Re: A note to Mike, Even Europe is tiring over Hamas' hateful and bloody Ideology
now that i can agree with ! On Jan 18, 5:40 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I think the leaders, political and religious from both sides, should be taken out and shot. We might then be able to start a real dilogue in the ME. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, frankg fran...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, It's not that he is emotionally vested in his position on this that bothers me but rather his failure to consider and evaluating what the opposing side has said - in this case you and jgg - and respond accordingly. And he does this time and time again. It's obvious you feel pretty strongly about this as well but that has not prevented you from presenting facts and making logical arguments. On Jan 18, 1:51 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with both you and frank. He is just allowing his deep felt emotions on the matter to get the best of him in this matter.. On 1/18/09, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Mike will waste your valuable time (his goal) and continue to spew the same garbage. Wise up! CW - Original Message - From: frankg fran...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:05 Subject: Re: A note to Mike, Even Europe is tiring over Hamas' hateful and bloody Ideology Mark, I tried to warn you. Do not attempt to reason with Mike using facts and logic, it won't work. He'll just keep repeating the same thing over and over like a busted record. Don't expect him to try to address the points you made; to do so would require him to either counter with facts and logic of his own or admit he was wrong, neither of which I think I have ever seen Mike do on this board. On Jan 18, 11:39 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: what the israelites are doing is covered in the Geneva convention under war crimes . On Jan 18, 10:24 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: No, Mike. War crimes and that which makes them so is carefully defined in the covenants. Nothing you are proffering meets the requirements. I am not justifying anything. I am saying your logic is flawed and that it is NOT supported by fact. By using the acts of Hamas I am pointing out things that DO qualify as war crimes. It is, for me, an arguement over legalities. confrontations like these have no good and bad, just bad and worse. legal definitions do NOT contain or allow room for emotions. I suggest you check yours at the door and take another look. On 1/18/09, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the one small detail as you call it is that they are committing war crimes ! and you are trying to justify the indefensible by saying but the Palestinians are bad people too . so fucking what ? they are all bad people people and the war crimes are still being committed ! On Jan 17, 4:14 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, on this issue you are NO different than Gaar. you are paying attention to one SMALL but not insignificant part of the story and considering that which sticks in your craw as the ONLY point of view. Phosphorous is legal. Bombing a house where there are combatants is NOT a crime. Throwing a grenade into your living room is illegal EXCEPT when an overt threat is directed at me it does NOT MATTER who is there with you. There were shots fired from the UN compound (not the first time, I have seen it in the Congo) The UN (my employers) were NOT allowed in the compound yet were (and are), responsible for those that enter and what is on their persons, they are trying to deny their responsibilities. To take action against shots from within or from nearby that compound is NOT a crime. To stop a boat from entering Israeli waters when that is its STATED and MANIFESTED purpose is NOT a crime. Israel gave notice to the international community and shipping about hours and places of admission... and have complied with that schedule the people on that boat CHOSE to ignore it, they could have been legally sunk. NEXT ! By definition these are NOT in any sense of the word, war crimes. It is Hamas that is steadfastly refusing the cease fire and demanding unchecked admission to Israel. On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: mark are you saying the Israelis have not used phosphorus or bombed civilian houses ? oh and lets not forget about bombing the UN camp as well as attacking ships in international waters . each and every one of these things is a war crime as you well know and nothing
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world stand in solidarity of the brave and courageous 1.5 million Gazan polulation who are challenging the collective might of the Israeli and American warmachine. Clearly Hamas and the Palestinian National resistance has triumphed and the Zionist colonial project of genocidal ethnic cleansing has once again been vanquished. Palestine in 2009 and Lebanon 2006 have forever shattered the myth of Israeli military supremacy and have proved that the Palestinain resistance that stands at the vanguard of the global resistance to US-Zionist Imperialism will ultimately suceed to create an Independent state of Palestinen with Jerusalem as its capital. We also salute the people across the world who took to the streets and besieged their governments. We also salute the rising tide of global Jewry against the Jewish Zionist counterparts. This struggle will prove critical for the just resolution of the Palestine - Israel conflict. We need to stand in solidarity with the Jewish people as they join the struggle against Zionist Imperialism. We also salute the leadership of South America lead by Chavez of Venezuela and Morales of Bolivia for taking a clear position against Israel, unlike the collaborator regimes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, we must add. The anger of the Arab street, social and political movements will lead to
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
It is patently obvious to the impartial observer that the only difference between the GOP and the Dems is that of rhetoric and not substance. Both parties are agreed that the US is justified in waging genocidal wars of imperialist barbarism to maintain its tenuous grip as the world’s hegemon due to the collapse of its economy and that public spending must be slashed so trillions of taxpayers’ dollars can be gifted to Wall St Criminals. The main concern of Liberals, just like their Conservatives nemesis, is the restoration of the US to its former omnipotent position as the benevolent overseer and maintainer of world peace and Democracy (as opposed to a harbinger of death, misery and destruction)—and nothing more. And just like Conservatives Liberals rejoice and worship in the deceitful lies that their representatives spew out, just as blindly and uncritically as Conservatives bathed in the filth spewed out by their misanthropic representatives. In absolute terms Liberals will bear no small degree of responsibility for the continuation of the death, destruction and misery that will characterize the Obama presidency. It will be only a matter of months, possibly weeks, before we will be confronted with the spectacle of outraged Liberal media howling over the betrayals of Obama that will be largely due to their own contemptible intellectual capitulation and cowardice On Jan 19, 9:24 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred
Gazan Doctor and Peace Advocate Loses 3 Daughters to Israeli Fire and Asks Why
Gazan Doctor and Peace Advocate Loses 3 Daughters to Israeli Fire and Asks Why http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/world/middleeast/18doctor.html?_r=1... TEL HASHOMER, Israel — Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish is a Gazan and a doctor who has devoted his life to medicine and reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians. Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish, right, in the hospital where he works in Israel. He lost three daughters, and a fourth was being treated. As he sat in a waiting room of the Israeli hospital where he works part time, he asked over and over, “Why did they do this?” Elsewhere in the hospital another daughter and a niece were being treated for their wounds. “I dedicated my life really for peace, for medicine,” said Dr. Abuelaish, who does joint research projects with Israeli physicians and for years has worked as something of a one-man force to bring injured and ailing Gazans for treatment in Israel. “This is the path I believed in and what I raised and educated my children to believe,” he said. Dr. Abuelaish said he wanted the Israeli Army to tell him why his home, which he said harbored no militants, had been fired upon. He said if a mistake had been made and an errant tank shell had hit his home, he expected an apology, not excuses. The doctor, a recent widower, had not left Gaza since the Israeli assault began last month and was at home in the Jabaliya refugee camp with his eight children and other family members during the attack on Friday. An army spokesman said that a preliminary investigation had shown that soldiers were returning fire toward the direction of areas from which they had been fired upon. “The Israeli Defense Forces does not target innocents or civilians, and during the operation the army has been fighting an enemy that does not hesitate to fire from within civilian targets,” said the spokesman, speaking anonymously on behalf of the army. The Israeli public became witness to the Abuelaish family’s tragedy on Friday night when a conversation that a television journalist was having with Dr. Abuelaish was broadcast live. In a video now available on YouTube, the doctor implored the journalist, whom he had called, to help send assistance, wailing, “My daughters have been killed.” Journalists had come to know the doctor, who was already well known in the country’s medical establishment, because he has been providing witness accounts of the Israeli operation for television stations. After the broadcast, an ambulance was sent to a border crossing to pick up the doctor and the two wounded girls. His four other children remain in Gaza and are expected to join him in Israel soon. At the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer on Saturday, Dr. Abuelaish was surrounded by Israeli colleagues. Several were crying. Tammie Ronen, a professor of social work at Tel Aviv University, knelt beside the doctor. “You cannot let yourself collapse, you have your living children to take care of,” said Dr. Ronen. Dr. Ronen had worked with him in researching the effects of conflict-related stress on Palestinian children in Gaza and Israeli children in Sderot, a border town that has been the main target of Gazan rocket fire in recent years. “Tell them who my children were,” said Dr. Abuelaish, spotting Anael Harpaz, an Israeli woman who runs a peace camp in New Mexico for Israeli and Palestinian girls that three of his daughters attended, including his eldest, Bisan, 20, who was killed Friday. The other two daughters who were killed were Mayar, 15, and Aya, 13. The doctor’s niece who died, Nur Abuelaish, was 17. Dr. Abuelaish recalled that it was Bisan who, after her mother died of leukemia, urged him to continue his work in Israel, saying she would look after the younger children. In a hospital room, Ms. Harpaz held 17-year-old Shada Abuelaish’s hand as a nurse placed drops of medicine on her tongue. The girl’s forehead was covered in bandages as was her right eye, which had been operated on in hopes of saving it. The niece who was wounded is in critical condition, with shrapnel wounds. Outside the room, Ms. Harpaz crumpled into a chair, sobbing. “I hope this is a wake-up call,” she said. “This is such a peace- loving family.” Dr. Abuelaish is a rarity: a Gazan at home among Israelis. He describes himself as a bridge between the two worlds, one of the few Gazans with a permit to enter Israel because of his work. “I wanted every Palestinian treated in Israel to go back and say how well the Israelis treated them,” he said. “That is the message I wanted to spread all the time. And this is what I get in return?” Later, sitting on a plastic chair near his daughter’s hospital room, Dr. Abuelaish spoke with the prayer of so many parents who have buried their children as part of Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “I hope that my children will be the last price.” More Articles in World » A version of this article appeared in print on January 18, 2009, on page A9 of the New York edition.
George W. Bush, American poet?
Please read (and thumb): George W. Bush, American Poet? A look at the controversy behind the authorship of Dear Laura,. http://www.nolanchart.com/article5830.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT Act with the Military Commissions Act public orders exempting himself from a thousand laws and secretly from the Presidential Records Act The Geneva Conventions FISA sparking a mass rebellion at the Justice Department secret star chambers for terrorism suspects, overturned by Hamdan v Rumsfeld. denying habeas corpus, overturned by Boumediene v Bush. 200 renditionings sleep deprivation abuse Rumsfeld warned in 2002 that he was torturing that it would jeopardize convictions out of 550 at Gitmo hundreds ultimately go free with no charges
Re: Conservatism and Liberalism, two sides of the same coin in the service of US imperialism
wolfy, show us all one example of where your marxist, socialist system has worked. come on this should be easy. just one example out of all mankinds history. On Jan 19, 4:49 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Conservatism and Liberalism, two sides of the same coin in the service of US imperialism. It is glaringly obvious that the main difference between the GOP and the Dems is that of rhetoric and not substance. Both parties are agreed that the US is justified in waging genocidal wars of imperialist barbarism to maintain its tenuous grip as the world’s hegemon due to the collapse of its economy. Both parties are also in complete agreement that public spending must be slashed so trillions of taxpayers’ dollars can be gifted to Wall St Criminals. President Bush declared in the introduction of the 2002 “National Security Strategy’ a document that asserts as the guiding policy of the United States the right to use military force anywhere in the world, at any time it chooses, against any country it believes to be, or it believes may at some point become, a threat to American interests —that America’s values “are right and true for every person, in every society...” The ‘American Civil Liberties Union’ recently declared in response to Obama’s intention to shut down Guantanamo (that he still supports the use of torture goes without saying), “nothing would make me prouder than to see you act on your first day in office to restore America's moral leadership in the world and act in defense of American freedom.” The main concern of Liberals, just like conservatives, is to restore the US to its former omnipotent position as the benevolent overseer and maintainer of world peace and Democracy (as opposed to a harbinger of death, misery and destruction)—and nothing more. And just like Conservatives Liberals rejoice and worship the deceitful lies that their representatives spew out, just as blindly and subserviently as Conservatives bathe in the filth spewed out by their misanthropic representatives. In absolute terms Liberals, in their self righteous ignorance, will bear a great deal of responsibility for the continuation of the death, destruction and misery that will characterize the Obama presidency. It will be only a matter of months, possibly weeks, before the Liberal media will be howling over the betrayals of Obama that will be largely due to their contemptible intellectual cowardice and capitulation. So Liberals, before you hurl your next parting salvo at the Neanderthal Bush and prepare for a new beginning based on the meaningless sound-bytes “this is our time, this is our moment” and “Yes we can” remember that people that live in glass houses should not throw stones. From Bush to Obama: On the eve of a “seamless transition” By Patrick Martin 17 January 2009 Three days before the inauguration of the 44th president of the United States, the distinctions have largely been effaced between the outgoing and incoming administrations. George W. Bush is, as even the corporate-controlled media admits, the most hated and despised president in American history. Barack Obama is, at least according to the opinion polls that measure popular moods, the beneficiary of a temporary honeymoon period in which hope outweighs experience and many are inclined to give him a chance. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jan2009/obam-j17.shtml Obama’s national security team and the failure of American democracy 2 December 2008 The formal introduction of the incoming Obama administration's national security team at a Chicago hotel on Monday provided a definitive exposure not merely of the fraudulent character of the change you can believe in mantra of the Democratic presidential campaign, but more importantly of the failure of American democracy itself. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/pers-d02.shtml “The Founding Fathers did lead the war for independence from Britain. But they did not do it for the equal right of all to life, liberty, and equality. Their intention was to set up a new government that would protect the property of slave owners, land speculators, merchants, and bondholders. Independence from England had already been secured in parts of the country by grassroots rebellion a year before the battles at Lexington and Concord that initiated hostilities with Britain. (See Ray Raphael's A Peoples History of the American Revolution, New Press, 2001.) It is one of the phenomena of modern times that revolutions are not favored unless they are led by people who are not revolutionaries at heart. I would rather recognize the greatness of all those who fought to make sure that the Founding Fathers would not betray the principles of the Declaration of Independence, to make sure that the dead and maimed of the Revolutionary War did not make their sacrifices in vain. And so I would honor the soldiers of the Pennsylvania and New
2 more days until the puppetmaster takes control
2 more days until georgie soros take over control of the US. the man behind the puppet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: the insanity that is nobama
you would think he would claim to be a former president who didn't end up with a bullet in his head, but hey, insanity knows no reason. On Jan 18, 6:11 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: he actually thinks he is Lincoln. scary. just another crazy lib. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
More Questions About Geithner
In their defense of Treasury Secretary–designate Timothy Geithner, members of the Obama transition team have said that his failure to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes during a 2001–03 stint at the International Monetary Fund was a “common mistake,” and, in addition, that Geithner received the approval of two accountants for his erroneous tax returns. Now, new details are emerging that cast doubt on both of those arguments. “He made a common mistake,” incoming White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said of Geithner this week. Obama officials also cited an Internal Revenue Service publication that said “as many as half” of the employees of international organizations make mistakes on their tax returns. But that figure appears to be a significant exaggeration of the specific situation at the International Monetary Fund, where Geithner worked. “There’s not a high incidence of non-payment of taxes,” Bill Murray, an IMF spokesman, told me Thursday. “We have a very low incidence of that here.” Finally, staffers for the Senate Finance Committee interviewed an official at the IMF as part of their Geithner research and were told that problems such as Geithner’s occurred perhaps once a year. Given all that, it’s probably more accurate to say that Geithner-like mistakes by high-ranking IMF officials are not only not common, but seem to be quite rare. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmY2ODY3MzkxZTViMGFkNDA3YjY3YzZlYTQ1ODEyNDU= --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
President George W. Bush protected and defended VT SEAN for 2,691 consecutive days against Terrorist attacks so he could show us his film of Hate Bush. Thant you President Bush for defending innocent Americans Something Bill Clinton was unable to do throughout his entire 8 year term. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT Act with the Military Commissions Act public orders exempting himself from a thousand laws and secretly from the
The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !
The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away ! http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/01/18/opinion/18dowd.html?themc=th As Barack Obama got to town, one of the first things he did was seek the counsel of past presidents, including George Bush senior. As W. was leaving town, one of the last things he did was explain why he never sought the counsel of his father on issues that his father knew intimately, like Iraq and Saddam. When Brit Hume did a joint interview last week with Bush father and son, dubbed “41st guy” and “43rd guy” by W., the Fox anchor asked whether it was true that “there wasn’t a lot of give and take” between them, except on family matters. “See,” the Oedipally oddball W. replied, “the interesting thing is that a president has got plenty of advisers, but what a president never has is someone who gave him unconditional love.” He talks about his father, the commander in chief who went to war with Saddam before he did, like a puppy. “You rarely have people,” he said, “who can pick up the phone and say, ‘I love you, son,’ or, ‘Hang in there, son.’ ” Maybe he wouldn’t have needed so many Hang-in-there-sons if he had actually consulted his dad before he ignorantly and fraudulently rammed into the Middle East. When W. admits the convoluted nature of his relationship with his father, diminishing a knowledgeable former president to the status of a blankie, you realize that, despite all the cocky swagger we’ve seen, this is not a confident man. That is vividly apparent as we watch W. and Obama share the stage as they pass the battered baton. One seems small and inconsequential, even though he keeps insisting he’s not; the other grows large and impressive, filling Americans with cockeyed hope even as he warns them not to expect too much too soon. Even Obama’s caution — a commodity notably absent from the White House for eight years — fills people with optimism. W. lives in the shadow of his father’s presence, while Obama lives in the shadow of his father’s absence. W.’s parlous presidency, spent trashing the Constitution, the economy and the environment, was bound up, and burdened by, the psychological traits of an asphyxiated and pampered son. The exiting and entering presidents are opposite poles — one the parody of a monosyllabic Western gunslinger who disdains nuance, and one a complex, polysyllabic professor sort who will make a decision only after he has held it up to the light and examined it from all sides. W. was immune to doubt and afraid of it. (His fear of doubt led to the cooking of war intelligence.) Obama is delighted by doubt. It’s astonishing that, as banks continue to fail and Americans continue to lose jobs and homes, W. was obtuse enough to go on TV and give a canned ode to can-do-ism. “Good and evil are present in this world,” he reiterated, “and between the two of them there can be no compromise.” He gives the good-and-evil view of things a bad name. Good and evil are not like the Redskins and the Cowboys. Good and evil intermingle in the same breath, let alone the same society. A moral analysis cannot be a simplistic analysis. “You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made,” he said Thursday night. “But I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions.” Actually, no. His decisions have been, for the most part, disastrous. If he’d paid as much attention to facts as fitness, 9/11, Iraq, the drowning of New Orleans, the deterioration in Afghanistan and the financial deregulation orgy could have been prevented. Bush fancied himself the Decider; Obama fancies himself the Convener. Some worry that a President Obama will overdo it and turn the Situation Room into the Seminar Room. (He’s already showing a distressing lack of concern over whether his cherished eggheads bend the rules, like Tim Geithner’s not paying all his taxes, because, after all, they’re the Best and the Brightest, not ordinary folk.) W., Cheney and Rummy loved making enemies, under the mistaken assumption that the more people hated America, the more the Bushies were standing up for principle. But is Obama neurotically reluctant to make enemies, and overly concerned with winning over those who have smacked him, from Hillary and Bill to conservative columnists? If W. and Cheney preferred Fox News on the TVs in the White House because they liked hearing their cheerleaders, Obama may leave the channel on Fox because he prefers seducing and sparring with antagonists to spooning with allies. Right now, though, it’s a huge relief to be getting an inquisitive, complicated mind in the White House. W. decided there was no need to be president of the whole country. He could just be president of his base. Obama is determined to be president of as much of the country as possible. We’re trading a dogmatic president for one who’s shopping for a dog. It feels good --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of
Re: dems want to eliminate the 22nd amendment
can you say president bill Clinton ? On Jan 18, 6:08 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: for you libs who do not know the constitution, the 22nd amendment limits the president to two terms. I guess the dems want not only a messiah but also a king for life. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically
Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically posted at 6:56 pm on January 18, 2009 by Allahpundit They’ve got a staff full of professional liberal comedy writers, a decade’s worth of material on Coulter to work with, and … this is what they cooked up. Reason enough to grieve for the Obama years: With The One an impermissible target for satire, we’ll be dining on comic dreck like this for the foreseeable future. They’re touting this on their site as a “web exclusive,” i.e. a skit that didn’t make the cut for broadcast. I wonder why. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/18/video-snl-tries-to-parody-coulter-fails-epically/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically
it looked and sounded just like him . great video ! On Jan 19, 7:59 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically posted at 6:56 pm on January 18, 2009 by Allahpundit They’ve got a staff full of professional liberal comedy writers, a decade’s worth of material on Coulter to work with, and … this is what they cooked up. Reason enough to grieve for the Obama years: With The One an impermissible target for satire, we’ll be dining on comic dreck like this for the foreseeable future. They’re touting this on their site as a “web exclusive,” i.e. a skit that didn’t make the cut for broadcast. I wonder why. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/18/video-snl-tries-to-parody-coult... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
With Obama's election, expatriates say, there's a new attitude abroad. Instead of challenges on Iraq and WMDs, they're met Wwith hugs and good wishes
Americans, Feeling the Love http://www.truthout.org/011809F With Obama's election, expatriates say, there's a new attitude abroad. Instead of challenges on Iraq and WMDs, they're met Wwith hugs and good wishes. London - As Micha Wyatt plans an inaugural bash at the Chicago Rib Shack in London, she is basking in the new warmth toward Americans overseas. It's cool to be an American again, Wyatt said. Finally! I'm tired of pretending I'm Canadian. From Jakarta to Johannesburg, Americans who travel or live abroad are finding that instead of being scolded about the Iraq war, the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or U.S. climate change policy, they are being hugged when strangers hear their accent. People would question me: 'Where are the weapons of mass destruction? What is America doing?' said Wyatt, 38, a San Francisco native who said she does not align herself with any party but comes from a Republican family. Since Barack Obama's election, she said, people want to hang out at American parties and talk about the latest news from Washington: There is a buzz about America now. Many Americans interviewed in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe said that for years they have felt targeted by critics of U.S. policies. They said they often did not volunteer that they were American, and several said they even dropped the word Ottawa into conversations to try to avoid confrontations. Now, even in countries such as Japan and Australia, where Americans were generally not taken to task over Bush policies as they were in Europe, Americans interviewed said they suddenly have new cachet. Some compared the feeling to the heady days after the fall of communism. It was cool to know an American in the early 1990s, said Tanya Pampalone, a Los Angeles native who has long lived abroad and resides in Johannesburg. But the Bush era has been tough, she said, as many saw the United States playing the bad guy role in the world. She, like others interviewed, said she hesitated waving the red, white and blue in public. But as goodwill toward Americans has returned, she recently allowed her 5-year-old daughter to bring a little American flag she had been waving in the car to a restaurant. A week before, I would have said to her, 'Just put the flag in the car. Let's not draw attention to ourselves,' Pampalone said. But this time, she told her daughter, 'Great, take the flag,' and when she walked around saying, 'Yes, we can!' everyone in the restaurant was smiling.' Organizations of expatriates, including Democrats Abroad, say there have never been so many, and such large, celebrations outside the United States to mark the swearing-in of an American president. In addition to sold-out balls in capitals around the globe, many other Obama bashes are planned. In Cambridge, England, people are gathering to listen to Obama's speech at a Hawaiian luau, a nod to Obama's roots in that state. In Antigua, Guatemala, Americans have hired a disc jockey to play Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan and other tunes Obama keeps on his iPod. In Jakarta, Indonesia, where Obama spent time as a boy, students from his former elementary school will perform a traditional dance at a party featuring some of his old classmates. David St. Onge, 57, a John McCain supporter who works in the pharmaceutical industry and was in Moscow this week, said he has noticed a change in how his Russian clients treat him. They seemed to think better of Americans because we elected a black man as president, he said as he walked through Red Square. They think we're more enlightened now. Andrew Leik, 40, an architect from Michigan living in Cologne, Germany, said that along with it definitely being much easier now to be an American overseas, he has noticed that German friends who had refused even to visit the United States are planning vacations there. In France, Rick Parks, 64, a retired New York City public school teacher, said he has noticed gestures of friendship and definitely a change in attitude toward the United States. Gone are the days when relations with France were so testy that french fries were briefly renamed freedom fries in U.S. House cafeterias. Parks said North African souvenir merchants at the landmark Sacre Coeur basilica in Paris smiled at him and hailed Obama's election as a victory for them all, saying: You are our people. Many people said they have been surprised that a new president in the White House would have such a direct impact on their lives thousands of miles away. Brandon Luker, 26, a PhD student from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who is in India researching Islamic issues, said Muslim scholars have given him slightly better access since Obama's election. Jennifer Granger, 34, a teacher from New York who lives in Prague, said she no longer hesitates to say she is American. Thank God! It feels
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
OMG! Was VT a victim of a terror incident during Clinton's administration? I had no idea! Wait... you mean he wasn't attacked under Clinton either? Hmm. On Jan 19, 7:16 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: President George W. Bush protected and defended VT SEAN for 2,691 consecutive days against Terrorist attacks so he could show us his film of Hate Bush. Thant you President Bush for defending innocent Americans Something Bill Clinton was unable to do throughout his entire 8 year term. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton,
Re: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !
Your title reminds me of yet another theme song for Bush's departure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDGgXYFFAM Go away Wont you just go away Go away Dont you come back one day Take your stuff Take all of your precious things Leave right now Who knows what tomorrow brings Stay away Wont you please stay away Live your life But live it real far away Save yourself Theres no way to get it all Look around The writing is on the wall And when you go I wont miss you at all And when you go Ill be having a ball You will see Thoughts of you Wont ever cross my mind Its the truth Dont mean to be unkind cause people have the right To party And you wont let them Have their fun See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya Auf wiedersehen, au revoir, shalom Go away Would you please go away Go away Youre outta here come what may Hit the road Dont bother to say goodbye Dont care how Dont even matter why Yes, people have the right to party And were not waiting till youre gone Ciao, bye bye, hasta la vista Fare thee well,adios, so long http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/gloria+estefan/go+away_20060703.html On Jan 19, 7:21 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/01/18/opinion/18dowd.html?themc=th As Barack Obama got to town, one of the first things he did was seek the counsel of past presidents, including George Bush senior. As W. was leaving town, one of the last things he did was explain why he never sought the counsel of his father on issues that his father knew intimately, like Iraq and Saddam. When Brit Hume did a joint interview last week with Bush father and son, dubbed “41st guy” and “43rd guy” by W., the Fox anchor asked whether it was true that “there wasn’t a lot of give and take” between them, except on family matters. “See,” the Oedipally oddball W. replied, “the interesting thing is that a president has got plenty of advisers, but what a president never has is someone who gave him unconditional love.” He talks about his father, the commander in chief who went to war with Saddam before he did, like a puppy. “You rarely have people,” he said, “who can pick up the phone and say, ‘I love you, son,’ or, ‘Hang in there, son.’ ” Maybe he wouldn’t have needed so many Hang-in-there-sons if he had actually consulted his dad before he ignorantly and fraudulently rammed into the Middle East. When W. admits the convoluted nature of his relationship with his father, diminishing a knowledgeable former president to the status of a blankie, you realize that, despite all the cocky swagger we’ve seen, this is not a confident man. That is vividly apparent as we watch W. and Obama share the stage as they pass the battered baton. One seems small and inconsequential, even though he keeps insisting he’s not; the other grows large and impressive, filling Americans with cockeyed hope even as he warns them not to expect too much too soon. Even Obama’s caution — a commodity notably absent from the White House for eight years — fills people with optimism. W. lives in the shadow of his father’s presence, while Obama lives in the shadow of his father’s absence. W.’s parlous presidency, spent trashing the Constitution, the economy and the environment, was bound up, and burdened by, the psychological traits of an asphyxiated and pampered son. The exiting and entering presidents are opposite poles — one the parody of a monosyllabic Western gunslinger who disdains nuance, and one a complex, polysyllabic professor sort who will make a decision only after he has held it up to the light and examined it from all sides. W. was immune to doubt and afraid of it. (His fear of doubt led to the cooking of war intelligence.) Obama is delighted by doubt. It’s astonishing that, as banks continue to fail and Americans continue to lose jobs and homes, W. was obtuse enough to go on TV and give a canned ode to can-do-ism. “Good and evil are present in this world,” he reiterated, “and between the two of them there can be no compromise.” He gives the good-and-evil view of things a bad name. Good and evil are not like the Redskins and the Cowboys. Good and evil intermingle in the same breath, let alone the same society. A moral analysis cannot be a simplistic analysis. “You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made,” he said Thursday night. “But I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions.” Actually, no. His decisions have been, for the most part, disastrous. If he’d paid as much attention to facts as fitness, 9/11, Iraq, the drowning of New Orleans, the deterioration in Afghanistan and the financial deregulation orgy could have been prevented. Bush fancied himself the Decider; Obama fancies himself the Convener. Some worry that a President Obama will overdo it and turn the Situation Room into the Seminar Room. (He’s already showing a distressing lack
Re: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically
LOL! I thought it was great! On Jan 19, 7:59 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically posted at 6:56 pm on January 18, 2009 by Allahpundit They’ve got a staff full of professional liberal comedy writers, a decade’s worth of material on Coulter to work with, and … this is what they cooked up. Reason enough to grieve for the Obama years: With The One an impermissible target for satire, we’ll be dining on comic dreck like this for the foreseeable future. They’re touting this on their site as a “web exclusive,” i.e. a skit that didn’t make the cut for broadcast. I wonder why. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/18/video-snl-tries-to-parody-coult... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically
LMAO! Where we battle against gangs of Osama-bin-Single-Mothers. LOL! On Jan 19, 8:42 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! I thought it was great! On Jan 19, 7:59 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Video: SNL tries to parody Coulter, fails epically posted at 6:56 pm on January 18, 2009 by Allahpundit They’ve got a staff full of professional liberal comedy writers, a decade’s worth of material on Coulter to work with, and … this is what they cooked up. Reason enough to grieve for the Obama years: With The One an impermissible target for satire, we’ll be dining on comic dreck like this for the foreseeable future. They’re touting this on their site as a “web exclusive,” i.e. a skit that didn’t make the cut for broadcast. I wonder why. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/18/video-snl-tries-to-parody-coult...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !
But the nightmare may not yet be overIs daddy G. now going to start grooming former governor Jeb to run again in four, eight years. With Sarah as his running mate. Maybe it is a bit too bad that the border wall was not completed at the expense of the US taxpayer, now maybe we will have to pay for the Northern wall. But daddy G, and Sarah are both involved in border states. On Jan 19, 8:38 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Your title reminds me of yet another theme song for Bush's departure:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDGgXYFFAM Go away Wont you just go away Go away Dont you come back one day Take your stuff Take all of your precious things Leave right now Who knows what tomorrow brings Stay away Wont you please stay away Live your life But live it real far away Save yourself Theres no way to get it all Look around The writing is on the wall And when you go I wont miss you at all And when you go Ill be having a ball You will see Thoughts of you Wont ever cross my mind Its the truth Dont mean to be unkind cause people have the right To party And you wont let them Have their fun See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya Auf wiedersehen, au revoir, shalom Go away Would you please go away Go away Youre outta here come what may Hit the road Dont bother to say goodbye Dont care how Dont even matter why Yes, people have the right to party And were not waiting till youre gone Ciao, bye bye, hasta la vista Fare thee well,adios, so long http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/gloria+estefan/go+away_20060703.html On Jan 19, 7:21 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/01/18/opinion/18dowd.html?themc=th As Barack Obama got to town, one of the first things he did was seek the counsel of past presidents, including George Bush senior. As W. was leaving town, one of the last things he did was explain why he never sought the counsel of his father on issues that his father knew intimately, like Iraq and Saddam. When Brit Hume did a joint interview last week with Bush father and son, dubbed “41st guy” and “43rd guy” by W., the Fox anchor asked whether it was true that “there wasn’t a lot of give and take” between them, except on family matters. “See,” the Oedipally oddball W. replied, “the interesting thing is that a president has got plenty of advisers, but what a president never has is someone who gave him unconditional love.” He talks about his father, the commander in chief who went to war with Saddam before he did, like a puppy. “You rarely have people,” he said, “who can pick up the phone and say, ‘I love you, son,’ or, ‘Hang in there, son.’ ” Maybe he wouldn’t have needed so many Hang-in-there-sons if he had actually consulted his dad before he ignorantly and fraudulently rammed into the Middle East. When W. admits the convoluted nature of his relationship with his father, diminishing a knowledgeable former president to the status of a blankie, you realize that, despite all the cocky swagger we’ve seen, this is not a confident man. That is vividly apparent as we watch W. and Obama share the stage as they pass the battered baton. One seems small and inconsequential, even though he keeps insisting he’s not; the other grows large and impressive, filling Americans with cockeyed hope even as he warns them not to expect too much too soon. Even Obama’s caution — a commodity notably absent from the White House for eight years — fills people with optimism. W. lives in the shadow of his father’s presence, while Obama lives in the shadow of his father’s absence. W.’s parlous presidency, spent trashing the Constitution, the economy and the environment, was bound up, and burdened by, the psychological traits of an asphyxiated and pampered son. The exiting and entering presidents are opposite poles — one the parody of a monosyllabic Western gunslinger who disdains nuance, and one a complex, polysyllabic professor sort who will make a decision only after he has held it up to the light and examined it from all sides. W. was immune to doubt and afraid of it. (His fear of doubt led to the cooking of war intelligence.) Obama is delighted by doubt. It’s astonishing that, as banks continue to fail and Americans continue to lose jobs and homes, W. was obtuse enough to go on TV and give a canned ode to can-do-ism. “Good and evil are present in this world,” he reiterated, “and between the two of them there can be no compromise.” He gives the good-and-evil view of things a bad name. Good and evil are not like the Redskins and the Cowboys. Good and evil intermingle in the same breath, let alone the same society. A moral analysis cannot be a simplistic analysis. “You may not agree with some of the tough decisions I have made,” he said Thursday night.
Re: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !
jeb will never run for president his name will forever keep him out of office On Jan 19, 8:50 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote: But the nightmare may not yet be overIs daddy G. now going to start grooming former governor Jeb to run again in four, eight years. With Sarah as his running mate. Maybe it is a bit too bad that the border wall was not completed at the expense of the US taxpayer, now maybe we will have to pay for the Northern wall. But daddy G, and Sarah are both involved in border states. On Jan 19, 8:38 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Your title reminds me of yet another theme song for Bush's departure:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDGgXYFFAM Go away Wont you just go away Go away Dont you come back one day Take your stuff Take all of your precious things Leave right now Who knows what tomorrow brings Stay away Wont you please stay away Live your life But live it real far away Save yourself Theres no way to get it all Look around The writing is on the wall And when you go I wont miss you at all And when you go Ill be having a ball You will see Thoughts of you Wont ever cross my mind Its the truth Dont mean to be unkind cause people have the right To party And you wont let them Have their fun See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya Auf wiedersehen, au revoir, shalom Go away Would you please go away Go away Youre outta here come what may Hit the road Dont bother to say goodbye Dont care how Dont even matter why Yes, people have the right to party And were not waiting till youre gone Ciao, bye bye, hasta la vista Fare thee well,adios, so long http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/gloria+estefan/go+away_20060703.html On Jan 19, 7:21 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/01/18/opinion/18dowd.html?themc=th As Barack Obama got to town, one of the first things he did was seek the counsel of past presidents, including George Bush senior. As W. was leaving town, one of the last things he did was explain why he never sought the counsel of his father on issues that his father knew intimately, like Iraq and Saddam. When Brit Hume did a joint interview last week with Bush father and son, dubbed “41st guy” and “43rd guy” by W., the Fox anchor asked whether it was true that “there wasn’t a lot of give and take” between them, except on family matters. “See,” the Oedipally oddball W. replied, “the interesting thing is that a president has got plenty of advisers, but what a president never has is someone who gave him unconditional love.” He talks about his father, the commander in chief who went to war with Saddam before he did, like a puppy. “You rarely have people,” he said, “who can pick up the phone and say, ‘I love you, son,’ or, ‘Hang in there, son.’ ” Maybe he wouldn’t have needed so many Hang-in-there-sons if he had actually consulted his dad before he ignorantly and fraudulently rammed into the Middle East. When W. admits the convoluted nature of his relationship with his father, diminishing a knowledgeable former president to the status of a blankie, you realize that, despite all the cocky swagger we’ve seen, this is not a confident man. That is vividly apparent as we watch W. and Obama share the stage as they pass the battered baton. One seems small and inconsequential, even though he keeps insisting he’s not; the other grows large and impressive, filling Americans with cockeyed hope even as he warns them not to expect too much too soon. Even Obama’s caution — a commodity notably absent from the White House for eight years — fills people with optimism. W. lives in the shadow of his father’s presence, while Obama lives in the shadow of his father’s absence. W.’s parlous presidency, spent trashing the Constitution, the economy and the environment, was bound up, and burdened by, the psychological traits of an asphyxiated and pampered son. The exiting and entering presidents are opposite poles — one the parody of a monosyllabic Western gunslinger who disdains nuance, and one a complex, polysyllabic professor sort who will make a decision only after he has held it up to the light and examined it from all sides. W. was immune to doubt and afraid of it. (His fear of doubt led to the cooking of war intelligence.) Obama is delighted by doubt. It’s astonishing that, as banks continue to fail and Americans continue to lose jobs and homes, W. was obtuse enough to go on TV and give a canned ode to can-do-ism. “Good and evil are present in this world,” he reiterated, “and between the two of them there can be no compromise.” He gives the good-and-evil view of things a bad name. Good and evil are not like the
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
In the future; when someone tells you that voting is not important; I know some who actually brag about never having voted; please remember what can happen when apathy sets in... it makes the work of undermining the rule of law that much easier. We may have order but without law it is worthless. and those who would destroy democracy will win, big. It is so important that all adults, after some sober, careful thought, go to the election booth and make their mark, properly. We have now seen what the alternative will bring. On Jan 19, 5:37 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: It is patently obvious to the impartial observer that the only difference between the GOP and the Dems is that of rhetoric and not substance. Both parties are agreed that the US is justified in waging genocidal wars of imperialist barbarism to maintain its tenuous grip as the world’s hegemon due to the collapse of its economy and that public spending must be slashed so trillions of taxpayers’ dollars can be gifted to Wall St Criminals. The main concern of Liberals, just like their Conservatives nemesis, is the restoration of the US to its former omnipotent position as the benevolent overseer and maintainer of world peace and Democracy (as opposed to a harbinger of death, misery and destruction)—and nothing more. And just like Conservatives Liberals rejoice and worship in the deceitful lies that their representatives spew out, just as blindly and uncritically as Conservatives bathed in the filth spewed out by their misanthropic representatives. In absolute terms Liberals will bear no small degree of responsibility for the continuation of the death, destruction and misery that will characterize the Obama presidency. It will be only a matter of months, possibly weeks, before we will be confronted with the spectacle of outraged Liberal media howling over the betrayals of Obama that will be largely due to their own contemptible intellectual capitulation and cowardice On Jan 19, 9:24 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11
Re: With Obama's election, expatriates say, there's a new attitude abroad. Instead of challenges on Iraq and WMDs, they're met Wwith hugs and good wishes
your posting giberous again lew On Jan 19, 8:39 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: These hugs and kisses from the cowards who won't defend themslves. Who will defend them if Obama won't? We are in a heck of a pickle. On Jan 19, 8:13 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: Americans, Feeling the Lovehttp://www.truthout.org/011809F With Obama's election, expatriates say, there's a new attitude abroad. Instead of challenges on Iraq and WMDs, they're met Wwith hugs and good wishes. London - As Micha Wyatt plans an inaugural bash at the Chicago Rib Shack in London, she is basking in the new warmth toward Americans overseas. It's cool to be an American again, Wyatt said. Finally! I'm tired of pretending I'm Canadian. From Jakarta to Johannesburg, Americans who travel or live abroad are finding that instead of being scolded about the Iraq war, the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or U.S. climate change policy, they are being hugged when strangers hear their accent. People would question me: 'Where are the weapons of mass destruction? What is America doing?' said Wyatt, 38, a San Francisco native who said she does not align herself with any party but comes from a Republican family. Since Barack Obama's election, she said, people want to hang out at American parties and talk about the latest news from Washington: There is a buzz about America now. Many Americans interviewed in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe said that for years they have felt targeted by critics of U.S. policies. They said they often did not volunteer that they were American, and several said they even dropped the word Ottawa into conversations to try to avoid confrontations. Now, even in countries such as Japan and Australia, where Americans were generally not taken to task over Bush policies as they were in Europe, Americans interviewed said they suddenly have new cachet. Some compared the feeling to the heady days after the fall of communism. It was cool to know an American in the early 1990s, said Tanya Pampalone, a Los Angeles native who has long lived abroad and resides in Johannesburg. But the Bush era has been tough, she said, as many saw the United States playing the bad guy role in the world. She, like others interviewed, said she hesitated waving the red, white and blue in public. But as goodwill toward Americans has returned, she recently allowed her 5-year-old daughter to bring a little American flag she had been waving in the car to a restaurant. A week before, I would have said to her, 'Just put the flag in the car. Let's not draw attention to ourselves,' Pampalone said. But this time, she told her daughter, 'Great, take the flag,' and when she walked around saying, 'Yes, we can!' everyone in the restaurant was smiling.' Organizations of expatriates, including Democrats Abroad, say there have never been so many, and such large, celebrations outside the United States to mark the swearing-in of an American president. In addition to sold-out balls in capitals around the globe, many other Obama bashes are planned. In Cambridge, England, people are gathering to listen to Obama's speech at a Hawaiian luau, a nod to Obama's roots in that state. In Antigua, Guatemala, Americans have hired a disc jockey to play Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan and other tunes Obama keeps on his iPod. In Jakarta, Indonesia, where Obama spent time as a boy, students from his former elementary school will perform a traditional dance at a party featuring some of his old classmates. David St. Onge, 57, a John McCain supporter who works in the pharmaceutical industry and was in Moscow this week, said he has noticed a change in how his Russian clients treat him. They seemed to think better of Americans because we elected a black man as president, he said as he walked through Red Square. They think we're more enlightened now. Andrew Leik, 40, an architect from Michigan living in Cologne, Germany, said that along with it definitely being much easier now to be an American overseas, he has noticed that German friends who had refused even to visit the United States are planning vacations there. In France, Rick Parks, 64, a retired New York City public school teacher, said he has noticed gestures of friendship and definitely a change in attitude toward the United States. Gone are the days when relations with France were so testy that french fries were briefly renamed freedom fries in U.S. House cafeterias. Parks said North African souvenir merchants at the landmark Sacre Coeur basilica in Paris smiled at him and hailed Obama's election as a victory for them all, saying: You are our people. Many people said they have been surprised that a new president in the White House would have such a direct impact on their lives thousands of miles away.
Bush: He's leaving the same way he arrived eight years ago: Clueless
: He's leaving the same way he arrived eight years ago: Clueless and somehow unable to discern up from down, right from left and right from wrong. Adios, Dubya. Vaya con Dios. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/59890.html George W. Bush, who famously styled himself as The Decider, said a formal farewell to America in a nationally televised address from that bully pulpit, the White House. It was largely a paraphrasing of Frank Sinatra’s rendition of My Way: Mistakes there've been a few, but too few to mention . . . . The eminence gris of his administration, Dick Cheney, was front and center. The cowboy president from Crawford, Texas, ticked through his many accomplishments and a few small failures, working diligently to write a first draft of history his way. He kept America safe somehow, even though he's leaving us with two ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq where American troops and innocent civilians continue to die. He kept us safe ever since 9/11, the President told us with pride. But what about 9/11 itself, when more than 3,000 people were murdered in their offices or on four airliners? On whose watch did that assault on Americans, on American soil, take place? Who was it that ignored repeated and specific warnings of an imminent attack on us? Who was it that spent most of that fateful day getting to and hiding in a subterranean bomb shelter in Omaha, Nebraska? The departing president informed us that he created jobs and a vibrant economy for most of his time in office. But who is it who's leaving us an economy in dire straits, with more than 3 million home foreclosures in the past year and more than a million American jobs lost in the same period? He told his audience how proud he was of those who've borne the brunt of service and sacrifice in his wars, the military and their families, and how proud he was to be their commander-in-chief. But whose administration was it that pinched every penny when it came to pay raises, increased benefits and medical care for those who're serving today and those who sacrificed for us in the past? He told us that the mission during his eight long years in power was to spread the light of democracy and freedom to the benighted and downtrodden around the globe. But who was it that told him the best way to do that was with soldiers, tanks, bombs and napalm? Who counseled this man that the best way to spread freedom and democracy abroad was by trampling on individual rights at home and shredding the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights? He belligerently challenged any notion that his actions abroad have damaged our reputation among the nations of the world. Not true, he declared. America is still the shining city on the hill, still a beacon of democracy and freedom. Where did he get that idea? Never mind that stuff about torturing detainees in Afghanistan, at Guantanamo, in secret foreign prisons operated by the Central Intelligence Agency or in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Never mind that in exit interviews, both our president and our vice president confirmed that they'd personally approved extreme methods of persuading someone to talk, like creating the illusion of drowning by waterboarding them. Never mind that they virtually confessed that they're guilty of war crimes, as defined by international treaties that we've signed and adhered to for decades. Those were hard decisions, President Bush told us, but he was always ready to make a hard decision. Even a hard, wrong decision. That was George W. Bush's story, and he's going to stick to it for the rest of his life. His spinmeister Karl Rove will publish his own history of the Bush administration. Then Bush will write his own version. And no doubt Vice President Dick Vader will gin up a book in which everything he writes is a lie, including the a’s, and’s and the’s. Some historians are already prepared to judge the Bush presidency as the worst in more than two centuries, to judge him worse than all 42 previous presidents. The rest will come to the same judgment in the years ahead. Folks say I shouldn't be so hard on our president. That surely I could find something nice to say about him and those who've aided and abetted him, all those as-yet unindicted co-conspirators and candidates for pre-emptive presidential pardons. All right. It's nice to see you leaving the White House at long last, Mr. President. It's nice to think of you hiding out in deserved oblivion under some expensive rock in Texas. Adios, Dubya. Vaya con Dios. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world stand in solidarity of the brave and courageous 1.5 million Gazan polulation who are challenging the collective might of the Israeli and American warmachine. Clearly Hamas and the Palestinian National resistance has triumphed and the Zionist colonial project of genocidal ethnic cleansing has once again been vanquished. Palestine in 2009 and Lebanon 2006 have forever shattered the myth of Israeli military supremacy and have proved that the Palestinain resistance that stands at the vanguard of the global resistance to US-Zionist Imperialism will ultimately suceed to create an Independent state of Palestinen with Jerusalem as its capital. We also salute the people across the world who took to the streets and besieged their governments. We also salute the rising tide of global Jewry against the Jewish Zionist counterparts. This struggle will prove critical for the just resolution of the Palestine - Israel
Re: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !
I agree... at this point, Bush is a four-letter word. On Jan 19, 8:56 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: jeb will never run for president his name will forever keep him out of office On Jan 19, 8:50 am, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote: But the nightmare may not yet be overIs daddy G. now going to start grooming former governor Jeb to run again in four, eight years. With Sarah as his running mate. Maybe it is a bit too bad that the border wall was not completed at the expense of the US taxpayer, now maybe we will have to pay for the Northern wall. But daddy G, and Sarah are both involved in border states. On Jan 19, 8:38 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Your title reminds me of yet another theme song for Bush's departure:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEDGgXYFFAM Go away Wont you just go away Go away Dont you come back one day Take your stuff Take all of your precious things Leave right now Who knows what tomorrow brings Stay away Wont you please stay away Live your life But live it real far away Save yourself Theres no way to get it all Look around The writing is on the wall And when you go I wont miss you at all And when you go Ill be having a ball You will see Thoughts of you Wont ever cross my mind Its the truth Dont mean to be unkind cause people have the right To party And you wont let them Have their fun See ya, wouldnt wanna be ya Auf wiedersehen, au revoir, shalom Go away Would you please go away Go away Youre outta here come what may Hit the road Dont bother to say goodbye Dont care how Dont even matter why Yes, people have the right to party And were not waiting till youre gone Ciao, bye bye, hasta la vista Fare thee well,adios, so long http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/gloria+estefan/go+away_20060703.html On Jan 19, 7:21 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: The Long, Lame Goodbye of G W . for Gods sake just go away !http://www.nytimes.com:80/2009/01/18/opinion/18dowd.html?themc=th As Barack Obama got to town, one of the first things he did was seek the counsel of past presidents, including George Bush senior. As W. was leaving town, one of the last things he did was explain why he never sought the counsel of his father on issues that his father knew intimately, like Iraq and Saddam. When Brit Hume did a joint interview last week with Bush father and son, dubbed “41st guy” and “43rd guy” by W., the Fox anchor asked whether it was true that “there wasn’t a lot of give and take” between them, except on family matters. “See,” the Oedipally oddball W. replied, “the interesting thing is that a president has got plenty of advisers, but what a president never has is someone who gave him unconditional love.” He talks about his father, the commander in chief who went to war with Saddam before he did, like a puppy. “You rarely have people,” he said, “who can pick up the phone and say, ‘I love you, son,’ or, ‘Hang in there, son.’ ” Maybe he wouldn’t have needed so many Hang-in-there-sons if he had actually consulted his dad before he ignorantly and fraudulently rammed into the Middle East. When W. admits the convoluted nature of his relationship with his father, diminishing a knowledgeable former president to the status of a blankie, you realize that, despite all the cocky swagger we’ve seen, this is not a confident man. That is vividly apparent as we watch W. and Obama share the stage as they pass the battered baton. One seems small and inconsequential, even though he keeps insisting he’s not; the other grows large and impressive, filling Americans with cockeyed hope even as he warns them not to expect too much too soon. Even Obama’s caution — a commodity notably absent from the White House for eight years — fills people with optimism. W. lives in the shadow of his father’s presence, while Obama lives in the shadow of his father’s absence. W.’s parlous presidency, spent trashing the Constitution, the economy and the environment, was bound up, and burdened by, the psychological traits of an asphyxiated and pampered son. The exiting and entering presidents are opposite poles — one the parody of a monosyllabic Western gunslinger who disdains nuance, and one a complex, polysyllabic professor sort who will make a decision only after he has held it up to the light and examined it from all sides. W. was immune to doubt and afraid of it. (His fear of doubt led to the cooking of war intelligence.) Obama is delighted by doubt. It’s astonishing that, as banks continue to fail and Americans continue to lose jobs and homes, W. was obtuse enough to go on TV and give a
Why folks trashed Bush -- they needed to belong to a political tribe
Bush got under Democrat's skins because all too often he was right and they hated him for it... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/18/IN0B159A69.DTL To trash Bush was to belong. There was little upside in supporting Bush, even if you had supported his agenda. http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2009/01/to-trash-bush-was-to-belong.html http://eddriscoll.com/archives/014776.php --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
List of Bush Administration Scandals
Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty * Eric G. Andell - deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) - pleaded guilty to one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. * Claude Allen - Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty to shoplifting from Target stores. * Lester Crawford - Commissioner, FDA - resigned in late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, he pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts, making a false writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford was sentenced to to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. * Brian Doyle - Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle was arrested on April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle was sentenced to five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. * Steven Griles - Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yet convicted in the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. * John T. Korsmo Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 pleaded guilty in 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friends congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the Special Guest. Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. * Scooter Libby - Vice President Dick Cheneys chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilsons covert CIA operatives identity. Convicted on four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libbys sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. * David Safavian - former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget - convicted of lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. * Robert Stein - former comptroller and funding officer for the now disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority, Southern Central Region in Al-Hillah, Iraq - pleaded guilty to conspiracy, bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, possession of a machine gun, and being a felon in possession of a fire arm. On January 30, 2007 Stein was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to forfeit $3.6 million. * Roger Stillwell - desk officer, Interior Department - pleaded guilty to failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety * Philip Cooney - chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooney resigned after it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. * George Deutsch - press aide, NASA - resigned amid allegations he prevented the agencys top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming. * Michael Elston - chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty - announced his resignation on June 15, 2007. Despite allegations that hed threatened at least four of the eight fired US Attorneys, McNulty said Elston had served the Justice Department with distinction for nearly eight years. * Kyle Dustin Dusty Foggo - appointed executive director of the CIA, the agencys third-highest post, in October 2004 - resigned and was ultimately indicted on bribery charges related to the Duke Cunningham scandal. * Alberto Gonzales - former Attorney General - resigned without explanation amidst investigations of the firings of U.S. Attorneys, the politicization of the Justice Department, warrantless surveillance, and the torture and mistreatment of detainees. * Monica Goodling - former Justice Department liaison to the White House and senior counsel to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales - resigned on April 7, 2007 amidst the investigation of the firings of U.S. Attorneys. * Michelle Larson Korsmo - deputy chief
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. *Robert Stein- former comptroller and funding officer for the now disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority, Southern Central Region in Al-Hillah, Iraq -pleaded guiltyto conspiracy, bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, possession of a machine gun, and being a felon in possession of a fire arm. On January 30, 2007 Stein was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to forfeit $3.6 million. *Roger Stillwell- desk officer, Interior Department -pleaded guiltyto failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety *Philip Cooney- chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooneyresignedafter it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. *George Deutsch- press aide, NASA -resignedamid allegations he prevented the agency’s top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming. *Michael Elston- chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty - announced hisresignationon June 15, 2007. Despite allegations that he’d threatened at least four of the eight fired US Attorneys, McNulty said Elston had served the Justice Department “with distinction for nearly eight years.” *Kyle Dustin “Dusty” Foggo- appointed executive director of the CIA, the agency’s third-highest post, in October 2004 -resignedand was ultimatelyindictedon bribery charges related to the Duke Cunningham scandal. *Alberto Gonzales- former Attorney General -resignedwithout explanation amidst investigations of the firings of U.S. Attorneys, the politicization of the Justice Department, warrantless surveillance, and the torture
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. *Robert Stein- former comptroller and funding officer for the now disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority, Southern Central Region in Al-Hillah, Iraq -pleaded guiltyto conspiracy, bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, possession of a machine gun, and being a felon in possession of a fire arm. On January 30, 2007 Stein was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to forfeit $3.6 million. *Roger Stillwell- desk officer, Interior Department -pleaded guiltyto failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety *Philip Cooney- chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooneyresignedafter it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. *George Deutsch- press aide, NASA -resignedamid allegations he prevented the agency’s top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming. *Michael Elston- chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty - announced hisresignationon June 15, 2007. Despite allegations that he’d threatened at least four of the eight fired US Attorneys, McNulty said Elston had served the Justice Department “with distinction for nearly eight years.” *Kyle Dustin “Dusty” Foggo- appointed executive director of the CIA, the agency’s third-highest post, in October 2004 -resignedand was ultimatelyindictedon bribery charges
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. *Robert Stein- former comptroller and funding officer for the now disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority, Southern Central Region in Al-Hillah, Iraq -pleaded guiltyto conspiracy, bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, possession of a machine gun, and being a felon in possession of a fire arm. On January 30, 2007 Stein was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to forfeit $3.6 million. *Roger Stillwell- desk officer, Interior Department -pleaded guiltyto failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety *Philip Cooney- chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooneyresignedafter it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. *George Deutsch- press aide, NASA -resignedamid allegations he prevented the agency’s top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming. *Michael Elston- chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty - announced hisresignationon June 15, 2007. Despite allegations that he’d threatened at least four of the eight fired US Attorneys, McNulty said Elston had served the
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
Olbermann is too much of a jackass to listen to for more than 30 seconds. His romantic obsession with Bill O'Reilly alone is enough to gag you. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT Act with the Military Commissions Act public orders exempting himself from a thousand laws and secretly from the Presidential Records Act The Geneva Conventions FISA sparking a mass rebellion at the Justice Department secret star chambers for
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
Don't shoot the messenger, just because that list of scandals makes a blow job seem completely irrelevant. It's not Cosmo's fault. On Jan 19, 11:29 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. *Robert Stein- former comptroller and funding officer for the now disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority, Southern Central Region in Al-Hillah, Iraq -pleaded guiltyto conspiracy, bribery, conspiracy to commit money laundering, possession of a machine gun, and being a felon in possession of a fire arm. On January 30, 2007 Stein was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to forfeit $3.6 million. *Roger Stillwell- desk officer, Interior Department -pleaded guiltyto failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety *Philip Cooney- chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooneyresignedafter it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. *George Deutsch- press aide, NASA -resignedamid allegations he prevented the agency’s top climate scientist from speaking publicly about
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
I'm always amused to see liberals rationalize away their shortcomings. Do you think Paula Jones enjoyed Billy Jeff's advances? How about Ms Broderick? If the National Organization for Women ever got wind of a corporate executive that pulled his dick out in front of women who worked under him, whether they wanted him to or not, there would be a very public explosion of righteous indignation and cries for his execution. But now we get from them and you...hey, it's just about a blow job. LOL! The very height of hypocricy. On Jan 19, 11:59 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Abusing? LOL... not if they enjoyed it. On Jan 19, 11:46 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: There is only one word for someone who thinks that the issue regarding a man on trial for serially abusing the women who work for him and lying to a federal judge and asking others to lie for him is a blow job. That word is stupid. On Jan 19, 11:40 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't shoot the messenger, just because that list of scandals makes a blow job seem completely irrelevant. It's not Cosmo's fault. On Jan 19, 11:29 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist
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JFK would call you a fuckin fool for that kind of nonsense. On Jan 17, 11:23 pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: Trickle down economics only creates a nation of peeons. The way you get jobs created is put the upper 1% tax bracket back to 91%. They be scrambling to create jobs for tax write offs. On Jan 17, 8:16 pm, studio tl...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 17, 11:10 pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: The republican party deserves nothing less than total political extinction. That seems the way they've been headed lately anyway. They aren't very good at creating jobs despite their rhetoric of how tax breaks are supposed to fuel job creation. It makes sense, but like Marxism, it looks good on paper but sucks in reality.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Four years ago, the Associated Press and others in the press suggested it was in poor taste for Republicans to spend $40 million on President Bush’s inauguration. AP writer Will Lester calculated the impact that kind of money would have on armoring Humvees in Iraq, helping victims of the tsunami, or paying down the deficit. Lester thought the party should be cancelled: “The questions have come from Bush supporters and opponents: Do we need to spend this money on what seems so extravagant?” Fast forward to 2009. The nation is still at war (two wars, in fact), and now also faces the prospect of a severe recession and federal budget deficits topping $1 trillion as far as the eye can see. With Barack Obama’s inauguration estimated to cost $45 million (not counting the millions more that government will have to pay for security), is the Associated Press once again tsk-tsking the high dollar cost? Nope. “For inaugural , go for glitz, forget economy,” a Tuesday AP headline advised. The article by reporter Laurie Kellman argued for extravagance, starting with the lede... [...] That spin is a far cry from four years ago, when the AP seemed interested in spurring resentment of the Bush inaugural’s supposedly high cost. [...] To get a real feel for the contrast, here’s an excerpt of Lester’s January 13, 2005 piece (as recounted in the MRC’s CyberAlert), starting with a lede designed to rain all over Bush’s parade and including the suggestion from two liberal Democrats that Bush eat cold chicken salad and pound cake instead: [...] New York Rep. Anthony , a Democrat, suggested inaugural parties should be scaled back, citing as a precedent Roosevelt's inauguration during World War II. President Roosevelt held his 1945 inaugural at the White House, making a short speech and serving guests cold chicken salad and plain pound cake, according to a letter from and Rep. Jim McDermott, D- Wash. During World War I, President Wilson did not have any parties at his 1917 inaugural, saying that such festivities would be undignified See some similarity? You think the AP saw Noyes's piece and were shamed a bit by it? http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/01/18/did-newsbusters-help-ap-see-inauguration-spending-hypocrisy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Airbus May Build Next Air Force One
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Subject: Airbus May Build Next Air Force One
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I forward to the Federal Trade Commission who investigstes spam and pfiish. Their email for this is : s...@uce.gov On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, margareth mzeba...@sympatico.ca wrote: Travis: I guess you aren't very important, mine claimed to be from Robert Mueller, at the FBI. I was a bit surprised,,,as impersonating a cop is a serious offense in this country. I contacted the RCMP It is too bad that there are people who fall for that at this point. On Jan 18, 3:34 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Sun, Jan 18, 2009 Subject: New Nigerian Scam letter This is almost funny. B Original Message Subject: AN OFFICIAL ADVICE Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:38:38 -0600 From: Federal Bureau Of Investigations zenithplcu...@onet.eu Reply-To: fbiwd...@yahoo.com.hk To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) *ANTI-TERRORIST AND MONITARY CRIMES DIVISION* *FBI HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.* *FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION* *J. EDGAR HOOVER BUILDING* *935 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, NW WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535-0001* ** *Dear *Fund Benneficiary*,* Some time ago, your Nigerian friends, I mean the people that introduced you to the project approached you and requested you assist them conclude a money transfer deal they had with you, they requested you to assist them by removing the original contractors name , from the bank vetting computer and replacing them with your name and your details in order to make you appear as the rightful beneficiary of this funds. you agreed and they said you will share the money with them as soon as your name appears as the beneficiary. So this is just a clue to show you that we are very investigative and have all details to persecute you, but we shall give you the opportunity to receive the funds and make it clean, since it is coming into our dear country, but if you do not co-operate then we shall take negative actions. Maybe you think, that we are joking , but by the time we start taking actions you would know how serious we are,you do not have his document in your files,if you did the account would not have been freezed. We did not believe this at first , but when we saw the wire we had no option than to contact you. It has come to the attention of our Money Trafficking investigation department, that you have some funds valued at U.S $10.5 Million to your name , The said payment is awaiting adjudication and credited to your name this funds are from Inheritance 'willed 'to you from Nigeria C.B.N precisely. With full concern of The F.B.I and the *Internal Revenue Service(IRS)* wish to remind you of the consequences of remitting such huge sums of money without complying fully with the provisions of the Financial and Allied Matters Decree 5 as amended in Citibank Group New York sub-section C(6) of 2003, which stipulates that any monitory transaction been done in the United States Of America, must have proper records , which dually guarantees and covers the transaction as legitimate and legally acquired and not criminally or terrorist associated funds. This is due to ongoing terrorist activities/economic crimes on and against the *United States of America citizens . * ** ** You are under an observational /Investigation in connection with money laundering. If your funds comes from a legitimate and legal source ,the proper guidelines for you to recover the right of transaction is for you to provide the *DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY SEAL OF TRANSFER (DIST*) so that your funds will be legally processed and recorded and accounted for and then finally released to you . *FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (ANTI-TERRORIST AND MONEY LAUNDERING DEPARTMENT )* IS HERE to wipe out terrorism , and will stop at no length in doing our duty for the American people . You have 48 hours to produce legal proof of the below frozen wired transaction number coded:*3456711*owned by you , You do not have any rights to recieve this funds if the documented legal wire information is not complete. The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations--which serve, as our mission states, 'to* *protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States.' We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law. So you can see that the that we can track you down through Investigative programes.We have your address and the evidence and status of your wired funds, so we can arrest you anytime. *Note* ,the funds are very legal and from a good source, so as a matter of National interest you have to provide the documents to certify the money as clean funds. The funds are With *Citibank New York* right now, and wil be released to you as soon as this document is
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Re: Secret List of U.S. Military Bases to Replace Gitmo
Why don't they use the SuperMax federal prison?
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Re: 2 more days until the puppetmaster takes control
He is under the full control of the CFR.
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Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
sure as soon as the jews stop commiting war crimes On Jan 19, 9:31 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world stand in solidarity of the brave and courageous 1.5 million Gazan polulation who are challenging the collective might of the Israeli and American warmachine. Clearly Hamas and the Palestinian National resistance has triumphed and the Zionist colonial project of genocidal ethnic cleansing has once again been vanquished. Palestine in 2009 and Lebanon 2006 have forever shattered the myth of Israeli military supremacy and have proved that the Palestinain resistance that stands at the vanguard of the global resistance to US-Zionist Imperialism will ultimately suceed to create an Independent state of Palestinen with Jerusalem as its capital. We also salute the people across the world who took to the streets and
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/16/204733/715/396/685080 On Jan 19, 4:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT Act with the Military Commissions Act public orders exempting himself from a thousand laws and secretly from the Presidential Records Act The Geneva Conventions FISA sparking a mass rebellion at the Justice Department secret star chambers for terrorism suspects, overturned by Hamdan v Rumsfeld. denying habeas corpus,
George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with along with the residue of the cascading collaspsing failures left festering on the American landscape. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
Too bad you are not impartial, maybe then you could have given a response that was unbiased. On Jan 19, 5:37 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: It is patently obvious to the impartial observer that the only difference between the GOP and the Dems is that of rhetoric and not substance. Both parties are agreed that the US is justified in waging genocidal wars of imperialist barbarism to maintain its tenuous grip as the world’s hegemon due to the collapse of its economy and that public spending must be slashed so trillions of taxpayers’ dollars can be gifted to Wall St Criminals. The main concern of Liberals, just like their Conservatives nemesis, is the restoration of the US to its former omnipotent position as the benevolent overseer and maintainer of world peace and Democracy (as opposed to a harbinger of death, misery and destruction)—and nothing more. And just like Conservatives Liberals rejoice and worship in the deceitful lies that their representatives spew out, just as blindly and uncritically as Conservatives bathed in the filth spewed out by their misanthropic representatives. In absolute terms Liberals will bear no small degree of responsibility for the continuation of the death, destruction and misery that will characterize the Obama presidency. It will be only a matter of months, possibly weeks, before we will be confronted with the spectacle of outraged Liberal media howling over the betrayals of Obama that will be largely due to their own contemptible intellectual capitulation and cowardice On Jan 19, 9:24 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
Clinton did it longer and with far less damage to the country. Clinton also caught the attackers and those who planned it. On Jan 19, 7:16 am, lewc...@aol.com lewc...@aol.com wrote: President George W. Bush protected and defended VT SEAN for 2,691 consecutive days against Terrorist attacks so he could show us his film of Hate Bush. Thant you President Bush for defending innocent Americans Something Bill Clinton was unable to do throughout his entire 8 year term. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
By all means keep listening to rush, he makes much more sense when he is ON his illegal drugs. On Jan 19, 11:39 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Olbermann is too much of a jackass to listen to for more than 30 seconds. His romantic obsession with Bill O'Reilly alone is enough to gag you. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT
Re: Airbus May Build Next Air Force One
The US Air Force requested the information from Air Bus. The same US Air Force who who is under the command of Bush Jr.? The Air Force will never get appropriations for a foreign made AF1, this will never happen, be absolutely sure of it. One of the reasons for this is that the larger Air Bus is simply too heavy to land at some airports where the 747 can. --- lol... One of the comments there said: Sounds like dick envy to me. Sadly, it's more than that, it's the fact that in so many areas the US has fallen behind the rest of the world in the 3B's; bigger, biggest, best. If they really wanted the largest plane to carry the President in; they would be asking the Russians to sell them a modified Antonov-225. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
Thanks I included the link to the video not the post. On Jan 19, 2:45 pm, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/16/204733/715/396/685080 On Jan 19, 4:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil and billions for Halliburton, Blackwater and other companies while Mr. Bush denies VA healthcare to 450,000 veterans tries to raise their healthcare fees blocks the new G.I. Bill and increases his own power with the USA PATRIOT Act with the Military Commissions Act public orders exempting himself from a thousand laws and secretly from
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. Bush was busy...he went and played guitar with some country pop singer in California that day didn't he? How unfair of you; putting US citizens suffering and death before the Presidents entertainment requirements. Not to mention Homeland Sec. Chertoff blocking requests by FEMA Sec. Brown, because Chertoff thought terrorists were going to take advantage of the situation. How would it have looked to fire Chertoff 2 months after the bonehead took the job? Easier to blame Brown because his job wasn't apparently as important. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. One of the Bush Jr. supporters called in to C-SPAN the other day and commented how she liked the Bush administration because there *weren't* any scandals. I just thought to myself; how does she manage *not* to hear about them? And as usual, I had to answer my own question... she IS Bush Jr's. brain. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
I guess you aren't aware that many women don't like to talk pubically about affairs they had with their married boss or even about unwanted sexual advances he makes toward them. But you don't seem to quick on the uptake, so.. On Jan 19, 2:56 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: Funny most of those woman were forced to testify by supenea. It dosen't sound like Clinton was the one victimizing them. On Jan 19, 11:46 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: There is only one word for someone who thinks that the issue regarding a man on trial for serially abusing the women who work for him and lying to a federal judge and asking others to lie for him is a blow job. That word is stupid. On Jan 19, 11:40 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't shoot the messenger, just because that list of scandals makes a blow job seem completely irrelevant. It's not Cosmo's fault. On Jan 19, 11:29 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend’s congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the “Special Guest.” Got 18 months of probation and a $5,000 fine. *Scooter Libby- Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for lying to a grand jury and investigators in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of Valerie Wilson’s covert CIA operative’s identity.Convictedon four of five counts, making him the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-contra scandal. Sentenced to thirty months imprisonment and a fine of $250,000. On July 2nd, after a judge decided that Libby would remain in prison during the appeals process, President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence by removing the thirty months in prison. *David Safavian- former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget -convictedof lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. On October 27, 2006, he was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He is currently appealing the ruling. *Robert Stein- former comptroller and funding officer for the now
Fixing the Housing problem 101 for dummies.
Fixing the Housing problem 101 for dummies. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 point of order This needs NO FUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT! WE ARE THE INSURERS OF THE LOAN IF IT SHOULD FAIL. Hi, Mr. Loan officer I am about to be foreclosed on my home can we renegotiate my monthly payments. Yes Mr. Home Owner we can with this government backed program. You understand sir that you are relinquishing your ownership of your home, however you will be able to remain living in your home if you can afford the new payments. Also Mr. Home Owner you will have the right to buy your home back at the new adjusted price for the next 2 years, and at market price for the next 3 years after that. If your home is purchased after these 5 years have passed you may have to move out if this is what the new owner wishes. I understand Mr. Loan Officer. OK, you are paying on a $100,000 mortgage at a rate of 7 1/2%. We will adjust the loan to $70,000 at a new rate of 4%. This will reduce your monthly payments from $845.27 to $436.27. Can you afford this? Yes I can and it will allow me an opportunity to become fiscally sound again. I know I am now a renter with the option to buy, but at least the home will not be foreclosed and I will be able to stay in my home. Good, Mr. Home Owner, let me verify your income, fax the paperwork to 'TARP PROGRAM' and next month you will be paying your new monthly rent Ring Ring Ring Hello Mr. Homeowner on processing your paper work we discovered you bought your home in 1998 and have $15,000 of equity in your home. We will give you credit for this. So now this will reduce your loan to $55,000 and your monthly rent will be $342.79. Can you afford this? The total amount of paper work? One page. This was a scenario of how this plan below would be done. you can not afford your home. you go to a the holder of the loan and you cut THIS deal. With government backing you negotiate a new monthly rent based on a month mortgage at 70% of 2003 market value. You now have the ability to save money and stay in your home. This home now does not go on the market as a short sale foreclosure at below market price. The renter now has two years to save up the 20% down payment and get their finances back in order. If the renter can not, they have five years to buy back the home at the market rate or the new valuation, which ever is greater. At 5 years the financial institution offers the home at market value to ALL buyers. During these 5 years the financial institution is collection rent, and at the sale of the home they will also get cash for the home. So this stops ALL foreclosures IMMEDIATELY that are not created by a job lost or bankruptcy. The idea is to stabilize the market and keep people in their homes, as renters paying into the financial institutions or future home owners once they get their finances back in order. Remember this is just the FIRST leg of the solution, getting the economy back on it's feet is the other. This is why there is a five year period while jobs are brought back into the country and domestic GDP growth is created again through internal organic growth and synergies. I believe this will stabilize and slow down the falling prices so that deflation will end and the cycle will begin again. Which is better, shaving 30% off the value of the home and keeping the existent owner in the house as a renter for 2 years with the opportunity of buying back their own home in 2 to 5 years? keeping this foreclosed property off the market for 2 to 5 years to help stop deflation. Or evicting the family, and having a property empty with no revenue coming into the financial institution and one more property contributing to the deflation of home prices by being offered far below the surrounding homes and NEW homes being built. This will fix the housing problem, however with 10 months of inventory on the market the effects will not occur until the inventory is worked through. Also this needs NO FUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT! WE ARE THE INSURERS OF THE LOAN IF IT SHOULD FAIL. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
Total horse shit. Expected from you. No surprise that your fairy tale doesn't mention the assholes directly reponsible for the lack of preparation and response, the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Governor. On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with along with the residue of the cascading collaspsing failures left festering on the American landscape. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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He was a fine, admirable man.
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Re: The Failure That was Bush in 8 minute recap of the 8 years by Keith Olbermann
Awww, whats the matter? DId I insult your girlfriend, Keith? On Jan 19, 2:51 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: By all means keep listening to rush, he makes much more sense when he is ON his illegal drugs. On Jan 19, 11:39 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Olbermann is too much of a jackass to listen to for more than 30 seconds. His romantic obsession with Bill O'Reilly alone is enough to gag you. On Jan 19, 5:24 am, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: UPDATE w/ comment from K.O.: Olbermann's Recap of the Bush Admin Must Not Be Missed by thereisnospoon Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 06:27:25 PM PST UPDATE: From Keith Olbermann himself, in the comments: Nobody Likes Kudos Better Than I Do But I'm passing all these on to my segment producer, Jonathan Larsen, with whom I've worked on and off since we were at CNN in 2001-02. He compiled and wrote this one; I honestly made about four small changes in it. Monday we go gently after the Torture Prosecution... Thanks to all, and to all a good night. thereisnospoon's diary :: :: Offered with as little commentary as possible: the most astonishing and damning review of the Bush Administration ever seen, courtesy of Keith Olbermann. And half of the administration's morally negligent or even criminal activities didn't even make it into the 8-minute summary; much of the other half was mentioned only briefly. Still, if you can bear to watch a replay of the misery through with we have suffered these last eight years, it has never been done better than this: Transcript provided by TrueBlueMajority: George Walker Bush. 43rd president of the United States. first ever with a criminal record. our third story tonight, his presidency: eight years in eight minutes. early in 2001 the U.S. fingered Al Qaeda for the bombing of the USS Cole Bush counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke had a plan to take down Al Qaeda. instead by February the NSC had already discussed invading Iraq, and had a plan for post-Saddam Iraq. by March 5 Bush had a map ready for Iraqi oil exploration and a list of companies. Al Qaeda? Rice told Clarke not to give Bush a lot of long memos. not a big reader. August 6, 2001 a CIA analyst briefs Bush on vacation: Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. Bush takes no action tells the briefer—quote all right, you've covered your ass now. next month Clarke requests using new predator drones to kill Bin Laden the Pentagon and CIA say no. September 11th Bush remains seated for several minutes to avoid scaring school children by getting up and leaving. he then flies around the country and promises quote a full scale investigation to find those folks who did it Rumsfeld says Afghanistan does not have enough targets we've got to do Iraq. when the CIA traps Bin Laden at Tora Bora it asks for 800 rangers to cut off his escape Bush outsources the job to Pakistanis sympathetic to the Taliban Bin Laden gets away in February General Tommy Franks tells a visiting Senator Bush is moving equipment out of Afghanistan so he can invade Iraq. one of the men who prepped Rice for her testimony that Bush did not ignore pre 9-11 warnings later explains quote we cherry picked things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about Al Qaeda they didn't give a bleep about Al Qaeda July and Britain's intel chief says Bush is fixing intelligence and facts around the policy to take out Saddam January 03 Bush and Blair agree to invade in March Mr. Bush still telling us he has not decided telling Blair they should paint an airplane in UN colors fly it over Iraq and provoke a response a pretext for invasion the man who said it would take several hundred thousand troops fired the man who said it would cost more than a hundred billion fired the man who revealed Bush's yellowcake lie smeared his wife's covert status exposed the White House liars who did it and covered it up not fired one convicted Bush commutes his sentence then in Iraq, stuff happens: Iraq's army, disbanded the government de-Baathified 200,000 weapons, billions of dollars just lost foreign mercenaries immunized from justice political hacks run the Green Zone religious cleansing forcing one out of six Iraqis from their homes Abu Ghraib the insurgency Al Qaeda in Iraq other stuff does not happen: WMD post-war planning body armor vehicular armor the payoff? oil
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
Actually Zebnick, I’d argue that it’s only partly horse shit, but you do make a fair point. It was a complete failure; The Police, the Mayor, the Governor, DHS and Bush. Even those who deliberately ignored the warnings and stayed behind, only to later become an undo burden on the rescue teams. They all need to accept blame. What many of us object to is that in the MSM’s rush to blame Bush (which he deserved) they failed to put equal blame on everyone else who contributed. VT’s post is a typical anti-Bush diatribe. Reading it, one could be excused for not realizing just how many other people were responsible. On Jan 19, 3:56 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Total horse shit. Expected from you. No surprise that your fairy tale doesn't mention the assholes directly reponsible for the lack of preparation and response, the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Governor. On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with along with the residue of the cascading collaspsing failures left festering on the American landscape.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
HURRICANE KATRINA was the GREATEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL EVACUATION/ RESCUE EFFORT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. (Hard to believe? Compare it with other world disasters.) From a March. 2006 Popular Mechanics Study Of Katrina: The response to Hurricane Katrina was, by far, the largest and fastest rescue effort in U.S. history with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within three days of the storm's landfall. By the end of the week, National Guard, Coast Guard and local and state personnel had saved more than 50,000 people. Computer simulations of a Katrina-strength hurricane estimated a worst case scenario of more than 60,000 hurricane related deaths. The actual number of deaths was 1077. After turning the interstate's lanes all to outbound lanes, 1.2 million of the New Orleans area population of 1.5 million people escaped the area within 38 hours. The Army Corps. Of Engineers estimated it would take 72 hours to accomplish this fete. Other than those people in nursing homes and hospitals, most of the rest of the people had transportation to leave but stayed upon their own decision. Let us also not forget the 30,000 rescues made by our brave military in the days that followed the hurricane - ric=sking life and limb. Was there ever a better resue effort following a natural disater in the history of the Planet Earth??? Also Don't forget Mayor Ray Nagin's nd Governor Blanko's brave efforts - whatever they were. On Jan 19, 4:27 pm, frankg fran...@gmail.com wrote: Actually Zebnick, I’d argue that it’s only partly horse shit, but you do make a fair point. It was a complete failure; The Police, the Mayor, the Governor, DHS and Bush. Even those who deliberately ignored the warnings and stayed behind, only to later become an undo burden on the rescue teams. They all need to accept blame. What many of us object to is that in the MSM’s rush to blame Bush (which he deserved) they failed to put equal blame on everyone else who contributed. VT’s post is a typical anti-Bush diatribe. Reading it, one could be excused for not realizing just how many other people were responsible. On Jan 19, 3:56 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Total horse shit. Expected from you. No surprise that your fairy tale doesn't mention the assholes directly reponsible for the lack of preparation and response, the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Governor. On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with
Re: Conservatism and Liberalism, two sides of the same coin in the service of US imperialism
The only diff between the demoshits and the repuboshits is which will destroy this country quicker. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: wolfy, show us all one example of where your marxist, socialist system has worked. come on this should be easy. just one example out of all mankinds history. On Jan 19, 4:49 am, \Lone Wolf\ phoeni...@gmail.com wrote: Conservatism and Liberalism, two sides of the same coin in the service of US imperialism. It is glaringly obvious that the main difference between the GOP and the Dems is that of rhetoric and not substance. Both parties are agreed that the US is justified in waging genocidal wars of imperialist barbarism to maintain its tenuous grip as the world's hegemon due to the collapse of its economy. Both parties are also in complete agreement that public spending must be slashed so trillions of taxpayers' dollars can be gifted to Wall St Criminals. President Bush declared in the introduction of the 2002 National Security Strategy' a document that asserts as the guiding policy of the United States the right to use military force anywhere in the world, at any time it chooses, against any country it believes to be, or it believes may at some point become, a threat to American interests —that America's values are right and true for every person, in every society... The 'American Civil Liberties Union' recently declared in response to Obama's intention to shut down Guantanamo (that he still supports the use of torture goes without saying), nothing would make me prouder than to see you act on your first day in office to restore America's moral leadership in the world and act in defense of American freedom. The main concern of Liberals, just like conservatives, is to restore the US to its former omnipotent position as the benevolent overseer and maintainer of world peace and Democracy (as opposed to a harbinger of death, misery and destruction)—and nothing more. And just like Conservatives Liberals rejoice and worship the deceitful lies that their representatives spew out, just as blindly and subserviently as Conservatives bathe in the filth spewed out by their misanthropic representatives. In absolute terms Liberals, in their self righteous ignorance, will bear a great deal of responsibility for the continuation of the death, destruction and misery that will characterize the Obama presidency. It will be only a matter of months, possibly weeks, before the Liberal media will be howling over the betrayals of Obama that will be largely due to their contemptible intellectual cowardice and capitulation. So Liberals, before you hurl your next parting salvo at the Neanderthal Bush and prepare for a new beginning based on the meaningless sound-bytes this is our time, this is our moment and Yes we can remember that people that live in glass houses should not throw stones. From Bush to Obama: On the eve of a seamless transition By Patrick Martin 17 January 2009 Three days before the inauguration of the 44th president of the United States, the distinctions have largely been effaced between the outgoing and incoming administrations. George W. Bush is, as even the corporate-controlled media admits, the most hated and despised president in American history. Barack Obama is, at least according to the opinion polls that measure popular moods, the beneficiary of a temporary honeymoon period in which hope outweighs experience and many are inclined to give him a chance. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jan2009/obam-j17.shtml Obama's national security team and the failure of American democracy 2 December 2008 The formal introduction of the incoming Obama administration's national security team at a Chicago hotel on Monday provided a definitive exposure not merely of the fraudulent character of the change you can believe in mantra of the Democratic presidential campaign, but more importantly of the failure of American democracy itself. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/pers-d02.shtml The Founding Fathers did lead the war for independence from Britain. But they did not do it for the equal right of all to life, liberty, and equality. Their intention was to set up a new government that would protect the property of slave owners, land speculators, merchants, and bondholders. Independence from England had already been secured in parts of the country by grassroots rebellion a year before the battles at Lexington and Concord that initiated hostilities with Britain. (See Ray Raphael's A Peoples History of the American Revolution, New Press, 2001.) It is one of the phenomena of modern times that revolutions are not favored unless they are led by people who are not revolutionaries at heart. I would rather recognize the greatness of all those who fought to make sure that
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
You have placed the horse in front of the cart once again... On Jan 19, 2:25 pm, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: sure as soon as the jews stop commiting war crimes On Jan 19, 9:31 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world stand in solidarity of the brave and courageous 1.5 million Gazan polulation who are challenging the collective might of the Israeli and American warmachine. Clearly Hamas and the Palestinian National resistance has triumphed and the Zionist colonial project of genocidal ethnic cleansing has once again been vanquished. Palestine in 2009 and Lebanon 2006 have forever shattered the myth of Israeli military supremacy and have proved that the Palestinain resistance that stands at the vanguard of the global
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
Sorry, I gotta stay with total horse shit. VT is like Michael Moore. Exaggerations, false statements and ommissions..all weaved together to present a hysterical character assasination of Bush. That he throws a few true statements in there does not salvage it. On Jan 19, 4:27 pm, frankg fran...@gmail.com wrote: Actually Zebnick, I’d argue that it’s only partly horse shit, but you do make a fair point. It was a complete failure; The Police, the Mayor, the Governor, DHS and Bush. Even those who deliberately ignored the warnings and stayed behind, only to later become an undo burden on the rescue teams. They all need to accept blame. What many of us object to is that in the MSM’s rush to blame Bush (which he deserved) they failed to put equal blame on everyone else who contributed. VT’s post is a typical anti-Bush diatribe. Reading it, one could be excused for not realizing just how many other people were responsible. On Jan 19, 3:56 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Total horse shit. Expected from you. No surprise that your fairy tale doesn't mention the assholes directly reponsible for the lack of preparation and response, the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Governor. On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with along with the residue of the cascading collaspsing failures left festering on the American landscape.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
clinton scandals * Whitewater * Cattlegate * Nannygate * Helicoptergate * Travelgate * Gennifer Flowersgate * Filegate * Vince Fostergate * I wonder where those Whitewater billing records came fromgate * Paula Jonesgate * Federal Building campaign phone callgate * Lincoln bedroomgate * White House coffeegate * Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealersgate * Buddhist Templegate * Web Hubbell hush moneygate * Lippogate * Chinese commiegate - Clinton was practically endorsed by red China Update! * Let's blame Kenneth Starrgate * Zippergate/interngate - the Lewinsky affair itself * Perjury and jobs for Lewinskygate - the aftermath * Willeygate * Web Hubbell prison phone callgate * Selling Military Technology to the Chinese Commiesgate * Coverup for our Russian Comrades as Wellgate * Wag-the-Dog-gate * Jaunita Broaddrick gate * PBS-gate * Email-gate * Vandalgate * Lootergate * Pardongate http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html On Jan 19, 4:47 pm, frankg fran...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure Paula Jones made it clear she was a victim, as did Kathleen Willey. Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers apparently weren't victims, but Clinton's behavior with them is scandalous nonetheless. I’m still trying to figure out what the point is to this ‘scandal pissing match’. Does it really matter? What politician doesn’t have a lengthy list of scandalous behavior? The higher you go, the longer the list. They all suck… On Jan 19, 2:56 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: Funny most of those woman were forced to testify by supenea. It dosen't sound like Clinton was the one victimizing them. On Jan 19, 11:46 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: There is only one word for someone who thinks that the issue regarding a man on trial for serially abusing the women who work for him and lying to a federal judge and asking others to lie for him is a blow job. That word is stupid. On Jan 19, 11:40 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't shoot the messenger, just because that list of scandals makes a blow job seem completely irrelevant. It's not Cosmo's fault. On Jan 19, 11:29 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no contest on September 19, 2006 to seven counts of use of a computer to seduce a child and sixteen counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor. On November 17th, 2006 Brian Doyle wassentencedto five years in state prison and ten years of probation. He will also need to register as a sex offender. *Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - is the highest-ranked administration official yetconvictedin the Jack Abramoff scandal. In March 2007, Griles pleaded guilty to lying about his role in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Sentenced to 10 months incarceration. *John T. Korsmo– Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board from 2002 to 2004 –pleaded guiltyin 2005 to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
You must have rocks in your head, mikey. Whatever Israel is doing, war crimes or not, is in an effort to stop the rocket fire by Palestinians into their cities. All they have to do to get Israel out is to stop firing the rockets. Personally, I think these Palestinians are retards. Even if they didn't like the conditions in Gaza during the cease fire it A) wasn't all Israel's fault and B) is certainly better than having Israel tear your country up trying to get some nutbags to stop firing rockets. On Jan 19, 2:25 pm, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: sure as soon as the jews stop commiting war crimes On Jan 19, 9:31 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world stand in solidarity of the brave and courageous 1.5 million Gazan polulation who are challenging the collective might of the Israeli and
The Clinton Body Count (No dumber than the Bush thread) LOL
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Re: Toons
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William Ayers turned back at Canadian border
An American education professor, one of the founders of a radical 1960s group known as the Weather Underground, which was responsible for a number of bombings in the United States in the early 1970s, was turned back at the Canadian border last night. Dr. William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and a leader in educational reform, was scheduled to speak at the Centre for Urban Schooling at University of Toronto's Ontario Institute for Studies in Education. But that appearance has now been temporarily cancelled. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/573462 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
OT: What is that?
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Re: OT: What is that?
That is just weird. Any idea where that was taken? On Jan 19, 6:14�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: �moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals
I posted the body count. CW - Original Message - From: wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:35 Subject: Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals How many people died in a Clinton scandal? On Jan 19, 5:30 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Where did I say Bill Clinton battered anyone? I said and I quote (myself) To say something like that even in jest is disgusting and in extremely poor taste and an insult to battered and abused women everywhere. DO NOT even try to twist my words to make them mean what you want them to mean. Who was talking about Monica??? Try Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick and Paula Jones FGS. The legal definition of battery is: At common law, an intentional unpermitted act causing harmful or offensive contact with the person of another. Battery is concerned with the right to have one's body left alone by others. Battery is both a tort and a crime. Its essential element, harmful or offensive contact, is the same in both areas of the law. The main distinction between the two categories lies in the penalty imposed. A defendant sued for a tort is civilly liable to the plaintiff for damages. The punishment for criminal battery is a fine, imprisonment, or both. Usually battery is prosecuted as a crime only in cases involving serious harm to the victim. Are you actually suggesting the mention of Bill Clinton is off topic for this thread? CW - Original Message - From: wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 02:09 Subject: Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals Monica seemed to enjoy it. Since I have never met Bill Clinton, I have no idea about it and can't offer an opinion. Who did he batter, by the way? But enough about Clinton. This thread is really about the Bush scandals, remember? On Jan 19, 2:02 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Only a dull minded, homely woman with low self esteem would consider being slobbered over and manhandled by a MARRIED fat slob Bill Clinton to be enjoyable. To say something like that even in jest is disgusting and in extremely poor taste and an insult to battered and abused women everywhere. CW - Original Message - From: wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:59 Subject: Re: List of Bush Administration Scandals Abusing? LOL... not if they enjoyed it. On Jan 19, 11:46 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: There is only one word for someone who thinks that the issue regarding a man on trial for serially abusing the women who work for him and lying to a federal judge and asking others to lie for him is a blow job. That word is stupid. On Jan 19, 11:40 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Don't shoot the messenger, just because that list of scandals makes a blow job seem completely irrelevant. It's not Cosmo's fault. On Jan 19, 11:29 am, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you spare both boards and just sign off permanently? No one needs or wants to put up with your inane spam. On Jan 19, 10:44 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, the list is much, much longer - 399 to be exact. I thought I'd spare both boards from the crash. http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/ On Jan 19, 9:17 am, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: When I saw the title, I worried how much space a single post can take up on the board without making it crash! :-) On Jan 19, 10:13 am, Cosmo cosmorap...@gmail.com wrote: Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty *Eric G. Andell- deputy undersecretary in charge of newly created Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools (previously senior adviser to Secretary of Education Rod Paige) -pleaded guiltyto one count of conflict of interest for using government travel for personal causes and was sentenced to one year of probation, 100 hours of community service, and fined $5,000. *Claude Allen- Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty toshopliftingfrom Target stores. *Lester Crawford- Commissioner, FDA -resignedin late September 2005 after only two months on the job. On October 17th, hepleadedguilty to two misdemeanor counts, making afalse writing and conflict of interest. On February 27, 2007, Crawford wassentencedto to three years of probation and was fined $90,000. *Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Doyle wasarrestedon April 4th, 2006 and pleaded no
Re: OT: What is that?
I have no idea. Aussie here, thinks it is a dog. CW - Original Message - From: wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:35 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? That is just weird. Any idea where that was taken? On Jan 19, 6:14�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: �moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
They? What are you looking at? Inside the circle? CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:39 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
I saved it and magnified it and it looks more like a kid wearing black shorts. A very skinny kid. On Jan 19, 6:39�pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: �moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
Yes. Painted with a chemical called stumprot to dissolve them . Stumprot can be purchased at Lowe's or Home Depot. On Jan 19, 3:43 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: They? What are you looking at? Inside the circle? CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:39 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
Ok then. Maybe it's a space alien. On Jan 19, 3:46 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: I saved it and magnified it and it looks more like a kid wearing black shorts. A very skinny kid. On Jan 19, 6:39 pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
Poor kid. Really skinny I must say. Ann Coulter's kid? ROFL!!! CW - Original Message - From: wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:46 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? I saved it and magnified it and it looks more like a kid wearing black shorts. A very skinny kid. On Jan 19, 6:39�pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: �moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
That machine is called a stump grinder. Generally you use stumprot if you cut the tree down yourself and are too lazt to dig out then pull up the stump. On Jan 19, 3:49 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Really? I have never heard of it. They always bring that thing LOL in and chew up the stumps each time I have had a tree removed. CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:46 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? Yes. Painted with a chemical called stumprot to dissolve them . Stumprot can be purchased at Lowe's or Home Depot. On Jan 19, 3:43 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: They? What are you looking at? Inside the circle? CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:39 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Always get a second opinion
Second Opinion! The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for. He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit.' He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit.' The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see.. size 44 long.' Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did! you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly. As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years.' Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' The salesman said, 'Let's see... size 36. Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
OK I a jiggy with that and I will send the pic to Dennis Kucinich. LOL CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:47 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? Ok then. Maybe it's a space alien. On Jan 19, 3:46 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: I saved it and magnified it and it looks more like a kid wearing black shorts. A very skinny kid. On Jan 19, 6:39 pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Always get a second opinion
When I want a republican's opinion, I'll give it to them. On Jan 19, 3:51 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Second Opinion! The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for. He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit.' He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit.' The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see.. size 44 long.' Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did! you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly. As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years.' Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' The salesman said, 'Let's see... size 36. Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Always get a second opinion
Did you read what's in the quoted text? On Jan 19, 6:52�pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: When I want a republican's opinion, I'll give it to them. On Jan 19, 3:51�pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Second Opinion! The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for. He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit.' He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit.' The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see.. size 44 long.' Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did! �you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly. As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years.' Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' The salesman said, 'Let's see... size 36. Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.'- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Always get a second opinion
Just now, and I regret it too. (walking away from this thread with his legs very tightly crossed.) On Jan 19, 3:51 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Second Opinion! The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for. He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit.' He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit.' The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see.. size 44 long.' Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did! you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly. As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years.' Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' The salesman said, 'Let's see... size 36. Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: What is that?
Any short, ugly dude like Kucinich who can attract a wife as gorgeous as Elizabeth Kucinich earns my respect right then and there. On Jan 19, 3:52 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: OK I a jiggy with that and I will send the pic to Dennis Kucinich. LOL CW - Original Message - From: Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 06:47 Subject: Re: OT: What is that? Ok then. Maybe it's a space alien. On Jan 19, 3:46 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: I saved it and magnified it and it looks more like a kid wearing black shorts. A very skinny kid. On Jan 19, 6:39 pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: They kind of look like tree stumps to me. On Jan 19, 3:14 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: moz-screenshot-85.jpg 31KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Always get a second opinion
LOL! On Jan 19, 6:57�pm, Gonzo fritzy...@gmail.com wrote: Just now, and I regret it too. (walking away from this thread with his legs very tightly crossed.) On Jan 19, 3:51�pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote: Second Opinion! The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for. He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit.' He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit.' The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see.. size 44 long.' Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did! �you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly. As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 'Been in the business 60 years.' Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' The salesman said, 'Let's see... size 36. Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.'- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
HT Humor:: In the event of an Indo-Pak Nuclear showdown -- Here is what might happen..
HT Humor:: In the event of an Indo-Pak Nuclear showdown -- Here is what might happen..http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=3101HTAdvtPlaceCode=IND Author: unknown Please post a comment / forward if you like it.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina
FEMA was directly resposible. Brown, a close and personal friend of Bush... they had almost FOUR days to ready the help for somewhere on the Gulf Coast. Drive time after Katrina hit says VT is right. Houston did not wait that long why the difference IF you are correct ??? Please explain. On Jan 19, 2:56 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Total horse shit. Expected from you. No surprise that your fairy tale doesn't mention the assholes directly reponsible for the lack of preparation and response, the Democrat mayor and the Democrat Governor. On Jan 19, 2:46 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: George Bush's Legacy is the Failure that was Katrina This was the anatomy to all of Bush's failures. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane that slowly moved across the Gulf of Mexico growing in size and threat. Bush was briefed on the threat and warned about the possible scenarios. People were giving warnings about the threat. Authorities were requesting help from Washington specifically from the White House for help to deal with the threat. The world was also aware of the threat. Bush was made aware of the threat, made some public statements and then did no follow through to actually prepare for the threat. The threat became a reality and all that was predicted and warned about occurred. Bush did nothing. Bush did not end his vacation to do his job, he was AWOL again. Americans suffered and died. Bush still did nothing. The press. the country and the world cried out for something to be done. Rice went to NYC to buy shoes. Bush went to a party, and the rest of the Administration stayed on vacation. When Bush was finally shown a tape of what the world had been watching 24/7 for 3 days, THEN and only then did he react. He started by saying who could have predicted such a threat and he had no warning. He took no responsibility and put the blame on everyone else from the victims to nature but he never saw himself as being accountable for his failure to anticipate and be proactive in dealing with this threat. This is the anatomy of every Bush failure from 9/11 to the current economic meltdown. Bush denied there was a housing meltdown or a recession for a year. Imagine if Bush had been proactive a year ago in dealing with the housing meltdown and the economy? Instead Bush denied there was a problem because his motives and loyalty was to his political party and not the American citizens he had sworn to serve and protect. Bush seemed to have risen beyond his pay-scale and was more interested in mountain biking and playing at being President than actually having the intellectual acumen to BE president. When Bush was first elected I said the man could not handle the job of being the President, but I consoled myself by saying 'how much harm can he do?' 8 years later and for years to come in the future the failure that was Bush, is the Legacy this country will have to contend with along with the residue of the cascading collaspsing failures left festering on the American landscape.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Happy Robert E. Lee's Birthday
No one, who knew him, North or South ever failed to use the word
Honorable when speaking of him.
On Jan 19, 2:57 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote:
He was a fine, admirable man.
On Jan 19, 1:43 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009
Subject: Happy Robert E. Lee's Birthday
It is a state holiday here in Arkansas.
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Re: Fixing the Housing problem 101 for dummies.
There is no money to be SIPHONED off The powers that be will/would NEVER go for it. On Jan 19, 2:52 pm, VT Sean Lewis thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: Fixing the Housing problem 101 for dummies. Sean Lewis January 19, 2009 point of order This needs NO FUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT! WE ARE THE INSURERS OF THE LOAN IF IT SHOULD FAIL. Hi, Mr. Loan officer I am about to be foreclosed on my home can we renegotiate my monthly payments. Yes Mr. Home Owner we can with this government backed program. You understand sir that you are relinquishing your ownership of your home, however you will be able to remain living in your home if you can afford the new payments. Also Mr. Home Owner you will have the right to buy your home back at the new adjusted price for the next 2 years, and at market price for the next 3 years after that. If your home is purchased after these 5 years have passed you may have to move out if this is what the new owner wishes. I understand Mr. Loan Officer. OK, you are paying on a $100,000 mortgage at a rate of 7 1/2%. We will adjust the loan to $70,000 at a new rate of 4%. This will reduce your monthly payments from $845.27 to $436.27. Can you afford this? Yes I can and it will allow me an opportunity to become fiscally sound again. I know I am now a renter with the option to buy, but at least the home will not be foreclosed and I will be able to stay in my home. Good, Mr. Home Owner, let me verify your income, fax the paperwork to 'TARP PROGRAM' and next month you will be paying your new monthly rent Ring Ring Ring Hello Mr. Homeowner on processing your paper work we discovered you bought your home in 1998 and have $15,000 of equity in your home. We will give you credit for this. So now this will reduce your loan to $55,000 and your monthly rent will be $342.79. Can you afford this? The total amount of paper work? One page. This was a scenario of how this plan below would be done. you can not afford your home. you go to a the holder of the loan and you cut THIS deal. With government backing you negotiate a new monthly rent based on a month mortgage at 70% of 2003 market value. You now have the ability to save money and stay in your home. This home now does not go on the market as a short sale foreclosure at below market price. The renter now has two years to save up the 20% down payment and get their finances back in order. If the renter can not, they have five years to buy back the home at the market rate or the new valuation, which ever is greater. At 5 years the financial institution offers the home at market value to ALL buyers. During these 5 years the financial institution is collection rent, and at the sale of the home they will also get cash for the home. So this stops ALL foreclosures IMMEDIATELY that are not created by a job lost or bankruptcy. The idea is to stabilize the market and keep people in their homes, as renters paying into the financial institutions or future home owners once they get their finances back in order. Remember this is just the FIRST leg of the solution, getting the economy back on it's feet is the other. This is why there is a five year period while jobs are brought back into the country and domestic GDP growth is created again through internal organic growth and synergies. I believe this will stabilize and slow down the falling prices so that deflation will end and the cycle will begin again. Which is better, shaving 30% off the value of the home and keeping the existent owner in the house as a renter for 2 years with the opportunity of buying back their own home in 2 to 5 years? keeping this foreclosed property off the market for 2 to 5 years to help stop deflation. Or evicting the family, and having a property empty with no revenue coming into the financial institution and one more property contributing to the deflation of home prices by being offered far below the surrounding homes and NEW homes being built. This will fix the housing problem, however with 10 months of inventory on the market the effects will not occur until the inventory is worked through. Also this needs NO FUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT! WE ARE THE INSURERS OF THE LOAN IF IT SHOULD FAIL. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
This war has nothing to do with Hamas firing rockets. An Israeli is more likely to die from a lightning strike than a rocket. It's just a proxy, part of the election campaign in Israel. On 19 Jan, 23:29, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: You must have rocks in your head, mikey. Whatever Israel is doing, war crimes or not, is in an effort to stop the rocket fire by Palestinians into their cities. All they have to do to get Israel out is to stop firing the rockets. Personally, I think these Palestinians are retards. Even if they didn't like the conditions in Gaza during the cease fire it A) wasn't all Israel's fault and B) is certainly better than having Israel tear your country up trying to get some nutbags to stop firing rockets. On Jan 19, 2:25 pm, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: sure as soon as the jews stop commiting war crimes On Jan 19, 9:31 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000
Re: The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal - A W A M I B H A R A T
Sometimes. I've tried a full range of subjects. The most challenging has been a complicated interior scene with Matisse on the wall, a Van Gogh museum guide on the coffee table-starry night, image of a woman reflected in the mirror, a complicated rug, a balcony view of the landscape-overview perspective- I based it on Sunday Morning- a poem by Wallace Stevens. I gave it away like all my paintings./ Yesterday, a neighbor told me to write again- I told her I was writing to forums.//I clicked off the switch about 8 years ago. And Stanley Fish had a great op/ed today in the NYTimes about the death of a liberal arts education in this country. It's true. On Jan 18, 8:24�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Landscapes? Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 8:10�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It's okay , doc. I probably need to get back to painting and knitting. :-) On Jan 18, 7:39 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: My bad, I misinterpreted you post and assumed that you meant the Jews were doing liberty and freedom a favor by lending money. Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 7:28 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't say it was good, doc. It was history.//Why are we bailing out these paper pushers of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on Wall Street, banks and attorneys? On Jan 18, 7:24 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... Like that was something good? Who ultimately stood to gain? Like who controls the fiat usury money and is not this satanic money the root of all evil? Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 6:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood
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That's an easy answer. So what did the destruction in Iraq have to do with 9-11? If terrorists want to take on military powers that's their choice, isn't it? Just what did the Gaza Palestinians think they were electing? On Jan 19, 6:47�pm, lef le...@sverige.nu wrote: This war has nothing to do with Hamas firing rockets. An Israeli is more likely to die from a lightning strike than a rocket. It's just a proxy, part of the election campaign in Israel. On 19 Jan, 23:29, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: You must have rocks in your head, mikey. Whatever Israel is doing, war crimes or not, is in an effort to stop the rocket fire by Palestinians into their cities. All they have to do to get Israel out is to stop firing the rockets. Personally, I think these Palestinians are retards. Even if �they didn't like the conditions in Gaza during the cease fire it A) wasn't all Israel's fault and B) is certainly better than having Israel tear your country up trying to get some nutbags to stop firing rockets. On Jan 19, 2:25�pm, liberal mike532 �! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: sure as soon as the jews stop commiting war crimes On Jan 19, 9:31�am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Then focus your ire on Hamas' desire to fire rockets into Israel at palestinians, or to use suicide bombers... � � Furhter Hamas is failing at governing Gaza and as a government it is NOT a bunch of cute and cuddlely Freedom Fighters who kill folks you hate... On Jan 19, 3:25�am, liberal mike532 �! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: i don't care about their religious or political doctrines or differences . and in fact think there are no good guys in this dispute ! my only concern is stopping the war crimes being committed by both parties . On Jan 18, 7:30�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 �! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter
Re: Happy Robert E. Lee's Birthday
In that war, who didn't ??
On 1/19/09, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maybe. But he certainly chewed up a lot of men.
On Jan 19, 6:37�pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
No one, who knew him, North or South ever failed to use the word
Honorable when speaking of him.
On Jan 19, 2:57�pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote:
He was a fine, admirable man.
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I think giving away was a way of saying goodbye. On Jan 18, 8:24�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Landscapes? Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 8:10�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It's okay , doc. I probably need to get back to painting and knitting. :-) On Jan 18, 7:39 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: My bad, I misinterpreted you post and assumed that you meant the Jews were doing liberty and freedom a favor by lending money. Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 7:28 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't say it was good, doc. It was history.//Why are we bailing out these paper pushers of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY on Wall Street, banks and attorneys? On Jan 18, 7:24 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... Like that was something good? Who ultimately stood to gain? Like who controls the fiat usury money and is not this satanic money the root of all evil? Peace, Doc On Jan 18, 6:30 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do not consider the various Intifadas, political/religious doctrines, constitutions calling for the end of Israel and the Jews a war crime, I would be interested in knowing what you do recognize as such? Hitler was also very clear about his intentions in Europe in the '30's as was the Ottoman Empire and other empires/nations. You have Saddam supporting suicide bombers with cash and the Saudis raising money for the Palestinians (also their ill-paid, ill-treated laborers) with telethons, Al-Jezeera, Egypt turning a blind eye to the tunnels that funnel rockets and weapons. The irony is that all these nations- including Iran- used Jews to their benefit during their histories. Britain defeated Napoleon with Jewish money- the Louisiana Purchase was small change. And that is just the beginning... On Jan 18, 4:04 am, liberal mike532 ! littlemike...@gmail.com wrote: the Jews must stop committing war crimes against the Palestinians ! On Jan 18, 4:02 am, Manoj Padhi manojpa...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/18/israel.gaza/index.html At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel http://topics.cnn.com/topics/israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying, he said. Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Where is the withdrawal ? Where is the victory of Palestinians ? Perhaps, Mr. Feroze Mithiborwala and Ghulam Muhammed have even latest information than CNN !! How come HAMAs - *the mice*, win against mighty Israel - *The Elephant* ? Even after 1000+ losses, the moral of the jihadi mice is still high. Looks like they need few more hammar shots. Please be assured that HAMAs can't smuggle rockets through Egypt as US will be supervising those transit routes;will also provide training to Egyptian police. When there is no more rocket left , How Hamas 'the mice' will play hideseek jihad ? Any way.. good luck to Hamas and its supporters as their luck has run out .. Manoj Padhi On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, ghulammuhammed3 ghulammuhamm...@gmail.comwrote: A W A M I B H A R A T The victory of the Palestinian Resistance Israel's unilateral withdrawal The Palestinian Resistance has been victorious whilst the Israeli Nazi army withdraws in ignominy and global wrath. The People of Gaza have withstood the F-16's, Helicopter gunships, tanks, ships and phosphorous attacks and have done so with extraordinary courage. All that Israel achieved was the wanton destruction death of children and civilians and residential neighbourhoods that included schools, hospitals, government buildings as well that of the United Nations. More than 1200 dead and 5000 seriously injured by the mercenary Israeli army. The resistance led by Hamas still stands in defiance and the People of Palestine and the world
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Odd isn’t it; that a man whose most profound utterance to date, “off teleprompter” has been, “Where’s the white women Joe”? That this man; who has the experience of a city councilman, holds the dreams and aspirations of so many. For the life of me, I just don’t get it. When did we as a country look to government to supply our wants and needs? More importantly; when did we attach so much control, over our daily lives, to one man? This country was founded on fierce individualism, self reliance and freedom from government. On the simple truism that, a citizen can achieve as much in this country as their ambition, aptitude and ability will carry them, On the principals of limited federal government, with great emphasis on morality and religion, a country in which government didn’t restrict success or punish it, nor accept failure or reward it. Now; on the day of this coronation we are promised a government that will be all things to all people, a government that will wrest control of all things economic, blunting free market capitalism, A government in total ignorance of our founding documents or the divine inspiration behind them, a government whose intent is not to remove the roadblocks of regulation and compliance upon entrepreneurial American but instead to place potholes between barriers and to then add more barriers. Begging the question; when did America proper go from Daniel Boone to Paris Hilton as role models? When did we slue from Thomas Jefferson’s character to Oprah’s couch? We’ve become a nation of purse carrying, gum smacking, television watching passengers; while, an ever decreasing minority of us are pulling the wagon you lazy bastards are riding in. What’s even more indescribable to the author is this; a majority of voters elected a man promising more government to an audience ambivalent to government. Most of us know government and have come to despise it. It is corrupt, bloated an ineffective. I mean, really, riddle me this; what does government do well? By the way; Graft doesn’t count! Well boys and girls; you get what you pay for. And; for those of you who have bought into this cult of personality over anything of substance, your will, will be tested. For, you have joined this cult and hastened to its pied-piper. You have fallen in line behind this anti-Bush premise postulator promising sunshine and lollipops. Yet, here’s the catch. When you no longer have Bush to blame, when Obama, “the chosen one” fails to assuage your suffering, when those clouds on your horizon fail to behold a silver lining; what will you do? Whom will you blame? When it hits you; four squares between the eyes, that your life is the responsibility of only you. Personally that’s the day I’m buying rope futures. Because, that’s the day a lot of you Obama Jesuits kick the chair from beneath you and take the final swing. Happy trails cultists. Conservative Springfield 20 Jan 08 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yes- both sides did. The North had the industries. The South had one
of the most valued raw materials- cotton. I do think Arlington a sad
punishment for Lee. Also- look what happened to Grant. Misery all
around.
On Jan 19, 7:19�pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
In that war, who didn't ??
On 1/19/09, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maybe. But he certainly chewed up a lot of men.
On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote:
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Honorable when speaking of him.
On Jan 19, 2:57 pm, wncs wncswonderl...@gmail.com wrote:
He was a fine, admirable man.
On Jan 19, 1:43 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
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One of my favorites
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