Obama's deck stacked in billed 'open' forum
In an event billed as an opportunity for the American people to ask questions of an open and transparent administration, the only fully identified inquirers plucked from the audience, it turns out, were Obama campaign supporters. At last week's Open for Questions forum, the full transcript and video of which is posted on the White House website, Obama answered several questions selected from a reported 100,000 queries posted online. He also took a handful of questions, in town hall fashion, from those in attendance at the event. But according to a Washington Post report, those audience members the president chose included a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama's campaign in 2008. After answering concerns submitted by online inquirers – including a question about legalization of marijuana that prompted the president to joke about the composition of the online community – Obama invited six audience members to pose questions. The first questioner, named Ellie, wasn't fully identified on the White House transcript of the event. The other five, however, were people later pegged as Obama campaign backers. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93194 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/3/259 snip According to social cognitive theory, moral restraints against killing are disinhibited by psychological mechanisms that make the taking of life an acceptable or worthy act, e.g. by providing moral justifications for killing.8 Among individuals and populations with positive attitudes toward killing, moral justification may be the central issue. To measure the collective attitudes that can lead to high homicide rates within populations, population surveys should focus on the degree to which people accept or support moral justifications for killing. Such measures should include justification of killing for economic reasons and for revenge, as well as justification of state-sponsored execution of criminals. Since the pioneering work by Blumenthal et al. on how men in the USA justify violence,9 most studies of this topic have used single survey items to make comparisons between populations with higher or lower levels of violence.7,10 Although some preliminary work has been done in Colombia,11 instruments have not been developed for international comparative studies. In its 2002 World Report on Violence and Health, 12 the World Health Organization has called for improvements in international data collection capacities and more research on causes of violence at the societal level. This report describes findings from four studies in which multi-faceted attitudinal measures were used to assess justification of killing, and reports the correlation between attitudes and national homicide rates. end snip Now do you want to talk about how we ended up in Iraq? Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 12:55 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would consider it IF you should as broad a brush if you did do in all inconvenient cases. Many lychings years ago had no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist So by this standard, many of the KKK lynchings were not done by the KKK... The problem here of course is some of Ayers partners tell a convincing story that they (including ayers) were indeed guilty and planning killing... Second what does the principle do to explain innocent men fround guilty... If indictment, and conviction then terrorist On Mar 28, 3:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get conservative here. no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist. On Mar 28, 2:25 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.michaelgraham.com/post/2009/03/28/We-Did-It!.aspx-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mo. ‘Choose Life’ plates approved by court
Alliance Defense Fund attorneys secured a victory from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit over Missouri Department of Revenue officials Thursday, clearing the way for the creation of “Choose Life” specialty license plates. In the lawsuit, ADF attorneys alleged the state violated Choose Life of Missouri’s free speech rights by engaging in viewpoint discrimination when it refused to approve the specialty plate based on its objection to the pro-life message while allowing the messages of other organizations on other specialty plates. “The state shouldn’t discriminate against pro-life organizations for their beliefs,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Joel Oster, who argued before the 8th Circuit in October of last year. “We are pleased with the 8th Circuit’s decision to recognize the unconstitutionality of the state’s approval process and look forward to the inclusion of Choose Life in Missouri’s specialty license plate program.” --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I think you mean moolah, Doc- I once wrote William Safire about the connections between moolah and mullahs. Unimpressed, he sent me a form letter of thanks.// One of my children set up my laptop and parts remain mysterious. I have a couple of books but I'm just not into reading them like a techie- I could turn to the Geek Squad, I guess.// Of course I don't mind if other posters view your links- I hope they do! I seem to be satisfied with slide shows- just saw one on Camille Paglia's article in Salon- carnival/Daniela Mercury= wonderful, full of energy. I also just like to read what you and others write. Words and wit remain a pleasure. I am too private for these video sites, internet dating and hook-ups, etc. I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. On Mar 28, 9:41�pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for
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Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A message from a Palestinian Professor
Nail on the head rigs; and nails in coffins because of distortions. What men won't do to prove some demented point so they maintain power over others. Even our own so called Christian preachers would suggest they have some special razzle dazzle person and that his his flock looks up to him and or go through him to get the Christ. If all are created equal then what's he got to do with it? I wish Voltaire were alive today and had a podium from which to speak! Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 4:29 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: History is distorted. Many textbooks have sections razored out in Muslim countries and curiousity/truth seeking is not allowed. The Internet is a threat to repressive states and religions. And, it isn't only Muslim countries. On Mar 26, 4:20 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Since our first president wrote a public letter to the first synagogue and jewish community welcoming them and defending their individual rights, I think anti-semitism in America is not American but is imported On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would say we have LESS prejudice against Jews than most countries, including Europe... On Mar 25, 4:25 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there was/is anti-Semitism in America because Jewish immigrants were such a success. Everywhere and about everything! Then, the Christians had a bone to pick for centuries. My (former) Liberal friends are quite artful at smothering their anti-Semitism socially because they need Jews to defend them in Court, donate money to their causes and charities, teach them and their children, increase their wealth, so on an so forth. I wrote a younger man for several years and was sad when he gave up on the Palestinians but after a while I have given up on them also- unlike my (former) Liberal friends who consider them victims just like the Blacks in America. And Hillary has now decided we are the reason for drug cartels in Mexico. Amazing! On Mar 25, 2:49 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: to some of the thug on the American Left... We have had some of these posters on this forum... The Professor is right in that they are about promoting the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence.. And of course all who oppose them are called war-mongers that they see when they look into a mirror... http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/03/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-a. .. What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the “occupation” as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel. Many of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas officials I talk to in the context of my work as a journalist sound much more pragmatic than most of the anti-Israel, “pro-Palestinian” folks on the campuses. Over the past 15 years, much has been written and said about the fact that Palestinian school textbooks don’t promote peace and coexistence and that the Palestinian media often publishes anti-Israel material. While this may be true, there is no ignoring the fact that the anti- Israel campaign on U.S. campuses is not less dangerous. What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
On Mar 29, 6:41 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. That's what I love about you rigs! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Yes yes moolah. No that throws the mind for American Al Capone God Father mullah loop; don't it ;-) Money and or power, not much difference is there? The wisdom of King Solomon and Beelzebub in the same bag. Voltaire where are you? Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 6:41 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you mean moolah, Doc- I once wrote William Safire about the connections between moolah and mullahs. Unimpressed, he sent me a form letter of thanks.// One of my children set up my laptop and parts remain mysterious. I have a couple of books but I'm just not into reading them like a techie- I could turn to the Geek Squad, I guess.// Of course I don't mind if other posters view your links- I hope they do! I seem to be satisfied with slide shows- just saw one on Camille Paglia's article in Salon- carnival/Daniela Mercury= wonderful, full of energy. I also just like to read what you and others write. Words and wit remain a pleasure. I am too private for these video sites, internet dating and hook-ups, etc. I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a
BREAKING FROM AMERICA'S TRUTH FORUM - AMMO SALE
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Subject: BREAKING FROM AMERICA'S TRUTH FORUM - AMMO SALE
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LONDON G-20 ECONOMIC SUMMIT: 35,000 liberals anarchists all in one place
From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/29
Subject: LONDON G-20 ECONOMIC SUMMIT: 35,000 liberals anarchists all in
one place
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Re: LONDON G-20 ECONOMIC SUMMIT: 35,000 liberals anarchists all in one place
where's a muslim with a car bomb when you need one.
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From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/29
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one place
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
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Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
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Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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Re: LONDON G-20 ECONOMIC SUMMIT: 35,000 liberals anarchists all in one place
LOL!!
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where's a muslim with a car bomb when you need one.
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From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/29
Subject: LONDON G-20 ECONOMIC SUMMIT: 35,000 liberals anarchists all in
one place
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Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The phraseology in this article is priceless
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Re: GOOD!!!!!!!
There is nothing convenient about it. It is black letter law on US soil. If their plans did indeed result in death(s) there is no statute of limitations charge and convict. By your standard there should be no problem doing so. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:55 PM, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would consider it IF you should as broad a brush if you did do in all inconvenient cases. Many lychings years ago had no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist So by this standard, many of the KKK lynchings were not done by the KKK... The problem here of course is some of Ayers partners tell a convincing story that they (including ayers) were indeed guilty and planning killing... Second what does the principle do to explain innocent men fround guilty... If indictment, and conviction then terrorist On Mar 28, 3:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get conservative here. no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist. On Mar 28, 2:25 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.michaelgraham.com/post/2009/03/28/We-Did-It!.aspx- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
If the govt gets out of the way, the people will
If the govt is going to take all the taxes and force people into service, then people will not. This columnist is one of the ones in favor of the govt doing all this stuff so why should the people then kick in. Makes no sense. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/opinion/29kristof.html?themc=th --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
If the students want to hold it off campus, then let them
The problem for me was that the students, without checking with the college, contracted with this POS to appear on campus. That would make it appear that the college knowing invited him and that is not what they did. I think the college was right all along. The only problem I see now is that the students want to restrict it to students, professors and alums. Are they afraid to let the public talk to this POS or is this a requirement by him? BC students move Ayers event Professor's lecture to be held off campus William Ayers was a controversial figure during the presidential election. (Keysha McGrady/ ABC) By Matt Collette Globe Correspondent / March 29, 2009 Email| Print| Single Page| Yahoo! Buzz| ShareThis Text size + A day after Boston College administrators canceled a lecture scheduled for tomorrow by William Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and former member of the Weather Underground Organization, student organizers behind the event were making plans to hold the talk off campus instead. Discuss COMMENTS (79) Students said they will hold the lecture, "The State of Democracy in America," at an off-campus location tomorrow, said Melissa Roberts, vice president of College Democrats of Boston College, which is cohosting the event with several other student groups. It will be open only to BC students, faculty, and staff. Ayers emerged as a controversial figure during the 2008 presidential election, when he was linked to then-candidate Barack Obama. The group was responsible for bombings at the Capitol and Pentagon in the 1970s and considered by some to have been involved in the killing of Walter A. Schroeder, a Boston police officer who was shot in 1970 by political radical William Gilday during a bank robbery in Brighton. In a telephone interview from his Chicago home yesterday, Ayers said he had not been officially informed the university had canceled the event and still planned to travel to Boston College for the lecture. "It's kind of a shameful thing to the administration because one can certainly understand why in Saudi Arabia or Serbia or China why speakers would be canceled for a variety of reasons," he said. "But in the US, in a democracy, that doesn't make sense." A spokesman for Boston College issued a brief statement yesterday, referring to the cancellation as an "internal matter at a private university." "After extensive discussions between student organizers and university administrators, a decision was reached to cancel the event," BC spokesman Jack Dunn said in a statement. "In light of additional information that was shared with the students on the actions of the Weather Underground, including their alleged involvement in the killing of a Boston Police officer in nearby Allston, and out of concern for the safety and well being of our students, we believe that the appropriate decision was reached." Ayers said he plans to discuss urban education, the focus of his academic work, at his appearance tomorrow. "One of his big ideas is of educating the whole child, which is sneakily similar to the Jesuit idea cura personalis, which is care for the whole person," said Roberts. "So we saw the obvious similarities here, and that's why we invited Ayers to speak." The event was planned more than a month ago, said Roberts and Michael Madormo, president of the Americans for Informed Democracy student group at BC. The student organizers said administrators were initially cautious, but had warmed to the idea of hosting Ayers. Obama's opponents in the election regularly criticized his purported connection to Ayers. Obama and Ayers served together on a Chicago school board and a foundation board, but both men have said their relationship was limited to the topics they were discussing. "We've been working on this for over a month with the administration, and we've slowly been moving forward," Madormo said. "They've always been hesitant, but we've moved forward. His invitation in no way sanctioned his action or the Weather Underground, but was to start a dialogue on urban education and education reform." Ayers and student leaders said they believe the university acted in reaction to calls and e-mails from alumni and the community. On Friday, talk radio host Michael Graham interviewed Dunn on his show, "The Natural Truth," which airs on WTKK, and posted e-mail addresses for several university administrators, including college president William P. Leahy, on his website. The same day, administrators canceled the event. Ayers compared the last-minute reactions of BC administrators to a mob mentality. "Let's say the mob gathers outside the gate at BC and demands that they teach astrology, or creationism, or that the world is flat," said Ayers. "Should they then give in to the mob and teach those things? Absolutely not. So why should they do that with this?"
Gotta love the Mass legislators and governor - what a crew!! Not an ethical one in the bunch
Yvonne Abraham With this cast, a cloud By Yvonne Abraham Globe Columnist / March 29, 2009 Email| Print| Single Page| Yahoo! Buzz| ShareThis Text size + You'd think we'd be mighty happy with our elected leaders right now, what with all the ethics reforming at the State House. Discuss COMMENTS (6) After last fall's snapshots of state Senator Dianne Wilkerson stuffing cash into her unmentionables, Governor Deval Patrick proposed a giant overhaul of ethics rules. That excellent, sweeping plan was designed to blow the dark cloud of mistrust off the golden dome. And, immediately following the resignation of House Speaker Sal DiMasi amid accusations of influence-peddling, his successor, Robert DeLeo, invoked his own white-horse rhetoric, vowing to make the overhaul his first priority. True to his word, the House unanimously passed a giant set of new ethics rules on Thursday night that included much of what the governor had asked for: bigger fines for ethics violations, stricter oversight of lobbyists, the kinds of things the watchdogs have been seeking for decades. Yep, these should be heady days for the skeptics who thought the thing would never fly. So why are the pols' approval ratings through the floor? Maybe it's because, even as they do things that should make us proud in some departments, our tin-eared leaders act nit-wittishly in others. Take the governor, for example. He loudly led the charge to cleanse the State House of suspicion's stain. This made him look like one of the good guys. But he is also the guy who - in the midst of his ethics reform spectacular - gave a big, fat $175,000 job to state Senator Marian Walsh, and then made out it was someone else's idea. Then, after he was pilloried for declaring the controversy "trivial" when thousands of his constituents are struggling to get by on unemployment, he reduced his loyal supporter's fat salary to a portly $120,000. That cloud ain't budging. And what about the House? Bless them for adopting most of the governor's suggestions and improving on some of them. But they didn't do their public image any favors by pulling out two very important provisions. First, legislators put the kibosh on a proposal allowing state investigators to wiretap conversations in corruption probes, electing to study the matter further. Federal investigators can already record those conversations. And the attorney general wouldn't be running around pointing microphones at legislators willy-nilly: A court would have to decide she had just cause. So what would any honest legislator have to fear here? Second, they pulled a provision tightening restrictions on gifts from people who might want to influence lawmakers' actions. When the outcry over that grew loud enough, they inserted an amendment that did little but re-state the original, murky rule. Is it any wonder the public worries their hearts aren't really in this? It's hard to tell whether things will be any better in the Senate, where the bill is headed next. That's because Senate President Terry Murray has been largely absent from the public discussions of ethics reform since she stood before reporters in a State House lobby back in October, steaming at Wilkerson's transgressions. When Patrick first proposed his reforms, Murray was, again, hopping mad, believing him to be grandstanding, and directing his criticisms at her chamber, said people who spoke with her at the time. Lately, she has given no hint of what she likes and dislikes in the proposals by the governor and the House, and no inkling of when she would take up the matter. And though he has spoken of the Senate's commitment to reform during hearings, Senate Ethics Committee chairman Frederick Berry's response to the House package has so far consisted of belly-aching about not being consulted by DeLeo. None of this petulance inspires immense confidence. Which is why when it comes to this cast of characters, the clouds may yet linger over Beacon Hill. Yvonne Abraham is a Globe columnist. Her e-mail address is abra...@globe.com Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company. READER COMMENTS (6) Post a comment Ever wonder how it is that when individuals are asked about their district representation they are convinced their guy/gal is "great". How is it then that collectively there is so much disfunction. ... Click here to see full comment Ever wonder how it is that when individuals are asked about their district representation they are convinced their guy/gal is "great". How is it then that collectively there is so much disfunction. Never vote for an incumbent at any level. by willdcasey March 29, 10:30 AM Report Abuse
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Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help wanted on Money and Banking plans
Bruce -- I asked three questions in my response to your first email. Unless you answer those questions, I must conclude that you are not serious about communicating and I will herewith terminate our discussion. Marty On Mar 27, 1:56 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: you know you need to read some public choice theory so you will understand the institutional incentives of government bureaucracies you do know that most congresscritter are millionaires and many make money serving on corporate boards and engaging in business and real estate deals where they use government and regulation to create opportunities for themselves On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM, martycarbone martycarb...@yahoo.comwrote: On Mar 25, 11:19 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: but the people on the congressional committee's caused the crisis so they could expand their power why would they want a solution My response follows: Bruce --- Do you really believe that every single member of those committees caused the crisis on purpose? Don't you think that we might be able to find a few true patriots on those committees who might help us -- by giving us good advice about what can be done to solve our current problems. What is the purpose of your response to my email. Are you saying I should give up on my plans to go to Washington? If you do not like my plan -- please either tell me why -- or submit a plan of your own, in the hopes that someone in this group will be willing to help you. Marty Carbone martycarb...@yahoo.com On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:07 AM, martycarbone martycarb...@yahoo.com wrote: List buddies, I have been working hard on figuring out the current Money and Banking crisis and have come up with some plans that my wife and I plan to take to Washington, D.C. in May. We plan to present the plans to each member of both Congressional Banking Committees One of the plans involves plain old common people starting State- Chartered, Narrow Banks under existing laws and regulations. No new laws are needed to put this plan into existence. I envision the first group of banks being given charters to open banks that would be chartered solely to give 4% mortgages on single-family, owner-occupied homes. Because of the enormous leverage involved in bank lending -- the profits that such loans would generate are enormous. I figure something like 35% on the invested capital is likely. This is based on the fact that all banks can lend 10 times the amount of its invested capital and the operating of such a narrow bank will have minimum expense. I anticipate and recommend that the charter would limit the actual cash returns to the bank stockholders to 6% -- with the other 29% being used for the common good -- primarily to go into a fund that would go toward nationwide Healthcare and Social Security Insurance. It occurs to me that someone on this list might like to open the first bank of this type. You can see a rough draft of this plan at http://www.alphabeticalist.com/Money%20Section/howtosolve.html I am working on the plan -- so the website version is not the final version. The first page of the website has a link to another Silver Bullet Plan and gives my general ideas on the subject of Money and Banking. You will find links to all sorts of solid information on the subject. http://www.alphabeticalist.com My background is at http://www.alphabeticalist.com/backgroundMRC.html This is a pro-bono project for me. I have no financial interest or profit motive in any of this. I would appreciate comments, suggestions and advice from list members. Do any of you know your way around Washington? Regards, Marty Carbone / marycar...@yahoo.com / 760-603-1910 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
so the solution is to just keep your head stuffed up your ass, eh? and you have no problem with these small hung muslim animals killing their women and daughters? with that attitude, the half the world would be speaking german, and the other half japanese. On Mar 29, 1:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Is The United States The Israel Of Bible Prophecy?
Is The United States The Israel Of Bible Prophecy? Well, if so Ezekiel chapters 36, 37, and 38 refer to the United States not the modern day country calling itself Israel. There has been a great falling away from the faith in recent years in the United States of America. I read in a newspaper article that my home state of Wisconsin in 1990 had 90% of our people professing that they were Christians and today only 75%. That's an awful drop in just 15 years, and this has happened throughout the United States and had happened earlier in Europe. We need revival, my friends, and in fact that last days revival is already here. Get in and be a part of it because that means there isn't a lot of time left. The early and latter rains are falling preparing a harvest. If you get a chance on Friday nights watch live on the Daystar network the World Revival Church from Kansas City, Missouri with Pastor Steve Gray. But why do I think the United States is the Israel of Bible prophecy? Even with this great falling away it is still a predominantly Christian nation and the main country of missionary activity. It was founded by Christians who in fact called it the New Israel. And of course in the last 150 years millions of Jews have gathered to the United States from around the world. There are still a lot more Jews today in the United States than in the modern state called Israel. So what is Israel then? I think this is the Babylon of Bible prophecies. The Bible says this nation will be destroyed by fire in one hour. See Revelation chapters 17 and 18 and Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51. The Bible says Babylon has shed the blood of saints and martyrs, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn said the Zionist Jews who controlled the old Soviet Union under Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky were responsible for killing some 66 million people, many if not most of them Christians. And the decendants of those old Soviet Jews are now largely living in Israel, with some of them in the United States. Israel was always a wicked country, but it seems in recent years they have gotten worse than ever. I understand that many Israelis gathered on a hill so they could see and cheer on the recent Israeli massacre in Gaza. But you say these are the decendants of Abraham? But similar Jews in Jesus' day said the same and He said they were really the children of the devil. He said He knew they were technically the seed of Abraham but that Abraham hadn't acted like them. Abraham was a just man while they were liars and murderers. And of course they murdered Jesus Christ, Stephen and many in the early church as they had earlier the prophets. Some say God loves the Jews best, that they're His chosen people. No they aren't! The Bible says God is no respecter of persons. Acts 10:34. God is love and He loves us all equally. God if the Creator of all the nationalities and peoples of the world. So you Jews need to seek the LORD with all your hearts, with fasting and prayer, as your ancestors did. Turn away from the man-made Talmud, that contradicts the Bible, to the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and Messiah. The Jewish Jesus is a good television program with a Messianic Jewish rabbi. The Bible tells the people of Babylon to come out of her, at least spiritually, that ye be not partaker of her plagues. And we Christians need to get revived. We need to stop sinning. Get out of the lodges. Separate from the world. Get filled with the Holy Spirit. We're in a time of shaking already and I don't think we have a lot of time left. God is going to supernaturally preach the gospel to every creature, all the world, in these last days and we all from all over the world will have the chance to go along with Jesus soon to heaven in the rapture of the bride of Christ. The Bible says there will be a great multitude there from every kindred and tribe of the whole world, and YOU can be one of them! http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
What a sweet post- thank you and ditto! On Mar 29, 7:50�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Mar 29, 6:41�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: �I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. That's what I love about you rigs! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
To quote myself: If this practice is exported to the US then do something. So what you are saying is the practices they see as disgusting in the US should be influenced and lobbied against by them ?? They should be able to enter militarily or politically in into the fray if it is utterly repugnant to them ?? Or is this just another one sided we ARE the masters we are always correct arguement. Each to his own On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: so the solution is to just keep your head stuffed up your ass, eh? and you have no problem with these small hung muslim animals killing their women and daughters? with that attitude, the half the world would be speaking german, and the other half japanese. On Mar 29, 1:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women.
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Please see / below for my response --- Marty Carbone = (mrc) On Mar 27, 3:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. /// Good idea -- please keep me informed -- (mrc) I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. / OK (mrc) Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., / Is Joe Fritz a relative of a Mike Fritz who works in Washington DC? I communicated with a Mike Fritz last Sunday (mrc) (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ /// Thanks for the plug. (mrc) = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off / Written off -- means, in plain English. TAKE THE LOSS. Any Accountant or bookkeeper knows that as well as they know their own name. The problem is that the investment part of the banks, being the simps they are and do not want to 'fess-up and take the loss. They are expecting a miracle -- and it looks like our government is getting ready to create a miracle for them -- by buying those bad assets at inflated prices. They are hoping nobody will notice that -- because that money comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers -- and how can they really complain? (mrc) of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. /// My comment may be a little beside the point -- but I question whether or not the FDIC has the right to issue such a mandate considering the enormous implications and unintended consequences such a mandate might have. I would think such a move would have to be passed by Congress or at least the President. We can't have the regulatory tail wagging the economic dog. (mrc) This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. I have a hard time seeing how this mandate is the crux of the problem. Please explain. I think you might be making a common mistake that has been rampant recently. You can't solve operational problems and losses by moving words and numbers around on the related books and records. This type of thinking is, I believe, what got us in trouble. The Investment bankers thought they could make money by manipulating words and numbers and thereby create wealth. That is, for the most part, impossible. Wealth simply can't be created by what is normally called investing. Virtually all investing simply moves money from one person to another -- it does not create wealth. If I buy a stock today for $100 and sell it next week for $200, I can legitimately say I made a profit of $100 -- but I did not create $100 or create wealth worth $100. All I did essentially was to make $100 that was lost by the person who sold me the stock. Stock trading is a zero-sum game. Although people have gotten wealthy by buying and selling stock -- it is a game for people who do not know how to create or produce wealth. Stock trading and most (perhaps all?) investing can't produce wealth. Most investing should be seen as what it is -- it is a gamble. And like most gambling the gains and losses are exactly equal -- they can't produce wealth -- except for the house or the bookie. In business, if a good businessman loses money -- he accepts the loss, records it as a loss and , hopefully learns a lesson that he swears not to repeat. The knave, the fool and the scoundrel, on the other hand, look for ways to manipulate the books so no-one will ever know they had a loss. Those who can create wealth, work at producing goods and services that are worth more than it cost to produce those goods and services. Those who can't produce wealth call themselves investors and simply shuffle papers and move words and numbers around and make money (not wealth) thereby -- (mrc) In a nutshell, these toxic assets are
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Solomon died broke, Doc. 600+ concubines. A palace and temple built by Hiram of Tyre- they even sent carpenters! :-) Sheba went back to her kingdom...the united kingdom collapsed... On Mar 29, 7:58�am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Yes yes moolah. No that throws the mind for American Al Capone God Father mullah loop; don't it ;-) Money and or power, not much difference is there? The wisdom of King Solomon and Beelzebub in the same bag. Voltaire where are you? Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 6:41�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you mean moolah, Doc- I once wrote William Safire about the connections between moolah and mullahs. Unimpressed, he sent me a form letter of thanks.// One of my children set up my laptop and parts remain mysterious. I have a couple of books but I'm just not into reading them like a techie- I could turn to the Geek Squad, I guess.// Of course I don't mind if other posters view your links- I hope they do! I seem to be satisfied with slide shows- just saw one on Camille Paglia's article in Salon- carnival/Daniela Mercury= wonderful, full of energy. I also just like to read what you and others write. Words and wit remain a pleasure. I am too private for these video sites, internet dating and hook-ups, etc. I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace,
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Sitting next to an obese person on a plane is a health risk! I am sure
you meant to be helpful, so thank you- I say the same to my internist
when I drop by every few years- last span was eight years. If I would
start telling you what I have observed from people on rx you might
desire a different profession. In fact, I have incurred some
resentments as I am in good shape and seem to be the exception to the
rule/outcome. The outcome, by the way, is always death! Have known non-
smokers to die of lung cancer. And- what are you emitting from your
tailpipe? Or your dry cleaners?
On Mar 29, 8:42�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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I just answered this at some length -- but the computer cut me off before I was finished -- saying I had run out of time Hopefully my answer -- though truncated, will tell you how I feel. What was posted tells almost all of what I had to say. I would appreciate a response from you. Also, I would appreciate a more complete response to the plan I proposed -- I know you said you mostly agreed -- but I wish you will tell me what you found that you did not like. Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Now, you've got me fired up! Food/water is a risk factor. Genes are a
factor. The individual's immune system is a factor. How the individual
gets compromised into fatal disease is complex. I don't mind hefty men
but morbid obesity is asking for trouble/disease. I have my own theory
that excess/extreme fat is a haven for health problems on the cellular
level and is the basis for fatal diseases. But Life is Fatal!
On Mar 29, 8:42�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Nor do you address the enormous increase in asthma in industrialized
nations unrelated to smoking.
On Mar 29, 8:42�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
The Topkapi palace harem in Istanbul did not include Muslim women. The women were chosen from slaves/conquests. One of the favorites being from the Ukraine. The Sultan actally married her. On Mar 29, 3:20 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: To quote myself: If this practice is exported to the US then do something. So what you are saying is the practices they see as disgusting in the US should be influenced and lobbied against by them ?? They should be able to enter militarily or politically in into the fray if it is utterly repugnant to them ?? Or is this just another one sided we ARE the masters we are always correct arguement. Each to his own On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: so the solution is to just keep your head stuffed up your ass, eh? and you have no problem with these small hung muslim animals killing their women and daughters? with that attitude, the half the world would be speaking german, and the other half japanese. On Mar 29, 1:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a
[Fwd: Very Smart Marine Officer Weighs in on Iraq and Afghanistan]
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- ---BeginMessage--- (Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.) __ An Iraq-experienced young officer shares some well-informed insights. There seems to be a very warm welcome for President Obama's newly unveiled AfPak strategy. Am I alone in seeing this plan as a road map to failure? Of course Pakistani and Afghan leaders welcome the plan that will put billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars worth of assets at their disposal. The more invested we become in their corruption, the more leverage they have. Karzai wouldn't be able to administer Atlanta or Miami, yet he has strategic influence with the United States and NATO. Such people are happy to see more influence pumping through the pipes, yet we have no plan to build the 400,000 security forces that our own experts say are required to secure Afghanistan. Instead, we have a plan to reach the half-way mark after about three years, and no announced plan to reach 400,000. There is little in the Obama plan to be excited about. Some have called it bold, but from my boots it looks like a recipe for disaster. We are steaming toward failure in AfPak, but with more steam than ever before. -- Very Respectfully, Michael Yon Michael Yon P.O. Box 5553 Winter Haven, Fl 33880 -- The following information is a reminder of your current mailing list subscription: You are subscribed to the following list: Michael Yon Online Magazine using the following email: rhomp2...@earthlink.net You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL: http://www.michaelyon-online.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/u/Dispatches/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the entire address. Some mail readers will wrap a long URL and thus break this automatic unsubscribe mechanism. You may also change your subscription by visiting this list's main screen: http://www.michaelyon-online.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/Dispatches If you're still having trouble, please contact the list owner at: mailto:myonm...@michaelyon-online.com The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: PO Box 5553 Winter Haven, FL 33880---End Message---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Nor the sharp rise in allergies.
On Mar 29, 8:42�am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23�am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
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Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Here's a thread from another forum that mightl give you some of my and others ideas. http://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/thread/a5d616d654f1eb55/ba9abb1a4282beca?hl=en#ba9abb1a4282beca Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 3:23 pm, martycarbone martycarb...@yahoo.com wrote: Please see / below for my response --- Marty Carbone = (mrc) On Mar 27, 3:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. /// Good idea -- please keep me informed -- (mrc) I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. / OK (mrc) Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., / Is Joe Fritz a relative of a Mike Fritz who works in Washington DC? I communicated with a Mike Fritz last Sunday (mrc) (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ /// Thanks for the plug. (mrc) = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off / Written off -- means, in plain English. TAKE THE LOSS. Any Accountant or bookkeeper knows that as well as they know their own name. The problem is that the investment part of the banks, being the simps they are and do not want to 'fess-up and take the loss. They are expecting a miracle -- and it looks like our government is getting ready to create a miracle for them -- by buying those bad assets at inflated prices. They are hoping nobody will notice that -- because that money comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers -- and how can they really complain? (mrc) of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. /// My comment may be a little beside the point -- but I question whether or not the FDIC has the right to issue such a mandate considering the enormous implications and unintended consequences such a mandate might have. I would think such a move would have to be passed by Congress or at least the President. We can't have the regulatory tail wagging the economic dog. (mrc) This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. I have a hard time seeing how this mandate is the crux of the problem. Please explain. I think you might be making a common mistake that has been rampant recently. You can't solve operational problems and losses by moving words and numbers around on the related books and records. This type of thinking is, I believe, what got us in trouble. The Investment bankers thought they could make money by manipulating words and numbers and thereby create wealth. That is, for the most part, impossible. Wealth simply can't be created by what is normally called investing. Virtually all investing simply moves money from one person to another -- it does not create wealth. If I buy a stock today for $100 and sell it next week for $200, I can legitimately say I made a profit of $100 -- but I did not create $100 or create wealth worth $100. All I did essentially was to make $100 that was lost by the person who sold me the stock. Stock trading is a zero-sum game. Although people have gotten wealthy by buying and selling stock -- it is a game for people who do not know how to create or produce wealth. Stock trading and most (perhaps all?) investing can't produce wealth. Most investing should be seen as what it is -- it is a gamble. And like most gambling the gains and losses are exactly equal -- they can't produce wealth -- except for the house or the bookie. In business, if a good businessman loses money -- he accepts the loss, records it as a loss and , hopefully learns a lesson that he swears not to repeat. The knave, the fool and the scoundrel, on the other hand, look for ways to manipulate the books so no-one
Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
Martyrdom was not esposed by Judaism but by Romans and Early Christians. Massada (sp?) was an exception. On Mar 29, 1:11 pm, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: so the solution is to just keep your head stuffed up your ass, eh? and you have no problem with these small hung muslim animals killing their women and daughters? with that attitude, the half the world would be speaking german, and the other half japanese. On Mar 29, 1:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed raid of a women's shelter where she had been. I managed to escape, said Elif. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honor – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy. In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=93252-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's
Re: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide
I think you need to look at the RCC and its view of divorce for Catholics. If you are not annulled you are a suicide soul of sorts. Then look at the trend of Jewish men to marry blonde non-Jews- what does that do but diminish Jews- as Jews are passed through the female. That was a nice thought! On Mar 29, 3:20 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: To quote myself: If this practice is exported to the US then do something. So what you are saying is the practices they see as disgusting in the US should be influenced and lobbied against by them ?? They should be able to enter militarily or politically in into the fray if it is utterly repugnant to them ?? Or is this just another one sided we ARE the masters we are always correct arguement. Each to his own On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: so the solution is to just keep your head stuffed up your ass, eh? and you have no problem with these small hung muslim animals killing their women and daughters? with that attitude, the half the world would be speaking german, and the other half japanese. On Mar 29, 1:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, how's this What happens in Turkey is happening in Turkey. US groups have NO right to make comment. It is absolutely none of your business on ANY level. If this practice is exported to the US then do something. Your rights (on ANY level) end at your borders. The US and its people have forgotten this. These are Sovereign nations and their culture and traditions. When there are no more drug gangs, no more starving people on your streets, when all your people have access to medical and general health care, when equality reigns in your courts and education is once again at least decent and universal THEN and only then can you have an opinion. But you won't need to have one then as the US will be the example that it purports to be; but is failing miserably at. Your system would be copied and desire to accomplish the same would be rampant in the world and you won't have to say a word. The best form of leadership is by example.. no other method has ever worked.(for long) On Mar 29, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark!!! (And CW!!) I find the silence from the so-called women'ts groups not only deafening, but just out right hypocritical. It is just another demonstration of how their agenda is not what it appears to be, *e,g*,; women's rights equality; which I believe is secondary to these groups' partisan, and apparently secularist, far left socialist-elitist agenda. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I find the silence from the so called women's groups deafening. On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: In her hometown of Batman – nicknamed Suicide City – 75 percent of all suicides are committed now by women. Now mark, we both know the hometown of Batman is Gotham City. ;-) The bottom line is the religion of peace doesn't value life and that is the slippery slope we go down regarding the unborn. CW - Original Message - From: Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net To: PoliticalForum PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 07:16 Subject: Muslim women told: For family's sake, commit suicide Turkey's crackdown on the practice of honor killing has resulted in unintended consequences – instead of being murdered by a close male relative for bringing dishonor to their families, Muslim women are being pressured to commit suicide. And the numbers of honor suicides are soaring, reported the UK's Independent. Despite a 2005 change in the nation's penal code requiring a mandatory life sentence for honor killers, the number of women killed by male relatives is at a record level – more than 200 a year, half of all murders committed in Turkey. But it is that change in the law that has given rise to the growing phenomenon of women taking their own lives. Prior to 2005, killers were able to receive reduced sentences by claiming provocation. Elif, 18, from Batman in southeast Turkey, was told by her father she must kill herself so he would not be sent to prison for murdering her after she refused an offer of an arranged marriage with an older man. I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong, she said. But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much. The young woman was forced to flee and go into hiding. Her uncles and other relatives have been hunting her for the past eight months, even conducting an armed
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I've had hours of lectures in medical school on the subject. Cars,
allergies, food, water, etc. etc. etc. don't even come close to the
damage inflicted by cigarette smoke. Again, I'm an ex smoker..and
almost done with my second year of medical school. You're not going to
win this one.
While I agree there are multiple risks out there, why would you
intentionally up the ante intentionally?
As for the environment, I'm all for cleaner air.
On Mar 29, 5:14 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nor do you address the enormous increase in asthma in industrialized
nations unrelated to smoking.
On Mar 29, 8:42 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax
increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can
seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully
convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces.
Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business,
individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a
taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead-
end road.
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Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Guns, Germs and Steel- you're so out od it.
On Mar 29, 5:06�pm, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
I've had hours of lectures in medical school on the subject. Cars,
allergies, food, water, etc. etc. etc. don't even come close to the
damage inflicted by cigarette smoke. Again, I'm an ex smoker..and
almost done with my second year of medical school. You're not going to
win this one.
While I agree there are multiple risks out there, why would you
intentionally up the ante intentionally?
As for the environment, I'm all for cleaner air.
On Mar 29, 5:14�pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nor do you address the enormous increase in asthma in industrialized
nations unrelated to smoking.
On Mar 29, 8:42 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote:
You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
=
Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is
because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and
standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to
me does.
I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD
to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in
almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking
is a risk factor.
I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it
is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better
to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles.
Trust me.you don't want COPD.
On Mar 28, 4:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up
lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in
America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of
smoking, I presume.
On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a
carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax
increase
$6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay
appx
70% of price in taxes.
BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54.
When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said
you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket-
whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often
wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and
thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the
neighborhood-
and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking
city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy
around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are.
On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote:
Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has
been
underway for decades.
It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an
hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner,
you
know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh.
Or
forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket.
Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can
seize
you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully
convicted
sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy
Graces. Or
little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on
productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business,
individuals,
and anyone else not beholden.
How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the
illiterate,
the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up
cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has
taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting
squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a
taxi,
too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police
shakedown.
While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the
dead-
end road.
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Do not like the sounds of this one little bit
Would you trust the UN on this kind of thing? ++ | UN Attacks Free Speech | | from the anti-blasphemy-enshrined dept. | | posted by kdawson on Saturday March 28, @20:10 (Censorship) | | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/2134218 | ++ [0]newsblaze writes The UN Human Rights Council [1]assaulted free expression today, in a 23-11 vote that urges member states to adopt laws outlawing criticism of religions. The proposal came to the UN from Pakistan on behalf of the Organization for the Islamic Conference. There were 13 abstentions. South Korea, Japan, India, Mexico and Brazil, all strong democracies, allowed this to pass by abrogating their responsibility. While the resolution doesn't mention the online world, where does this subject get mentioned most, if not online? The coverage is from NewsBlaze, which says its mission is to carry important news that other media are not paying attention to. There does not seem to be any other coverage of this vote. Update: 03/29 00:48 GMT by [2]KD : Reader kshade wrote in: Actually this is covered by conventional media, even FOX news ([3]Google News links). The absentees weren't there because they boycotted the proposal. Discuss this story at: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/28/2134218 Links: 0. mailto:supp...@newsblaze.com 1. http://newsblaze.com/story/20090327170413.nb/topstory.html 2. http://slashdot.org/~kdawson/ 3. http://news.google.com/news?pz=1ned=ushl=enq=UN+Religion --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do not like the sounds of this one little bit
We know who the enemy is. The animals in the ME will lose. Next ... On Mar 30, 12:19 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Would you trust the UN on this kind of thing? ++ | UN Attacks Free Speech | | from the anti-blasphemy-enshrined dept. | | posted by kdawson on Saturday March 28, @20:10 (Censorship) | | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/2134218 | ++ [0]newsblaze writes The UN Human Rights Council [1]assaulted free expression today, in a 23-11 vote that urges member states to adopt laws outlawing criticism of religions. The proposal came to the UN from Pakistan on behalf of the Organization for the Islamic Conference. There were 13 abstentions. South Korea, Japan, India, Mexico and Brazil, all strong democracies, allowed this to pass by abrogating their responsibility. While the resolution doesn't mention the online world, where does this subject get mentioned most, if not online? The coverage is from NewsBlaze, which says its mission is to carry important news that other media are not paying attention to. There does not seem to be any other coverage of this vote. Update: 03/29 00:48 GMT by [2]KD : Reader kshade wrote in: Actually this is covered by conventional media, even FOX news ([3]Google News links). The absentees weren't there because they boycotted the proposal. Discuss this story at: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/03/28/2134218 Links: 0. mailto:supp...@newsblaze.com 1.http://newsblaze.com/story/20090327170413.nb/topstory.html 2.http://slashdot.org/~kdawson/ 3.http://news.google.com/news?pz=1ned=ushl=enq=UN+Religion --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
