended. Are you saying the paradoxical circumstance we now face of having the Democrats in charge of both elected branches will provide more balanced and effective governance than the split governments we have so recently endured? CW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect-the-economic-destruction-of-the-us-by-bush-and-the-republican-party?hl=en http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-rescue.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-for.html http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gold-standard?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-can-feed-your-family-next-year?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less-than-100-000-your-tax-cut-was-158-61?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voodoo-economy-that-is-americas-enemy-stupid?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-the-solution-to-the-real-estate-meltdown-rescue-recovery-plan-and-fixing-the-economy?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-opinion?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-trade-agreements-vs-democratic-free-trade-agreements?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-rather-have-tax-cuts-and-refunds-or-social-security-and-medicare?hl=en There are more but you get the point! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
rigs, Wow, and all this time I thought it was the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to secure our international borders. Silly me. On Nov 20, 9:11 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a female border governor who has swamped this country with impoverished drug-running Mexicans! On Nov 20, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. still do not see any change. what a farce. the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone who feels I have unfairly moderated them, please let me know here.
jgg1000 is an old email account... Yes for your information jgg1000 ia alive and well... Sorry you were unable to clutter my emial box... On Nov 20, 7:33 am, mike [move on] 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ as you can see i did not wish to post this on here but your email does not work so here is what you asked for ! ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] to me show details 5:49 AM (1 hour ago) Reply This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (-715969955:3232:-2147467259) -- Forwarded message -- From: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:49:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: message board JGG1000 this is a copy of an email from WNCS . you are free to do as you wish but i will not post or respond to anything on garrs board until WNCS is reinstated as a member in good standing and moderator if she still wishes to do that . -- Forwarded message -- From: wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM Subject: Re: message board To: mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey mike, Well we've had our differences but basically I always liked you. You were right about Gaar and I was evidently wrong, I guess I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am banned from there already. Thanks again for the kind words. Steph On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM, mike 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wncs ! if garr forces you off the board i will be leaving also . he has very few people who post on the board travis , jgg, mark , herman, you , himself, hollywood and maybe four or five more . and of those only you hollywood and i post anything other than conservative talking points . with out you , hollywood and I his board will die . without a counter point debate turns into a circle jerk . anyway if you leave please send me an email and let me know either at this address or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Any ship can be a minesweeper once ! mike532 On Nov 19, 12:03 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike you aRE not lIBERAL BUT ILL INFORMED... I can say that about many so called Conservatives... You are NOT of a moderate POV either... If anyone is here, I am Moderate-Conservative... Your POV is on the Far LW of American Politics... Second, If what you say is true, provide a detailed post with links, I would join you... Third, I have done very publicly stood up to owners of forums, including demanding they ban me if what I said was untrue (the old NYT forum at the NYT)... I was never booted, but in fact was one of the few posters who got a public post from the moderator asking me why THEY WERE WRONG Which I replied publicly and privately... My point here is you make a claim, now PROVE IT Publicly by links and quotes from actual posts... On Nov 19, 4:25 am, mike [move on] 532 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is obvious what garr is doing here . and i call for everyone on this board to boycott it until WNCS is reinstated as a moderator and member in good standing . i would also add unless you want this board to die as it did before . because of garr and his former moderators antics of banning anyone who disagreed with them until there was no one left . when all of the liberal or moderate voices are silenced you will end up with five conservatives all telling each other how right they are ! On Nov 18, 10:42 am, wncs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
When will the Left accept this fact
an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)
WASHINGTON, DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation, which provides new benefits for many Americans. President Elect Obama will have the opportunity to sign the The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) which is being hailed as a major legislation by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition. ‘Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,’ said California Senator Barbara Boxer. We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they do a better job, or have some idea of what they are doing.” Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S employer of Persons of Inability. The President pointed to the success of the US Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack job skills, making this agency the single largest US employer of Persons of Inability. Private sector industries with good records of nondiscrimination against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%),and home improvement “warehouse” stores (65%) The DMV also has a great record of hiring Persons of Inability. (63%) Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million ‘middle man’ positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance. Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given, to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations which maintain a significant level of Persons of Inability in middle positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires. Finally, the AWNA ACT contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled, banning discriminatory iinterview questions such as “Do you have any goals for the future?” or “Do you have any skills or experience which relate to this job?” ‘As a Non-abled person, I can’t be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,’ said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan. “This new law should really help people like me.” With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens can finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. Said Senator Ted Kennedy, “It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her adequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation. http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=130 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: where is the change????????????????
You need someone who understands the ways things are done to make the change. The Clinton Administration accomplished a positive change for the US economy after the first Bush. With the mess the second Bush is now leaving, this is not the time to have neophytes trying to find where the rest rooms are. This is about Competence, Intelligence, Accountability and and understanding how to get things done, and done CORRECTLY! On Nov 18, 12:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
First you cut the taxes to the people who NEED it, the middle class, once things stabilize THEN you raise taxes to the Wealthy. It is not rocket science. However it seems beyond the grasp of the ignorant Bush Republicans. On Nov 20, 1:20 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
The US interference in Iraqi politics makes the Iraqi puppet government illegal under UN law. An occupying force MUST NOT influnce domestic politics or the running of the economy--the US has done both. In fact the US drafted the Iraqi constitution. Lets rubber stamp an imperialist occupation. On Nov 21, 8:19 am, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
The Iranians are just one more example of a missed opportunity cause by the errant war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq. Yet you myopic ignorant Bush Republicans can't see the damage you caused with your 'enlightened' policies. You had your chance, you FUCKED EVERYTHING UP, now shut the fuck up and let others who know what they are doing fixed the huge fucking mess you guys created! On Nov 20, 1:19 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Hey stupid, the war of terror was NEVER in Iraq. IT BECAME a war in Iraq after the ignorant Bush Republicans decided to make it a war on terror. You dumbasses were warned. Bush Sr. even wrote a book telling why he did not invade Iraq. But you ignorant dumbasses thought you knew better, Look at the fucking mess we now have to deal with. STFU and get the Fuck out of the way, you had your chance! On Nov 20, 4:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: U.S. Economy: Jobless Claims Approach Highest Level Since 1982
The Bush Tax cuts was suppose to create 15 million jobs. If we are lucky we may still have the same number of Americans employed as we did in 2001 when Bush was elected. Bush is erasing all of the gains of the Clinton Administration! On Nov 20, 11:32 am, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U.S. Economy: Jobless Claims Approach Highest Level Since 1982 By Bob Willis and Shobhana Chandra Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits approached a 26-year high, and a gauge of the economy's future performance dropped, sending yields on benchmark Treasuries to record lows. Initial jobless claims climbed to a higher-than-forecast 542,000 in the week ended Nov. 15, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators declined 0.8 percent, and a measure of manufacturing in the Philadelphia region fell to an 18-year low. The U.S. stock market's benchmark index headed for its biggest annual decline on record, and yields on two-, five- and 30-year Treasuries posted historic lows as confidence in the economic outlook evaporated. The turmoil may intensify pressure on the Federal Reserve and incoming President Barack Obama's administration to take fresh steps to shore up the economy. ``The economic contraction appears to be worsening,'' said Sal Guatieri, a senior economist at BMO Capital Markets in Toronto. ``The stock markets are plunging, people are retrenching and manufacturing activity is virtually falling off a cliff. The increase in layoffs can only worsen the economic downturn.'' First-time jobless claims last week were the highest since 1982, with the exception of a one-week jump in filings in July 1992 caused by temporary layoffs at General Motors Corp. The number of people staying on benefit rolls rose to 4.012 million, the most since December 1982, in the week to Nov. 8. Economists' Forecasts Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News had anticipated a reading of 505,000 for last week, based on the median of 40 projections. Claims for the prior week were revised to 515,000 from 516,000. ``This is a reflection of the level of caution that hit the economy in October,'' said Jonathan Basile, an economist at Credit Suisse Holdings Inc. in New York. He added that payroll losses, already totaling 1.2 million this year, will likely ``get worse before they get better.'' The Standard Poor's 500 Stock Index fell 1.5 percent to 794.48 at 11:53 a.m. in New York, and at one point headed for an annual decline of 47 percent. Ten-year Treasury yields dropped to 3.18 percent from 3.32 percent late yesterday, and two-year yields slid below 1 percent. Companies are trimming staff as consumer spending is forecast to fall through at least March, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg early this month. Banks, faced with mounting losses and write-offs as the financial crisis spread over the past year, have been sacking thousands of workers. Citigroup Losses Citigroup Inc., the fourth-largest U.S. bank, will eliminate 52,000 jobs over the next year, twice the target announced last month, as loan losses surge and the economy shrinks, the company said Nov. 17. The company's shares today reached the lowest level since 1994. ``We thought last year the bottom had been reached, but it hasn't,'' Citigroup Chairman Win Bischoff said in a conference in Dubai. ``Most responsible companies are getting into a planning cycle with more pessimistic budgets than they have been in the past.'' Carmakers are also firing workers. Ford Motor Co. plans temporary shutdowns at nine North American plants this quarter, idling as many as 23,000 workers, as it slashes production after an 18 percent drop in U.S. sales this year, the company said Nov. 12. Forty-three states and territories reported an increase in new claims, while 10 reported a decrease. The unemployment rate among people eligible for benefits, which tends to track the jobless rate, rose to 3 percent, the highest since June 2003. These data are reported with a one-week lag. Initial jobless claims averaged 416,000 a week during the last recession, from March 2001 to November 2001. Philadelphia Index The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia's general economic index was minus 39.3 this month, weaker than forecast and the lowest reading since October 1990, from minus 37.5 in October, the bank said today. Negative readings signal contraction. The index averaged 5.1 last year. The deepening credit crisis and economic slump are forcing companies to trim payrolls, investment and production. Slowing global demand is weighing on manufacturing, which accounts for about 12 percent of the U.S. economy. ``Manufacturers are getting hit by several different forces,'' Dean Maki, co-chief global economist at Barclays Capital Markets in New York, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. ``Exports are being hit
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
The war with al Queda had been going on for years before we ever went into Iraq. President Bubba was too busy getting his johnson polished by interns to notice though. What's your excuse? On Nov 20, 4:30 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stupid, the war of terror was NEVER in Iraq. IT BECAME a war in Iraq after the ignorant Bush Republicans decided to make it a war on terror. You dumbasses were warned. Bush Sr. even wrote a book telling why he did not invade Iraq. But you ignorant dumbasses thought you knew better, Look at the fucking mess we now have to deal with. STFU and get the Fuck out of the way, you had your chance! On Nov 20, 4:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Imminent Downfall Of The United States
This was not prophecy it was common sense... I wrote about it myself in December of 2005 http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2005/09/collapse-of-american-preeminence-bush.html Wednesday, September 21, 2005 The Collapse of American Preeminence, The Bush Legacy The Collapse of American Preeminence, The Bush Legacy In the Next three years we will see the cascade effect of the errant Bush policies collapse the economic strength of the US. With hard won economic strategies America entered the 21st century in financial health to dominate the century. Bush squandered this strength and in doing so condemned this nation to potential financial ruin. Any organization should always anticipate the unknown. You set up a catastrophe fund, a rainy day fund, an emergency fund. We have none. America had an Annual Budget surplus that gave America the option to pay down long term debt, or address any emergency that arose. The long term debt were both the Social Security Bond Redemption the US treasury has to honor, and the Treasury bonds issue to the public. Bush took this 'surplus' and used it to buy his Presidency at the cost of America's future. The Tax cuts during a time of war are fiscally irresponsible. Now we will suffer the long term effects of this fiscal irresponsibility. The long term pain this country will suffer will far out weight the short term benefit of the tax cuts. Tax cuts the MAJORITY of America did not benefit from. Alone these tax cuts did not weaken this nation, but when two wars, rampant deficit spending by Republicans, TWO natural disasters Katrina and Rita and the resultant higher energy prices this nation was dealt a potentially crippling series of devastating lethal blows. Had Bush not chosen to continue with the irresponsible Tax cuts and the War of Choice in Iraq, and the Republicans had shown some fiscal responsibility they always claimed they had, this country could have weathered the TWO hurricanes with little fiscal turbulence. The cure now will be painful and severe. We are looking at an annual deficit of $700 Billion a year. That is a conservative estimate. It will take each American paying an additional $7000 a year to pay off this deficit or we can slash ALL spending a flat rate equivalent to the Deficit. This is the cure. If we do not do this, the Depression will look like a pleasant dream. On Nov 20, 7:27 am, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to the latest prophecy of prophetess Linda Newkirk about the imminent downfall of the United States:http://www.prophecies.org/DOCS/Book%2012/Chapter46.htm The Bible said in the last days it will be like Sodom and Gomorrha again. Now they're trying to legalize same sex marriage. But also why do the Republicans want to bail out crooked banks and insurance companies but then not want to give any help to our auto industry that employs 3 million people? AIG is getting $85 billion. They threw a huge party after billionaire Henry Paulson II announced this. Remember AIG's commercials in the last couple years? They advertised that Progressive and Geico auto insurance was cheap, but call them and you might save $300 or more over them. Almost like they knew they were going to go bankrupt and the government was going to bail them out so go ahead and throw sound business practices to the wind. Remember all this bailout money is being borrowed from China and Japan. We're getting where we can't hardly pay the interest on our huge national debt. But Bush wants to veto extending unemployment benefits. He should have been impeached several years ago. But the rapture of the bride of Christ is near, so prepare my friends. The Bible said the gospel must be preached in all the world unto all nations and then shall the end come. Jimmy Swaggart just announced last Sunday that his programs will now be on television in good time slots in Israel, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran. Countries that have never allowed the preaching of the gospel before. And it is prophesied that there will be a revival in Israel about the time of the rapture where all Israel will be saved. Romans 12. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
Stupid analyis. Totally wrong. Don't bother trying again. On Nov 20, 4:24 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US interference in Iraqi politics makes the Iraqi puppet government illegal under UN law. An occupying force MUST NOT influnce domestic politics or the running of the economy--the US has done both. In fact the US drafted the Iraqi constitution. Lets rubber stamp an imperialist occupation. On Nov 21, 8:19 am, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Jesuit Infiltration Of Judaism, Including Zionism
Jesuit Infiltration Of Judaism, Including Zionism I highly recommend this video in its entirety. But please, at the very least, see last few minutes of this part n in which a 7th Day Adventist confirms that the Jesuits infiltrated Judaism and the Zionist movement, inter alia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCYdcNshc0Ufeature=related Let there be no mistakes. I am not a Christian of any kind. I am an observant Jew and I am a Zionist in the original sense of the word. I have to offer these sites for information only because there are no comparable Jewish sites. The Jews, in every stream of Judaism, are so deeply infiltrated and brainwashed that they do not even know this is transpiring. So, I have no choice but to turn to a Christian source for the information. Needless to say, you'll not find this information in Hebrew. I urge you to also see this site: http://www.spirituallysmart.com/alberto.html You'll see that the Jesuits infiltrated Islam and the Arabs as well. Shimon Peres is said to be a Jesuit operative and eight of the 13 Prime Ministers of Israel have been high level Freemasons (including Ben Gurion, Peres, Rabin Netanyahu and Olmert) . The then Knights Templar, now the Knights of Malta subsequently associated with the Jesuits, infiltrated Freemasonry and completely overran it. *Please* research the significance of this. Doreen Ellen Bell-Dotan, Tzfat, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
let others who know what they are doing You mean you cowardly, limp-wristed, fifth column, anti-American, adolescent lib/Dems? ROTFLMAO On Nov 20, 4:27 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Iranians are just one more example of a missed opportunity cause by the errant war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq. Yet you myopic ignorant Bush Republicans can't see the damage you caused with your 'enlightened' policies. You had your chance, you FUCKED EVERYTHING UP, now shut the fuck up and let others who know what they are doing fixed the huge fucking mess you guys created! On Nov 20, 1:19 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
BULL SHIT, Bush used the signing statements to get around Congress and the Republicans hid legislation in Budget Bills and the War finance Bills. On Nov 20, 8:06 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya know holly you really need to get a new load of crap cause the same old one you kept hauling is really tarting to stink. the dems blocked everything when the republicans were in control. ever hear of a filibuster proof congress? well the republicans never had that and the dems stood in the way. so now that der furher is about to start the fourth reich, the dems want everyone to just get along. well I hope the republicans grow some balls, and tell the dems to go pound sand. the need to stand in the way of everything the socialist want to do. turn about is fair game, eh? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Nice try, But when Clinton did try to get Al qaida the Republicans started saying the term 'Wag the Dog Remember that asshole? Of course not! On Nov 20, 1:35 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The war with al Queda had been going on for years before we ever went into Iraq. President Bubba was too busy getting his johnson polished by interns to notice though. What's your excuse? On Nov 20, 4:30 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stupid, the war of terror was NEVER in Iraq. IT BECAME a war in Iraq after the ignorant Bush Republicans decided to make it a war on terror. You dumbasses were warned. Bush Sr. even wrote a book telling why he did not invade Iraq. But you ignorant dumbasses thought you knew better, Look at the fucking mess we now have to deal with. STFU and get the Fuck out of the way, you had your chance! On Nov 20, 4:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
Unlike you dumb ass I have a written history of being correct. This is from December 2003 Right now we are in Iraq for the duration, for better or worse. I believe if the outcome should be negative, no WMDs or connection to the 9/11 terrorists, World opinion will not be against the American people or this country, but against the Bush administration. The flip side would be a tremendous boost to the Administration. Should irrefutable evidence of a connection between the 9/11 terrorists and Saddam's active participation to aide, arm and facilitate this attack, Bush will win in a landslide. The finding of WMDs in and of itself would not be enough however to justify the war, and the expenditure of men, money and resources if no connection to bin-Laden is made. Far worst, if the United States should sustain an attack from al- Quada, this could mean a substantial and irreconcilable error for the administration, especially if no tie to bin-Laden, Saddam and WMDs is established. Other concerns are looming in the distance, Wall Street is rebounding, but this may not translate to the economy. We are facing a number of factors that can stop the recovery from happening. If the falling dollar continues unabated, confidence in investing in American Markets will dissipate. Any returns Foreign Investors will receive in the US Stock Markets or other monetary US investments will be negated by the currency differential. Add to this the need to finance our growing National Debt by foreign investors and you begin to see a huge precipice just ahead. If the fall of the dollar is not curtailed soon, the need to raise rates and lower initial Bond price offerings will occur so that foreigners will be enticed to buy our Bonds.This increase of rates could put a quick end to this recovery. With no recovery, a lower tax base due to the recent cuts, the largest deficit spending in history, and unfunded or underfunded liabilities such as Social Security and Medicare benefits for the Baby Boomers and you have the making for problems for the American people and the consumer. In the past this was not a problem because the US economy was the engine for the world. This is no longer the case. Jobs run the engine and we have been exporting jobs to the new rising engine in the English speaking countries in the Asian Hemisphere. In the pass we only exported the low paying manufacturing jobs, but now we export the higher earning electronic manufacturing, technical service and customer service jobs. Ultimately this will mean a lowering of the standard of living for Americans in an effort to be competitive in the World job market. This will mean even less money for the Government in the form of taxes. Also the issue of tax collection for the large multinationals occurs. Multinationals can effectively move their domicile to a tax friendly country paying a majority of their taxes there and place business components through out the world as it becomes bottom line appropriate. This is just one Scenario. It need not occur. Speaking about it, helps it not happen. There is a reason Gold is going up. http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gold-standard?hl=en On Nov 20, 1:39 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let others who know what they are doing You mean you cowardly, limp-wristed, fifth column, anti-American, adolescent lib/Dems? ROTFLMAO On Nov 20, 4:27 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Iranians are just one more example of a missed opportunity cause by the errant war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq. Yet you myopic ignorant Bush Republicans can't see the damage you caused with your 'enlightened' policies. You had your chance, you FUCKED EVERYTHING UP, now shut the fuck up and let others who know what they are doing fixed the huge fucking mess you guys created! On Nov 20, 1:19 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
World opinion will not be against the American people or this country, but against the Bush administration. What total BS... If the issue was not Iraqi, our opponents would have made another issue... Why are they our opponents??? Our National interests clash... On Nov 20, 4:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlike you dumb ass I have a written history of being correct. This is from December 2003 Right now we are in Iraq for the duration, for better or worse. I believe if the outcome should be negative, no WMDs or connection to the 9/11 terrorists, World opinion will not be against the American people or this country, but against the Bush administration. The flip side would be a tremendous boost to the Administration. Should irrefutable evidence of a connection between the 9/11 terrorists and Saddam's active participation to aide, arm and facilitate this attack, Bush will win in a landslide. The finding of WMDs in and of itself would not be enough however to justify the war, and the expenditure of men, money and resources if no connection to bin-Laden is made. Far worst, if the United States should sustain an attack from al- Quada, this could mean a substantial and irreconcilable error for the administration, especially if no tie to bin-Laden, Saddam and WMDs is established. Other concerns are looming in the distance, Wall Street is rebounding, but this may not translate to the economy. We are facing a number of factors that can stop the recovery from happening. If the falling dollar continues unabated, confidence in investing in American Markets will dissipate. Any returns Foreign Investors will receive in the US Stock Markets or other monetary US investments will be negated by the currency differential. Add to this the need to finance our growing National Debt by foreign investors and you begin to see a huge precipice just ahead. If the fall of the dollar is not curtailed soon, the need to raise rates and lower initial Bond price offerings will occur so that foreigners will be enticed to buy our Bonds.This increase of rates could put a quick end to this recovery. With no recovery, a lower tax base due to the recent cuts, the largest deficit spending in history, and unfunded or underfunded liabilities such as Social Security and Medicare benefits for the Baby Boomers and you have the making for problems for the American people and the consumer. In the past this was not a problem because the US economy was the engine for the world. This is no longer the case. Jobs run the engine and we have been exporting jobs to the new rising engine in the English speaking countries in the Asian Hemisphere. In the pass we only exported the low paying manufacturing jobs, but now we export the higher earning electronic manufacturing, technical service and customer service jobs. Ultimately this will mean a lowering of the standard of living for Americans in an effort to be competitive in the World job market. This will mean even less money for the Government in the form of taxes. Also the issue of tax collection for the large multinationals occurs. Multinationals can effectively move their domicile to a tax friendly country paying a majority of their taxes there and place business components through out the world as it becomes bottom line appropriate. This is just one Scenario. It need not occur. Speaking about it, helps it not happen. There is a reason Gold is going up.http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... On Nov 20, 1:39 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let others who know what they are doing You mean you cowardly, limp-wristed, fifth column, anti-American, adolescent lib/Dems? ROTFLMAO On Nov 20, 4:27 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Iranians are just one more example of a missed opportunity cause by the errant war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq. Yet you myopic ignorant Bush Republicans can't see the damage you caused with your 'enlightened' policies. You had your chance, you FUCKED EVERYTHING UP, now shut the fuck up and let others who know what they are doing fixed the huge fucking mess you guys created! On Nov 20, 1:19 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
This is from BEFORE THE FIRST SHOT WAS FIRED! I wrote this in February 2003. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: One Man's Humble Opinion Preface, here are a series of email comments posted on the Internet in regard to current political and global events. It seems we have two types of law. One for domestic matters and one for international matters. As a country we need congruence in how we handle events of these types. The American people are use to one type of justice. This justice is based on cause and effect, action and reaction. The action the President wants to take is proactive. In a country where you are innocent before you are proven guilty, there is no connect. VT The offer of exile looks good on paper. For a dictator of a country with enemies on all sides, he may see this as a death sentence. Listen I was downtown September 11. I watched the planes hit the towers from my conference room 2 blocks away. Viewing this act of terrorism from this vantage point creates a desire for revenge. I just want to think things through several moves ahead. I don't want to find this country painted into a corner by a foreign policy or military action that leaves us alone with no allies and a larger threat of terrorism than before. This action could united the Arab world against us. Our borders are too large to fence. VT War as a cavalier solution should not be taken lightly. We can conquer Iraq quickly. That should not be a problem. We will kill Saddam. That is a given. Now the dangerous part. We will have an occupying army in a US hostile part of the world. We will either be supported or unsupported by our allies. If we are supported the costs to the United States will not be a great and the logistics for war and occupation easier. Without support it will be much more difficult. Our troops will also be exposed to constant danger to ambush. There will be high casualties from this. It will come from many terrorists sources. While we are saber rattling it gave the Iraqis time to slip their own terror cells into our country. Don't kid yourselves, they are here. The President gave them plenty of advance warning. So now we have Iraq, Iran, and Al Qaeda terror cells in the US. The seratin found in England was probably distributed through out the NATO countries and the United States. Upon our attack it will probably be released. While the war is going on it will be expensive to finance. So we will have to issue Treasuries to pay for the expense. The last treasury auction went badly. We had to offer the notes at discount prices. The yields had to be higher so that the bonds would be bought. During this war interest rates for bonds will rise to finance the war. this will cause interest rates for all loans rise. The cost to use money will rise. The recovery will be postponed. The deficit will be a huge burden for years to come. This is not the same scenario as the last Iraq war. This is just the tip of the iceberg. So before you say lets do this and get it over with, just know what the cost of a war could be. I am for defending this country against all threats. I just understand what that actually means. VT http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-opinion?hl=en On Nov 20, 1:39 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let others who know what they are doing You mean you cowardly, limp-wristed, fifth column, anti-American, adolescent lib/Dems? ROTFLMAO On Nov 20, 4:27 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Iranians are just one more example of a missed opportunity cause by the errant war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq. Yet you myopic ignorant Bush Republicans can't see the damage you caused with your 'enlightened' policies. You had your chance, you FUCKED EVERYTHING UP, now shut the fuck up and let others who know what they are doing fixed the huge fucking mess you guys created! On Nov 20, 1:19 pm, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
When the American dream was a valid term, the nominal tax rate for business was 75%. Whether that is a lot, or whether it is not, it was what was required to achieve social harmony and equilibrium between the classes. At the end of the day business was still making money and the populace was generally content. Now you have a situation where 60% of business pays no tax at all (after Bushes, tax cuts/breaks) so free health care and education go out the window at the same time wages and jobs are being slashed. How can an economy operate when the bottom 40% of the population owns 0.2% of total wealth and are carrying a debt burden of nearly 200% of their yearly income? What good is it giving money to the banks to pay off their debts, when no one has money to spend and continue to use the credit facility the banks offer so they can continue to make profits? Obama is no socialist and he really has no intention of redistributing wealth, but for all those that are screaming Marxist, none of them have put up a viable alternative. If the richest 1% of Americans owns more wealth than the bottom 90%, if they have all the wealth, then how does the economy function? You just can't print more money. On Nov 21, 8:20 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Learn how to read, I said the Republicans hid, Not Bush, the Republicans in Congress. On Nov 20, 1:41 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hid legislation? DId he use invisable ink? On Nov 20, 4:39 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BULL SHIT, Bush used the signing statements to get around Congress and the Republicans hid legislation in Budget Bills and the War finance Bills. On Nov 20, 8:06 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya know holly you really need to get a new load of crap cause the same old one you kept hauling is really tarting to stink. the dems blocked everything when the republicans were in control. ever hear of a filibuster proof congress? well the republicans never had that and the dems stood in the way. so now that der furher is about to start the fourth reich, the dems want everyone to just get along. well I hope the republicans grow some balls, and tell the dems to go pound sand. the need to stand in the way of everything the socialist want to do. turn about is fair game, eh? On Nov 20, 10:46 am, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, Let's see ,the Democrats have been able to do all these naughty things with a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress for 6 of the 8 years. Gee, I guess that would make Republicans impotent, incompetent fucks, wouldn't it? On Nov 20, 6:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
So all you have to do to stop a President in his tracks from doing the right thing is say wag the dog? You are truely a moron and I'm sure Clinton would be embarrassed to have you as his defender. On Nov 20, 4:41 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice try, But when Clinton did try to get Al qaida the Republicans started saying the term 'Wag the Dog Remember that asshole? Of course not! On Nov 20, 1:35 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The war with al Queda had been going on for years before we ever went into Iraq. President Bubba was too busy getting his johnson polished by interns to notice though. What's your excuse? On Nov 20, 4:30 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stupid, the war of terror was NEVER in Iraq. IT BECAME a war in Iraq after the ignorant Bush Republicans decided to make it a war on terror. You dumbasses were warned. Bush Sr. even wrote a book telling why he did not invade Iraq. But you ignorant dumbasses thought you knew better, Look at the fucking mess we now have to deal with. STFU and get the Fuck out of the way, you had your chance! On Nov 20, 4:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
I understand this and so now do the majority of America, it is just the Bush Republicans who think a good ol boy was a good choice to run the country because they thought he was a good person to have a beer with. What a qualification to pick a President by, look how well that has turned out for the country. On Nov 20, 1:39 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the American dream was a valid term, the nominal tax rate for business was 75%. Whether that is a lot, or whether it is not, it was what was required to achieve social harmony and equilibrium between the classes. At the end of the day business was still making money and the populace was generally content. Now you have a situation where 60% of business pays no tax at all (after Bushes, tax cuts/breaks) so free health care and education go out the window at the same time wages and jobs are being slashed. How can an economy operate when the bottom 40% of the population owns 0.2% of total wealth and are carrying a debt burden of nearly 200% of their yearly income? What good is it giving money to the banks to pay off their debts, when no one has money to spend and continue to use the credit facility the banks offer so they can continue to make profits? Obama is no socialist and he really has no intention of redistributing wealth, but for all those that are screaming Marxist, none of them have put up a viable alternative. If the richest 1% of Americans owns more wealth than the bottom 90%, if they have all the wealth, then how does the economy function? You just can't print more money. On Nov 21, 8:20 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
You Republicans Blocked him and turned public opinion. Once again you Bush Republicans did what was in the best interest of the Republican party and not what was in the best interest of the Country! On Nov 20, 1:54 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So all you have to do to stop a President in his tracks from doing the right thing is say wag the dog? You are truely a moron and I'm sure Clinton would be embarrassed to have you as his defender. On Nov 20, 4:41 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice try, But when Clinton did try to get Al qaida the Republicans started saying the term 'Wag the Dog Remember that asshole? Of course not! On Nov 20, 1:35 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The war with al Queda had been going on for years before we ever went into Iraq. President Bubba was too busy getting his johnson polished by interns to notice though. What's your excuse? On Nov 20, 4:30 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey stupid, the war of terror was NEVER in Iraq. IT BECAME a war in Iraq after the ignorant Bush Republicans decided to make it a war on terror. You dumbasses were warned. Bush Sr. even wrote a book telling why he did not invade Iraq. But you ignorant dumbasses thought you knew better, Look at the fucking mess we now have to deal with. STFU and get the Fuck out of the way, you had your chance! On Nov 20, 4:14 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for 8 yrs the dems and the liberal drive by media have stood in the President's way while trying to fight the war on terror. these fools have made scurrilous and unproven statements, as well as committed traitorous acts. they have done more harm, and aided the enemy. now all of a sudden they want us all to rally behind der furher as he fights the war on terror. and to think, the ignorant people actually put more of these idiots in congress. unbelievable. we are doomed- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
An example on how Minn Democrats do NOT want to count every vote
And compare it to the debate in Flordia 2000 http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/11/022110.php --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
CW, And the Democrats have at some point during the past 8 years? Face it people BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are lying, thieving, self-centered, self-absorbed and greedy assholes. All ANY of us ever do is vote for the guys we hate a little bit less than the other guys at any given point in time. THAT'S the reality of the political situation in this country. On Nov 20, 3:07 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Woody. The Republicans never had a filibuster proof majority. We are going in circles now. dizzy CW - Original Message - From: Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 04:03 Subject: Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way Cold, We've already experienced what happen when the Republicans control both the WH and the Congress, haven't we? How much worse can the Democrats fuck up? On Nov 20, 1:02 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marks makes a valid point and by denying it's validity you lose any credibility in the discussion. Let's try something crazy here Woody and actually have an honest discussion. I tend to believe that divided government was the original intent of the framers for so many obvious reasons not the least of which is that compromise and a consensus-driven government will produce the checks and balances the founders intended. Are you saying the paradoxical circumstance we now face of having the Democrats in charge of both elected branches will provide more balanced and effective governance than the split governments we have so recently endured? CW- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The coming Apocalypse
Interesting because I was writting this in 2005! http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2005/09/collapse-of-american-preeminence-bush.html Wednesday, September 21, 2005 The Collapse of American Preeminence, The Bush Legacy The Collapse of American Preeminence, The Bush Legacy In the Next three years we will see the cascade effect of the errant Bush policies collapse the economic strength of the US. With hard won economic strategies America entered the 21st century in financial health to dominate the century. Bush squandered this strength and in doing so condemned this nation to potential financial ruin. Any organization should always anticipate the unknown. You set up a catastrophe fund, a rainy day fund, an emergency fund. We have none. America had an Annual Budget surplus that gave America the option to pay down long term debt, or address any emergency that arose. The long term debt were both the Social Security Bond Redemption the US treasury has to honor, and the Treasury bonds issue to the public. Bush took this 'surplus' and used it to buy his Presidency at the cost of America's future. The Tax cuts during a time of war are fiscally irresponsible. Now we will suffer the long term effects of this fiscal irresponsibility. The long term pain this country will suffer will far out weight the short term benefit of the tax cuts. Tax cuts the MAJORITY of America did not benefit from. Alone these tax cuts did not weaken this nation, but when two wars, rampant deficit spending by Republicans, TWO natural disasters Katrina and Rita and the resultant higher energy prices this nation was dealt a potentially crippling series of devastating lethal blows. Had Bush not chosen to continue with the irresponsible Tax cuts and the War of Choice in Iraq, and the Republicans had shown some fiscal responsibility they always claimed they had, this country could have weathered the TWO hurricanes with little fiscal turbulence. The cure now will be painful and severe. We are looking at an annual deficit of $700 Billion a year. That is a conservative estimate. It will take each American paying an additional $7000 a year to pay off this deficit or we can slash ALL spending a flat rate equivalent to the Deficit. This is the cure. If we do not do this, the Depression will look like a pleasant dream. On Nov 19, 6:18 pm, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Wally; though I am hesitant to say I told you so, I did. As the Dow races to 7000 my prophetic, prescient, almost clairvoyant predictions of an economic apocalypse are tragically coming to fruition. Yet, it will get much, much worse; trust me. The vaunted $700 billion, “shuck and jive” has been as effective in loosening credit markets as Al Gore has been at losing weight. He’s still a fat bastard and our financial markets are circling the bowl. Here’s what you need to know. It’s too late to prop up our financial markets. The fire started by Democrat holdovers, flunkies and thieves in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has spread from our financials to industrials and even to internet advertising; ala Google’s dive today. Also note Yahoo is almost free and CBS is on life support at $5.00 a share. My point; every sector of our economy is in full nose dive. Just for kicks, let’s quickly stroll down memory lane and examine the cause of this winter of our discontent. Democrat hacks at Fannie and Freddie used sex, lies and videotape to cook the books, receive millions in target bonus’s and got congress to look the other way by bribing Democrats in the senate, “when republicans were in charge” and by bribing a lot of Democrats when they were in charge. Who said public service doesn’t pay? As republicans and President Bush were ringing the bell and shouting fire, democrats and the media minimized the alarm while shouting, “Racists pigs”. Fannie and Freddie currently hold $6 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages but, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Through the halls of these evil twins passed $50 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages. These mortgages were explicitly given to unqualified buyers, bundled together in hundreds of billions of dollar packages and securities were sold around the world with the collateral being these toxic, worthless mortgages. All the while, Democrats fiddled, as the world burned. As these mortgages defaulted, the securities backed by them became worthless. Companies holding these securities, overnight had seen their balance sheets lose trillions. The financial markets went into freefall. As the tsunami swept through the financials credit markets froze. Industries hadn’t the ability to short term borrow. Major stock indexes tanked; oil futures spiraled and even deflation of macro commodities ensued. It turned out to be an excrement sandwich. And, it’s only begun. It will get biblical; trust me, I have predicted this all. As expected, Democrats will bail out the car companies, insuring that they will indeed fail. This will
Re: When will the Left accept this fact
Zeb, Be so kind as to point out where and how LW is wrong. Your just saying he is does not mean jack shit. On Nov 20, 3:37 pm, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stupid analyis. Totally wrong. Don't bother trying again. On Nov 20, 4:24 pm, \Lone Wolf\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US interference in Iraqi politics makes the Iraqi puppet government illegal under UN law. An occupying force MUST NOT influnce domestic politics or the running of the economy--the US has done both. In fact the US drafted the Iraqi constitution. Lets rubber stamp an imperialist occupation. On Nov 21, 8:19 am, jgg1000a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an Iraqi-American alliance because a majority of Iraqi perfer us as allies to countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Iran... http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sadr-takes-aim-at-new-us-iraq-agreement/2/ I think the fact that prominent Sadrist leader Hazim Aaraji said they were shocked by the developments reflects the complexity of Iran’s manipulation of Sadr and the SIIC by letting the latter agree on the deal while encouraging the former to oppose it — a miniature carrot-and-stick game. I doubt the Iranians are happy with the agreement per se; they are only happy with their self-proclaimed ability to play Iraqi Shiite parties against one another. I would even say that Iranians are doing exactly what diplomacy textbooks would instruct regarding presenting one’s own chips. What they didn’t understand of the textbooks, though, is that they also need to know how much the person across the table is interested in those chips. In fact, Iran is overlooking the fact that across the table sit more than America alone, when it comes to the nuclear question. What the Iranians don’t understand is that their carrots and sticks are not big enough to change world opinion on their nuclear ambitions. There is a multitude of states that couldn’t care less about American success in Iraq but to whom Iran’s going nuclear is a red line — the nuclear issue is not a U.S.-Iran duel on Iraqi soil. Anyway, I think the Iraqi decision to accept the deal was a result of the tough stance of the American administration. This actually surprised Iraqis who were used to a softer American tone. Moreover, many parties in Baghdad have matured to deal pragmatically and realistically with the issue of a strategic partnership with America — America is the best ally we could possibly have. Even though Iran holds a few strings, most of the strings now are in more capable Iraqi hands backed by the mighty United States of America.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The coming Apocalypse
Bush Jr used the same people as Bush Sr. after 4 years of failed governance under Bush the elder, is it any wonder 8 years with the same idiots created expodentially worst results? Obama is tapping on the individuals who fixed the mess from the first Bush administration to fix the bigger mess from the second Bush Administration! On Nov 20, 7:08 am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predicted 7500- maybe that was too optimistic. Your post is realistic. Obama's celebrity will last only so long esp as he appoints retreads to his cabinet.//How does one un-spoil brats? On Nov 19, 8:18 pm, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Wally; though I am hesitant to say I told you so, I did. As the Dow races to 7000 my prophetic, prescient, almost clairvoyant predictions of an economic apocalypse are tragically coming to fruition. Yet, it will get much, much worse; trust me. The vaunted $700 billion, “shuck and jive” has been as effective in loosening credit markets as Al Gore has been at losing weight. He’s still a fat bastard and our financial markets are circling the bowl. Here’s what you need to know. It’s too late to prop up our financial markets. The fire started by Democrat holdovers, flunkies and thieves in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has spread from our financials to industrials and even to internet advertising; ala Google’s dive today. Also note Yahoo is almost free and CBS is on life support at $5.00 a share. My point; every sector of our economy is in full nose dive. Just for kicks, let’s quickly stroll down memory lane and examine the cause of this winter of our discontent. Democrat hacks at Fannie and Freddie used sex, lies and videotape to cook the books, receive millions in target bonus’s and got congress to look the other way by bribing Democrats in the senate, “when republicans were in charge” and by bribing a lot of Democrats when they were in charge. Who said public service doesn’t pay? As republicans and President Bush were ringing the bell and shouting fire, democrats and the media minimized the alarm while shouting, “Racists pigs”. Fannie and Freddie currently hold $6 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages but, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Through the halls of these evil twins passed $50 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages. These mortgages were explicitly given to unqualified buyers, bundled together in hundreds of billions of dollar packages and securities were sold around the world with the collateral being these toxic, worthless mortgages. All the while, Democrats fiddled, as the world burned. As these mortgages defaulted, the securities backed by them became worthless. Companies holding these securities, overnight had seen their balance sheets lose trillions. The financial markets went into freefall. As the tsunami swept through the financials credit markets froze. Industries hadn’t the ability to short term borrow. Major stock indexes tanked; oil futures spiraled and even deflation of macro commodities ensued. It turned out to be an excrement sandwich. And, it’s only begun. It will get biblical; trust me, I have predicted this all. As expected, Democrats will bail out the car companies, insuring that they will indeed fail. This will spike unemployment into double digits and continue the domino sequential falling of economic indicators. While deflation will headline on the world stage, briefly, our most merciful government, under the messiah, “Barry O” massive capital infusions into the economy will rush, “fresh of the printing presses” into the economy, causing inflation percentages of 1000 percent; minimum. Prime Fed rates will approach 25% in an effort to curb inflation. The housing market will be destroyed, along with the seven or eight hundred businesses’s relying on it. A world wide depression will ensue. Yet, it will be a gradual decline; much like easing into a too hot bathtub. At the height of the second great depression America will have a 70% unemployment rate. Most workers, “still employed” will be employed by the government. There will be a 30% homeless rate and the end of western civilization will be at hand. In the first great depression America was much more rural, more self sufficient. Today we are more urban, more dependent on government, more hapless. We’ve lost that rugged individualism that our founders embodied and this nation was born with. We are spoiled, rich and sassy; unable to hunt, to fish, to grow our own food. Still, pause and reflect if you will, for in every calamity there is a teachable moment. Perhaps, just perhaps, as the phoenix rises from the ashes, whenever that future time is, it will be ingrained into the American psyche and told around the campfires dotted across these fruited plains. Liberalism is not tenable, it never was. Conservative Springfield 20 NOV 08- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
I am will do all that is in my power to take my country back. You can be sure I will be going against the old Democrat guard who may want business as usual. I want my country back! On Nov 20, 2:16 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CW, And the Democrats have at some point during the past 8 years? Face it people BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are lying, thieving, self-centered, self-absorbed and greedy assholes. All ANY of us ever do is vote for the guys we hate a little bit less than the other guys at any given point in time. THAT'S the reality of the political situation in this country. On Nov 20, 3:07 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Woody. The Republicans never had a filibuster proof majority. We are going in circles now. dizzy CW - Original Message - From: Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 04:03 Subject: Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way Cold, We've already experienced what happen when the Republicans control both the WH and the Congress, haven't we? How much worse can the Democrats fuck up? On Nov 20, 1:02 pm, Cold Water [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marks makes a valid point and by denying it's validity you lose any credibility in the discussion. Let's try something crazy here Woody and actually have an honest discussion. I tend to believe that divided government was the original intent of the framers for so many obvious reasons not the least of which is that compromise and a consensus-driven government will produce the checks and balances the founders intended. Are you saying the paradoxical circumstance we now face of having the Democrats in charge of both elected branches will provide more balanced and effective governance than the split governments we have so recently endured? CW- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
it's called soaking the taxpayers to enlarge the government, and spread the wealth to the worthless. On Nov 20, 5:22 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, It's called paying your bills and reducing debt. On Nov 20, 3:20 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for 8 yrs the dems have stood in the way
Woody said: CW, And the Democrats have at some point during the past 8 years? CW Wrote: No, I didn't say that!! In fact, the end of the Bush Administration will mark the end of a 40-year period during which, for thirty of those years, the White House and at least one House of Congress were controlled by different parties. CW When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.-- Gary Lloyd --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
mark, You prefer speading the wealth to the already wealthy? Right, as if the Republicans never enlarge the govt. On Nov 20, 4:54 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's called soaking the taxpayers to enlarge the government, and spread the wealth to the worthless. On Nov 20, 5:22 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, It's called paying your bills and reducing debt. On Nov 20, 3:20 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obama Coronation Extravaganza May Bankrupt DC
I heard there may be as many as 4 million now.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
mark,
Great! The tourism board in that city will be delighted, everyone from
resturants to cab-drivers to hotels and bar-tenders will be thrilled.
You're a spoil-sport.
On Nov 19, 10:12 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obama will be getting off to an early start bankrupting the country —
literally with his inauguration:
Soaring costs expected to accompany huge crowds in town for the
Jan. 20 inauguration of Barack Obama could stick cash-strapped
Washington, D.C., with a record-breaking bill for services.
Security and capacity measures recommended by the District's
congressional delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton and others will almost
certainly surpass the $15 million the federal government gives to the
District each year to defray the cost of events, Norton said.
In 2005, with an estimated 300,000 in attendance, the second
inauguration of President Bush cost the city more than $17 million,
some of which was reimbursed with federal funds. This year, officials
estimate nearly five times that many people for the swearing in of
President-elect Barack Obama.
But no expense is too great to commemorate this crucial moment in
history: The Year America Went Off the Rails. The price DC pays is
nothing to what this train wreck will cost us all before the smoke
clears.
http://www.moonbattery.com/
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New Al Gore Movie...very serious
From: Travis
Subject: New Al Gore Movie...very serious
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Re: Al Franken is another Gore
Please don't insult dogs.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Zebnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As much as I dislike Gore and think he is bad, bad, bad for this
country, I would never insult him by comparing him to that steaming
pile of fetid dog shit, Al Frankin.
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Fwd: Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)
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From: mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Subject: Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)
To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com
WASHINGTON, DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation, which
provides new benefits for many Americans. President Elect Obama will
have the opportunity to sign the The Americans With No Abilities Act
(AWNAA) which is being hailed as a major legislation by advocates of
the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.
'Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and
drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in
society,' said California Senator Barbara Boxer.
We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be
ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no
longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers,
simply because they do a better job, or have some idea of what they
are doing.
Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills,
making this agency the single largest U.S employer of Persons of
Inability.
The President pointed to the success of the US Postal Service, which
has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to
performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack job
skills, making this agency the single largest US employer of Persons
of Inability.
Private sector industries with good records of nondiscrimination
against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry
(68%),and home improvement warehouse stores (65%) The DMV also has a
great record of hiring Persons of Inability. (63%)
Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million
'middle man' positions will be created, with important-sounding titles
but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of
purpose and performance.
Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given,
to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees.
The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations which
maintain a significant level of Persons of Inability in middle
positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium businesses that
agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.
Finally, the AWNA ACT contains tough new measures to make it more
difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled, banning
discriminatory iinterview questions such as Do you have any goals for
the future? or Do you have any skills or experience which relate to
this job?
'As a Non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people
who have something going for them,' said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her
position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan.
This new law should really help people like me. With the passage of
this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens can finally
see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Said Senator Ted Kennedy, It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each
and every American citizen, regardless of his or her adequacy, with
some sort of space to take up in this great nation.
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Re: Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)
This is really much needed legislation. I hope it is quickly passed and
properly funded.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:19 PM, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WASHINGTON, DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation, which
provides new benefits for many Americans. President Elect Obama will
have the opportunity to sign the The Americans With No Abilities Act
(AWNAA) which is being hailed as a major legislation by advocates of
the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.
'Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and
drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in
society,' said California Senator Barbara Boxer.
We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be
ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no
longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers,
simply because they do a better job, or have some idea of what they
are doing.
Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills,
making this agency the single largest U.S employer of Persons of
Inability.
The President pointed to the success of the US Postal Service, which
has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to
performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack job
skills, making this agency the single largest US employer of Persons
of Inability.
Private sector industries with good records of nondiscrimination
against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry
(68%),and home improvement warehouse stores (65%) The DMV also has a
great record of hiring Persons of Inability. (63%)
Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million
'middle man' positions will be created, with important-sounding titles
but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of
purpose and performance.
Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given,
to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees.
The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations which
maintain a significant level of Persons of Inability in middle
positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium businesses that
agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.
Finally, the AWNA ACT contains tough new measures to make it more
difficult to discriminate against the Non-abled, banning
discriminatory iinterview questions such as Do you have any goals for
the future? or Do you have any skills or experience which relate to
this job?
'As a Non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people
who have something going for them,' said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her
position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan.
This new law should really help people like me. With the passage of
this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens can finally
see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Said Senator Ted Kennedy, It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each
and every American citizen, regardless of his or her adequacy, with
some sort of space to take up in this great nation.
http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=130
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The Navy's Floating Fiasco
From: *Travis* Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 Subject: The Navy's Floating Fiasco If all the info below is true, it's got to be outright shame to SECDEF, SECNAV, Dept of the Navy, Aquisition, Budget, GAO, and our professional inspectors for signing off and accepting this canoe in the name of the U.S. Navy *The Navy's Floating Fiasco* Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008 [image: The USS San Antonio is seen docked at Naval Station Ingleside, Texas] The USS San Antonio is seen docked at Naval Station Ingleside, Texas. · - The maiden voyage of the taxpayer's newest nearly $2 billion warship stalled for two days in August. That's when the stern gate of the USS San Antonio — needed to roll vehicles on and off the nearly 700-foot vessel — wouldn't work. The Navy eventually got the gate fixed in time for the vessel to leave Norfolk and sail to the Persian Gulf, where its mission is to hunt down smugglers. But now the San Antonio has been forced into port in Bahrain for at least two weeks of repairs to leaks in the hefty pipes feeding fuel to two of its four engines. Hinting at the seriousness of the problem, the Navy has just dispatched a team of 40 workers — including engineers, pipe-fitters and welders — to Bahrain to make the San Antonio shipshape. Forty technicians — that's ludicrous, says Norman Polmar, an independent naval expert. It means the problems are major, because the ship has mechanics, metal smiths and other people on board as part of the crew, and they're supposed to take care of minor problems. And you thought McHale's Navy was cancelled back in 1966. The San Antonio is the first in a new class of amphibious ships — blue-water buses — each of which carries 350 sailors and is responsible for ferrying 700 Marines and their gear to global hot spots. And the ship's sad plight represents in miniature all that is wrong with the way the Pentagon buys its weapons. The pattern of haste and waste accelerated in the Cold War's wake, and simply exploded following 9/11. It highlights the challenge facing President-elect Barack Obama as he contemplates retooling an Industrial Age militaryhttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1846201,00.html— primed for state-on-state warfare — into the more agile force better suited for 21st Century conflicts of the type now being waged in Afghanistan and Iraq. Navy inspections of the San Antonio have found a raft of problems so baked into its design that many Navy officials fear it can never be made right, despite its price tag having risen from $644 million to $1.8 billion. Some significant fraction of the welds in that ship were flawed and had to be redone, John Young, the Pentagon's top weapons buyer, told Congress in June. I shouldn't be forced to pay on behalf of=2 0taxpayers any price for any level of deficient performance. Still, that's just what the Navy did, forking over an additional $100 million to make it seaworthy *after *the Navy had taken delivery of the vessel from its builder, Northrop Grumman, in 2006. The service said it needed the new ship to replace an older one it was retiring, and could finish the work more cheaply in its own shipyard. The Navy has blamed Northrop Grumman for poor work; the company has blamed the Navy for a constantly-changing design, and Hurricane Katrina, which hit the Gulf yards in which the ship was built. Navy officials have said the San Antonio has so many problems because it is the first ship in its class, a claim Polmar dismisses. We've been building these kinds of ships since 1943, he says. It has no big missiles, no advanced radar, and no nuclear propulsion. Government Accountability Office said last year that the San Antonio's woes began because the Navy relied on immature computer blueprints that infected its entire construction. That led to delays that cost up to five times as much as it would have cost if the work had been done in proper sequence. The GAO found that the ship had been delivered to the war fighter incomplete and with numerous mechanical failures including safety concerns related to personnel, equipment, ammunition, navigation, and flight activities. Navy officials say the leaking oil that forced San Antonio into port in Bahrain poses no safety threat to its crew — a=2 0claim viewed dubiously by some sailors. Navy inspectors also recently criticized the USS New Orleans, the second vessel in the San Antonio's class. It cannot support embarked troops, cargo or landing craft — its primary mission — according to a report obtained by the independent *Navy Times*. Navy officials say the third and fourth vessels are performing much better. The rush to produce the fleet might make military sense if they were needed, but the last time Marines stormed ashore — the key reason the taxpayer is spending $14 billion on the San Antonio, and at least eight more ships just like it — was nearly 60 years ago, at
Re: where is the change????????????????
You're right, Hollywood. However, state and local officials can help. On Nov 20, 3:11�pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rigs, Wow, and all this time I thought it was the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to secure our international borders. Silly me. On Nov 20, 9:11�am, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a female border governor who has swamped this country with impoverished drug-running Mexicans! On Nov 20, 6:39 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now he adds a regurgitated washed up ex senator. still do not see any change. what a farce. the sheep have been fleeced and don't even know it. On Nov 19, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone America elected this election is bound to fail. Republicans are relieved to lose this one. On Nov 19, 5:08 am, jenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sound like another stinking racist. give up. your guy lost and the Dems are in charge again. its time to clean up the huge mess Bushy has left us. bring on health care for all, and the end to stupid endless wars. jenius On Nov 18, 3:30 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: der furher has appointed 47 people so far for his fourth reich, and 37 of them worked for clinton. sure doesn't look like change to me. looks like the same old same old.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The coming Apocalypse
Doc reiterates http://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/thread/6fc5c1094ae03d66?hl=en You folks are blind as shit. Can't you see that all this financial business is happening for a reason. Do you think these financial giants are so damned stupid they could not forecast this disaster. THEY' have cause this disaster and it is our disaster not theirs because that's the way they planned it! This god damned false flag financial disaster only empowers the elitist bastards and usurps our rights. You bunch of dumb shits! They need an excuse to move their operations overseas, they've been doing it now for years. My question is; how much money have all these giants made of the military / war? I think they have most all their facilities overseas that build military vehicles etc. Might they be hiding profits that are paid under the table? The boys at the top don't give a shit about Americans. Putting up a pseudo false flag fight looks good now so they can complete the cycle of moving their operations and utilize the the human resources / slave labor / wage slavery outside the US, but they have to put on a good show; don't they? And is this not the perfect storm for the globalist to level the playing fields / pay scales so they may have all of us on a global scale under their thumbs so as to control how much investment they have in their human resources as in human blood sweat and tears Wake the fuck up!! Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.-- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, The Organizer January 1934. ...I am convinced that the agreement [Bretton Woods] will enthrone a world dictatorship of private finance more complete and terrible than and Hitlerite dream. It offers no solution of world problems, but quite blatantly sets up controls which will reduce the smaller nations to vassal states and make every government the mouthpiece and tool of International Finance. It will undermine and destroy the democratic institutions of this country - in fact as effectively as ever the Fascist forces could have done - pervert and paganise our Christian ideals; and will undoubtedly present a new menace, endangering world peace. World collaboration of private financial interests can only mean mass unemployment, slavery, misery, degradation and financial destruction. Therefore, as freedom loving Australians we should reject this infamous proposal. -- Labor Minister of Australia, Eddie Ward, during the inception of the World Bank and Bretton Woods, he gave this warning. Peace, Doc On Nov 19, 8:18 pm, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Wally; though I am hesitant to say I told you so, I did. As the Dow races to 7000 my prophetic, prescient, almost clairvoyant predictions of an economic apocalypse are tragically coming to fruition. Yet, it will get much, much worse; trust me. The vaunted $700 billion, “shuck and jive” has been as effective in loosening credit markets as Al Gore has been at losing weight. He’s still a fat bastard and our financial markets are circling the bowl. Here’s what you need to know. It’s too late to prop up our financial markets. The fire started by Democrat holdovers, flunkies and thieves in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has spread from our financials to industrials and even to internet advertising; ala Google’s dive today. Also note Yahoo is almost free and CBS is on life support at $5.00 a share. My point; every sector of our economy is in full nose dive. Just for kicks, let’s quickly stroll down memory lane and examine the cause of this winter of our discontent. Democrat hacks at Fannie and Freddie used sex, lies and videotape to cook the books, receive millions in target bonus’s and got congress to look the other way by bribing Democrats in the senate, “when republicans were in charge” and by bribing a lot of Democrats when they were in charge. Who said public service doesn’t pay? As republicans and President Bush were ringing the bell and shouting fire, democrats and the media minimized the alarm while shouting, “Racists pigs”. Fannie and Freddie currently hold $6 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages but, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Through the halls of these evil twins passed $50 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages. These mortgages were explicitly given to
Re: Obama Coronation Extravaganza May Bankrupt DC
Travis,
Even better.
On Nov 20, 6:40 pm, Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I heard there may be as many as 4 million now.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
mark,
Great! The tourism board in that city will be delighted, everyone from
resturants to cab-drivers to hotels and bar-tenders will be thrilled.
You're a spoil-sport.
On Nov 19, 10:12 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obama will be getting off to an early start bankrupting the country —
literally with his inauguration:
Soaring costs expected to accompany huge crowds in town for the
Jan. 20 inauguration of Barack Obama could stick cash-strapped
Washington, D.C., with a record-breaking bill for services.
Security and capacity measures recommended by the District's
congressional delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton and others will almost
certainly surpass the $15 million the federal government gives to the
District each year to defray the cost of events, Norton said.
In 2005, with an estimated 300,000 in attendance, the second
inauguration of President Bush cost the city more than $17 million,
some of which was reimbursed with federal funds. This year, officials
estimate nearly five times that many people for the swearing in of
President-elect Barack Obama.
But no expense is too great to commemorate this crucial moment in
history: The Year America Went Off the Rails. The price DC pays is
nothing to what this train wreck will cost us all before the smoke
clears.
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Re: The coming Apocalypse
And the US bombed the towers on 9/11... On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc reiterateshttp://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/threa... You folks are blind as shit. Can't you see that all this financial business is happening for a reason. Do you think these financial giants are so damned stupid they could not forecast this disaster. THEY' have cause this disaster and it is our disaster not theirs because that's the way they planned it! This god damned false flag financial disaster only empowers the elitist bastards and usurps our rights. You bunch of dumb shits! They need an excuse to move their operations overseas, they've been doing it now for years. My question is; how much money have all these giants made of the military / war? I think they have most all their facilities overseas that build military vehicles etc. Might they be hiding profits that are paid under the table? The boys at the top don't give a shit about Americans. Putting up a pseudo false flag fight looks good now so they can complete the cycle of moving their operations and utilize the the human resources / slave labor / wage slavery outside the US, but they have to put on a good show; don't they? And is this not the perfect storm for the globalist to level the playing fields / pay scales so they may have all of us on a global scale under their thumbs so as to control how much investment they have in their human resources as in human blood sweat and tears Wake the fuck up!! Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.-- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, The Organizer January 1934. ...I am convinced that the agreement [Bretton Woods] will enthrone a world dictatorship of private finance more complete and terrible than and Hitlerite dream. It offers no solution of world problems, but quite blatantly sets up controls which will reduce the smaller nations to vassal states and make every government the mouthpiece and tool of International Finance. It will undermine and destroy the democratic institutions of this country - in fact as effectively as ever the Fascist forces could have done - pervert and paganise our Christian ideals; and will undoubtedly present a new menace, endangering world peace. World collaboration of private financial interests can only mean mass unemployment, slavery, misery, degradation and financial destruction. Therefore, as freedom loving Australians we should reject this infamous proposal. -- Labor Minister of Australia, Eddie Ward, during the inception of the World Bank and Bretton Woods, he gave this warning. Peace, Doc On Nov 19, 8:18 pm, Jim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Wally; though I am hesitant to say I told you so, I did. As the Dow races to 7000 my prophetic, prescient, almost clairvoyant predictions of an economic apocalypse are tragically coming to fruition. Yet, it will get much, much worse; trust me. The vaunted $700 billion, “shuck and jive” has been as effective in loosening credit markets as Al Gore has been at losing weight. He’s still a fat bastard and our financial markets are circling the bowl. Here’s what you need to know. It’s too late to prop up our financial markets. The fire started by Democrat holdovers, flunkies and thieves in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has spread from our financials to industrials and even to internet advertising; ala Google’s dive today. Also note Yahoo is almost free and CBS is on life support at $5.00 a share. My point; every sector of our economy is in full nose dive. Just for kicks, let’s quickly stroll down memory lane and examine the cause of this winter of our discontent. Democrat hacks at Fannie and Freddie used sex, lies and videotape to cook the books, receive millions in target bonus’s and got congress to look the other way by bribing Democrats in the senate, “when republicans were in charge” and by bribing a lot of Democrats when they were in charge. Who said public service doesn’t pay? As republicans and President Bush were ringing the bell and shouting fire, democrats and the media minimized the alarm while shouting, “Racists pigs”. Fannie and Freddie currently hold $6 trillion dollars in toxic mortgages but, that
Re: Obama Coronation Extravaganza May Bankrupt DC
Are Republicans this stupid? After the crap Bush and the Republican Controlled Congress did from Terri Schiavo to outing a CIA agent, illegal black operations, lying about the NIE, doubling the national debt, they have the nerve to point fingers? STFU! On Nov 19, 8:12 am, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama will be getting off to an early start bankrupting the country — literally with his inauguration: Soaring costs expected to accompany huge crowds in town for the Jan. 20 inauguration of Barack Obama could stick cash-strapped Washington, D.C., with a record-breaking bill for services. Security and capacity measures recommended by the District’s congressional delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton and others will almost certainly surpass the $15 million the federal government gives to the District each year to defray the cost of events, Norton said. In 2005, with an estimated 300,000 in attendance, the second inauguration of President Bush cost the city more than $17 million, some of which was reimbursed with federal funds. This year, officials estimate nearly five times that many people for the swearing in of President-elect Barack Obama. But no expense is too great to commemorate this crucial moment in history: The Year America Went Off the Rails. The price DC pays is nothing to what this train wreck will cost us all before the smoke clears. http://www.moonbattery.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The coming Apocalypse
FEMA camps fully staffed ready to go Posted September 29th, 2008 EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995allows the government to seize and control the communication media.EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. www.dailypaul.com Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 10:17 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the US bombed the towers on 9/11... On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc reiterateshttp://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/threa... You folks are blind as shit. Can't you see that all this financial business is happening for a reason. Do you think these financial giants are so damned stupid they could not forecast this disaster. THEY' have cause this disaster and it is our disaster not theirs because that's the way they planned it! This god damned false flag financial disaster only empowers the elitist bastards and usurps our rights. You bunch of dumb shits! They need an excuse to move their operations overseas, they've been doing it now for years. My question is; how much money have all these giants made of the military / war? I think they have most all their facilities overseas that build military vehicles etc. Might they be hiding profits that are paid under the table? The boys at the top don't give a shit about Americans. Putting up a pseudo false flag fight looks good now so they can complete the cycle of moving their operations and utilize the the human resources / slave labor / wage slavery outside the US, but they have to put on a good show; don't they? And is this not the perfect storm for the globalist to level the playing fields / pay scales so they may have all of us on a global scale under their thumbs so as to control how much investment they have in their human resources as in human blood sweat and tears Wake the fuck up!! Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.-- Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, The Organizer January 1934. ...I am convinced that the agreement [Bretton Woods] will enthrone a world dictatorship of private finance more complete and terrible than and Hitlerite dream. It offers no solution
Re: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works?
LMAO, it was BUsh and the Republicans who gave money to companies to offshore american jobs push for trade agreements that allowed uS companies to offshore these jobs and cut the taxes on the thieves who run the Hedge Funds Do you really believe that saying such asinine BS mean anything outside of the Coulter/Limbaugh believers circle? We have brains and use them. We knew there were no WMD's. We knew that trickle down does not work. We knew Bush did not send enough troops to Iraq. We knew Terri Schiavo was Brain Dead. How many times are you going to fall for the same types of lies from the same sources? Are you really that dUMB! On Nov 20, 2:54 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's called soaking the taxpayers to enlarge the government, and spread the wealth to the worthless. On Nov 20, 5:22 pm, Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark, It's called paying your bills and reducing debt. On Nov 20, 3:20 pm, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and who are the idiots who believe raising taxes will turn things around? On Nov 20, 4:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who still believes that the tax cuts to the rich works? November 20, 2008 Sean Lewis Bush Republicans the country is now suffering from the arrogant incompetence of an ignorant President and a self serving Republican Administration and Republican controlled Congress. I repeatedly warned of the Economic Cascade Effect that would occur, and now we are unfortunately seeing these warning played out. Years from now I wonder how many of you who voted for Bush TWICE will actually admit this to your children, family and friends. The Bush Presidency has done what the 9/11 attacks did not achieve, destroyed the Preeminence of the United States financially, economically, ethically, politically and militarily. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better Ally! You don't believe me? Then read my posts from the past http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/the-cascade-effect... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2006/02/killing-golden-goose-bush-vs-america... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/auto-bailout-ok-but-it-will-hurt.html http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-to-real-estate-meltdown-res... http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2008/11/republicans-today-is-judgement-day-f... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/acceptance-the-gol... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/buy-gold-so-you-ca... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/if-you-earned-less... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/it-is-the-bush-voo... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/ok-one-more-time-t... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/republican-free-tr... http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/which-would-you-ra... There are more but you get the point!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Was Obama the Only Socialist Running?
Was Obama the Only Socialist Running? Posted by Mike Tennant at 12:41 PM George Will doesn't think so. In fact, says he, spreading [wealth] is mostly what Washington does. Here, the Constitution is an afterthought; the supreme law of the land is the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. GOP must admit it has spread wealth By George Will Washington Post Writers Group Sunday, November 16, 2008 Washington - Conservatism’s current intellectual chaos reverberated in the GOP ticket’s end-of-campaign crescendo of surreal warnings that big government - verily, “socialism” - would impend were Democrats elected. John McCain and Sarah Palin experienced this epiphany when Barack Obama told a plumber that he would “spread the wealth around.” America can’t have that, exclaimed the Republican ticket while Republicans - whose prescription drug entitlement is the largest expansion of the welfare state since President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society gave birth to Medicare in 1965; a majority of whom in Congress supported a lavish farm bill at a time of record profits for the less than 2 percent of the American people-cum-corporations who farm - and their administration were partially nationalizing the banking system, putting Detroit on the dole and looking around to see whether some bit of what is smilingly called “the private sector” has been inadvertently left off the ever-expanding list of entities eligible for a bailout from the $1 trillion or so that is to be “spread around.” The seepage of government into everywhere is, we are assured, to be temporary and nonpolitical. Well. Probably as temporary as New York City’s rent controls, which were born as emergency responses to the Second World War, and which are still distorting the city’s housing market. The Depression, which FDR failed to end but which Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor did end, was the excuse for agriculture subsidies that have lived past three score years and 10. The distribution of a trillion dollars by a political institution - the federal government - will be nonpolitical? How could it be? Either markets allocate resources, or government - meaning politics - allocates them. Now that distrust of markets is high, Americans are supposed to believe that the institution they trust least - Congress - will pony up $1 trillion and then passively recede, never putting its 10 thumbs, like a manic Jack Horner, into the pie? Surely Congress will direct the executive branch to show compassion for this, that and the other industry. And it will mandate “socially responsible” spending - an infinitely elastic term - by the favored companies. Detroit has not yet started spending the $25 billion that Congress has approved but already is, like Oliver Twist, holding out its porridge bowl and saying, “Please, sir, I want some more.” McCain and Palin, plucky foes of spreading the wealth, must have known that such spreading is mostly what Washington does. Here, the Constitution is an afterthought; the supreme law of the land is the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Sugar import quotas cost the American people approximately $2 billion a year, but that sum is siphoned from 300 million consumers in small, hidden increments that are not noticed. Conservatives rightly think, or once did, that much, indeed most, government spreading of wealth is economically destructive and morally dubious - destructive because, by directing capital to suboptimum uses, it slows wealth creation; morally dubious because the wealth being spread belongs to those who created it, not government. But if conservatives call all such spreading by government “socialism,” that becomes a classification that no longer classifies: It includes almost everything, including the refundable tax credit on which McCain’s health care plan depended. Hyperbole is not harmless; careless language bewitches the speaker’s intelligence. And falsely shouting “socialism!” in a crowded theater such as Washington causes yawning. This is the only major industrial society that has never had a large socialist party ideologically, meaning candidly, committed to redistribution of wealth. This is partly because Americans are an aspirational, not an envious people. It is also because the socialism we do have is the surreptitious socialism of the strong, e.g. sugar producers represented by their Washington hirelings. In America, socialism is un-American. Instead, Americans merely do rent-seeking - bending government for the benefit of private factions. The difference is in degree, including the degree of candor. The rehabilitation of conservatism cannot begin until conservatives are candid about their complicity in what government has become. As for the president-elect, he promises to change Washington. He will, by making matters worse. He will intensify rent-seeking by finding new ways - this will not be easy - to expand, even more than the current administration has,
Re: The coming Apocalypse
“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.” Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 10:28 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have propellers on your tin foil hat? On Nov 20, 8:25 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEMA camps fully staffed ready to go Posted September 29th, 2008 EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995allows the government to seize and control the communication media.EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency.www.dailypaul.com Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 10:17 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the US bombed the towers on 9/11... On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc reiterateshttp://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/threa... You folks are blind as shit. Can't you see that all this financial business is happening for a reason. Do you think these financial giants are so damned stupid they could not forecast this disaster. THEY' have cause this disaster and it is our disaster not theirs because that's the way they planned it! This god damned false flag financial disaster only empowers the elitist bastards and usurps our rights. You bunch of dumb shits! They need an excuse to move their operations overseas, they've been doing it now for years. My question is; how much money have all these giants made of the military / war? I think they have most all their facilities overseas that build military vehicles etc. Might they be hiding profits that are paid under the table? The boys at the top don't give a shit about Americans. Putting up a pseudo false flag fight looks good now so they can complete the cycle of moving their operations and utilize the the human resources / slave labor / wage slavery outside the US, but they have to put on a good show; don't they? And is this not the perfect storm for the globalist to level the playing fields / pay scales so they may have all of us on a global scale under their thumbs so as to control how much investment they have in their human resources as in human blood sweat and tears Wake the fuck up!! Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as
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So which is it, Bush is detroying the economy or the US Corporation are destroying the economy or are the two working together? Did US jets shot down the third passenger plane? On Nov 20, 9:54 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.” Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 10:28 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have propellers on your tin foil hat? On Nov 20, 8:25 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEMA camps fully staffed ready to go Posted September 29th, 2008 EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995allows the government to seize and control the communication media.EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency.www.dailypaul.com Peace, Doc On Nov 20, 10:17 pm, VT Sean Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the US bombed the towers on 9/11... On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, Doc Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc reiterateshttp://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/threa... You folks are blind as shit. Can't you see that all this financial business is happening for a reason. Do you think these financial giants are so damned stupid they could not forecast this disaster. THEY' have cause this disaster and it is our disaster not theirs because that's the way they planned it! This god damned false flag financial disaster only empowers the elitist bastards and usurps our rights. You bunch of dumb shits! They need an excuse to move their operations overseas, they've been doing it now for years. My question is; how much money have all these giants made of the military / war? I think they have most all their facilities overseas that build military vehicles etc. Might they be hiding profits that are paid under the table? The boys at the top don't give a shit about Americans. Putting up a pseudo false flag fight looks good now so they can complete the cycle of moving their operations and utilize the the human resources / slave labor / wage slavery outside the US, but they have to put on a good show; don't they? And is this not the perfect storm for the globalist to level the playing fields / pay scales so they may have all of us on a
Re: Was Obama the Only Socialist Running?
Funny how Republicans are just now coming to their fiscal senses after 8 years of near comatose governnance. On Nov 20, 8:34 pm, M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Obamathe Only Socialist Running?Posted byMike Tennantat 12:41 PMGeorgeWill doesn't think so.In fact, says he, spreading [wealth] is mostly what Washington does. Here, the Constitution is an afterthought; the supreme law of the land is the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs.GOP must admit it has spread wealthBy George Will Washington Post Writers Group Sunday, November 16, 2008 Washington - Conservatism’s current intellectual chaos reverberated in the GOP ticket’s end-of-campaign crescendo of surreal warnings that big government - verily, “socialism” - would impend were Democrats elected. John McCain and Sarah Palin experienced this epiphany when Barack Obama told a plumber that he would “spread the wealth around.” America can’t have that, exclaimed the Republican ticket while Republicans - whose prescription drug entitlement is the largest expansion of the welfare state since President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society gave birth to Medicare in 1965; a majority of whom in Congress supported a lavish farm bill at a time of record profits for the less than 2 percent of the American people-cum-corporations who farm - and their administration were partially nationalizing the banking system, putting Detroit on the dole and looking around to see whether some bit of what is smilingly called “the private sector” has been inadvertently left off the ever-expanding list of entities eligible for a bailout from the $1 trillion or so that is to be “spread around.” The seepage of government into everywhere is, we are assured, to be temporary and nonpolitical. Well. Probably as temporary as New York City’s rent controls, which were born as emergency responses to the Second World War, and which are still distorting the city’s housing market. The Depression, which FDR failed to end but which Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor did end, was the excuse for agriculture subsidies that have lived past three score years and 10. The distribution of a trillion dollars by a political institution - the federal government - will be nonpolitical? How could it be? Either markets allocate resources, or government - meaning politics - allocates them. Now that distrust of markets is high, Americans are supposed to believe that the institution they trust least - Congress - will pony up $1 trillion and then passively recede, never putting its 10 thumbs, like a manic Jack Horner, into the pie? Surely Congress will direct the executive branch to show compassion for this, that and the other industry. And it will mandate “socially responsible” spending - an infinitely elastic term - by the favored companies. Detroit has not yet started spending the $25 billion that Congress has approved but already is, like Oliver Twist, holding out its porridge bowl and saying, “Please, sir, I want some more.” McCain and Palin, plucky foes of spreading the wealth, must have known that such spreading is mostly what Washington does. Here, the Constitution is an afterthought; the supreme law of the land is the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Sugar import quotas cost the American people approximately $2 billion a year, but that sum is siphoned from 300 million consumers in small, hidden increments that are not noticed. Conservatives rightly think, or once did, that much, indeed most, government spreading of wealth is economically destructive and morally dubious - destructive because, by directing capital to suboptimum uses, it slows wealth creation; morally dubious because the wealth being spread belongs to those who created it, not government. But if conservatives call all such spreading by government “socialism,” that becomes a classification that no longer classifies: It includes almost everything, including the refundable tax credit on which McCain’s health care plan depended. Hyperbole is not harmless; careless language bewitches the speaker’s intelligence. And falsely shouting “socialism!” in a crowded theater such as Washington causes yawning. This is the only major industrial society that has never had a large socialist party ideologically, meaning candidly, committed to redistribution of wealth. This is partly because Americans are an aspirational, not an envious people. It is also because the socialism we do have is the surreptitious socialism of the strong, e.g. sugar producers represented by their Washington hirelings. In America, socialism is un-American. Instead, Americans merely do rent-seeking - bending government for the benefit of private factions. The difference is in degree, including the degree of candor. The rehabilitation of conservatism cannot begin until conservatives are candid about their complicity in what
