Re: Time for Ron Paul to Help the Republican Party
Republicans are up the banking cartels ass! The elephant is still in the room robi9ng and pillaging everything excepting what makes us all dependent as the bankers and or government our so called democratic state leaving out the due processes that are suppose to form THE REPUBLIC who are those who have configured the laws like THEY have need for; NOT FOR WE THE PEOPLE what is better known ABOVE THE LAW even MAKING THEIR OWN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW Peace, Doc On Monday, September 10, 2012 4:50:01 PM UTC-5, KeithInKöln wrote: Viguerie makes a lot of sense. There is not a lot of difference (as we have since reviewed and discovered!) between Paul's issues and the Republican Party platform. Yes, Paul needs to show support to a Party that has in fact help pave the way for him. I know, Paulites hate to hear the truth.. On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:46 PM, MJ mich...@america.net javascript:wrote: By Richard A. Viguerie | 9/10/12 Admittedly, Ron Paul and his delegates to the Convention were treated in a ham handed way by establishment Republicans – but that is hardly cause to hand the election to Barack Obama and control of the Senate to the Democrats. Like so many Republicans, this author wants to BLAME Paul and his supporters for Republican failures. Had the Republicans DELIVERED on their 'Revolution' in 1996, we would very likely be in an economic BOOM not seen in a century ... we would not even know who Barack Obama was beyond (possibly) a Senator from Illinois. It is well past time for Republicans to take responsibility for putting forth Lemons -- (without going back too far) Ford, HW Bush, Dole, McCain and now Romney. Regard$, --MJ Hopefully, this [2012 Republican Convention/Primary shenanigans] will end the movement's false hope that you can take over or reform the Republican party. Even if we did, the media and key politicians would suddenly claim the Republican Party was captured by extremistsand move to form a new party which they would instantly grant majority status. That's what they did in Israel when they formed Kadima. And even if it were possible to finally expose the conspiracy which controls both parties, they would reform and create new parties with new names and fresh faces, but controlled by the same people. That's what they did in Italy in 1994 when all the major parties were exposed for corruption. Fighting secret combinations of power in government is extremely difficult once they have gained control of a majority in Congress, the courts, and the media, not to mention the secret organs of enforcement in the police state. -- Joel Skousen -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The United States is being changed from a Republic to Communism
You are the proverbial frog in boiling water hollywood. America is no longer a republic and hasn't been for some time now. Like Bush (calling himself a christian and having a so-called christian following) and company lying then going into war makes him a Christian as does America and where it stands in as a republic? Calling oneself a thing and being the example of that thing is two different things entirely. Here's one for you hollywood http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=elwdterminalL=3L0=HomeL1=BusinessesL2=Workers%27+Compensationsid=Elwdb=terminalcontentf=dia_faqs_employers_questionscsid=Elwd 15. I am the owner of a very small business, with only a few employees. Do I need workers' compensation insurance? All employers in Massachusetts are required by state law to carry workers' compensation insurance covering their employees, including themselves if they are an employee of their company. This requirement applies regardless of the number of hours worked in any given week, except that domestic service employees must work a minimum of 16 hours per week in order to require coverage. 16. I own a small business. The only person working with me is my wife (or son, or brother). Do I need workers compensation insurance? Yes, family members must be covered by workers' compensation insurance, even if they are they only employees of the company. Peace, Doc On Jan 11, 3:38 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, Bull-fucking-shit. Useage of the term took over clearly implies the aquisition was against the wishes of the company itself and COMPLETE control. Therefore, bull-fucking-shit. On Jan 11, 10:15 am, Dave k19j...@yahoo.com wrote: Our Republic is based on Capitalism. Capitalist Republic - Businesses and their Employees pay taxes to the Government. The Representatives of the Government that we voted for, spend that money. Communism - Government owns or controls Businesses. The Government makes it's money from these Businesses and supports the people. I have just shown how Government Jobs have overtaken non-government jobs.http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-goods-producing-wroke... General Motors and Chrysler are now owned by the Government. The United States is changing from a Capitalist Republic to Communism. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The United States is being changed from a Republic to Communism
what's this? http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=elwdterminalL=3L0=HomeL1=BusinessesL2=Workers%27+Compensationsid=Elwdb=terminalcontentf=dia_faqs_employers_questionscsid=Elwd 15. I am the owner of a very small business, with only a few employees. Do I need workers' compensation insurance? All employers in Massachusetts are required by state law to carry workers' compensation insurance covering their employees, including themselves if they are an employee of their company. This requirement applies regardless of the number of hours worked in any given week, except that domestic service employees must work a minimum of 16 hours per week in order to require coverage. 16. I own a small business. The only person working with me is my wife (or son, or brother). Do I need workers compensation insurance? Yes, family members must be covered by workers' compensation insurance, even if they are they only employees of the company. Peace, Doc On Jan 12, 11:02 pm, studio tl...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 12, 7:17 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: What private industry jobs is the government overtaking? He's worried about, and more accurately, the Nationalization of 3 large companies out of 10,000. That's a far cry from accurately being labeled socialism or communism. And besides that, there are literally a 100's of large entities the government is involved in, and arguably needed the way they are, with some having no possibility of being truly privatized. It's been that way for a long time, and it isn't going to change anytime soon, if just slowly at best. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The United States is being changed from a Republic to Communism
From where did Osama Bin Laden come from? What is your opinion of Blackwater officers being used at home in homeland security etc? http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news37.htm And what the hell is this about? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388 http://www.parents-choice.org/product.cfm?product_id=18579award=xxfrom=Scholastic%20Inc. http://www.britannia.com/history/time1b.html and here's some history for ya plano c.446 - Vortigern authorizes the use of Saxon mercenaries, known as foederati, for the defense of the northern parts against barbarian attack. To guard against further Irish incursions, Cunedda and his sons are moved from Manau Gododdin in northern Britain to northwest Wales. 447 - Second visit of St. Germanus (this time accompanied by Severus, Bishop of Trier) to Britain. Was this visit spiritually motivated, to combat a revived Pelagian threat or was Germanus sent in Aetius' stead, to do whatever he could to help the desperate Britons? c.447 - Britons, aroused to heroic effort, inflicted a massacre on their enemies, the Picts and Irish, and were left in peace, for a brief time. Could this heroic effort have been led, again, by St. Germanus? c.448 - Death of St. Germanus in Ravenna. Civil war and plague ravage Britain. Peace, Doc On Jan 13, 12:15 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: How about we talk about private industry overtaking govt. jobs/ functions? Since when do we allow private industry to run our prisons? We have damn near as many mercenaries in Iraq Afghanistan as we do U.S. military personnel. --- and what is your opinion of contractor/mercenaries? On Jan 12, 6:17 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, What private industry jobs is the government overtaking? Your link is a comparison of the numbers of government jobs vs private industry jobs.How about we talk about private industry overtaking govt. jobs/ functions? Since when do we allow private industry to run our prisons? We have damn near as many mercenaries in Iraq Afghanistan as we do U.S. military personnel. On Jan 12, 5:22 pm, Dave k19j...@yahoo.com wrote: I now believe more then ever that Liberals want the United States to be a Communist country. Liberals, if the United States is not headed for Communism, why are Government Jobs overtaking Private Jobs?http://seekingalpha.com/article/180879-employment-chart-goods-produci... Article IV - Section 4 The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union aRepublican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The United States is being changed from a Republic to Communism
BTW what about the boys in blue; the UN? Peace, Doc On Jan 13, 12:15 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: How about we talk about private industry overtaking govt. jobs/ functions? Since when do we allow private industry to run our prisons? We have damn near as many mercenaries in Iraq Afghanistan as we do U.S. military personnel. --- and what is your opinion of contractor/mercenaries? On Jan 12, 6:17 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, What private industry jobs is the government overtaking? Your link is a comparison of the numbers of government jobs vs private industry jobs.How about we talk about private industry overtaking govt. jobs/ functions? Since when do we allow private industry to run our prisons? We have damn near as many mercenaries in Iraq Afghanistan as we do U.S. military personnel. On Jan 12, 5:22 pm, Dave k19j...@yahoo.com wrote: I now believe more then ever that Liberals want the United States to be a Communist country. Liberals, if the United States is not headed for Communism, why are Government Jobs overtaking Private Jobs?http://seekingalpha.com/article/180879-employment-chart-goods-produci... Article IV - Section 4 The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union aRepublican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The PRIMARY purpose of the United States Constitution was/is to prevent Fascism
http://www.answers.com/Manifest+Destiny?gwp=11ver=2.4.0.651method=3 Peace, Doc On Dec 24, 10:25 am, Dave k19j...@yahoo.com wrote: Fascism is the reason the United State first fought against the British in 1776. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Obama fascism continues -- the government should decide what is news and what is true
What would you call the holy allegiance between the ADL and the Israeli Lobby? Peace, Doc On Nov 24, 7:26 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, Let me let this straight. You object to people objecting to bald-faced lies? And you don't think it should be too easy to enforce laws against libel? WTF? On Nov 24, 3:36 pm, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: Cites websites for 'absurd' reports of Obama's ties to Ayers TEL AVIV – Websites should be obliged to remove false rumors while libel laws http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=116952# should be altered to make it easier to sue for spreading such rumors, argued Cass Sunstein, Obama's regulatory czar. In his recently released book, On Rumors, Sunstein specifically cited as a primary example of absurd and hateful remarks, reports by right-wing websites alleging an association between President Obama and Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers. He also singled out radio talker Sean Hannity for attacking Obama regarding the president's alleged associations. Ayers became a name in last year's presidential campaign when it was disclosed the radical worked closely with Obama for years. Obama also was said to have launched his political careerhttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=116952#at a 1995 fundraiser in Ayers' apartment http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=116952#. -- http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The seperation between the Rich and the Poor in the United States is ALMOST complete
This class of people you speak of wouldn't be shit without the working class. to wit those people who will not be turning a shovel full of dirt on this (Muscle Shoals Dam Project) or be contributing a pound of material towards it will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work on it. Thomas Edison Peace, Doc On Nov 23, 10:39 am, frankg fran...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this, Dave, is it's penalizing those who worked hardest and achieved. Where is the incentive to achieve in a society that penalizes you for doing so? Why would I want to work harder than you and earn twice what you earn, only to have to pay twice as much for things as you do? At the end of the day we're basically equal but I worked much harder getting there than you. Soon, I'll just stop trying. The carrot that drives greatness in this country is the opportunity for success that can be achieved thru hard work, dedication and innovation. Take that carrot away and the motivation to succeed also goes and the country fails. On Nov 23, 10:06 am, Dave k19j...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, shouldn't the rich at least have to pay fees/fines/penalties relative to their income then? Currently - Pat who makes $50,000 per year parks illegally and gets a ticket for $50.00. Terry who makes $5,000,000 per year parks illegally and gets a ticket for $50.00. But what if the ticket was based on a percentage of 0.1% rather then a fixed amount? If based on 0.1% - Pat who makes $50,000 per year parks illegally and gets a ticket for $50.00. Terry who makes $5,000,000 per year parks illegally and gets a ticket for $5,000.00. Imagine the possibilities - 1. Terry would try a little harder not to park illegally. 2. Our Cities, States, and Country would receive huge increases of revenue. 3. The USA may be able to go to a flat tax for income of %10 for EVERYONE (Yes, Including the rich). -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The seperation between the Rich and the Poor in the United States is ALMOST complete
The two party system is a myth! “One of the reasons we have such difficulty perceiving our current conditions is our aversion to this single word: fascism… In any case, it is one of the most dangerous forms of political myopia in which to indulge. Italians, who invented the term fascism, also called it the estato corporativo: the corporatist state. Orwell rightly described fascism as being an extension of capitalism. It is an economy in which the government serves the interests of oligopolies, a state in which large corporations have the powers that in a democracy devolve to the citizen.” Progressive Review , URL: http://prorev.com/fascist.htm The DLC doesn't represent any Democratic Party voters. Its masters include American and United Airlines, Aetna and New York Life Insurance, Microsoft, DuPont, the agribusiness and pharmaceutical industries, Citigroup and, until recently, Enron, among many others. The DLC is an organization conceived in the boardroom and dedicated to the proposition that moneyed interests trump all others. About two hundred corporations comprise its Board of Advisors (fee: $5,000), and nearly 100 pay the cost to be the boss on the DLC's Policy Roundtable ($10,000 each). For $25,000, around 30 corporate executives pretend to be Democrats as members of the DLC Executive Council. Enron sat there, along with Philip Morris, Texaco, Chevron, and Dupont.--Bruce Dixon, The Black Commentatorend snip Peace, Doc The DLC doesn't represent any Democratic Party voters. Its masters include American and United Airlines, Aetna and New York Life Insurance, Microsoft, DuPont, the agribusiness and pharmaceutical industries, Citigroup and, until recently, Enron, among many others. The DLC is an organization conceived in the boardroom and dedicated to the proposition that moneyed interests trump all others. About two hundred corporations comprise its Board of Advisors (fee: $5,000), and nearly 100 pay the cost to be the boss on the DLC's Policy Roundtable ($10,000 each). For $25,000, around 30 corporate executives pretend to be Democrats as members of the DLC Executive Council. Enron sat there, along with Philip Morris, Texaco, Chevron, and Dupont.--Bruce Dixon, The Black Commentator New Democrats are not officially connected with the DNC. They have a very small grass roots presence, fewer than 10K after almost two decades in existence, which explains their disconnect with rank and file Democrats, a disconnect deliberately undertaken after Walter Mondale’s crushing defeat in 1984. Rejecting Old Guard liberal fundamentalists, such as feminists, organized labor, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, the DLC was originally founded to stem the defection of Southern Democrats from the party in the early 80’s. Al From, a Capitol Hill veteran former Carter aide, is the founder and CEO of the Democratic Leadership Council. The Council is essentially a business-funded think tank dedicated to “rescuing” the Democratic party from the excesses of the 60’s. They produce copious white papers and policy proposals in their misidentified Progressive Policy Institute. Mr. From has served for years on the board of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation, and is Chairman of the Board of the Corporation for Charter Schools. He vigorously rejects the idea that the DLC shapes its views to cultivate its donors: 'Anybody who's familiar with the DLC knows that we do what we think is right.' * Bouncing around on social issues for the last eighteen years, depending on which elusive group of swing voters they have tried to capture–white working class, followed by “new economy” hyperbole, “soccer moms,” “office park dads,” “vital center” fence-sitters– the DLC has been consistent in promoting their core policies on welfare reform, smaller government, strong defense, tough on crime, fiscal discipline, free markets free trade. Meanwhile their annual budget has mushroomed from $400K to over $7M per year as the New Democrat Network, the fundraising arm founded by corporate lawyer Simon Rosenberg in 1996, has aggressively vetted and connected right thinking candidates with bi-partisan sources of campaign financing. The DLC’s greatest success was getting Bill Clinton on the ticket in 1992, but their legacy is one of runaway corporate interests which have benefited spectacularly from lack of opposition to their agenda on either side of the aisle. And therein lies the challenge for grass roots Democratic Party activists. The DLC and the interests they represent would like us to just go away...and some of us already have...to the Green Party and to various single issue advocacy groups. * Sources: Bruce Dixon, “Muzzling the African American Agenda with Black Help,” The Black Commentator, June, 2003. Robert Dreyfuss, “How the DLC Does It,” The American Prospect, April 23, 2001. John Nichols, “Behind the DLC Takeover,” The Progressive, September 2000. “One of the reasons we have such difficulty perceiving our current
Re: late stage disaster statism
yea, poor liberals make th elaws and deregulate,,,BS! What the hell is governance? Peace, Doc On Nov 15, 9:17 pm, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: [image: ps] http://www.peterschweizer.com/index.html check out Peter's newest release! Was the financial collapse caused by free-market capitalism and deregulation run amok, as liberals claim? Not on your life, says Peter Schweizer. What we are really witnessing is a massive failure of social engineering by liberals. [image: Architects of Ruin by Peter Schweizer]http://www.amazon.com/Architects-Ruin-government-liberals-economy/dp/... *Architects of Ruin*, bestselling author Peter Schweizer describes in riveting detail how a coalition of left-wing activists, liberal politicians, and do-good capitalists on Wall Street leveraged government power to achieve their goal of broadening homeownership among minorities and the poor. The results were not only devastating to the economy, but hurt the very people they were supposedly trying to help. The story begins in the 1960s with Saul Alinsky, the legendary Chicago rabble-rouser who trained his acolytes in highly aggressive techniques of community activism. Alinsky's disciples—along with race-baiting activists like Jesse Jackson—seized on the redlining controversy of those years to argue that banks were guilty of racial discrimination. In the 1970s, with the help of liberal senators li*Architects of Ruin*, bestselling author Peter Schweizer describes in riveting detail how a coalition of left-wing activists, liberal politicians, and do-good capitalists on Wall Street leveraged government power to achieve their goal of broadening homeownership among minorities and the poor. The results were not only devastating to the economy, but hurt the very people they were supposedly trying to help. The story begins in the 1960s with Saul Alinsky, the legendary Chicago rabble-rouser who trained his acolytes in highly aggressive techniques of community activism. Alinsky's disciples—along with race-baiting activists like Jesse Jackson—seized on the redlining controversy of those years to argue that banks were guilty of racial discrimination. In the 1970s, with the help of liberal senators like Ted Kennedy and William Proxmire, legislation was passed that put bankers under the thumb of local activists. In the Clinton years, a new generation of liberal technocrats came to power in Washington and on Wall Street. Schweizer describes how a powerful phalanx of elite liberals, including Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin, Andrew Cuomo, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Janet Reno, Deval Patrick, Henry Cisneros, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, and many others, aggressively pushed banks to make trillions of dollars in loans to individuals who should never have received them. Meanwhile, Clinton forged a new form of state capitalism in which the big Wall Street financial companies were repeatedly bailed out—with their profits intact—from a series of costly errors, leading them to take ever larger risks. Both financial policies had profoundly distorting effects. The result was the bursting of twin bubbles in mortgages and mortgage-backed derivatives, in turn leading to a global economic collapse. This tale of liberal Robin Hood capitalism run wild has never been told. But more than just a story about the past, it is also an urgent warning about the future. For today, the very same people who planted the seeds of the collapse are back in Washington, tasked with cleaning up the mess and determined to use the crisis they caused as cover for a massive overhaul of the American economic system. These people have learned nothing from their past mistakes and are busy applying the same methods to other sectors of the economy—health care, the auto industry, real estate (again!), and above all the promotion of green technologies—inflating bubbles that are sure to bring about another crisis. Ordinary Americans who foot the bill for the last state-capit alist bubble have reason to be afraid—very afraid—of the inevitable result.ke Ted Kennedy and William Proxmire, legislation was passed that put bankers under the thumb of local activists. In the Clinton years, a new generation of liberal technocrats came to power in Washington and on Wall Street. Schweizer describes how a powerful phalanx of elite liberals, including Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin, Andrew Cuomo, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Janet Reno, Deval Patrick, Henry Cisneros, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, and many others, aggressively pushed banks to make trillions of dollars in loans to individuals who should never have received them. Meanwhile, Clinton forged a new form of state capitalism in which the big Wall Street financial companies were repeatedly bailed out—with their profits intact—from a series of costly errors, leading them to take ever larger risks. Both
Re: late stage disaster statism
Well I agree whole hardily but I certainly didn't see much whistle blowing from the New Democrats and or the DLC. I think it's time to install a new party.The dems are still holding on to special liberal interest but have falsified the efforts to protect the working class and have in that respect fascist catering to the collective corporations who guarantee their incumbency like free trade and loose regulatory conditions. In short both parties have pretty much sold us out fiscally. And as it will turn out special interest will fall well below the radar when we are all standing in the bread lines. Peace, Doc On Nov 15, 11:00 pm, Hollywood jims29...@gmail.com wrote: Doc, Notice how the SL scandal and bail-out of the early 80's, which the Republicans and a Bush brother was neck deep in, was completely ignored? Gee, one would think we had no Republican Presidents, no Congressional Republican majorites over the past 45 years or so. Who would have thought the problem was sooo clear, and yet all those Republicans did nothing about it. Either that or they did know all about it and were part of it. OR, they knew about it all along but were incapable of doing anything about it. Gee, that would make them stupid, incompetent, AND impotent, wouldn't it? On Nov 15, 9:27 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: yea, poor liberals make th elaws and deregulate,,,BS! What the hell is governance? Peace, Doc On Nov 15, 9:17 pm, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: [image: ps] http://www.peterschweizer.com/index.html check out Peter's newest release! Was the financial collapse caused by free-market capitalism and deregulation run amok, as liberals claim? Not on your life, says Peter Schweizer. What we are really witnessing is a massive failure of social engineering by liberals. [image: Architects of Ruin by Peter Schweizer]http://www.amazon.com/Architects-Ruin-government-liberals-economy/dp/... *Architects of Ruin*, bestselling author Peter Schweizer describes in riveting detail how a coalition of left-wing activists, liberal politicians, and do-good capitalists on Wall Street leveraged government power to achieve their goal of broadening homeownership among minorities and the poor. The results were not only devastating to the economy, but hurt the very people they were supposedly trying to help. The story begins in the 1960s with Saul Alinsky, the legendary Chicago rabble-rouser who trained his acolytes in highly aggressive techniques of community activism. Alinsky's disciples—along with race-baiting activists like Jesse Jackson—seized on the redlining controversy of those years to argue that banks were guilty of racial discrimination. In the 1970s, with the help of liberal senators li*Architects of Ruin*, bestselling author Peter Schweizer describes in riveting detail how a coalition of left-wing activists, liberal politicians, and do-good capitalists on Wall Street leveraged government power to achieve their goal of broadening homeownership among minorities and the poor. The results were not only devastating to the economy, but hurt the very people they were supposedly trying to help. The story begins in the 1960s with Saul Alinsky, the legendary Chicago rabble-rouser who trained his acolytes in highly aggressive techniques of community activism. Alinsky's disciples—along with race-baiting activists like Jesse Jackson—seized on the redlining controversy of those years to argue that banks were guilty of racial discrimination. In the 1970s, with the help of liberal senators like Ted Kennedy and William Proxmire, legislation was passed that put bankers under the thumb of local activists. In the Clinton years, a new generation of liberal technocrats came to power in Washington and on Wall Street. Schweizer describes how a powerful phalanx of elite liberals, including Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin, Andrew Cuomo, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Janet Reno, Deval Patrick, Henry Cisneros, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, and many others, aggressively pushed banks to make trillions of dollars in loans to individuals who should never have received them. Meanwhile, Clinton forged a new form of state capitalism in which the big Wall Street financial companies were repeatedly bailed out—with their profits intact—from a series of costly errors, leading them to take ever larger risks. Both financial policies had profoundly distorting effects. The result was the bursting of twin bubbles in mortgages and mortgage-backed derivatives, in turn leading to a global economic collapse. This tale of liberal Robin Hood capitalism run wild has never been told. But more than just a story about the past, it is also an urgent warning about the future. For today, the very same people who
Re: FW: [CCCC-USA] Vomit Bag, please....
Take the superstition and hocus pocus out of it and it makes all the sense in the world. Here's your sign THE Jefferson Bible http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/ Peace, Doc Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called The Jefferson Bible, he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative. This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson. Visitors should find the revised KJV text much easier to read and understand. Those seeking the precise English version Mr. Jefferson used when making his compilation can click on Unrevised KJV text. On Nov 15, 12:16 pm, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:10:53 -0800 From: Subject: Fw: [-USA] Vomit Bag, please To: - Forwarded Message From: To: Cc: Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 10:46:53 PM Subject: [-USA] Vomit Bag, please Soetero bowed to the Emperor of Japan. Bowed to the son of the man who attacked Pearl Harbor, and who killed thousands of our children in the Pacific. You might need to know that this latest Emperor 1) BOWS TO NO-ONE; 2) Was alive when his dad was killing our people. So, I added it to our site. I doubt if it will get much attention, but I will NOT let this get by without mention. I still have my ration book from WWII. I remember the fleet coming into Long Beach, all beat up, and having dinner at the captain's mess on my Uncle's cruiser. Then he went off to Iwo Jima, Okinawa...and bombarded these people in hopes of saving a few American lives. http://northcaucus. com And Soetero BOWS to this creep. I would hope the Founding Fathers are watching. Stewardess of this flight, please give me a vomit bag. I am going to throw up. Cornet Joyce II North Caucus of America To join the Private Mailing List, contact Cornet Joyce II For more information about NCA click = If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the Educating Heart Summit in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Start a New Topic What is The Answer To The Greatest Question?http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/097871461X?ie=UTF8seller=A1AVPSERX4... Click here to find out about Answer To The Greatest Question:http://reasonmustprevail.org/ orhttp://1smartest.net/ Visit the ultimate resource for defending liberty CLICK HERE:http://targetfreedom.typepad.com:80/ 1. Links to liberty defending organizations 2. Links to liberty defending web pages 3. Links to A MASSIVE assortment of liberty defending videos 4. A stream lined system for contacting legislators with suggested letters 5. Links to liberty defending egroups 6. Links to magazines, literature and other materials Are you looking for a book about defending liberty? Many rare and out of print books are still available. Look here:http://www.amazon.com/shops/jperna12 Then look here:http://astore.amazon.com/targetfreedom-20 Then look here:http://www.shopjbs.org/magento/ MARKETPLACE Parenting Zone: Find useful resources for a happy, healthy family and home Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Right wing Fascist + Left Wing Socialist = Communism in this So-Called two party system. Better get a new third party interested in a Democratic Republic. Our two party system is a myth! Peace, Doc On Nov 7, 7:10 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I am in Washington this week, and just left the Capitol, after sitting in the House Chamber's Gallery tonight, and listening to the debate over the proposed Health Care bill; *e.g*.; H.R. 3962. A couple of observations: First, I am still overwhelmed at the power, dynamics and History of Washington D.C., and the Capitol in and of itself. Just walking down Pennsylvania Avenue, and Constitution Avenue today brought goose bumps, and it is hard not to be impressed with each and every building, its architecture, and significance. Second, I was at the protests today at the Capitol, and there is no question in my mind, that any Congressman/Congresswoman who votes for this misguided piece of legislation will not return in 2010. Those who dis-believe this, are literally out of touch with the mood of this Nation and its people. This current legislation, which is in excess of 2000 pages and has not been read by a majority of the members of the House who are going to vote on it tonight is misplaced and misguided. Most Americans believe that there needs to be some changes in insurance, tort reform, and maybe even Health Care, but that is not what HR 3962 is about. It is a power grab, and an expansion of government. Despite what President Obama stated this morning, is is a socialistic/Marxist expansion, and a fundamental power grab by the Obama Administration and the Democrat Party. But I digress. Third: while in the Gallery, I got to watch Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, some Socialist from New Jersey, and a hand full of other Socialists, as well as conservatives. I learned today, that the Socialists do not feel compelled to tell the truth while speaking in the House Chamber, and on the Congressional Record. Finally; I need alcoholic beverages, after walking my ass all over Downtown Washington.As a typical Florida Cracker, I am not used to this! We have cars, and parking lots where I come from!!! FromTheCellPhone...Capitol.11.7.09.jpg 109KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FW: What' the real reason for obama's declaration of national pandemic emergency?
In case of national emergencies RE: George W Obama / Bush yadayadayada I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well. George W. Bush EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995allows the government to seize and control the communication media.EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. Peace, Doc On Oct 26, 2:52 pm, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.com wrote: Makes one wonder --just what's going on??! NaturalNews) President Obama's declaration of a national pandemic emergency is no cause for alarm, reported the mainstream media throughout the weekend. The declaration is nothing more than a precaution, they say. It's really more a continuation of our preparedness steps, said Anne Schuchat, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in a USA Today story. In other words, there's not really any emergency at all. So why declare a national emergency in the first place? The media reports this was done to allow hospitals to bypass federal regulations concerning the setting up of large-scale triage sites -- emergency medical camps quickly constructed to deal with large numbers of sick people. But at the same time, H1N1 isn't causing large-scale sickness. As USA Today reported, an expert on infectious disease, P.J. Brennan (the chief medical officer for the Penn Health System at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia) said, The public ought to take some solace, some relief in this. It's not a suggestion that things have deteriorated in any way. In no way is the virus more severe or more difficult to manage. So let me get this straight. The H1N1 virus remains mild. The CDC reports that swine flu infections already peaked out in mid-October. There have been no new developments in swine flu that would be cause for alarm and no reason to suspect huge numbers of sick people flooding into the hospitals. And yet, for some reason, the Obama administration has declared a national pandemic emergency specifically for the purpose of speeding the ability of hospitals to process large masses of sick people through emergency medical triage tents? What are these people not telling us? Something doesn't add up here. Why would the U.S. Government need to declare a national emergency to enable hospitals to handle a flood of sick people when there is no flood of sick people (and the pandemic seems to be fizzling out)? This is more like the kind of preparation you might expect in advance of a biological terrorism attack, not for a flu that appears no more dangerous than the seasonal sniffles. The National Emergencies Act and FEMAMeanwhile, the media ignores the rest of the story about what dangerous powers a declaration of a national emergency puts into play.
Hate Crime Laws / Absurd as calling anorexia a cure for obesity
TIME FOR THE GOP TO MAN-UP by Marc H. Rudov October 30, 2009 NewsWithViews.com Hollow and Nonexistent Did you ever imagine that men — who created, fought and died for, and built America — would one day comprise a special-interest group (SIG)? Stop imagining. That day is today. Judging by how they view themselves, and, consequently, how women view them, men are neither special nor of much interest to America. Accordingly, this so-called “group” is, in reality, hollow and nonexistent and, therefore, trivial. Typically, SIGs organize, raise money, and fight to coerce spineless politicians to subvert the US Constitution to create unilateral rights and privileges. Result? Unconstitutional laws such as the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) and the newly enacted Hate Crimes Prevention Act — which, some argue, could have allowed the feds to nullify North Carolina’s decision to forgive three innocent men in the Duke Lacrosse Case. Obama’s Macho Window Dressing Women keep playing oppressed victims when, clearly, they aren’t: Maria Shriver declared America a Woman’s Nation. Yet, they endlessly seek unilateral legal dominance when the Constitution, as written and amended, gives them everything they need. Why? Simple: because they can. They know that, whenever women cry foul, men buckle. In the past week, feminists accused Barack Obama of running a boys’ club within the White House — because he frequently shoots hoops and plays golf only with male colleagues and friends. Big freaking deal. His “boys’ club,” a mere retreat from self-imposed subordination to women, is macho window dressing. Nothing demonstrates Obama’s real agenda like his female-centric rhetoric and behavior. For example, Obama told NBC News that “men are obtuse about women … and need to be knocked across the head.” As I indicated in “Obama’s Misandry Cineplex,” the president is operating anything but a boys’ club: In 2008 and 2009, Obama castigated men on Fathers’ Day for leaving their pregnant unmarried girlfriends. Did he make a similar speech on Mothers’ Day to vilify unmarried pregnant women? He did not. Roe v. Wade, which Obama supports, says: it’s her body, her baby, her choice. Yet, Obama blames men for women’s choices. Unconstitutional women-only section at Whitehouse.gov. White House advisor on violence against women, corresponding to the unconstitutional Violence Against Women Act. Fatherhood.gov to teach men parenting, while Motherhood.gov is nonexistent (by giving birth, women are fully equipped to be great mothers, right?). Republicans Have No Brand If men want to end government-sponsored misandry, where do they turn? The Democrats? Forget it. Democrats believe in central government, entitlements, and redistribution of wealth. They view the Constitution as a document of suggestions, recommendations, and hidden rights and entitlements for special groups. How about the Republican Party? Republicans portray themselves as upholders of the law, believers in states’ rights and small government, the people’s party, and advocates of equal protection under the law. Really? If that’s the case, why are men exempt from equal protection? Are they hollow, nonexistent, and trivial? Why doesn’t Michael Steele, chairman of the RNC, stand up for men and fathers? Why indeed. Instead, every time a new misandrist law comes along, like the Hate- Crimes Act mentioned above, Republicans vote for it. Never an argument, filibuster, or fight. Never an appearance on Fox News to rail against it. Equal protection, my ass. Since 1874, the elephant has symbolized the Republican Party. Its origins were, coincidentally, based in fear and weakness. I see no difference today. A better symbol would be the hippopotamus, because Republicans are hypocrites. Republicans have no brand, no discernible purpose — other than to oppose Democrats — and, therefore, no unique drawing power. A brand is perception, not proclamation. Here’s how the GOP can brand itself as unique and appealing: man-up. Attract men. Fight political correctness to restore equal rights to men. Give men a reason to join, a place to turn. The NoNonsense Bottom Line There are too many men who obsequiously believe that women deserve “special” rights and privileges — violating the Constitution — because they didn’t have suffrage until 1920 (89 years ago). That’s as absurd as calling anorexia a cure for obesity. One can’t fix an injustice by creating another injustice. In “Rebranding Manhood,” I wrote that masculinity is not deference to women — it’s standing up to them. Either we as a nation believe in equality or we don’t. If we do, let’s enforce it. If we don’t, let’s rip up the Constitution and devolve into gynocratic fascism. It’s time for the GOP to man-up. Does this connote patriarchy? Not at all. It means not tolerating matriarchy. It means equality, as the Fourteenth Amendment dictates. A country of male doormats is no country. The GOP, like any group, reflects the wishes and
Re: FW: What' the real reason for obama's declaration of national pandemic emergency?
Both of you have swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker. From Washington's Farewell Address 1796 snip I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally. This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy. The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume. end snip Peace, Doc On Oct 26, 8:35 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Zeb, No risk whatsoever. It's a dead-on, 100% certainty he will be attacked by conservatives such as yourself no matter what he does, or does not do. Politics in this country is all about perceptions and not realities. On Oct 26, 8:37 pm, Zebnick zebn...@gmail.com wrote: Great! The President declares a national emergency and he's playing. God knows the risk of Obama being criticized is more important than being honest about a plague. On Oct 26, 7:25 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: Daniel, The President is just playing CYA. Better he be criticized for being too cautious and concerned than NOT being concerned enough about public health issues. He knows full well that no matter what he does, or does not do, certain people are going to be critical. That simple. On Oct 26, 3:52 pm, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.com wrote: Makes one wonder --just what's going on??! NaturalNews) President Obama's declaration of a national pandemic emergency is no cause for alarm, reported the mainstream media throughout the weekend. The declaration is nothing more than a precaution, they say. It's really more a continuation of our preparedness steps, said Anne Schuchat, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in a USA Today story. In other words, there's not really any emergency at all. So why declare a national emergency in the first place? The media reports this was done to allow hospitals to bypass federal regulations concerning the setting up of large-scale triage sites -- emergency medical camps quickly constructed to deal with large numbers of sick people. But at the same time, H1N1 isn't causing large-scale sickness. As USA Today reported, an expert on infectious disease, P.J. Brennan (the chief
Re: Ask the administration and Congress if they care
to wit People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam) nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. Thomas Edison On Oct 25, 8:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Small Business Faces Sharp Rise in Costs of Health Care Kalim A. Bhatti for The New York Times Rates for Walter Rowen's company, Susquehanna Glass in Columbia, Pa., were to rise 160 percent. * Sign in to Recommend * Twitter * E-Mail javascript:document.emailThis.submit(); * Send To Phone javascript:void(0); * Print http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... * Reprints http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... * Share http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm...Close http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Linkedin http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Digg http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Facebook http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Mixx http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o MySpace http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Yahoo! Buzz http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Permalink http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... o Article Tools Sponsored By http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=gotoopznpage=www... By REED ABELSON http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/reed_abe... Published: October 24, 2009 As Congress nears votes on legislation that would overhaul the health care system, many small businesses say they are facing the steepest rise in insurance premiums they have seen in recent years. Skip to next paragraph http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/business/smallbusiness/25health.htm... Prescriptions Blog http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/ A blog from The New York Times http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/ that tracks the health care debate as it unfolds. * More Health Care Overhaul News http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealth... conversations http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/29/health/health-care-conv... Health Care Conversations http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/29/health/health-care-conv... Share your thoughts about the health care debate. Top Discussions: The Public Option http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/29/health/health-care-conv... | Medicare and the Elderly http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/29/health/health-care-conv... | A Single-Payer System http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/29/health/health-care-conv... Related You're the Boss: Obama Talks Up Small Business, Again http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/24/obama-talks-up-small-busines... Times Topics: Health Care Reform http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealth... Insurance brokers and benefits consultants say their small business clients are seeing premiums go up an average of about 15 percent for the coming year --- double the rate of last year's increases. That would mean an annual premium that was $4,500 per employee in 2008 and $4,800 this year would rise to $5,500 in 2010. The higher premiums at least partly reflect the inexorable rise of medical costs, which is forcing Medicare http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealth... to raise premiums, too. Health insurance http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealth... bills are also rising for big employers, but because they have more negotiating clout, their increases are generally not as steep. Higher medical costs aside, some experts say they think the insurance industry, under pressure from Wall Street, is raising premiums to get ahead of any legislative changes that might reduce their profits. The increases come at a politically fraught time for the insurers, as they try to fight off the creation of a government-run competitor and as they push their case that they have a central role to play in controlling the nation's health care costs. President Obama http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_o..., in his Saturday radio address, said the Democrats' health insurance overhaul would help small businesses and stimulate the economy by providing relief from the crushing costs of
Re: True religion
Peace picks no sides; PERIOD! The destroyers of the old are the creators of the new. As time sweeps on the old passes away and the new in its turn becomes old. There is in the intellectual world, as in the physical, decay and growth, and ever by the grave of buried age stand youth and joy. The history of intellectual progress is written in the lives of infidels, political rights have been preserved by traitors, the liberty of mind by heretics. To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy. For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they attacked the rights of man. They defended each other. The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg. James I. said: No bishop, no king. He might have added: No cross, no crown. The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls. One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear -- both robbers, both beggars. These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God, both were the agents of the Infinite. With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other. If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain. The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both. The king said to the people. God made you peasants, and He made me king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to command. Such is the justice of God. And the priest said; God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God. You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict -- contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears to hear let him hear. Heaven was a question of ears. Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their fellow-men. It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness? A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others. A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast multitudes would be barbarians now. A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's night, an inspiration and a prophecy. Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but not greatness. The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness is from within. The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul; they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the lives of many millions with love and song. They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life with the triumphs of genius. They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear, who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their thrones. They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the kings of the useful who have civilized this world. At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire, whose memory we are honoring tonight.end Peace, Doc On Jun 20, 12:05 pm, mouslim girl basmatarek2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your interest and your response on the issue But it must be pointed out that Iran did not represent true Islam Since they belong to the Shiites and the teams outside of Islam It calls for violence, in contrast to the true Islam Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Tortured Civilizations: Islam and the West / a genuine clash of civilizations has emerged. Could it have been avoided?
to wit from: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/review_harrison.htm Mr. Gatto argues that these emerging corporate titans knew they needed three things in order for their interests to thrive: 1) compliant employees; 2) a guaranteed and dependent population; and 3) a predictable business environment encompassed by a rigid, caste-like social hierarchy of haves and have-nots. It is toward these ends - and not education - that modern compulsory schooling was unleashed. Mr. Gatto states that America at the time of the birth of modern schooling, however, was a place antithetical to the stated goals of big business. Business was largely conducted by individuals, on a small-scale, within the context of thriving villages or neighborhoods. Proprietors, employees, and customers shared their lives and fates, at least to some extent, with one another. There was no room for (nor inclination towards) the kind of manipulation and control imbedded in the intentions of big business outlined above. The author places a strong emphasis in this equation on the individual, on the entrepreneur in control of himself and his livelihood. This is an important part of Mr. Gatto’s argument for why and how compulsory schooling was inflicted upon our society. By way of example, Mr. Gatto details the lives of archetypal Americans like Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Edison, who were independent, free-thinking leaders, none of whom spent more than two years in any kind of school, and yet all were leading productive, fulfilled lives by the time they were in their teens. Mr. Gatto argues that big business knew that the development of these kinds of individuals needed to be hindered. They were too unpredictable and insufficiently pliable. What better way to accomplish this shadowy goal than by removing children from the steadying influences of their families, and placing them instead in the hands of schools, where they could be easily molded into the kinds of people upon whom big business depended. Just in case parents were unwilling to comply, the powers that be committed school attendance into law. end Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Big Oil and World Banks Manipulating Markets Bankrupting Farmers
More market manipulation by big oil Rothschild, Inc., helping Valero take over ethanol, farms By Anne Wilder Chamberlain On Coast to Coast AM March 2, 2009, alternative energy advocate David Blume shared updates on alcohol fuel and related topics. Big oil companies are starting to take control of independent fuel markets, he warned, citing the case of Texas-based oil refiner Valero Energy Corp., which is buying the corn ethanol plants of bankrupt ethanol producer VeraSun Energy Corp. Such bankruptcies are related to the manipulation of futures contracts, he explained, noting that in previous bankruptcy courts futures contracts were the first to be honored, but not this time and, as a result, Valero is not only purchasing the ethanol plant at pennies on the dollar, but the farms as well. On February 26, 2009, the International Institute for Ecological Agriculture (IIEA), a promoter of permaculture and alternative fuels directed by Blume, launched a campaign opposing Valero’s bid to acquire the assets of VeraSun. Blume said Valero’s offer demonstrates the end-game strategy for last year’s aggressive food-versus-fuel propaganda and price war manipulation campaign implemented by the International Oil cartel. The campaign is systematically engineering the collapse of America’s fledgling independent renewable fuel and energy producers market, he said. It is likely that 40 percent of the nearly 200 ethanol plants operating in the U.S. will now be victims of Big Oil’s slash, burn and buy strategy to collapse, consume and control the ethanol industry. Valero, based out of San Antonio, TX, opened its first oil refinery in Corpus Christi, TX, in 1984. The company has since merged with PGE natural gas and owns Exxon-Mobil, having acquired Mobil in 1998 and Exxon in 2000. On Dec. 31, 2001, Valero completed its largest transaction to date when it merged with San Antonio-based Ultramar Diamond Shamrock Corporation. With this acquisition Valero became one of the nation’s top three refining and marketing companies. A milestone year of growth, 2005 is the year that Valero became the largest North American refiner and decided to go global. On September 1, 2005, Valero acquired Premcor, Inc., in an $8 billion transaction. After adding Premcor’s four refineries in Port Arthur, Texas; Memphis, Tennessee; Delaware City, Delaware and; Lima, Ohio, Valero has 18 refineries and a total throughput capacity of approximately 3.3 million barrels per day (BPD). The company has total assets of $33 billion and annual revenues of nearly $75 billion, which would rank the company No. 15 on the current listing of the Fortune 500. In addition, on July 1, 2005, Valero successfully acquired Kaneb Pipe Line Partners, L.P., in a nearly $2.7 billion transaction. By the end of 2005, Valero was one of the largest terminal and petroleum liquids pipeline operators in the United States. As of Dec. 31, 2005, the partnership had 9,186 miles of pipelines, 89 terminals and bulk storage facilities strategically located in major U.S. markets and in the Netherlands Antilles, Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. With the federal court ruling in the VeraSun bankruptcy, a legal precedent has been set that now allows buyers of bankrupt plants to renege on futures contract commitments for corn purchases, Blume said. For the first time ever for any company, there may be an escape from paying for the futures contracts. The problem with this is that farmers have of course already borrowed money—based on futures pricing— to pay for higher fertilizer/chemical costs in producing the supposedly higher-priced corn. Unlike the plant owners, they won’t get to avoid their debts and there is a real chance that Big Oil will not only buy up the alcohol plants, but also reject the futures contracts, bankrupt the farmers and then be able to buy their land. The IIEA is calling on citizens to contact Congressional representatives, the Department of Justice-Antitrust Division and the Federal Trade Commission-Bureau of Competition to express concerns regarding the Valero acquisition of VeraSun. According to Reuters Valero successfully acquired seven facilities in five states in bankruptcy court on March 17, 2009, for $477 million, outbidding agribusiness giant Archer Daniels Midland. Rothschild, Inc., is serving as a financial advisor for VeraSun in its transaction with Valero. The sale is expected to close in April. Blume said that, according to Bloomburg News, Citibank and Morgan Stanley are spending their bailout bucks purchasing oil at $30 a barrel, storing it in rented tankers, and waiting until the price of oil goes back up to $150 a barrel, which Blume expects to happen rather soon. He noted that, although the cost of oil per barrel has stayed constant the last couple months, since December 17 the cost of gasoline at the pumps has increased by 50 percent. If oil companies gain control of even a quarter of the ethanol production
Remember FDR and the New Deal? Well Global plan for recovery and reform (02/04/2009) via the Federal Reserves Currency ramming the old New Deal down our throats.
Preface with three quotes. Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild From now on, depressions will be scientifically created. -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913 President Jackson’s Bank Veto, 1832 It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes. Distinctions in society will always exist under every just government. Equality of talents, of education, or of wealth can not be produced by human institutions. In the full enjoyment of the gifts of heaven and the fruits of superior industry, economy, and virtue, every man is equally entitled to protection by law; but when the laws undertake to add to these natural and just advantages artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society—the farmers, mechanics and laborers—who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their government. There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the act before me there seems to be a wide and unnecessary departure from these just principles. From: http://www.londonsummit.gov.uk/resources/en/news/15766232/communique-... Global plan for recovery and reform (02/04/2009) family photo at G20; Crown copyright The official communique issued at the close of the G20 London Summit. Read the statement 1. We, the Leaders of the Group of Twenty, met in London on 2 April 2009. 2. We face the greatest challenge to the world economy in modern times; a crisis which has deepened since we last met, which affects the lives of women, men, and children in every country, and which all countries must join together to resolve. A global crisis requires a global solution. 3. We start from the belief that prosperity is indivisible; that growth, to be sustained, has to be shared; and that our global plan for recovery must have at its heart the needs and jobs of hard-working families, not just in developed countries but in emerging markets and the poorest countries of the world too; and must reflect the interests, not just of today’s population, but of future generations too. We believe that the only sure foundation for sustainable globalisation and rising prosperity for all is an open world economy based on market principles, effective regulation, and strong global institutions. 4. We have today therefore pledged to do whatever is necessary to: * restore confidence, growth, and jobs; * repair the financial system to restore lending; * strengthen financial regulation to rebuild trust; * fund and reform our international financial institutions to overcome this crisis and prevent future ones; * promote global trade and investment and reject protectionism, to underpin prosperity; and * build an inclusive, green, and sustainable recovery. By acting together to fulfil these pledges we will bring the world economy out of recession and prevent a crisis like this from recurring in the future. 5. The agreements we have reached today, to treble resources available to the IMF to $750 billion, to support a new SDR allocation of $250 billion, to support at least $100 billion of additional lending by the MDBs, to ensure $250 billion of support for trade finance, and to use the additional resources from agreed IMF gold sales for concessional finance for the poorest countries, constitute an additional $1.1 trillion programme of support to restore credit, growth and jobs in the world economy. Together with the measures we have each taken nationally, this constitutes a global plan for recovery on an unprecedented scale. Restoring growth and jobs 6. We are undertaking an unprecedented and concerted fiscal expansion, which will save or create millions of jobs which would otherwise have been destroyed, and that will, by the end of next year, amount to $5 trillion, raise output by 4 per cent, and accelerate the transition to a green economy. We are committed to deliver the scale of sustained fiscal effort necessary to restore growth. 7. Our central banks have also taken exceptional action. Interest rates have been cut aggressively in most countries, and our central banks have pledged to maintain expansionary policies for as long as needed and to use the full range of monetary policy instruments, including unconventional instruments, consistent with price stability. 8. Our actions to restore growth cannot be effective until we restore domestic lending and international capital flows. We have provided significant and comprehensive support to our banking systems to provide liquidity, recapitalise
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Edward Bernays would laugh his ass of on that note...goes way beyond money from: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/PsychVid.html Shredded In a culture obsessed with the distorted images of youth and beauty conveyed by the mass media, this documentary explores the damaging lengths to which teenage boys will go to achieve the ideal male body. A film by Douglas Taplin and Richard Gaudio. c2005. 21 min. DVD 4720 Description from Fanlight catalog Fat Despite appeals of the multi-billion dollar diet and exercise industries, the United States is getting fatter. The media bombards us with images of thin models exuding the message that to be thin is to be beautiful. But for many, being thin is a difficult, if not impossible, achievement. This documentary examines how the diet industry is contributing to our frustration over unwanted pounds and asks if it is possible for one to be healthy, fit, beautiful - and fat. 1999. 54 min. Video/C MM43 The Human Body: Appearance, Shape and Self-image Contents: Tattoo: the living canvas -- Cosmetic surgery: the body as medical sculpture -- Branding piercing the human animal -- Tyranny of perfection: models for the rest of us? -- Weightism: the last acceptable prejudice? -- Weightism: Consequences -- Beauty: cultural differences -- Contesting the beauty contest -- Body image eating disorders: Onset -- Body image eating disorders: Crisis -- Body image eating disorders: the road back -- Aging: the body changes. This video examines 12 different facets of the human body that impact our preferences and prejudices, which can lead us to attempt dramatic--but not always wise-- alterations of what we look like. Some of the subjects explored include bulimia, anorexia, tattooing, branding, plastic surgery, scarification, body prejudices and weightism, the impact of supermodels and beauty pageants, the effects of aging, and cultural differences in ideas about who is beautiful. Created and produced by Dane Archer. c1998. 38 min. DVD 8359; vhs Video/C 5845 Slim Hopes: Advertising and the Obsession with Thinness. Illustrated lecture which explores the manner in which women are portrayed by advertising with the focus on thinness. Discusses the impact this portrayal has on the self images of women and girls and offers a new way to think about eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia. Contents: Impossible beauty -- The waif look -- Constructed bodies -- Food sex -- Food control -- The weight loss industry -- Freeing imaginations. Written presented by Jean Kilbourne. c1995. 30 min. DVD X632; vhs Video/C 4494 Description from Media Education Foundation filmcatalog Peace, Doc On May 6, 10:41 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: rigs, You think way too much. Beauty pagents are like most of everything else. Just an imaginative way for people to make a buck. No deeper than that. On May 6, 10:31 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: My first adult book was Forever Amber- probably on the Index. I will never finish Tropic of Cancer. Why should I subject myself to such a violent view of women. Actually, beauty contests are a form of a hate crime to punish plain women. Plain women are bent on a vengeance towards beautiful women. And there are more plain women than beautiful women. Do the math. On May 5, 7:16 pm,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Don't we already react to propaganda and or media with all sorts of wailing wall embellishments? To hell with hate crimes. A crime is a crime is a crime; PERIOD! Hey and if one would get the death sentence for his crimes for murder what would he / she get if a hate crime were tacked on; the electric chair and then the gas chamber or both twice? The constitution already makes no exceptions and or privileges for race, color, creed, religion etc. You have placed these special ones above the lowly masses which is unconstitutional. Fuck thought control! Peace, Doc On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by
Re: Messaging could get you 2 years in the pen
Who vote this stupid prick in? Opps will I get 2 years for telling the truth? Peace, Doc On May 8, 9:57 am, Philobealo wayneb...@yahoo.com wrote: Rep. Linda Sanchez, Democrat of California, has proposed a bill that would make it a federal felony to use blogs, text messages, and Internet messaging (electronic means to harass someone and cause them emotional distress. Eugene Volokh pulls these snippets out of H.R. 1966: Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both [Communication] means the electronic transmission, between or among points specified by the user, of information of the user's choosing, without change in the form or content of the information as sent and received; ... [Electronic means] means any equipment dependent on electrical power to access an information service, including email, instant messaging, blogs, websites, telephones, and text messages. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/05/08/blogging-could-cau... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re-branding an already branded dead cow
damn? http://www.answers.com/liberal?gwp=11ver=2.4.0.651method=3 Peace, Doc On May 6, 2:42 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Funny you should mention that. It is the libs who have that journolist phone call telling them what to think and what the talking points need to be. Then when you read the media they all sound the same. It is the republicans who are the free thinkers, not the libs. The reporter strays too far from the lib talking point and the next day you get the mea culpa from them about how mistaken they were. studio wrote: Sarah Palin wants to rebuild the party in Reagan's name. Meanwhile, Jeb Bush wants Republicans to forget Reagan and look ahead. http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/05/06/top_stories/doc4a0152826cf2... --- Soon as they make up their mind what they want to do, they'll tell you what to think. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: i am thinking of moving to Montana...wanna join me?
I've got molds for 44 cal 45 cal 357 7.63. Wheel weights make pretty bullets. Peace, Doc On May 5, 6:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Try to buy bullets! On May 5, 6:41 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: plain, Why? On May 5, 2:22 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like a safe place for honest people to live Criminals Beware! On May 5, 4:39 am, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.com wrote: http://dprogram.net/2009/05/04/montana-governor-sign-stunning-new-gun... Posted by sakerfa on May 4, 2009 Montana Governor Sign Stunning New Gun Law Gov. Brian Schweitzer has signed into law a bill that aims to exempt Montana-made guns from federal regulation. House Bill 246 was sponsored by Republican Rep. Joel Boniek of Livingston. It applies only to guns made and kept in Montana. Its supporters hope it triggers a court case to test the legal basis for federal rules governing gun sales. The measure is 1 of many introduced this year by state lawmakers across the nation that seek to assert state sovereignty. Along with the gun bill, Montana legislators are also considering a resolution that affirms the federal government only has those powers listed in the U.S. Constitution. House Resolution 3 follows an effort that failed earlier this session. It was heard Wednesday by the House Judiciary Committee. Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.kpvi.com/Global/story.asp?S=10190400 MONTANA GOVERNOR SIGNS NEW GUN LAW Executive Summary - The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal confiscation of privately owned firearms. Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama’s face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it. Important Points If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA, the very document that empowers the USA. Silencers made in Montana and sold in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors. Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back. Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters. There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana. Way to go Montana! Discussion Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they will probably vote to secede from the USA. The governor of Texas has already been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the USA. Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Don't we already react to propaganda and or media with all sorts of wailing wall embellishments? To hell with hate crimes. A crime is a crime is a crime; PERIOD! Hey and if one would get the death sentence for his crimes for murder what would he / she get if a hate crime were tacked on; the electric chair and then the gas chamber or both twice? The constitution already makes no exceptions and or privileges for race, color, creed, religion etc. You have placed these special ones above the lowly masses which is unconstitutional. Fuck thought control! Peace, Doc On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely recognizable and understood images--burning crosses and churches, neo-Nazi goosesteppers, and, most recently, the burned corpse of Billy Jack Gaither in Coosa County, Alabama; James Byrd, chained and dragged behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas; and Shepard's silhouetted body lashed to a Laramie, Wyoming, buck fence--to suggest that the United States is a seething cauldron of hate directed at members of unpopular groups. Although demonstrably false (even the statistics gathered by the advocates of hate crime legislation demonstrate there is thankfully no epidemic of such heinous acts), the formula remains popular, partly because it provides the media with a ready-made angle by elevating ordinary crimes to matters of urgent, national concern involving sexism, racism, and homophobia. Indeed, the formula provides big ratings and material benefits both to advocates and to their academic allies. And it provides politicians with the opportunity to engage in cost-free, camera-friendly symbolic activity. With the Shepard case, the Wild West setting of the murder augmented the standard media narrative: *Of course*, the coverage implied, Wyoming's macho, frontier culture is closed-minded, bigoted, and homophobic--what else could it be? As an NBC reporter put it while standing outside a Laramie drinking joint, At Wild Willies Cowboy Bar today, patrons said hate is easy to find here. Never mind that Wyoming was the first state to grant women the right not only to vote but to own property and to hold office; that it elected the nation's first female governor in 1924; that it ratified the Equal Rights Amendment in 1973; that it was at the forefront of a trend in the 1970s to repeal sodomy laws; and that in the 1990s, more than 70 percent of its voters rejected anti-abortion initiatives. For the media, Wyoming was a natural setting for such a bestial crime. As *The New York Times*editorial page intoned the day following Shepard's
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Begin OBAMA POSITIONING FOR BACK DOOR GUN CONTROL By Chuck Baldwin April 24, 2009 NewsWithViews.com On his recent trip to Central America, President Barack Obama did more than cozy up to Marxist dictators; he also signed onto an international treaty that could, in effect, be used as backdoor gun control. It appears that Obama wants to use international treaties to do what congressional legislation is not able to do: further restrict the right of the American people to keep and bear arms. Obama is using the oft-disproved contention that 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States as the stated basis of his support for the international treaty he is promoting. The treaty is formally known as the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials (CIFTA) treaty. The Bill Clinton administration signed the treaty back in 1997, but the U.S. Senate has never ratified the treaty. Obama intends to change that. To date, 33 nations in the western hemisphere have signed the treaty. The U.S. is one of four nations that have yet to ratify it. According to one senior Obama administration official, passing the treaty is a high priority for the President. If ratified, the treaty would require the United States to adopt strict licensing requirements, mark firearms when they are made and imported to make them easier to trace, and establish a process for sharing information between national law enforcement agencies investigating [gun] smuggling. Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee promises to work for its [the CIFTA treaty's] approval by the Senate. Should the Senate ratify CIFTA, Americans who reload ammunition would be required to get a license from the government, and factory guns and ammunition would be priced almost out of existence due to governmental requirements to mark each one manufactured. Even the simple act of adding an after-market piece of equipment to a firearm, such as a scope or bipod, or reassembling a gun after cleaning it could fall into the category of illicit manufacturing of firearms and require government license and oversight. In addition, CIFTA would authorize the U.S. federal government (and open the door to international entities) to supervise and regulate virtually the entire American firearms industry. Making matters worse is the fact that, as a treaty, this Act does not have to be passed by both houses of Congress, nor is it subject to judicial oversight. All Obama needs to do in order to enact this unconstitutional and egregious form of gun control is convince a Democratic-controlled Senate to pass it. Obviously, the United Nations, from its very inception, has been one of the world's most ardent gun control proponents. As anyone who has ever driven by the U.N. building in New York City knows, a huge statue of an American-made revolver with its barrel twisted in the shape of a pretzel greets every visitor. The CIFTA treaty is one of the U.N.'s pet projects in order to achieve this long-held ambition. Of course, Obama is a longtime liberal radical when it comes to the Second Amendment. As a senator, he voted against the Second Amendment at every opportunity. He has never seen a piece of gun control legislation that he did not support. And as I have said before in this column, gun control is high on the list of priorities for the newly elected President Barack Obama. For Obama to intimate that 90% of the firearms used by Mexican drug cartels come from the United States reveals either a truly dishonest and deceptive mind or a totally misinformed and naïve one. Many studies have thoroughly debunked the 90% myth, including one by William La Jeunesse and Maxim Lott in a recent Fox News report. According to these researchers, the real number is closer to 17%. According to La Jeunesse and Lott, Mexican drug cartels, which control billions of dollars, obtain the overwhelming majority of their guns from the Black Market, Russian crime syndicates, South America, China, Guatemala, and even from the Mexican army. In fact, Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar: AK-47s from China; fragmentation grenades from South Korea; shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc dealers; assault weapons from China; and explosives from Korea--just to name a few sources. Advertisement In addition, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo, more than 150,000 Mexican soldiers have deserted in just the last six years. The vast majority of them took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium. And please do not forget that corruption within the Mexican government is rampant. Many news sources have covered stories of how drug cartels bribe Mexican officials. An article in the New York Times last year reported, One of Mexico's most notorious drug cartels made huge cash payments to officials in the
Generating FEAR? Is violence being magnified or embellished by the MSM to affect change of Americas 2nd amendment rights?
Whats being Pumped into you living rooms? Are we going to continue to take the bait? Pumping paranoia and schizophrenia into the psyche our nation; where are the advocates for The only thing we have to fear is fear itself? Are they contributing to our nut case problems? Shouldn't the be tried for infighting a national riot? Edward Bernays would be proud! Does anybody have the poop on what these people will be advocating? Attorney General Eric Holder Names New Leadership for ATF, Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, and Office of Professional Responsibility WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder today announced that he will appoint Kenneth E. Melson to serve as acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), H. Marshall Jarrett to head the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA), and Mary Patrice Brown to serve as acting head of the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR). These extremely experienced and capable long time career prosecutors are uniquely qualified to lead these important offices, said Attorney General Holder. I am pleased that these dedicated public servants, Ken, Marshall, and Mary Pat, have accepted their new challenges with enthusiasm. I know that they will lead their new offices with their usual high standards of professionalism, integrity and dedication. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, is one of the Department’s principal law enforcement agencies dedicated to preventing terrorism, reducing violent crime and enforcing federal criminal laws and regulations in the firearms and explosives industries. Since 2007, Melson has been the Director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys. Previous to that, he was the First Assistant for the U.S. Attorneys Office for the Eastern District of Virginia. From 1991 to 2001, Melson served as Acting and Interim U.S. Attorney of that office during various periods of time. He began his career as a federal prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia in 1983 where he was an Assistant U.S. Attorney until he became First Assistant in 1986. From 1975 to 1983, Melson served in different positions for the Commonwealth’s Attorney, Arlington County, Va. From 1980 to 1983, he was the Deputy Commonwealth’s Attorney, from 1978 to 1980, he was the Chief Assistant, and from 1975 to 1978 he was an Assistant. He served in private law practice in Arlington, Va., from 1974 to 1975. Melson is a past President and Distinguished Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and currently participates on behalf of the Department on the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/ Laboratory Accreditation Board. He has been an adjunct professor at George Washington University for almost 30 years teaching both law and forensic science courses. Melson received his B.A. from Denison University in 1970 and his J.D. from George Washington University in 1973. Ken’s more than 25 years of career federal prosecutor service and his knowledge in forensic science will make him a valuable asset to ATF, said Attorney General Holder. I am pleased that he will provide his talents to such an important Department of Justice agency. As the head of ATF, I am looking forward to using my management and prosecutorial experience, as well as my knowledge of crime labs and forensic science to combat violent crime, said Melson. The Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys acts as a liaison between the Department and the 94 U.S. Attorneys offices throughout the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, the Marianas Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Since 1998, Marshall Jarrett has been the Counsel for Professional Responsibility. Prior to directing OPR, in1997, Jarrett served in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General as an Associate Deputy Attorney General participating in the formulation of federal criminal law enforcement policy and supervising the prosecution of corrupt officials, violent drug gangs, white collar criminals, and international terrorists. In 1988, he served in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia as Chief of the Criminal Division. In 1980, he joined the Public Integrity Section of the Department of Justice and rose to become a Deputy Chief. He joined the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of West Virginia in 1975, as a trial attorney and ascended to the office’s Criminal Chief and First Assistant. From 1979 to1980, Jarrett worked at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission as Deputy Director of the Enforcement Division, and as a Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania from 1973 to 1975. He is the recipient of the Edmund J. Randolph Award for outstanding service to the Department of Justice. Jarrett received his B.S. in 1966 from West Virginia University and his J.D. from West Virginia University College of Law in 1969. I have had the privilege of working with Marshall over the years and I have the highest regard for
Re: whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam is at war with the United States
Radical Christian are too at war with radical Islam and they're both
nuts. Israel loves it. American blood and guts for Israel the insanity
of the ME brought to US by the philosophies, propaganda and revenge of
Leo Strauss and the likes may his NAZI filled idealistic hate and
revenge pendulum Edgar Allen Poe swung off the fulcrum troubled and
demented mind / soul rest in peace. The University of Chicago should
be proud of such
Peace,
Doc
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From: Travis
Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009
Subject: But whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam is
at war with the United States
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Re: The NRA has a new posterboy
Look who held this chimp hostage and or raised him; monkey see monkey do rigs. Peace, Doc On Apr 8, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Monkeys are capable of violence- look at the pet chimp who tore off a woman's face and blinded her recently. (Or one that entered our gatehouse.)//I think it takes a reasonable mind to handle guns or violence. There are plenty of violent means. It also seems that the ones who are most treacherous are liberals with diseased souls or violent cults. Then, there are also the various ways society has constructed to kill a person- his fortune or his reputation.// I wouldn't mind a bodyguard, myself, considering the steeple chase I ran as a single mom.//Maybe the military/hunters and cops are schooled enough- I pray for them everyday- they have to face great odds- every single day. On Apr 7, 6:35 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Monkeys don't shoot people and that people have too much gray matter and not enough sense to use it. I keep locked and loaded just for such emergencies cause I can't afford a bodyguard and there's too much unqualified / crazy gray matter at large. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 6:20 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Good Evening Doc!! And...The point of this is On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1431038195362274085 Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 3:09 pm, Fritz da Cat fritz.da.cat...@gmail.com wrote:- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam is at war with the United States
It's too obvious you have an agenda and the objective ain't peace.
It's to make robots of those who would be left after the dust settles.
You are with us or with the terrorist Either fundamental side can
not exist and or are dependent on each others insane violence and
suffering to insight hatred. The extremist / fundamentalist are not
interested in Peace and either side would kill or silence the person
(s) who would carry the message of peace so they may continue their
insane agenda to win or die. Jesus Christ was the prime example of
this in that he was for neither side because both sides exhibited
hatred and revenge and picking sides is not the peaceful solution and
or message because peace picks no sides and that's why Christ was
despised and or both feared fear his philosophy so in order to keep
their agenda going they killed Christ.
Peace,
Doc
On Apr 8, 6:14 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Doc: I get AFP too.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote:
Radical Christian are too at war with radical Islam and they're both
nuts. Israel loves it. American blood and guts for Israel the insanity
of the ME brought to US by the philosophies, propaganda and revenge of
Leo Strauss and the likes may his NAZI filled idealistic hate and
revenge pendulum Edgar Allen Poe swung off the fulcrum troubled and
demented mind / soul rest in peace. The University of Chicago should
be proud of such
Peace,
Doc
On Apr 8, 5:53 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Travis
Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009
Subject: But whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam
is
at war with the United States
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Re: The NRA has a new posterboy
no hear, no speak, no see monkeys. :-) Well it would seem to me that in that case they would be wild untamed mild manner monkeys who do what comes natural. In the world of American Idol it's hard to be me! Damned all this role playing and acting BS. Buck Owens - Act Naturally Lyrics They're gonna put me in the movies They're gonna make a big star out of me We'll make a film about a man that's sad and lonely And all I have to do is act naturally [CHORUS] Well, I bet you I'm gonna be a big star Might win an Oscar you can never tell The movie's gonna make me a big star, 'Cause I can play the part so well Well, I hope you come and see me in the movie Then I'll know that you will plainly see The biggest fool that ever hit the big time And all I have to do is act naturally We'll make a film about a man that's sad and lonely Begging down upon his bended knee I'll play the part but I won't need rehearsing All I have to do is act naturally [CHORUS] Peace, Doc On Apr 8, 5:02 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: An idiot. They are now training monkeys to help the afflicted in Boston. What if the monkey freaks out? I have an old wall clock in the attic- no hear, no speak, no see monkeys. :-) On Apr 8, 4:55 pm,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Look who held this chimp hostage and or raised him; monkey see monkey do rigs. Peace, Doc On Apr 8, 4:28 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Monkeys are capable of violence- look at the pet chimp who tore off a woman's face and blinded her recently. (Or one that entered our gatehouse.)//I think it takes a reasonable mind to handle guns or violence. There are plenty of violent means. It also seems that the ones who are most treacherous are liberals with diseased souls or violent cults. Then, there are also the various ways society has constructed to kill a person- his fortune or his reputation.// I wouldn't mind a bodyguard, myself, considering the steeple chase I ran as a single mom.//Maybe the military/hunters and cops are schooled enough- I pray for them everyday- they have to face great odds- every single day. On Apr 7, 6:35 pm,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Monkeys don't shoot people and that people have too much gray matter and not enough sense to use it. I keep locked and loaded just for such emergencies cause I can't afford a bodyguard and there's too much unqualified / crazy gray matter at large. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 6:20 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Good EveningDoc!! And...The point of this is On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1431038195362274085 Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 3:09 pm, Fritz da Cat fritz.da.cat...@gmail.com wrote:- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam is at war with the United States
Israel has us jump the gun by lobbying for power to go into Iraq. If
America had played the martyr then in the case of Iran we would have
maintained more clout via a humble attitude and could have had the
endorsement of the international communities around the world. But
n we had to jump in and act BIG PETE so we lost our
integrity of being the gentle giant and now China is positioning
itself as such as we also borrowed to the hilt from china because this
unnecessary preemptive war has stolen our credibility and made us look
like a raging bully China now rules the roost and never fired a shot!.
All this is total lack of insight and a idiotic ploy to have American
in the same quagmire of the insanity of the ME. Oh some people are so
damned smart and have us do all the dirty work and have us take the
blame while George Washington's farewell address 1796 was condemned
and quietly put on the shit list and now we pay for our stupidity and
that some entity saying that those principals of George Washington and
Thomas Jefferson were outdated. Well By God Just look at us
now!!! It has come to pass!!!
Peace,
Doc
On Apr 8, 5:27 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote:
I agree Israel should be very alarmed by Obama/Biden. These two clowns
are so afraid that Israel will defend itself against Iran and stop Iran
from getting the bomb while Obama and Biden try to play patty cake with
Dinner Jacket that they are trying to FORBID Israel from attacking
Iran. Ludicrous. If Israel is in danger from Iran, then they should
defend themselves regardless of what the stupid twins have to say about
it. Obama and Biden can go home and go to sleep at night while the
Israelis have to be prepared for anything from those nuts over there.
rigsy03 wrote:
Israel should be alramed by Obama/Biden- perhaps a greater threat to
Jews than the Nazis and Russian progoms.
On Apr 8, 6:04 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Radical Christian are too at war with radical Islam and they're both
nuts. Israel loves it. American blood and guts for Israel the insanity
of the ME brought to US by the philosophies, propaganda and revenge of
Leo Strauss and the likes may his NAZI filled idealistic hate and
revenge pendulum Edgar Allen Poe swung off the fulcrum troubled and
demented mind / soul rest in peace. The University of Chicago should
be proud of such
Peace,
Doc
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From: Travis
Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009
Subject: But whether you like it or not, President Obama, Radical Islam is
at war with the United States
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Re: 10 Common Myths On the Overseas Contingency Operations
AMEN! we should of keep our damned noses out of their shit, claimed
our autonomy and been the man, now the Statue of Liberty means
nothing!! America is in hock to China and now China (and such) turns
around buying our nation up for a song and claims the humble position
of the new world power and never fired a shot.The world banks win and
will have their new world currencies. Played their flute like a damned
pie eyed piper and we follow them right out of town the whole world
will be at their mercy currency being the media in which power and
control flows and it's nothing but an illusion with no intrinsic
value!
Peace,
Doc
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10 Common Myths On the ‘Overseas Contingency Operations’
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you can't spread democracy at the end of a gun
and why is the the USA trying to spread democracy?
there are no rules in war
win by attrition
commerce with all nations - alliance with none
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Re: CFL's causing problems for utilities
The BS of read the small print is eating our collective capitalist deceitful asses up. When will honesty and or transparency become the norm and not the exception? Damn The Mona Lisa and her smile! Peace, Doc On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: ++ | CFLs Causing Utility Woes | | from the so-very-simple-that-only-a-child-can-do-it dept. | | posted by timothy on Wednesday April 08, @17:50 (Power) | | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/08/2125250 | ++ [0]dacut writes We've seen [1]compact fluorescent lamps start to take over shelf space at the local hardware store. Replacing a 60 watt incandescent with a 13 watt CFL seems like a great savings, though [2]many consumers are disappointed with the slow warm-up times, lower-than-advertised lifetimes, and hassles of disposing the mercury-containing bulbs. Now EDN reports [3]they may use more energy than claimed due to their poor [4]power factor. Mike Grather, of Lumenaire Testing Laboratory, 'checked the power factor for the CFLs and found they ranged from .45 to .50. Their real load was about twice that implied by their wattage.' The good news: you're only billed for the 13 watts of real power used. The bad news: the utilities have to generate the equivalent of 28 watts (that is, 28 [5]VA of apparent power for you EEs out there) to light that bulb. Until they fix these issues, I'll hold on to my incandescents and [6]carbon arc lamps, thanks. Discuss this story at: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/04/08/2125250 Links: 0. mailto:da...@kanga.org 1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp 2.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/business/energy-environment/28bulbs... 3.http://www.edn.com/blog/147147/post/450043045.html 4.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor 5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere 6.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_lamp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fidel meets the US lawmakers - bet their hearts just went pitty pat
Well the Feds and world banks are doing to us what Russia's failed state did to Cuba. we may be looking at our next model of survival because Cuba has already been where we're possibly headed. To suggest that Obama didn't have any help from the former Bush cartel is totally ludicrous. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 4:37 pm, soulereclipse soulerecli...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised. Not that they went, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I am surprised that they were so naive as to give voice to Castro. I am surprised that they were allowed to be duped into his photo op or were actually so racist themselves as to find nothing better to talk about than why Colin Powell didn't run. Either way, they have had their political chains pulled and I hope their infantile foreign policy exploits come to a halt rather quickly. On Apr 7, 4:43 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Am not surprised these are members of the Black Caucus and Democratic Party. On Apr 7, 2:46 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/1374/story/988858.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The NRA has a new posterboy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1431038195362274085 Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 3:09 pm, Fritz da Cat fritz.da.cat...@gmail.com wrote: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fidel meets the US lawmakers - bet their hearts just went pitty pat
They have imprinted into you mind just what you should mimic. to wit Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny... -- Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941 Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries. -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975 Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job. -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers. -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa) History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance. -- James Madison These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency... -- Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913 This contrived emergency by the money vultures and the political manipulations of FDR, et. al. since then has created innumerous abuses, usurpations, and abridgments of Constitutionally delegated Powers and Authority as clearly stated in Senate Report 93-549 (1973): A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [-1824 years now in 109] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 6:15 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: No question that President Bush didn't do his Nation any favors with TARP during his last few months in office. Nevertheless, the whole shit, bang and kaboodle of our economic plight can be laid at the Democrat Party's feet. I'll say it again, Three words, a lotta syllables: Community Reinvestment Act. On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Well the Feds and world banks are doing to us what Russia's failed state did to Cuba. we may be looking at our next model of survival because Cuba has already been where we're possibly headed. To suggest that Obama didn't have any help from the former Bush cartel is totally ludicrous. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 4:37 pm, soulereclipse soulerecli...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised. Not that they went, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I am surprised that they were so naive as to give voice to Castro. I am surprised that they were allowed to be duped into his photo op or were actually so racist themselves as to find nothing better to talk about than why Colin Powell didn't run. Either way, they have had their political chains pulled and I hope their infantile foreign policy exploits come to a halt rather quickly. On Apr 7, 4:43 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Am not surprised these are members of the Black Caucus and Democratic Party. On Apr 7, 2:46 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/1374/story/988858.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The NRA has a new posterboy
Monkeys don't shoot people and that people have too much gray matter and not enough sense to use it. I keep locked and loaded just for such emergencies cause I can't afford a bodyguard and there's too much unqualified / crazy gray matter at large. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 6:20 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Good Evening Doc!! And...The point of this is On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1431038195362274085 Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 3:09 pm, Fritz da Cat fritz.da.cat...@gmail.com wrote: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fidel meets the US lawmakers - bet their hearts just went pitty pat
, outright nasty; there is a reason for it. If someone's home is in total disarray, there is a reason for it. When our monetary system, and our tax system, and our budget is so totally confused and nonsensical, there is a reason for it. I am hearing very few politicians calling for the tax system, or our monetary system to be cleaned up, and none of those individuals are on the Democrat/Socialist side of the aisle.. On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: They have imprinted into you mind just what you should mimic. to wit Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny... -- Congressman Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941 Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries. -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975 Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation...but can't, [won't] support the drastic reforms to stop it [repeal of the Federal Reserve Act] because it could cost him his job. -- Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers. -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa) History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance. -- James Madison These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency... -- Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913 This contrived emergency by the money vultures and the political manipulations of FDR, et. al. since then has created innumerous abuses, usurpations, and abridgments of Constitutionally delegated Powers and Authority as clearly stated in Senate Report 93-549 (1973): A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [-1824 years now in 109] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 6:15 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: No question that President Bush didn't do his Nation any favors with TARP during his last few months in office. Nevertheless, the whole shit, bang and kaboodle of our economic plight can be laid at the Democrat Party's feet. I'll say it again, Three words, a lotta syllables: Community Reinvestment Act. On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well the Feds and world banks are doing to us what Russia's failed state did to Cuba. we may be looking at our next model of survival because Cuba has already been where we're possibly headed. To suggest that Obama didn't have any help from the former Bush cartel is totally ludicrous. Peace, Doc On Apr 7, 4:37 pm, soulereclipse soulerecli...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised. Not that they went, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I am surprised that they were so naive as to give voice to Castro. I am surprised that they were allowed to be duped into his photo op or were actually so racist themselves as to find nothing better to talk about than why Colin Powell didn't run. Either way, they have had their political chains pulled and I hope their infantile foreign policy exploits come to a halt rather quickly. On Apr 7, 4:43 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Am not surprised these are members of the Black Caucus and Democratic Party. On Apr 7, 2:46 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/1374/story/988858.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: From Riches to Rags
It makes it very clear to me that both parties are in the sack together. When you know that then why argue and or pay attention to what they want you to pay attention to? Dissing Obama is a diversion and Obama has been groomed to stay the course. Any president chosen by the fascist owned MSM is following the script. to wit http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/18.html Part of the overall lie is the use of religion. Bush presents himself as a born-again Christian, yet in direct contradiction of Christian values proceeds to sow death and destruction. He does that/has done that not only as the president - as governor of Texas he broke the record for imposing the death penalty. In the meantime, a majority of Americans are convinced that Bush conned them into a war against Iraq with a pack of lies and his vice-president has assigned himself to the task of preventing torture from being banned. Hardly Christian. 'Who would Jesus torture?' could be a variant of the well-known bumper sticker 'Who would Jesus bomb?'. '[...] for the neoconservatives, religion was a myth, like the myth of America as a unique nation that they had promoted in the Cold War. Strauss had taught that these myths were necessary to give ordinary people meaning and purpose, and so ensure a stable society', says Adam Curtis in his BBC documentary series The Power of Nightmares about Leo Strauss, ideologue of the neoconservatives. Religion as a deep-rooted weapon in the battle of Divide and Conquer. On September 11th the U.S. was not attacked by 19 Muslims. As evidenced by the facts brought to the fore by the likes of scientists, technicians and ex-ministers, 9-11 was a false flag operation carried out in contract to and/or in cooperation with the White House, just like the false flag attacks in London on 7-7. The goal of both attacks was to criminalize Muslim society and thereby make possible the conquest of territory outside the West, as well as the imposition of measures inside the West designed to curb freedom. In the eyes of those who have been declaring war of late, the lies and the deceit are a necessary evil: According to neoconservative ideologue Leo Strauss, it is acceptable to lie to the public (the so- called 'noble lie') for their own benefit, a vision which coincides with that of Skull Bones, the secret society that George W. Bush belongs to. This secret society is an elite network set up with that objective in mind. It wants to survive and to dominate at any cost, and does so by way of a fascination with death and destruction and an total lack of respect for all who find themselves somewhere below their highest point of the pyramid. It is precisely these traits that we are once again seeing in the American government of today - a government that, in imitation of the pirate mentality evoked by the pirate emblem of Skull Bones, has hijacked the American public and managed to demonstrate its parasitic lifestyle in the rest of the world as well. It is a way of life that is favorable only to the elite of the elite, and the results are becoming evident: more and more the White House is alienating itself from the rest of the world. This sentiment could change were the U.S. to once again fall victim to another attack. Because of this, all attention should be devoted toward preventing a third false flag operation like September 11th. A second September 11th could be an attack carried out by Israel, in contract to and at the same time against the U.S. (which happened before with Operation Cyanide). Iran could be blamed for the attack, and then the U.S. would attack Iran with a preemptive nuclear strike. Read about the coming war against Iran in this comprehensive series from DeepJournal. end snip Peace, Doc On Apr 1, 4:50 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: He seems very opposed to the policies of Obama but best I should let him post his own thoughts. And I have twirled though a series of lessons myself, Doc. Didn't really pay much attention to politics until 2000- so I'm 9 years old! lol // Well, Pasha Obama is certainly not stingey with his entourage to Europe and Turkey- brought 500 along, his own toilet, chef and food. This doesn't make me feel humble- I find it insulting! On Mar 31, 9:03 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I hope he's OK too rigs. I use to run my mouth (still do some times way too much) and humiliating circumstance help me to get humble. But I couldn't help from that popping up in my haead after all the bloating he did about Bush and the direction he was taking this country and how Bush policies were the right policies. Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 4:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: He's an angel son and moved to his mother's home to help her after her hip operations didn't work out very well. He hasn't been around lately and I hope he's okay. See you later, Doc. On Mar 31, 7:21 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Where's Gaar
Re: The Jihad against Christianity
Divide and conquer. They are having their way; don't you see? I reiterate; to wit The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both. The king said to the people. God made you peasants, and He made me king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to command. Such is the justice of God. And the priest said; God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God. Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 9:16 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for sharing this article by Tom Mattzie Biff. First, I would be opposed to Notre Dame rescinding the offer made to President Obama inviting him to speak at Notre Dame's commencement ceremonies in May. Despite my opposition to most all of President Obama's policies, and my questioning his legitimacy as the president because of the constitutionality of his presidency, President Obama is still the President of the United States, and should be afforded the respect of the office of President. If President Obama had any common decency, common sense, or moral fortitude, President Obama would personally decline the offer, being that the fundamental tenets of Notre Dame and Catholicism is in direct contrast to his policies and agenda. Where Mr. Mattzie gets his belief that there is some Republican operative in Right Wing Groups that founded the group attacking Notre Dame is asinine, and a typical far left, radical extremist ploy. The fact is, that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has previously called for Catholic institutions to shun those political figures who act “in defiance of our fundamental moral principles”: http://www.usccb.org/bishops/catholicsinpoliticallife.shtml There is a large backlash from student groups and student unions at Notre Dame who are opposed to President Obama's appearance: Notre Dame Student Groups Denounce University's Choice for Commencement Speech : http://www.ndresponse.com/press.html There is a large backlash among Catholics in general. The Bishop that is head of the Catholic Diocese in South Bend Indiana has refused to attend, as well as a significant amount of dignitaries who are Catholic. Just as important, the Catholic community is upset with the decision by Notre Dame: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/religion/post/2009/03/64571525/1 What Mr. Mattzie fails to realize, is that it is he, and the Democrat Party that are out of touch with Americans and our Nation. Mr. Mattzie's partisan statement that, Right-wing institutes and non-profits that seek to influence protestant churches and Judaism. Their goal is to undermine religious social thought that might tilt things towards progressive policies rather than the now-failed conservative policies. clearly shows that Mr. Mattzie is out-of-touch with not only his faith, but with the rest of Americans. I would challenge Mr. Mattzie, as well as you Biff, to name, the great and large swath of Catholic teaching(s) that Mr. Mattzie references, which he believes President Obama supports. There are none. The Democrat Party, as well as President Obama are out of touch with America, as they are clearly seeing and beginning to understand. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Biff jacobsenj...@sbcglobal.net wrote: .This is an effort by a small cabal of ultra-conservative partisans to separate Catholicism from its calling for social and economic justice and peace. A Republican operative who has simultaneous roles at other Right-Wing groups founded the group attacking Notre Dame. There are similar efforts is about the giant fights in Washington right now over the economy, health care and the future of our planet. These Obama and Notre Dame critics are not speaking for a serious number of the tens of millions of American Catholics who voted for Barack Obama--nor even probably most of those who voted for John McCain. As an alumnus of Notre Dame (Class of 1997 and one-time class president) who has gone on to a career in Democratic and progressive politics I am proud that my alma mater is welcoming our president. There is no doubt that Notre Dame, as a Catholic institution, will disagree with the president on specific issues like abortion. But there is a great and large swath of Catholic teaching that addresses policies for people who are poor, sick, aged, immigrants, those with disabilities, war enemies and those in prison. These attacks on Notre Dame are an attack on Catholic social teachings. Tom Mattzie On Mar 30, 8:27 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame shucks Obama as a Commencement speaker/ recipient of an an honorary law
Re: The Jihad against Christianity
Why does fear mongering and warmongering get 5 * from six posters on this forum? Am I among a bunch of pro Armageddonists? Do I look like so dumb ass Christian slob of blind faith or are yall preaching to the quire? To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest was blasphemy. For many centuries the sword and cross were allies. Together they attacked the rights of man. They defended each other. The throne and altar were twins -- two vultures from the same egg. James I. said: No bishop, no king. He might have added: No cross, no crown. The king owned the bodies of men; the priest, the souls. One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear -- both robbers, both beggars. These robbers and these beggars controlled two worlds. The king made laws, the priest made creeds. Both obtained their authority from God, both were the agents of the Infinite. With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, and with wonder's open mouth received the dogmas of the other. If the people aspired to be free, they were crushed by the king, and every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain. The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both. The king said to the people. God made you peasants, and He made me king; He made you to labor, and me to enjoy; He made rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me. He made you to obey, and me to command. Such is the justice of God. And the priest said; God made you ignorant and vile; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me. If you do not obey me here, God will punish you now and torment you forever in another world. Such is the mercy of God. You must not reason. Reason is a rebel. You must not contradict -- contradiction is born of egotism; you must believe. He that hath ears to hear let him hear. Heaven was a question of ears. Fortunately for us, there have been traitors and there have been heretics, blasphemers, thinkers, investigators, lovers of liberty, men of genius who have given their lives to better the condition of their fellow-men. It may be well enough here to ask the question: What is greatness? A great man adds to the sum of knowledge, extends the horizon of thought, releases souls from the Bastille of fear, crosses unknown and mysterious seas, gives new islands and new continents to the domain of thought, new constellations to the firmament of mind. A great man does not seek applause or place; he seeks for truth; he seeks the road to happiness, and what he ascertains he gives to others. A great man throws pearls before swine, and the swine are sometimes changed to men. If the great had always kept their pearls, vast multitudes would be barbarians now. A great man is a torch in the darkness, a beacon: in superstition's night, an inspiration and a prophecy. Greatness is not the gift of majorities; it cannot be thrust upon any man; men cannot give it to another; they can give place and power, but not greatness. The place does not make the man, nor the scepter the king. Greatness is from within. The great men are the heroes who have freed the bodies of men; they are the philosophers and thinkers who have given liberty to the soul; they are the poets who have transfigured the common and filled the lives of many millions with love and song. They are the artists who have covered the bare walls of weary life with the triumphs of genius. They are the heroes who have slain the monsters of ignorance and fear, who have out-gazed the Gorgon and driven the cruel gods from their thrones. They are the inventors, the discoverers, the great Mechanics, the kings of the useful who have civilized this world. At the head of this heroic army, foremost of all, stands Voltaire, whose memory we are honoring tonight. Peace, Doc Peace, Doc On Mar 30, 7:38 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: The straw dog put forth by the leftist sadist loons is that, “abiding solely within their ranks” is compassion for minorities, the oppressed and disenfranchised. Though; this beguiles their absolute mission to simply prostitute these groups in a quest to abolish the religious underpinnings this country was founded upon. Karl Marx once said, “Religion is the opiate of the masses”. It has been the ardent ambition of liberal progressives to detoxify America of all religious, “opiates” and to remove the moral handrails of the huddled masses. Prior to the Roe V. Wade decision of 1973 progressives denied a religious or political perspective postulation on the subject of abortion. Their claim, “at that time” was that abortion was a constitutional issue, not a social conundrum to be left to the sway of the electorate over its properly elected representatives. And; thanks to a legislative Supreme Court, a finding of a general right to privacy in the constitution, “where ones does not exist”, emanations of penumbras along with a complete
Re: Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
Do words dictate inalienable rights? Did Charlton Heston mean what he said? Peace, DOC On Mar 31, 6:51 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Travis Subject: Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, http://www.infowars.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/ Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out http://www.infowars.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/ *Alan Korwin* Infowars March 13, 2009 Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did. Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens. Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse): Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty , Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has: (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.” - A d v e r t i s e m e n t - [image: efoods] http://www.efoodsdirect.com/products.html Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
And to think that my forefathers paid in blood sweat and tears for this shit! I know this isn't the vision that had in mind. To let the heartless pieces of scum take our country over like this is insanity! Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 4:45 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: America is a wreak. It is a sadness everyday. To love your country is more grief than loving a man. On Mar 30, 9:39 pm, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not telling you this stuff to win..I'm telling you this stuff so you can stick around a while longer. I don't mean to preach, but being an ex-smoker with COPD in medical school, it's a wicked combination. On Mar 30, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I did think of you this morning- read a short meditation on not being so defensive- which I was. Yes- but think of all the money I am raising for my state! Okay- you win the argument but I win the freedom- like bikers refuse to wear helmets- or men join the military instead of being a librarian, etc. This just happens to be my personal risk taking and in the course of a life I have seen ruined health and deaths come from other sources- very few from smoking/drinking. There's maybe one smoker left among my children/their mates- and he has to smoke on the deck. :-) On Mar 29, 5:06 pm, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I've had hours of lectures in medical school on the subject. Cars, allergies, food, water, etc. etc. etc. don't even come close to the damage inflicted by cigarette smoke. Again, I'm an ex smoker..and almost done with my second year of medical school. You're not going to win this one. While I agree there are multiple risks out there, why would you intentionally up the ante intentionally? As for the environment, I'm all for cleaner air. On Mar 29, 5:14 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nor do you address the enormous increase in asthma in industrialized nations unrelated to smoking. On Mar 29, 8:42 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: You know that obesity in America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of smoking, I presume. = Wrong. The reason obesity is surpassing smoking as a health risk is because less people are smoking. Furthermore, your being fat and standing next to me has no effect on my healthyour smoking next to me does. I quit a 25 year smoking habitand don't miss it. I have mild COPD to show for it. I'm now in medical school (late bloomer)and in almost every disease process I've studied in the last 2 years, smoking is a risk factor. I can understand enjoying smoking.I did while I smoked.but it is terrible for your health. Even worse are the obese smokers. Better to eat healthy, not smoke, and avoid both unhealthy lifestyles. Trust me.you don't want COPD. On Mar 28, 4:23 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I enjoy smoking- why should I give up a pleasure? I am giving up lunching with Liberals as a trade-off. :-) You know that obesity in America is counted as a greater health risk versus a lifetime of smoking, I presume. On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: Rigs: In Dec I paid $22.10 a carton. Jan mfgr price increase $.2.40 a carton. March 1 Ark tax increaase $5.60 a carton. April 1 Fed tax increase $6.10 per carton. Price April 2 = $36.20 a 58% increase. I now pay appx 70% of price in taxes. BS. I Quit. Annual savings in taxes alone is about $2000.00. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:10 AM, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Smoking may become a patriot's duty, d.b.! :-) Last carton was $54. When I said I might start growing tobacco the man behind me said you'll sooner get marijuana.// Why not redesign the head gasket- whatever that is- I grow faint when open the hood of my car. I often wished you could repair a car with a sewing machine or needle and thread.// I have a large back yard- the last one in the neighborhood- and have thought of lambs, geese and chickens but would be breaking city codes although the desecration of breathing space and privacy around homes doesn't qualify as injurious. But they are. On Mar 27, 1:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the
Re: From Riches to Rags
Where's Gaar? Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 4:16 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like a title! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: From Riches to Rags
I hope he's OK too rigs. I use to run my mouth (still do some times way too much) and humiliating circumstance help me to get humble. But I couldn't help from that popping up in my haead after all the bloating he did about Bush and the direction he was taking this country and how Bush policies were the right policies. Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 4:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: He's an angel son and moved to his mother's home to help her after her hip operations didn't work out very well. He hasn't been around lately and I hope he's okay. See you later, Doc. On Mar 31, 7:21 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Where's Gaar? Peace, Doc On Mar 31, 4:16 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like a title!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is The United States The Israel Of Bible Prophecy?
It's the hocus pocus of the hereafter that's got this nation screwed mixed with the 21 virgin hocus pocus of the hereafter of others and such insane beliefs that my god is bigger than your gos BS. This very hocus pocus has been leading us around by out insane faithful noses into all sorts of absurd actions with no regard for family of fellow man.People really are sick and tired of watching these David Copperfields (The powers that be) make the statue of liberty disappear right before their eyes. to wit: In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early Church bishops, particularly Irenaeus, most copies of it were likely destroyed. In 1945, 150 miles upstream near another river town called Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian farmer named Muhammad `Ali al-Samman was guiding his camel beneath the nitrogen-rich cliffs that line the Nile, collecting fertilizer for his fields. As he dug at the base of one cliff, Muhammad `Ali found a sealed jug, obviously ancient. Fearing a jinn but hoping for gold, he broke the jar open with his mattock. He found neither. What fell out were twelve books (codices), made from papyrus and bound in leather. Figuring the manuscripts might be worth something, Muhammad `Ali gathered them up in his turban and carried them home. According to New Testament scholar James M. Robinson, who has pieced this whole story together, Muhammad 'Ali's mother used some of the leaves from the books to ignite their out-door clay oven. Muhammad `Ali traded others for oranges and cigarettes. Meanwhile, shortly after the discovery, Muhammad `Ali and his brothers hacked to death a man
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
http://www.whale.to/a/outlaw.html Outlaw alternative (non-allopathic) medicine quotes Law ploy Quotes Related quotes: Cancer therapies FDA CDC Vaccine law Allopathy This writer knows of two local doctors who tried to buck the establishment and really help their patients. Both lost their license to practice medicine. One is currently working as an administrator in a California hospital and the other has started a nutritional clinic. GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE By Thomas Smith You may honestly feel grateful that homeopathy survived the attempts of the allopaths (orthodoxy) to destroy it. - Mark Twain (1835-1910). The authorities make laws the way they want to. We have to realize that all legality is man-made law..Their law says that a doctor speaking in public can only say what mainstream medicine recognizes.You don't hear this. People don't know this medical establishment rule. Doctors are not allowed to give alternative information to their patients.-An Interview With Guylaine Lanctot, M.D. By Kenneth Dee Burke When I was in the office of my friend, William, in Maryland, he told me that he had a guy from NSA [National Security Agency] come in and talk to him about his blood irradiation, and told him: 'I think that it would be wise for you to stop this.' Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in Maryland is an ex-Navy Seal. He's no pushover. So he says to the NSA guy: 'Well, why do you say that?' And the NSA guy said: 'You know how Royal Rife died? We put poison on his tooth-brush.' This guy was from NSA. So, that was a threat. Well, now, some people get scared, and some people get upset, angry. William is one of those guy who gets upset and angry, and it furthers him that much harder. So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital-and he will, I'm sure, very shortly, and it's going to be untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and we're going to kill-off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we're going to teach the medical doctors how to do it. We'll provide the machines for them. And we're going to end this tyranny. And we'll also educate them-no more vaccinations and immunizations. So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital-and he will, I'm sure, very shortly, and it's going to be untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and we're going to kill-off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we're going to teach the medical doctors how to do it. We'll provide the machines for them. And we're going to end this tyranny. And we'll also educate them-no more vaccinations and immunizations.The Black Pope: Interview of Eric Jon Phelps Over the last 80 years, organized medical groups and pharmaceutical companies, using lawyers, bribes, lobbyist, insurance companies and the strongarm of the Food and Drug Administration, have been very busy. They have corrupted elected officials to pass laws to remove any competition. They have crushed Natural Doctors, Natural Medicine and Self Care. Their goal is to monopolize health care and make us dependent on medical doctors and pharmaceutical drugs.--Dr Shulze ND MH In Utah the naturopathic physicians took Dr Christopher (one of Dr Shulze's teachers, along with Bernard Jensen) to court. They told him privately that he was curing people too fast and that he cost them business. He spent his life in and out of court and in and out of jail. He was handcuffed and taken away after one of his lectures for giving herbs to ease the suffering of a woman with terminal cancer. Usually the jury acquitted him against the judge’s instructions. Finally in 1969, he was not so lucky and was convicted and given a suspended sentence, because prescribing (suggesting herbs) without a license was a felony. He was stripped of his citizenship and forbidden to vote.Dr Shulze wanted to cure the incurables but had to live as an underground man as he could be arrested. He ran a secret clinic for 20 years, but then made the mistake of giving a public talk. Within weeks he was in jail, but escaped on a technicality. He then quit his secret practice to teach his methods of curing the incurable diseases.--- Sam Biser CBN's editorial opinion was that pharmaceutical companies and governments are conspiring together to take megavitamins away from the people, because megavitamins work so well against disease that people are not using pharmaceutical drugs.--Dr Saul Medicine in our country has been on a crusade over the last 100 years to wipe out every other form of medicine. One of the things they did that
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
What they won't do for mone...@$%^@#$%^#$%^ http://www.cancerindustrywatch.com/ Peace, Doc On Mar 30, 12:54 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I only got through part of this article Doc, but the process which the write is referring to is called, Chelation and there are many in the medical community, who I respect, that say this is crackpottery.I don't know if it is, or if it isn't, but I do understand why there is an American Medical Association, just as I do comprehend the need for an American Bar Association. I don't necessarily agree with all of the results, but the logic and reasoning for their existence is sound. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: http://www.whale.to/a/outlaw.html Outlaw alternative (non-allopathic) medicine quotes Law ploy Quotes Related quotes: Cancer therapies FDA CDC Vaccine law Allopathy This writer knows of two local doctors who tried to buck the establishment and really help their patients. Both lost their license to practice medicine. One is currently working as an administrator in a California hospital and the other has started a nutritional clinic. GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE By Thomas Smith You may honestly feel grateful that homeopathy survived the attempts of the allopaths (orthodoxy) to destroy it. - Mark Twain (1835-1910). The authorities make laws the way they want to. We have to realize that all legality is man-made law..Their law says that a doctor speaking in public can only say what mainstream medicine recognizes.You don't hear this. People don't know this medical establishment rule. Doctors are not allowed to give alternative information to their patients.-An Interview With Guylaine Lanctot, M.D. By Kenneth Dee Burke When I was in the office of my friend, William, in Maryland, he told me that he had a guy from NSA [National Security Agency] come in and talk to him about his blood irradiation, and told him: 'I think that it would be wise for you to stop this.' Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in Maryland is an ex-Navy Seal. He's no pushover. So he says to the NSA guy: 'Well, why do you say that?' And the NSA guy said: 'You know how Royal Rife died? We put poison on his tooth-brush.' This guy was from NSA. So, that was a threat. Well, now, some people get scared, and some people get upset, angry. William is one of those guy who gets upset and angry, and it furthers him that much harder. So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital-and he will, I'm sure, very shortly, and it's going to be untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and we're going to kill-off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we're going to teach the medical doctors how to do it. We'll provide the machines for them. And we're going to end this tyranny. And we'll also educate them-no more vaccinations and immunizations. So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital-and he will, I'm sure, very shortly, and it's going to be untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and we're going to kill-off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we're going to teach the medical doctors how to do it. We'll provide the machines for them. And we're going to end this tyranny. And we'll also educate them-no more vaccinations and immunizations.The Black Pope: Interview of Eric Jon Phelps Over the last 80 years, organized medical groups and pharmaceutical companies, using lawyers, bribes, lobbyist, insurance companies and the strongarm of the Food and Drug Administration, have been very busy. They have corrupted elected officials to pass laws to remove any competition. They have crushed Natural Doctors, Natural Medicine and Self Care. Their goal is to monopolize health care and make us dependent on medical doctors and pharmaceutical drugs.--Dr Shulze ND MH In Utah the naturopathic physicians took Dr Christopher (one of Dr Shulze's teachers, along with Bernard Jensen) to court. They told him privately that he was curing people too fast and that he cost them business. He spent his life in and out of court and in and out of jail. He was handcuffed and taken away after one of his lectures for giving herbs to ease the suffering of a woman with terminal cancer. Usually the jury acquitted him against the judge’s instructions. Finally in 1969, he was not so lucky and was convicted and given a suspended sentence
Re: GOOD!!!!!!!
http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/3/259 snip According to social cognitive theory, moral restraints against killing are disinhibited by psychological mechanisms that make the taking of life an acceptable or worthy act, e.g. by providing moral justifications for killing.8 Among individuals and populations with positive attitudes toward killing, moral justification may be the central issue. To measure the collective attitudes that can lead to high homicide rates within populations, population surveys should focus on the degree to which people accept or support moral justifications for killing. Such measures should include justification of killing for economic reasons and for revenge, as well as justification of state-sponsored execution of criminals. Since the pioneering work by Blumenthal et al. on how men in the USA justify violence,9 most studies of this topic have used single survey items to make comparisons between populations with higher or lower levels of violence.7,10 Although some preliminary work has been done in Colombia,11 instruments have not been developed for international comparative studies. In its 2002 World Report on Violence and Health, 12 the World Health Organization has called for improvements in international data collection capacities and more research on causes of violence at the societal level. This report describes findings from four studies in which multi-faceted attitudinal measures were used to assess justification of killing, and reports the correlation between attitudes and national homicide rates. end snip Now do you want to talk about how we ended up in Iraq? Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 12:55 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would consider it IF you should as broad a brush if you did do in all inconvenient cases. Many lychings years ago had no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist So by this standard, many of the KKK lynchings were not done by the KKK... The problem here of course is some of Ayers partners tell a convincing story that they (including ayers) were indeed guilty and planning killing... Second what does the principle do to explain innocent men fround guilty... If indictment, and conviction then terrorist On Mar 28, 3:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Let's get conservative here. no indictment, no conviction... no terrorist. On Mar 28, 2:25 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.michaelgraham.com/post/2009/03/28/We-Did-It!.aspx-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A message from a Palestinian Professor
Nail on the head rigs; and nails in coffins because of distortions. What men won't do to prove some demented point so they maintain power over others. Even our own so called Christian preachers would suggest they have some special razzle dazzle person and that his his flock looks up to him and or go through him to get the Christ. If all are created equal then what's he got to do with it? I wish Voltaire were alive today and had a podium from which to speak! Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 4:29 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: History is distorted. Many textbooks have sections razored out in Muslim countries and curiousity/truth seeking is not allowed. The Internet is a threat to repressive states and religions. And, it isn't only Muslim countries. On Mar 26, 4:20 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Since our first president wrote a public letter to the first synagogue and jewish community welcoming them and defending their individual rights, I think anti-semitism in America is not American but is imported On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: I would say we have LESS prejudice against Jews than most countries, including Europe... On Mar 25, 4:25 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there was/is anti-Semitism in America because Jewish immigrants were such a success. Everywhere and about everything! Then, the Christians had a bone to pick for centuries. My (former) Liberal friends are quite artful at smothering their anti-Semitism socially because they need Jews to defend them in Court, donate money to their causes and charities, teach them and their children, increase their wealth, so on an so forth. I wrote a younger man for several years and was sad when he gave up on the Palestinians but after a while I have given up on them also- unlike my (former) Liberal friends who consider them victims just like the Blacks in America. And Hillary has now decided we are the reason for drug cartels in Mexico. Amazing! On Mar 25, 2:49 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: to some of the thug on the American Left... We have had some of these posters on this forum... The Professor is right in that they are about promoting the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence.. And of course all who oppose them are called war-mongers that they see when they look into a mirror... http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/03/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-a. .. What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the “occupation” as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel. Many of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas officials I talk to in the context of my work as a journalist sound much more pragmatic than most of the anti-Israel, “pro-Palestinian” folks on the campuses. Over the past 15 years, much has been written and said about the fact that Palestinian school textbooks don’t promote peace and coexistence and that the Palestinian media often publishes anti-Israel material. While this may be true, there is no ignoring the fact that the anti- Israel campaign on U.S. campuses is not less dangerous. What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
On Mar 29, 6:41 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. That's what I love about you rigs! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Yes yes moolah. No that throws the mind for American Al Capone God Father mullah loop; don't it ;-) Money and or power, not much difference is there? The wisdom of King Solomon and Beelzebub in the same bag. Voltaire where are you? Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 6:41 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you mean moolah, Doc- I once wrote William Safire about the connections between moolah and mullahs. Unimpressed, he sent me a form letter of thanks.// One of my children set up my laptop and parts remain mysterious. I have a couple of books but I'm just not into reading them like a techie- I could turn to the Geek Squad, I guess.// Of course I don't mind if other posters view your links- I hope they do! I seem to be satisfied with slide shows- just saw one on Camille Paglia's article in Salon- carnival/Daniela Mercury= wonderful, full of energy. I also just like to read what you and others write. Words and wit remain a pleasure. I am too private for these video sites, internet dating and hook-ups, etc. I hope you don't mind the quirks of my personality. On Mar 28, 9:41 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Here's a thread from another forum that mightl give you some of my and others ideas. http://groups.google.com/group/abc_politics_forum/browse_thread/thread/a5d616d654f1eb55/ba9abb1a4282beca?hl=en#ba9abb1a4282beca Peace, Doc On Mar 29, 3:23 pm, martycarbone martycarb...@yahoo.com wrote: Please see / below for my response --- Marty Carbone = (mrc) On Mar 27, 3:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. /// Good idea -- please keep me informed -- (mrc) I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. / OK (mrc) Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., / Is Joe Fritz a relative of a Mike Fritz who works in Washington DC? I communicated with a Mike Fritz last Sunday (mrc) (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ /// Thanks for the plug. (mrc) = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off / Written off -- means, in plain English. TAKE THE LOSS. Any Accountant or bookkeeper knows that as well as they know their own name. The problem is that the investment part of the banks, being the simps they are and do not want to 'fess-up and take the loss. They are expecting a miracle -- and it looks like our government is getting ready to create a miracle for them -- by buying those bad assets at inflated prices. They are hoping nobody will notice that -- because that money comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers -- and how can they really complain? (mrc) of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. /// My comment may be a little beside the point -- but I question whether or not the FDIC has the right to issue such a mandate considering the enormous implications and unintended consequences such a mandate might have. I would think such a move would have to be passed by Congress or at least the President. We can't have the regulatory tail wagging the economic dog. (mrc) This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. I have a hard time seeing how this mandate is the crux of the problem. Please explain. I think you might be making a common mistake that has been rampant recently. You can't solve operational problems and losses by moving words and numbers around on the related books and records. This type of thinking is, I believe, what got us in trouble. The Investment bankers thought they could make money by manipulating words and numbers and thereby create wealth. That is, for the most part, impossible. Wealth simply can't be created by what is normally called investing. Virtually all investing simply moves money from one person to another -- it does not create wealth. If I buy a stock today for $100 and sell it next week for $200, I can legitimately say I made a profit of $100 -- but I did not create $100 or create wealth worth $100. All I did essentially was to make $100 that was lost by the person who sold me the stock. Stock trading is a zero-sum game. Although people have gotten wealthy by buying and selling stock -- it is a game for people who do not know how to create or produce wealth. Stock trading and most (perhaps all?) investing can't produce wealth. Most investing should be seen as what it is -- it is a gamble. And like most gambling the gains and losses are exactly equal -- they can't produce wealth -- except for the house or the bookie. In business, if a good businessman loses money -- he accepts the loss, records it as a loss and , hopefully learns a lesson that he swears not to repeat. The knave, the fool and the scoundrel, on the other hand, look for ways to manipulate the books so no-one
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Self sufficiency in America is an illusion. What happens when the funds dry up or become worthless? Most Americans don't know shit about dirt. Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 2:56 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: A family of four gets $606. a month in food stamps in my state- maybe for caviar, truffles, lobster and porterhouse steaks? We have attracted waves of those seeking generous welfare programs. Interesting for a state that originally attracted Scandinavian, German, Irish, Scotch and the religious Catholics, Protestants and Jews. All that hard work means nothing anymore to those that learn to sponge off the System. Even going to prison means 3 meals a day and a roof for some.// Self-sufficiency is a moveable feast. On Mar 27, 10:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I was speaking of the Chinese. They're going back to their farms, probably richer and still self sufficient. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:42 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: No. We have been sliced away from our agrarian past and can only hope to be frugal with dashes of Scotch blood. The Chinese who flooded factory towns will find their way back to their villages. We don't have many villages/family farms in America to retreat to. And- there is nothing easy or cheap about a private garden. I will simply eat less and grow thinner and willowy- it is said to be the best route to a very long life. On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well. On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi
Re: LEARNING ABOUT THINGS
[The] Bank of the United States... is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution... An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile? Thomas Jefferson http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1325.htm Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:49 am, contact prz...@yahoo.com wrote: This is a first attempt. I'm trying to find out how many people see this economic mess the way I do. What I mean is something like this: is it obvious to everyone else that by bailing out the banks we have given them our money to make it possible for them to foreclose on us? Because if they had been allowed to fail how could they foreclose on us? I got this idea from here: http://www.blueprismx.com/Shadows.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt
Re: MORPHEAL'S COMMENTARY - March 28 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, About Medals for Bravery, And About God
I don't know if anyone has ever coined this phrase but I use it as if it were my own; Humility Has No Bullhorn and American Idle and egomania enigma whether political or religious has the psyche of the world by its balls! The world is in the midst of psychosis excepting the few men who have the power and are the administrators of propaganda and or the few who know and don't have the power to change it. A state of False Consciousness being the fate of many others. Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:18 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: Morpheal’s Commentary - March 28th, 2009 - What Should G20 Do ?, Medals for Economic Bravery, AND About God WHAT SHOULD G20 DO ? G20 needs to come up with a “new deal” for the world’s future and all of humanity. They ought to: 1). Come to understand as a group of all that needs to be done in the world in infrastructure, energy, modernization, housing, transportation, environment, conservation, desert reclamation, agriculture, education, health, etc. Consider every nation’s immediate, neglected, and long term needs. We must recognize that this also requires concerted planning, measurement of progress, and some standards so that common goals can be agreed to, to set priorities where necessary. 2). Realize the world has people, raw natural resources, manufacturing potential, enabling doing what needs to be done. The list in item 1) is sufficient to provide work for many generations, not only for today’s population. All of those needs cannot be met in one generation. 3). The missing resource is piles of printed paper (money). 4). List the needs, plan the progress, and provide the money for a new deal for humanity. 5). Establish a funding mechanism that allows enterprises to remedy deficiencies, and make improvements, without severely impacting their bottom line survival. The fund should gain revenue from those who are able to contribute, according to their ability to contribute, and disperse it to those who are in need, according to the merits of their need. For instance where a factory lacks stack scrubbers to remedy air pollution, but cannot afford to remain in business and remedy the defect, the fund would provide the stack scrubbers to maintain that company’s competitive position in relation to its competitors. This will end the fact that the current system only rewards those who avoid doing what is right, because their bottom line remains unimpacted by the costs of doing what is right for the future. We cannot, of course, allow enterprises that are lagging in this regard to be driven out of business, if they make products of value to society and if they maintain reasonable conditions of competition within the market. They must be helped up to an even footing with others, not simply crushed and eliminated by oppressive regulations and rising costs related to the imposing of that hardship. This will answer many currently unanswerable environmental issues in a much faster way, with less damage to society, than any other potential method of handling the problem. This is to be considered a form of legitimate subsidy unlike subsidies which only tend to prop up margins, reducing prices, below what they would have been based on cost accounting models that avoid the type of capital investment that we are discussing. This also permits improvements in working conditions and maintaining of competitive livelihoods where that can become seriously compromised due to lack of any such system. The greater good of society is better served by the increased stability and job security that that type of consideration can offer. It is a fact that were capital pressures increase significantly the workers always tend to lose out, as a corporate entity attempts to cut back to attempt hard pressed survival. 6). Recognize the need for a “value economics” rather than the currently prevalent paradigm of cost / margin based economics. Many of the costs of our economic activities are really not factored into the equation of cost and margin. There are other costs, not calculable in that immediacy, and not calculated into the accounting picture. An example is the effect on the environment, and the costs of subsequent remediation, if remediation is possible. Similarly the value of reclaiming African or Chinese desert land is larger than any currently calculable gain in agricultural productivity from that land, and particularly in relation to the costs of that productivity. So desert reclamation tends to lose out in a strictly cost / margin equation, but in a value economics equation the reclamation of desert gains significant priority. Many projects suffer a similar accounting of cost and margin barrier. There is no calculable profit in the existing system for determining worth and so the project does not get done when in fact a system of real values would immediately place that project high on the list of desirable
Re: Amazing - check out this line at Tyson's Corners for a book signing - and the book is conservative
Get real.. http://www.mises.org/store/Left-The-Right-and-The-State-The-P550.aspx?=21 Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 2:18 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/74974/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Give up some of that mullah and buy you a good one rigs. It's informative. Hey and BTW other people can watch too ;-) I don't mind; do you? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Doc- my computer starts choking on videos. Quit sending me youtubes. :-) Peace to you. On Mar 28, 8:53 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: rigs; takes me back to Soylent Green. What a damned mess we've made of mother earth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 8:45 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. Because it is a non-renewable resource. Even the space station gave up on recycled urine, I think, though it's used to irrigate Palestinian agriculture- what's left of it. And night soil probably fertilizes much of the produce we import. On Mar 28, 2:00 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Water? Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's the new fashion- no smoking or drinking- guess I'm old- fashioned. Whereas, I haven't done drugs and very few rx in my lifetime. Maybe it all evens out in the end. :-) There's a story on bbcnews.com that hot tea causes cancer! What's next? On Mar 28, 7:29 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't know rigs; There have been time when a lobotomy sounded like a healthy alternative but I chose BEER instead hehehehehheheh BTW I quit smoking in 99 (for the third and final time) and don't mess with John Barleycorn anymore least I do the bastard takes me hostage every time ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VlcbndXdMfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 3:46 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing about you is failed. It does remind me of my mother and her medical/surgical merry go round, or F. or D. or J. The mind is the ultimate beauty of being alive. On Mar 27, 9:36 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net
Re: The cost of green jobs - the actual experience of Spain
I remember seeing this before but not in regard and or contrast to our current situation. This one gets 5 stars + Thanks! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 10:47 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: * * Gear http://www.cafepress.com/hotairshop * About http://hotair.com/about/ The mirage of green jobs posted at 2:54 pm on March 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey Send to a Friend http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/wp-recommend/recommend.popup.php?url=... | Share on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://hotair.com/archives/2009/0... | printer-friendly http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/27/the-mirage-of-green-jobs/?print=1 Barack Obama promised that his cap-and-trade energy policies would fund an explosion of green jobs as government pushes for mass-production-capable alternative energy sources. Spain used to think the same thing, but Bloomberg reports that the explosion turned into an implosion http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=a2PHwqAs7BS0 (via Barcepundit http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-black-are-my-gree...): Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain's experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide. For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid. U.S. President Barack Obama's 2010 budget proposal contains about $20 billion in tax incentives for clean-energy programs. In Spain, where wind turbines provided 11 percent of power demand last year, generators earn rates as much as 11 times more for renewable energy compared with burning fossil fuels. Spain wound up paying $775,000 for every green job they created through subsidies since 2000. That's almost $100,000 per year per job, and that cost only includes the /created/ jobs. The cost of the 2.2 jobs lost would hike that cost considerably, as well as the lost tax revenues, the increased government assistance, and the opportunity costs for pulling capital out of the markets. Why did the jobs disappear? In part because of the higher capital confiscation of the government, and in part because the green policies pushed industry out of Spain. Actually, the study didn't count jobs lost through industrial relocation, which in this case amounts to capital flight. The largest stainless-steel producer in Spain directly linked its decision to move operations to South America to the higher energy costs imposed by the government. In the US, we could see a massive flight, and not just in manufacturing. High-tech industries that rely on cheap energy could be forced to find less expensive environments. Bloomberg's economist notes that Microsoft and Google have already relocated their servers once to get cheaper energy. The Internet is flexible enough to allow employers to go almost anywhere in the world to host their servers, and in this economy, there will be plenty of competition for them. Before we buy into the green jobs argument, we'd better make sure existing jobs don't disappear into a wormhole at a faster rate. *Update*: I forgot to hat-tip Barcepundit. My apologies --- I thought I had included his link originally. Be sure to visit his site for his thoughts. Buzz up!/11/ votes http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/pub/http%253A%252F%252Fhotair.com%252Fa... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Band Played On - outstanding story
This one not the other post; sorry I remember seeing this before but not in regard and or contrast to our current situation. This one gets 5 stars + Thanks! Peace, Doc On Mar 28, 10:34 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: March 25th, 2009 11:38 am TONE DEAF http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2009/03/25/tone-deaf/ Support Pajamas Media; Visit Our Advertisers One of the reasons I often come late to a story is because I enjoy watching them spin and evolve: it's like a pachinko ball bouncing back and forth on the way down to bell-curve oblivion. And so with the AIG story. First outrage, then outrage over the outrage, then the actual facts start to roll in: bonuses contractually obligated, which would not have been paid if the company had been allowed to fail, and so on. We get to watch the very politicians that wrote the bill running around with their hair on fire, outraged about the bill. So they got the bonuses, which were then going to be custom-taxed, which were then returned, and tomorrow? Who knows? Off we go! But despite the fact that the ginned-up outraged is a smoke screen hiding the real large-scale larceny, the fact remains that failed corporations paying bonuses or buying executive jets on taxpayer money is indeed something to be furious about. When Lee Iacocca asked for federal help with the situation he was hired to fix at Chrysler, he took a dollar a year salary until the loans were repaid; which they were, and seven years early, at that. The performance of Tylenol after their horrible poisoning scare, and Southwest Airlines after 9/11 also leap to mind as examples of outstanding corporate leadership, as do the thousands and thousands of sound judgments carried out each day by small businesses, based on nothing but common sense, integrity, character and a dedication to their customers. Not much of that is on display these days. In fact, the attitude of some of these big corporations, with their hat out in one hand as they write enormous checks for luxuries with the other, is so out of touch with the mood of the country, so absolutely and utterly TONE DEAF that I was trying to think of the last thing I read along these lines that was this damned outrageous. And then I remembered it, and I want to share it with you since it's such a great story. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/wallace_hartley... This man is someone you, and everyone else in the world, should know. His name is Wallace Hartley. Wallace Hartley was not a great general or a politician. Wallace Hartley was a musician. A young Englishman from Lancashire, he was 33 years old when he took -- with misgivings -- a job as bandleader on the most remarkable ocean liner of his day. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/titanic.jpg Just after midnight on the morning of April 15^th , 1912, Wallace Hartley and the rest of his orchestra awoke to discover that their ocean liner had struck an iceberg and was sinking into the ice-cold North Atlantic. Hartley gathered his musicians, and in the space of a few minutes, these men made a decision. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/brailey_wtr_thm... http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/bricoux_0_thm1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/clarke_jfp.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/jlhume1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/krins3_thm1.jpg http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/taylorpc.jpg These are names you should know as well: alphabetically, they were Theodore Brailey, Roger Bricoux, John Clarke, Jock Hume, Georges Krins, Percy Taylor and John Woodward, of whom no photograph survives. These eight men, decided, as a group, to return to their cabins, retrieve their instruments, and then emerge to the deck of the sinking /Titanic/ in order to play lively tunes to calm the terrified passengers and keep up the spirits of those facing their imminent death in the freezing water. http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/03/titanic_stern.jpg It was widely reported that their final song was the haunting hymn, /Nearer My God to Thee/. It certainly makes a great story. But the fact is, the musicians wanted to keep people's spirits up, and /Nearer my God to Thee/ is almost a dirge. Historians -- after much argument -- have concluded that the most likely tune they played as the ship slid away beneath them was /Songe d'Automne/, sometimes simply know as /Autumn./ I'll ask you to put yourself now in their place: eight very young men, ranging in age from Wallace Hartley, 33, to Roger Bricoux, who was only twenty. Lifeboats are being lowered, many of them unfilled. You are not a ship's officer. As a matter of fact, technically speaking you are not even on the ship's payroll. All had been forced to take a pay cut, from six pounds
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Om, I'll be glad when you step out of that box they (whoever put you in it) stuck you in as a child. There's shit in it! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals, and anyone else not beholden. How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate, the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi, too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police shakedown. While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead- end road.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals, and anyone else not beholden. How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate, the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi, too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police shakedown. While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead- end road.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
Glad you can blow you loud humble fucking horn so fucking loud that you managed to be reared in an environment that taught you such. All children should have been raised to be endowed with such character! Just how in hell did you get this way? Were you raised in the city slums and or did you choose your own parents and play grounds to play in at birth? You be da man I would say! Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bruce One, I have never had a master. I have never worked for anyone. I have been given assignments... how to carry them out and how long they took was always entirely my choice. B. There is no food shortage where I live nor is one possible. It, unlike money (your Master), does grow on trees, bushes and various plants, It is also walking all over the place. This all takes place 12 months a year. Food is always in season here. 3. Did I mention it is all fresh no need for a processing plant. I certainly hope that your concerns for my safety and health have been answered. I do appreciate it. On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving and in a food riot during the hyper-inflation anyway you don't sound smart enough to survive On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: Sure. Go for it, if you think your 5% of the population can take the other 95% of us. Of course, you're probably not in the top 5% anyway, unless you married well. -- *From:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:38 AM *To:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works so then there is no reason for we productive people to just have you shot then since you have announced your intentions to rape, mug, and rob very good then your name is on the list for the revolution do you currently live off your mommie? is she conscious btw? do you just cash her disability checks for her? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: I have no sympathy for the very wealthy and could care less if they're being asked to ante up more money. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works I don't know if you read the part of my post about my uncle, but the ironic thing is that his life was built upon the back of working class people, namely my grandparents. My grandpa retired from schilling spice company in the werehouse department. My grandma owned a beauty salon for 30 some years. My uncle took advantage of this stable working class familly environement to become the success story he is. But now he patronizes my mothers side of the familly, my mother was the black sheep so to speak. We have Christmas dinner with them every year and play act like we like each other. But the atmosphere is so phoney it makes me want to puke sometimes. This is probably a big reason why I have little patience for the very wealthy. I'm every bit as intelligent as my two cousins, but they got the private school educations, bought and paid for by daddy, while I funded my own city college education which I would have finished had I not discovered the stock market. I've been a cl ose observer of both sides of the tracks in my
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
Hey and BTW lets send more Brad Pit fucking American Idol relief to Africa instead of tractors and education. Is that not what's good for the American agribusiness or what? Isn't dependence a wonderful solution? Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bruce One, I have never had a master. I have never worked for anyone. I have been given assignments... how to carry them out and how long they took was always entirely my choice. B. There is no food shortage where I live nor is one possible. It, unlike money (your Master), does grow on trees, bushes and various plants, It is also walking all over the place. This all takes place 12 months a year. Food is always in season here. 3. Did I mention it is all fresh no need for a processing plant. I certainly hope that your concerns for my safety and health have been answered. I do appreciate it. On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving and in a food riot during the hyper-inflation anyway you don't sound smart enough to survive On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: Sure. Go for it, if you think your 5% of the population can take the other 95% of us. Of course, you're probably not in the top 5% anyway, unless you married well. -- *From:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:38 AM *To:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works so then there is no reason for we productive people to just have you shot then since you have announced your intentions to rape, mug, and rob very good then your name is on the list for the revolution do you currently live off your mommie? is she conscious btw? do you just cash her disability checks for her? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: I have no sympathy for the very wealthy and could care less if they're being asked to ante up more money. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works I don't know if you read the part of my post about my uncle, but the ironic thing is that his life was built upon the back of working class people, namely my grandparents. My grandpa retired from schilling spice company in the werehouse department. My grandma owned a beauty salon for 30 some years. My uncle took advantage of this stable working class familly environement to become the success story he is. But now he patronizes my mothers side of the familly, my mother was the black sheep so to speak. We have Christmas dinner with them every year and play act like we like each other. But the atmosphere is so phoney it makes me want to puke sometimes. This is probably a big reason why I have little patience for the very wealthy. I'm every bit as intelligent as my two cousins, but they got the private school educations, bought and paid for by daddy, while I funded my own city college education which I would have finished had I not discovered the stock market. I've been a cl ose observer of both sides of the tracks in my time, and I feel I have a unique perspective. --- In thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com, Ray
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals, and anyone else not beholden. How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate, the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi, too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police shakedown. While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead- end road.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
and obstacles come up ove the course of years. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth!! My parents were divorced and in essence, I came from a lower socio-economic middle class background. I live in surburbia; but rest assured, if it got so bad that there were food riots or food shortages, I can and will survive. My 1/3rd acre lot here in Tampa is filled with fruit trees, figs, tomatoes, beans, and a host of other vegetables, and I am less than a quarter mile from Tampa Bay, which I grew up on, (I know the Bay well, and all of the fishing 'Honey Holes) As Hank Junior wrote years ago, We can skin a deer, and run a trout line.A country boy can survive; and I ain't country!! My point being, is that Americans are survivors, and I damn sure don't need a humongous federal government to protect me or to provide for me! It used to be that all Americans had this same mindset, and I blame our government for taking away this mentality!! On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hey and BTW lets send more Brad Pit fucking American Idol relief to Africa instead of tractors and education. Is that not what's good for the American agribusiness or what? Isn't dependence a wonderful solution? Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bruce One, I have never had a master. I have never worked for anyone. I have been given assignments... how to carry them out and how long they took was always entirely my choice. B. There is no food shortage where I live nor is one possible. It, unlike money (your Master), does grow on trees, bushes and various plants, It is also walking all over the place. This all takes place 12 months a year. Food is always in season here. 3. Did I mention it is all fresh no need for a processing plant. I certainly hope that your concerns for my safety and health have been answered. I do appreciate it. On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving and in a food riot during the hyper-inflation anyway you don't sound smart enough to survive On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: Sure. Go for it, if you think your 5% of the population can take the other 95% of us. Of course, you're probably not in the top 5% anyway, unless you married well. -- *From:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:38 AM *To:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works so then there is no reason for we productive people to just have you shot then since you have announced your intentions to rape, mug, and rob very good then your name is on the list for the revolution do you currently live off your mommie? is she conscious btw? do you just cash her disability checks for her? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: I have no sympathy for the very wealthy and could care less if they're being asked to ante up more money. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com ThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com ThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works I don't know if you read the part of my post about my uncle, but the ironic
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted sitting on death row - the precipitous rise of the Nancy Graces. Or little Johnny forced into a dangerous school. And the tax on productivity, the regulations meant to bankrupt business, individuals, and anyone else not beholden. How 'bout importing terrorists by the boat load. And the illiterate, the less militant non-assimilaters. Nervous? Well don't take up cigarettes, they're nearing 10-dollars a pack. My neighbor Sam has taken up tobacco farming. On the other side, Mrs. Rose is planting squash. And potatoes. And Sunday she's going fishing - taking a taxi, too, she doesn't want to get caught in another roadside, police shakedown. While the young are all a Twitter. Tweeting their way down the dead- end
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
O would I like to take you to the river! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25E0ACkA6uofeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:16 am, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm showing up for the fishing... On Mar 27, 8:13 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: We'd love to have you down, and Treasure Island, as well as Maderia, St. Pete Beach, and Indian Rocks are some of the best beaches in the world!! Let me know when you are coming, and I will take you to some of the best seafood restaurants here in Florida, places we don't tell the tourists about, and are dives, (but many of us love the ambiance of a dive!!!) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be in your neck of the woods this June, Keith. Mixing a little business with pleasure. There is a hospital in Largo I'm interested in doing a residency with. We'll be staying on St. Pete Beach. On Mar 27, 9:37 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Doc, Either you or I are missing the point here, and I am not sure which one of us it is Americans have always been an independent lot, which is something that our federal government is, and for years has been attempting to do away with. I am an American, and I am a survivor! During most all of my adult life and professional career, I have never had a job where I worked for someone, I have always been able to go out and create something, and make something on my own. I have always provided a good living for my family and I, and just as every other American, I have had a lot of roadblocks and obstacles come up ove the course of years. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth!! My parents were divorced and in essence, I came from a lower socio-economic middle class background. I live in surburbia; but rest assured, if it got so bad that there were food riots or food shortages, I can and will survive. My 1/3rd acre lot here in Tampa is filled with fruit trees, figs, tomatoes, beans, and a host of other vegetables, and I am less than a quarter mile from Tampa Bay, which I grew up on, (I know the Bay well, and all of the fishing 'Honey Holes) As Hank Junior wrote years ago, We can skin a deer, and run a trout line.A country boy can survive; and I ain't country!! My point being, is that Americans are survivors, and I damn sure don't need a humongous federal government to protect me or to provide for me! It used to be that all Americans had this same mindset, and I blame our government for taking away this mentality!! On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hey and BTW lets send more Brad Pit fucking American Idol relief to Africa instead of tractors and education. Is that not what's good for the American agribusiness or what? Isn't dependence a wonderful solution? Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bruce One, I have never had a master. I have never worked for anyone. I have been given assignments... how to carry them out and how long they took was always entirely my choice. B. There is no food shortage where I live nor is one possible. It, unlike money (your Master), does grow on trees, bushes and various plants, It is also walking all over the place. This all takes place 12 months a year. Food is always in season here. 3. Did I mention it is all fresh no need for a processing plant. I certainly hope that your concerns for my safety and health have been answered. I do appreciate it. On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
Had a laminectomy lower lumber in 1997. Bad move on my part. Led to more surgery via destabilization and complications failed back.Got me off the workaholic merry go round the hard way Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:29 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: actually, studying for exams in OPP and GI next week. Didn't listen to the youtube. Sorry. I'll listen to it later. Have to dash to a scrub/ lumbar puncture lab. Perhaps I'll check back and comment in full over the weekend. As for the premise you're either with us or against us, I've always believed the world contains more gray than black or white. On Mar 27, 10:18 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm not talking about the party here. My talking point is You are either with us or with the terrorists mentality. What is liberty? Did you listen all the way through?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:54 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I am familiar with the quote. Voting Libertarian was not an option IMHO in the last election. There was no viable option. In order for a serious third party movement to arise, a platform and a viable candidate needs to materialize. I can contribute little in either area until I am finished with my medical education and residencies. On Mar 27, 9:30 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1fxcq5kpcfeature=related They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. Benjamin Franklin Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 8:14 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'm all for a viable moderate independent party. That may be the best thing to come out of this current messAmericans may just get sick enough of the partisan BS shoveled out by the two main parties. In the last election, Obama was the only viable option for me.and I still think he was a wiser choice than McCain. Only time will tell. If a viable candidate/party arises from the ashes, and embraces common sense over partisanship, I will stand with them. On Mar 27, 9:06 am, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Vote independent. Do the MSM propaganda machine a disservice and do The Other Thing! Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:28 am, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: It takes two to tango. While Congress does, indeed, pass the budget and disperse the funds, the POTUS does have considerable inputparticularly this POTUS. I am not thrilled with the budget.at all..and I voted for Obama. But I did so with my eyes wide open (I'm not a sheep). If I end up regretting my vote, it will be different in 4 years. On Mar 27, 7:00 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the koolaid drinking libs do show their ignorance, again. first it is congress, not the president, who spends the money. President Bush could no have spent one penny without the congress approval. the dem congress. and it was the dems who not only forced the banks into giving loans to unqualified people, but then denied for years things were spiraling out of control. it is a marxist dem and his fools in congress who has created more debt in this country than all other presidents in history combined. no you little lib fools, this whole crisis fall right in the dems lap, like it or not. On Mar 27, 5:24 am, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: There is very little left to construct in the hands of robber Liberals and ignorant citizens who vote for a fraud. On Mar 27, 3:48 am, coatesmoe coates...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Bush we (the World) is in a depressing situation. Obama is the only one who is expected to us out of this shi*. All others are sitting and at best complaining about the situation and not willing to be constructive. On Mar 27, 7:04 am, d.b.baker rth...@yahoo.com wrote: Obama is simply the icing on the Marxist cake. The takeover has been underway for decades. It's the little things, like Chicago charging 16 quarters for an hour of parking. Or that new red-light camera around the corner, you know, the one where the yellow changes in 1.5 seconds. Neat, huh. Or forcing corn oil into your gas tank, blowing the head gasket. Little things, like Eminent Domain, so the local apparatchik can seize you property. I'm afraid to even mention all the wrongfully convicted
Re: America Is Falling Apart
Maybe before they can't get to the stadiums (because the roads and bridges are impassable) to watch the SHOW they'll figure it out. I guess the real sports fanatics will just watch from their recliners while Rome burns. Oh shit they're already done that; haven't they? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:41 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Infrastructure shows that government should be abolished. It is a prime example of government failure During the past decades local governments had huge influxes of revenue from property and income taxes In DC, a city that has only had Dewmit mayors and city councils, we have a new convention center and sports stadium, but government water authority pipes are all lead and recent studies show DC children have permanent brain damage. We have many public schools with only one working restroom and asbestos throughout, though teachers and non-teaching bureaucrats have the highest salaries in the country. It is a clear example of the failure of government and of central planning and of the absence of consumer choice and the profit motive. They built baseball stadiums and convention centers, raised their salaries and expanded their bureaucracies, but did not spend money on basic maintenance of bridges and roads, leading to many deaths A private bridge or road owner would take better care of their assets. They would have to to get customers, loans, or insurance On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:45 AM, madtim3bat no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: America's infrastructure is falling apart. The Republicans demands that we cut infrastructure is just insane. We are turning into a third world nation, and Republicans are complaining that we are not doing it fast enough. We need stimulus, and we have collapsing infrastructure... Am I the only one who sees an opportunity in these twin disasters? = US Infrastructure Is Deplored Engineers' appraisal fuels Senate hunt for more funding Published on Thursday, March 26, 2009 by Jon Schmitz http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09085/958457-147.stm The nation has gone backward in the last four years from an already sorry performance in maintaining vital infrastructure, a national engineers group reported yesterday. America's infrastructure rates a cumulative grade of D, the American Society of Civil Engineers said, citing delayed maintenance and chronic underfunding of roads, bridges, transit, dams, aviation and other infrastructure. The organization issued its comprehensive 2009 Report Card for America's Infrastructure yesterday as a U.S. Senate committee wrestled with ways to come up with more funding, including Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell's proposal for a federal capital budget funded by borrowing. The organization said surface transportation and aviation systems have declined since its last report card in 2005, with aviation and public transit falling from D+ to D and roads from D to D-. Americans spend 4.2 billion hours a year stuck in traffic at a cost to the economy of $78.2 billion, or $710 per motorist, the report said. Poor conditions cost motorists $67 billion a year in repairs and operating costs. The group estimated that $2.2 trillion must be spent in the next five years to restore the nation's infrastructure to good condition. Current spending amounts to only about half of the needed investment, it said. The organization's president, D. Wayne Klotz, said spending more money on infrastructure is important, but the solution will involve more than just money. It will take sound technology, wise community planning and involved citizens willing to partner with the government and private sector to make real change. The report was cited frequently at a hearing yesterday in Washington, D.C., of the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee attended by Mr. Rendell and U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. While the parties generally agreed on the need for increased infrastructure spending, they disagreed on how to raise the money. Mr. Rendell said current federal funding levels won't allow states to tackle big new transportation projects. It's impossible to do anything but fixing, repairing, maintaining, he said. He said the federal governments should, like state and local governments, adopt a capital budget with borrowing that spreads the cost of projects over 20 or 30 years instead of all up front. He called for creation of a national infrastructure bank that could leverage private investment and would choose projects for funding based on merit, rather than the politics-driven earmarking process now in place. I think the American people will support common-sense infrastructure investment, Mr. Rendell said. He said he supports an increase in the federal gasoline tax, which hasn't been raised since 1993, but said that was
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
Oh Yea; I've got to reinvest in some CDs. It's been a while. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: They still jam!!! On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: O would I like to take you to the river! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25E0ACkA6uofeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 9:16 am, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm showing up for the fishing... On Mar 27, 8:13 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: We'd love to have you down, and Treasure Island, as well as Maderia, St. Pete Beach, and Indian Rocks are some of the best beaches in the world!! Let me know when you are coming, and I will take you to some of the best seafood restaurants here in Florida, places we don't tell the tourists about, and are dives, (but many of us love the ambiance of a dive!!!) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, OMS-II almost.o...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be in your neck of the woods this June, Keith. Mixing a little business with pleasure. There is a hospital in Largo I'm interested in doing a residency with. We'll be staying on St. Pete Beach. On Mar 27, 9:37 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Doc, Either you or I are missing the point here, and I am not sure which one of us it is Americans have always been an independent lot, which is something that our federal government is, and for years has been attempting to do away with. I am an American, and I am a survivor! During most all of my adult life and professional career, I have never had a job where I worked for someone, I have always been able to go out and create something, and make something on my own. I have always provided a good living for my family and I, and just as every other American, I have had a lot of roadblocks and obstacles come up ove the course of years. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth!! My parents were divorced and in essence, I came from a lower socio-economic middle class background. I live in surburbia; but rest assured, if it got so bad that there were food riots or food shortages, I can and will survive. My 1/3rd acre lot here in Tampa is filled with fruit trees, figs, tomatoes, beans, and a host of other vegetables, and I am less than a quarter mile from Tampa Bay, which I grew up on, (I know the Bay well, and all of the fishing 'Honey Holes) As Hank Junior wrote years ago, We can skin a deer, and run a trout line.A country boy can survive; and I ain't country!! My point being, is that Americans are survivors, and I damn sure don't need a humongous federal government to protect me or to provide for me! It used to be that all Americans had this same mindset, and I blame our government for taking away this mentality!! On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hey and BTW lets send more Brad Pit fucking American Idol relief to Africa instead of tractors and education. Is that not what's good for the American agribusiness or what? Isn't dependence a wonderful solution? Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:55 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bruce One, I have never had a master. I have never worked for anyone. I have been given assignments... how to carry them out and how long they took was always entirely my choice. B. There is no food shortage where I live nor is one possible. It, unlike money (your Master), does grow on trees, bushes and various plants, It is also walking all over the place. This all takes place 12 months a year. Food is always in season here. 3. Did I mention it is all fresh no need for a processing plant. I certainly hope that your concerns for my safety and health have been answered. I do appreciate it. On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary
Re: America's Top Hospitals...Not One Is For-Profit, Corporate Run
The list was compiled by the nonprofit Consumers Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 2:10 pm, CaliforniaLuis rivcu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/aarp-lists-top-ranked-us-ho... Heart, General * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Children's Hospital Boston, Boston, Mass. * New York-Presbyterian/Columbia, New York, N.Y. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, Calif. * Texas Heart Institute at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston, Tex. Cancer, General * The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Tex. * Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, N.Y. * Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Mass. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * City of Hope, Duarte, Calif. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo, N.Y. Mystery Diagnoses * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Neurosurgery * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * University of California San Francisco Medical Center, San Francisco, Calif. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Eyes * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute, University of Miami, Miami, Fla. * Wills Eye Institute, Philadelphia, Pa. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. * Wilmer Eye Institute, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buying-us-real-estate-now/ Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home. When I say real value, I am talking about what the property's actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be appraised at. This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the financial imbalances in our Nation, and the recession/depression. First, let's look at the numbers. Assuming that there are 5,000,000 immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, if we took just 10 percent of those five million, to bump them up in line, providing that they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, (and believe me, there are literally millions of folks clamoring to get into the United States that have the ability to do this!!) then that would be 50 thousand individuals. Assuming that these 50 thousand individuals were to purchase a home for two hundred thousand dollars, that is one hundred billion dollars pumped into our economy IMMEDIATELY!! More importantly, what would happen, is that these toxic assets, which have been written off, and are on the books as a loss, now become a valid, legitimate asset. This frees up the credit crunch, literally overnight! Besides the fact that it pumps into the American economy over 100 billion dollars annually, (and probably considerably more than that, because the 200 thousand dollar amount is a lowball figure) these assets can now be utilized by banks as assets to collateralize and to make loans upon. What am I missing here? Thoughts, ideas, suggestions? I really do think the Republican Party needs to run with this idea. The only downfall I see, is that those on the far left; e.g.; those that are, More tolerant, kinder, gentler, and more enlightened, (in other words, Far left extremists!!) could possibly be opposed, because we are going to bump up in line, immigrants who have expendable income, versus the poor, downtrodden, and dependent types, that the Democrat Party wants to allow to immigrate, who would immediately be clamoring for government handouts. Again, I sincerely welcome input here!! Thanks, Keith Let's assume for a moment, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest
Re: America's Top Hospitals...Not One Is For-Profit, Corporate Run
Just to open the dialogue, here's an interesting article on foundations which of course fall under the non-profit category http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_438.shtml Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:51 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you mean, doc? When I was 31 I got a terrible diagnosis from one team of doctors/hospital and I called D. who insisted I go down to Mayo who had an utterly different solution- which worked. And I paid my bills off- including those for the children by working out agreements with the providers. Now, with great insurance coverage, I avoid doctors. My suspicions are born from my father who was a personal injury attorney and had little respect for them. D. agreed with my jab that he was just a body plumber. I am convinced a friend over-doctored himself into paralysis when he retired.There really isn't a national rating system on professions- which there should be. On Mar 27, 5:02 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The list was compiled by the nonprofit Consumers Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 2:10 pm, CaliforniaLuis rivcu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/aarp-lists-top-ranked-us-ho... Heart, General * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Children's Hospital Boston, Boston, Mass. * New York-Presbyterian/Columbia, New York, N.Y. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, Calif. * Texas Heart Institute at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston, Tex. Cancer, General * The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Tex. * Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, N.Y. * Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Mass. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * City of Hope, Duarte, Calif. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo, N.Y. Mystery Diagnoses * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Neurosurgery * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * University of California San Francisco Medical Center, San Francisco, Calif. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Eyes * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute, University of Miami, Miami, Fla. * Wills Eye Institute, Philadelphia, Pa. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. * Wilmer Eye Institute, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home. When I say real value, I am talking about what the property's actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be appraised at. This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the financial imbalances in our Nation, and the recession/depression. First, let's look at the numbers. Assuming that there are 5,000,000 immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, if we took just 10 percent of those five million, to bump them up in line, providing that they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, (and believe me, there are literally millions of folks clamoring to get into the United States that have the ability to do this!!) then that would be 50 thousand individuals. Assuming that these 50 thousand individuals were to purchase a home for two hundred thousand dollars, that is one hundred billion dollars pumped into our economy IMMEDIATELY!! More importantly, what would happen, is that these toxic assets, which have been written off, and are on the books as a loss, now become a valid, legitimate asset. This frees up the credit crunch, literally overnight! Besides the fact that it pumps into the American economy over 100 billion dollars annually, (and probably considerably more than that, because the 200 thousand dollar amount is a lowball figure) these assets can now be utilized by banks as assets to collateralize and to make loans upon. What am I missing here? Thoughts, ideas, suggestions? I really do think the Republican Party needs to run with this idea. The only downfall I see, is that those on the far left; e.g.; those that are, More tolerant, kinder, gentler, and more enlightened, (in other words, Far left extremists!!) could possibly be opposed, because we are going to bump up in line, immigrants who have expendable income, versus the poor, downtrodden, and dependent types, that the Democrat Party wants to allow to immigrate, who would immediately be clamoring for government handouts. Again
Re: America's Top Hospitals...Not One Is For-Profit, Corporate Run
And this is the icing rigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94 Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:17 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't give foundations/think tanks much credence. It's terrible what greed inflicts upon honesty and ideas. On Mar 27, 6:07 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Just to open the dialogue, here's an interesting article on foundations which of course fall under the non-profit category http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_438.shtml Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:51 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you mean, doc? When I was 31 I got a terrible diagnosis from one team of doctors/hospital and I called D. who insisted I go down to Mayo who had an utterly different solution- which worked. And I paid my bills off- including those for the children by working out agreements with the providers. Now, with great insurance coverage, I avoid doctors. My suspicions are born from my father who was a personal injury attorney and had little respect for them. D. agreed with my jab that he was just a body plumber. I am convinced a friend over-doctored himself into paralysis when he retired.There really isn't a national rating system on professions- which there should be. On Mar 27, 5:02 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The list was compiled by the nonprofit Consumers Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 2:10 pm, CaliforniaLuis rivcu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/aarp-lists-top-ranked-us-ho... Heart, General * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Children's Hospital Boston, Boston, Mass. * New York-Presbyterian/Columbia, New York, N.Y. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, Calif. * Texas Heart Institute at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston, Tex. Cancer, General * The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Tex. * Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, N.Y. * Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Mass. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * City of Hope, Duarte, Calif. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo, N.Y. Mystery Diagnoses * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Neurosurgery * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * University of California San Francisco Medical Center, San Francisco, Calif. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Eyes * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute, University of Miami, Miami, Fla. * Wills Eye Institute, Philadelphia, Pa. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. * Wilmer Eye Institute, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well. On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home. When I say real value, I am talking about what the property's actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be appraised at. This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the financial imbalances in our Nation, and the recession/depression. First, let's look at the numbers. Assuming that there are 5,000,000 immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, if we took just 10 percent of those five million, to bump them up in line, providing that they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, (and believe me, there are literally millions of folks clamoring to get into the United States that have the ability to do this!!) then that would be 50 thousand individuals. Assuming that these 50 thousand individuals were to purchase a home for two hundred thousand dollars, that is one hundred billion dollars pumped into our economy IMMEDIATELY!! More importantly, what would happen, is that these toxic assets, which have been written off, and are on the books as a loss, now become a valid, legitimate asset. This frees up the credit crunch, literally overnight! Besides the fact that it pumps into the American economy over 100 billion dollars annually, (and probably considerably more than that, because the 200 thousand dollar amount is a lowball figure) these assets can now be utilized by banks as assets to collateralize and to make loans upon
Re: America's Top Hospitals...Not One Is For-Profit, Corporate Run
Ahh come on rigs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvwh9_HsUmUfeature=related Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:31 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm a Tweety Bird fan, doc. LOL On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: And this is the icing rigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94 Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:17 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't give foundations/think tanks much credence. It's terrible what greed inflicts upon honesty and ideas. On Mar 27, 6:07 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Just to open the dialogue, here's an interesting article on foundations which of course fall under the non-profit category http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_438.shtml Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:51 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: What do you mean, doc? When I was 31 I got a terrible diagnosis from one team of doctors/hospital and I called D. who insisted I go down to Mayo who had an utterly different solution- which worked. And I paid my bills off- including those for the children by working out agreements with the providers. Now, with great insurance coverage, I avoid doctors. My suspicions are born from my father who was a personal injury attorney and had little respect for them. D. agreed with my jab that he was just a body plumber. I am convinced a friend over-doctored himself into paralysis when he retired.There really isn't a national rating system on professions- which there should be. On Mar 27, 5:02 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: The list was compiled by the nonprofit Consumers Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 2:10 pm, CaliforniaLuis rivcu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/aarp-lists-top-ranked-us-ho... Heart, General * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Children's Hospital Boston, Boston, Mass. * New York-Presbyterian/Columbia, New York, N.Y. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, Calif. * Texas Heart Institute at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston, Tex. Cancer, General * The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Tex. * Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, N.Y. * Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Mass. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * City of Hope, Duarte, Calif. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo, N.Y. Mystery Diagnoses * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Neurosurgery * Duke University Hospital, Durham, N.C. * Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. * University of California San Francisco Medical Center, San Francisco, Calif. * Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio * Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, Mass. * The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. Eyes * Bascom Palmer Eye Institute, University of Miami, Miami, Fla. * Wills Eye Institute, Philadelphia, Pa. * Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, Los Angeles, Calif. * Wilmer Eye Institute, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Md.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Fiscal Economic Program, That I Think Would Work
I was speaking of the Chinese. They're going back to their farms, probably richer and still self sufficient. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:42 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: No. We have been sliced away from our agrarian past and can only hope to be frugal with dashes of Scotch blood. The Chinese who flooded factory towns will find their way back to their villages. We don't have many villages/family farms in America to retreat to. And- there is nothing easy or cheap about a private garden. I will simply eat less and grow thinner and willowy- it is said to be the best route to a very long life. On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we? Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well. On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it. Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate. On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going overseas to do business. http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi... Peace, Doc On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Members! I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for submitting this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected and ironed out, researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican Committee, as well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on Foreign Relations, and several other think tanks. I would really like to hear input, yea's; nay's; This stinks; Horse Hockey; or even Sounds Pretty Good from anyone and everyone. The more bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be able to perfect what it is that I am proposing. Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa Florida) for planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't been to Marty's web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with all of his premises.Or not!! http://www.alphabeticalist.com/ = As I understand it, there are approximately five million immigrants that are allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have not checked the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I am personally aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the United States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland Security) is at least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years. Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, (FDIC) has mandated that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written off of any financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently the crux of our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the toxic assets. In a nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the bank that guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, like A.I.G. I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch Agencies) mandate, (in Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal Regulations versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new immigrants who are applying for immigration visas into the United States, get moved up to the head of the line of the immigration waiting list, and be allowed to immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree to purchase outright, with cash money, one of these toxic assets; at the real value of the home. When I say real value, I am talking about what the property's actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be appraised at. This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the financial imbalances in our Nation, and the recession/depression. First, let's look at the numbers. Assuming that there are 5,000,000 immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, if we took just 10 percent of those five million, to bump them up in line, providing that they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, (and believe me, there are literally
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
All this since January. Obama is the genius of all geniuses and or the new messiah! Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 5:33 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: government takeover of private companies government takeover of the financial industry government dictating wages and benefits government dictating what cars you can drive government dictating what you may listen to on the radio government confiscation of guns from private citizens government telling you what doctor to see government telling what procedures you can have done government takeover of the print media yep you are witnessing the destruction of America, and the creation of amerika. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: you are witnessing the totalitarian take over of America
How we got here Private companies takeover of government financial industry takeover of government insurance companies telling you what doctor to see insurance companies telling you which procedure you can have done Americans had no protection against outsourcing American Jobs now Americans are 3rd world slaves to elitists (corporatism) thereby money and slavery came 1st NOT Americas liberties and common welfare came first = tratiors Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 5:33 am, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.net wrote: government takeover of private companies government takeover of the financial industry government dictating wages and benefits government dictating what cars you can drive government dictating what you may listen to on the radio government confiscation of guns from private citizens government telling you what doctor to see government telling what procedures you can have done government takeover of the print media yep you are witnessing the destruction of America, and the creation of amerika. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Most Toxic Asset Of All
AMEN save the voodoo superstitions! and in reiteration snip In his only book, Notes on the State of Virginia (1787), Jefferson urged readers to resist the factory life of large European cities and stay on the land. Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue, Jefferson wrote in the famous chapter called Manufactures. Farmers intuit the laws of God within the laws of nature, and so become virtuous, he reasoned. They are, by the nature of their work, resourceful, neighborly, independent. They are the elemental caretakers of the world. Nor do they succumb to the crude opinions of the masses. But the farmer is free-thinking and inquisitive. The manufacturer, by contrast, is a specialist, a cog, a wage slave. Dependence, Jefferson concluded, begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. A manufacturer cannot be a citizen of a democracy, only a consumer within an oligarchy. Four years later, Hamilton submitted to Congress his Report on Manufactures, in which he dismissed Jefferson's agrarian vision in favor of developing industry, division of labor, child labor, protective tariffs, and prohibitions on many imported manufactured goods. Today, fewer than 1 percent of Americans work on farms, and many of those are huge, industrial farms that generate massive amounts of toxic by-products. That Jefferson's self-reliant farmer is so unrecognizable to us today is evidence enough, should we need any, that we have inherited Hamilton's America, not Jefferson's. more.. The difference between Jefferson and Hamilton is the difference between a version of Christianity based on Jesus' life and death and Resurrection, and one based on his teachings. Or to put it another way, it is a difference between where one locates basileia tou theou— the kingdom of God. Is it, as Luke's gospel says, in the midst of you (17:21), or is it, as John's gospel claimed, a reward saved for the sweet hereafter? To live by Jesus' teachings would be to live virtuously as stewards of the land; it would be to create an economy based on compassion, cooperation, and conservation; it would be to preserve the Creation as the kingdom of God. Jefferson was proposing a country of countrysides, a pastorale in which we would want to live; Hamilton was giving us a nation of factories from i which we would want —perhaps in the end need—to be saved. Thomas is the Aramaic word for twin. That Thomas Jefferson's version of Christianity actually found a twin gospel—one that included no miracles, no claims of divinity, but only the teachings of Jesus— hidden beneath an Egyptian cliff, and that this ancient gospel was also recorded by a man known as Thomas, makes for a remarkable story. Sometime near the end of the nineteenth century, two British archaeologists, Bernard P. Grenfell and Arthur S. Hunt, were searching through an ancient trash heap along the Nile River, at a site known as Oxyrhynchus, when they found three small papyrus leaves. One of the fragments read, These are the [ ] sayings [ ] the living Jesus spoke [ ] also called Thomas [ ]. New Testament scholars had long known that there once existed a Gospel of Thomas because in the third century Hippolytus denounced such a text in his Refutation of All Heresies. And because Thomas's gospel ran afoul of the early Church bishops, particularly Irenaeus, most copies of it were likely destroyed. In 1945, 150 miles upstream near another river town called Nag Hammadi, an Egyptian farmer named Muhammad `Ali al-Samman was guiding his camel beneath the nitrogen-rich cliffs that line the Nile, collecting fertilizer for his fields. As he dug at the base of one cliff, Muhammad `Ali found a sealed jug, obviously ancient. Fearing a jinn but hoping for gold, he broke the jar open with his mattock. He found neither. What fell out were twelve books (codices), made from papyrus and bound in leather. Figuring the manuscripts might be worth something, Muhammad `Ali gathered them up in his turban and carried them home. According to New Testament scholar James M. Robinson, who has pieced this whole story together, Muhammad 'Ali's mother used some of the leaves from the books to ignite their out-door clay oven. Muhammad `Ali traded others for oranges and cigarettes. Meanwhile, shortly after the discovery, Muhammad `Ali and his brothers hacked to death a man they claimed had killed their father six months earlier. But when local police started poking around, asking about the murder, Muhammad `Ali didn't want to answer any further questions about the codices. Since the manuscripts were written in Coptic, an Egyptian variant of Greek, he hid one at the house of a Coptic priest. The priest, in turn, sent it to Cairo by way of his brother-in-law to ascertain its value on the
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
If we could get the damned FDA out of the way we might learn how to take care of ourselves and Be The Man and heal ourselves! Fuck prohibition! http://www.rationalmind.net/2007/12/27/the-war-on-drugs-us-vs-netherlands/ Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. -Abraham Lincoln (1809-65) U.S. President. Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 1:41 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: social medicine works --- your healthcare is your responsibility - not the governments On Mar 26, 11:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving and in a food riot during the hyper-inflation anyway you don't sound smart enough to survive On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: Sure. Go for it, if you think your 5% of the population can take the other 95% of us. Of course, you're probably not in the top 5% anyway, unless you married well. -- *From:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:38 AM *To:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works so then there is no reason for we productive people to just have you shot then since you have announced your intentions to rape, mug, and rob very good then your name is on the list for the revolution do you currently live off your mommie? is she conscious btw? do you just cash her disability checks for her? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: I have no sympathy for the very wealthy and could care less if they're being asked to ante up more money. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works I don't know if you read the part of my post about my uncle, but the ironic thing is that his life was built upon the back of working class people, namely my grandparents. My grandpa retired from schilling spice company in the werehouse department. My grandma owned a beauty salon for 30 some years. My uncle took advantage of this stable working class familly environement to become the success story he is. But now he patronizes my mothers side of the familly, my mother was the black sheep so to speak. We have Christmas dinner with them every year and play act like we like each other. But the atmosphere is so phoney it makes me want to puke sometimes. This is probably a big reason why I have little patience for the very wealthy. I'm every bit as intelligent as my two cousins, but they got the private school educations, bought and paid for by daddy, while I funded my own city college education which I would have finished had I not discovered the stock market. I've been a cl ose observer of both sides of the tracks in my time, and I feel I have a unique perspective. --- In thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com, Ray rz...@... wrote: The insurance companies are just a bad middleman that provide no added value to the process. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:51 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [The Political Spin Room] Damn straight social medicine works My sisters familly is insured through Kaiser for around a
Re: Damn straight social medicine works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 6:23 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: poor moronic puppet is that the best your masters have taught you in defending their schemes against exposure they won't be feeding you during the food rationing you'll be sent to the processing plant On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:14 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Speaking of BLOVIATING On Mar 26, 10:58 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you tax predators and their flaks are even 50% yet. But no matter. You were dependent on being able to sell China and others promissary notes where you promised to parasitize and enslave future generations of tax slaves to pay back the debt on any money they would loan you And they aren't buying any more So your system of slavery is going to collapse soon anyway Or are you some little cannon fodder dupe who believes the pseudo class analysis your Hitlers fed you? No matter you will be starving and in a food riot during the hyper-inflation anyway you don't sound smart enough to survive On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: Sure. Go for it, if you think your 5% of the population can take the other 95% of us. Of course, you're probably not in the top 5% anyway, unless you married well. -- *From:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com [mailto: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce majors *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:38 AM *To:* thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works so then there is no reason for we productive people to just have you shot then since you have announced your intentions to rape, mug, and rob very good then your name is on the list for the revolution do you currently live off your mommie? is she conscious btw? do you just cash her disability checks for her? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ray rz...@qwest.net wrote: I have no sympathy for the very wealthy and could care less if they're being asked to ante up more money. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Political Spin Room] Re: Damn straight social medicine works I don't know if you read the part of my post about my uncle, but the ironic thing is that his life was built upon the back of working class people, namely my grandparents. My grandpa retired from schilling spice company in the werehouse department. My grandma owned a beauty salon for 30 some years. My uncle took advantage of this stable working class familly environement to become the success story he is. But now he patronizes my mothers side of the familly, my mother was the black sheep so to speak. We have Christmas dinner with them every year and play act like we like each other. But the atmosphere is so phoney it makes me want to puke sometimes. This is probably a big reason why I have little patience for the very wealthy. I'm every bit as intelligent as my two cousins, but they got the private school educations, bought and paid for by daddy, while I funded my own city college education which I would have finished had I not discovered the stock market. I've been a cl ose observer of both sides of the tracks in my time, and I feel I have a unique perspective. --- In thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com, Ray rz...@... wrote: The insurance companies are just a bad middleman that provide no added value to the process. -Original Message- From: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gengelhorn Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:51 AM To: thepoliticalspinr...@yahoogroups.comThePoliticalSpinroom% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [The Political Spin Room] Damn straight social medicine works My sisters familly is insured through Kaiser for around a $1000 a month for four individuals. She hates the coverage she gets. Doctors waste her time referring her to specialist after specialist at the additional cost of 20 dollars per visit not to mention personal time lost that could be used to either make money or just spend the day in her garden. The reason her
Re: Intruder Alert: TAU's Smart Dew Will Find You!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzoXQKumgCw Peace, Doc On Mar 26, 8:44 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Thu, Mar 26, 2009 Subject: Intruder Alert: TAU's Smart Dew Will Find You! http://www.aftau.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticleid=9207 *Intruder Alert: TAU's Smart Dew Will Find You! **Thursday, March 26, 2009 * Dewdrop-sized motes serve as invisible security guards *A TAU researcher's fingertip (bottom right) points to a Smart Dew droplet* A remarkable new invention from *Tel Aviv University* — a network of tiny sensors as small as dewdrops called Smart Dew — will foil even the most determined intruder. Scattered outdoors on rocks, fence posts and doorways, or indoors on the floor of a bank, the dewdrops are a completely new and cost-effective system for safeguarding and securing wide swathes of property. *Prof. Yoram Shapira *and his *Tel Aviv University Faculty of Engineering *team drew upon the space-age science of motes to develop the new security tool. Dozens, hundreds and even thousands of these Smart Dew sensors — each equipped with a controller and RF transmitter/receiver — can also be wirelessly networked to detect the difference between man, animal, car and truck. We've created a generic system that has no scale limitations, says Prof. Shapira. This makes it especially useful for large farms or even the borders of nations where it's difficult, and sometimes impractical, to install fences or constantly patrol them. Most people could never afford the manpower to guard such large properties, explains Prof. Shapira. Instead, we've created this Smart Dew to do the work. It's invisible to an intruder, and can provide an alarm that someone has entered the premises. *The Cheapest and Smartest Solution on the Market* [image: Photo: Prof. Yoram Shapira, Tel Aviv University] *Prof. Yoram Shapira* Each individual dew droplet can detect an intrusion within a parameter of 50 meters (about 165 feet). And at a cost of 25 cents per droplet, Prof. Shapira says that his solution is the cheapest and the smartest on the market. A part of the appeal of Smart Dew is its near-invisibility, Prof. Shapira says. Smart Dew is a covert monitoring system. Because the sensors in the Smart Dew wireless network are so small, you would need bionic vision to notice them. There would be so many tiny droplets over the monitored area that it would be impossible to find each and every one. *Electronic Ears, Noses, Skin and Eyes* Unlike conventional alarm systems, each droplet of Smart Dew can be programmed to monitor a different condition. Sounds could be picked up by a miniature microphone. The metal used in the construction of cars and tractors could be detected by a magnetic sensor. Smart Dew droplets could also be programmed to detect temperature changes, carbon monoxide emissions, vibrations or light. Each droplet sends a radio signal to a base station that collects and analyzes the data. Like the signals sent out by cordless phones, RF is a safe, low-power solution, making Prof. Shapira's technology extremely cost-effective compared to other concepts. It doesn't require much imagination to envision the possibilities for this technology to be used, says Prof. Shapira. They are really endless. “Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and -- thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never solves anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.” --Robert A. Heinlein __._,_.___ Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcmF... MARKETPLACE Do you think you're Smart? Find out your IQ today. Take our quiz at Quizyou.net.http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14k31rlhe/M=730914.13354441.13465017.1083... -- -- From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kdcqutb/M=493064.12016295.13271503.1083... [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcnVqOHJlBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycEl... Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnb2NwNXR...(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digestgrendelreport-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email+delivery:+Digest| Switch format to Traditionalgrendelreport-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change+delivery+format:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport;_ylc=X3oDMTJlazJzNW43BF9T...| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/| Unsubscribe
Re: Discussion on new-world-order
Another piece of the puzzle: to wit Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. - Abraham Lincoln: Speech in the Illinois House of Representatives, Dec 18, 1840. To Wit: Posted on Tue, Mar. 17, 2009 Obama's open to military help for Mexico; experts urge caution By MARISA TAYLOR AND NANCY A. YOUSSEF McClatchy Newspapers As the Pentagon eyes a bigger role in Mexico's drug war, the military's efforts to open the door to a new relationship with its southern neighbor risk alienating the Mexican military, which has long had a strained relationship with its counterpart, experts said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has called for improved relations with the Mexican military in response to escalating drug violence along the Mexican border and in Mexico. On Meet the Press earlier this month, the secretary said: I think we are beginning to be in a position to help the Mexicans more than we have in the past. Some of the old biases against cooperation between our militaries and so on, I think, are being set aside. Most experts, however, say any military role should be limited to sharing intelligence or training Mexican troops, and even defense officials privately concede their effort to increase their role in Mexico is confusing Mexicans and even other U.S. agencies. It's a mistake to say that the United States is going to address this problem of security in Mexico by increasing the Pentagon's role, said Armand B. Peschard-Sverdrup, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. It only would perpetuate the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries. During a trip designed to expand U.S. Mexican-military relations, Adm. Michael Mullen, the highest-ranking U.S. military officer, visited the graves of American troops who died during the Mexican-American War just as Gates did during his first visit in August. Although the solemn gesture appeared innocuous, Mexico observers say the visit undercut the military's message that U.S.-Mexican military tensions were a thing of the past. Why remind Mexicans of the war? The Mexican military is already highly suspect of U.S. intentions and the war is still fresh in their minds, Peschard-Sverdrup said. Yes, Mullen was well-intentioned, but he goes to pay homage to Americans who died, not realizing in a sense that he's also reinforcing the concerns that many in Mexico - especially the Mexican military - have that the U.S. military will try to dominate its land once again. Critics said the military also has not helped its efforts with a recent U.S. Joint Forces Command report that concluded that Mexico and Pakistan were the world's two states most likely to fail. It's ridiculous comparing the Mexico situation to Pakistan, said Raul Benitez, a professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico who specializes in military and national security issues. Benitez said the report demonstrated that the military's view of Mexico was black and white and he questioned why the administration chose to send a military official before Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano traveled there. As a result, Mullen became the first administration official to brief President Barack Obama on Mexico. On the Mexican side, the military has taken on an unprecedented role in fighting the drug cartels. President Felipe Calderon has dispatched troops to hot spots throughout the country to try to contain the violence. Drug cartel leaders have hit back with widespread kidnappings, murders and beheadings. The death toll since last year: 7,000. The U.S. has tried to help Mexico contain the violence by launching the Merida Initiative, an anti-crime aid measure that's expected to total $1.4 billion over three years. Under the initiative, the Pentagon is providing five helicopters, a maritime surveillance aircraft and handheld ion scanners, as well as personal protective equipment, rigid hull inflatable boats and night-vision devices. In addition, the Defense Department trained 150 Mexican officers from October 2006 to September 2007. Last year, Mexico and the United States signed an agreement to share intelligence. However, congressional Republicans chastised the Pentagon last week for not making Mexico a bigger priority. Adding to the pressure, the Texas governor called on the administration to send the National Guard or military troops to the border. Last week, Obama said he'd be open to considering such requests, but emphasized that he didn't want to militarize the border region. We're going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they
Re: A China Owned America. Does China's gifts under the tree mean the streets and soup lines for home owners?
-- Columbia University professor Robert Mundell, who
was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1999 for his role in creating the euro.
Speaking at the same conference with Nazarbayev, he said the idea had
great promise.
The Kremlin document also called for national banks and international
financial institutions to diversify their foreign currency reserves.
It said the global financial system should be restructured to prevent
future crises and proposed holding an international conference after
the G20 summit to adopt conventions on a new global financial
structure.
The Group of 20 industrialized and developing countries will meet in
London on April 2.end snip
Peace,
Doc
On Mar 25, 12:03 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Doc: I am very familiar with the Trilateralists. also the CFR,
Bilderbergwrs, and the Club of Rome. In case you have forgotten those 3.
And you might remember it was Jim Tucker that infiltrated the Bilderberger's
meetings. I worked for LL, remember?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Doc Holliday
dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote:
And you think China would continue to be humble about it? Even a worm
will turn. And of course you wouldn't have a fucking clue what the
trilateral commission is about; would you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QFXGxw6Tk
Peace,
Doc
On Mar 24, 7:55 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Best bet is to let the chicoms buy as much debt as they can and then just
rescind it all.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Obama's trillions of upcoming debt plus the Fed's new trillions
of additional buy-out of
risky financial debt adds up to TENS OF TRILLIONS more debt a decade
from now is admitted
by all. But what is unexpected is that after all these new
trillions
were announced, the Chinese
ambassador just assured the U.S. publicly that China will continue
to buy U.S. Treasury Bonds
as part of its foreign financial policy. How lucky can Americans
be? An Asian Santa Claus
to help us out of all our difficulties?
Peace,
Doc
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Obama's trillions of upcoming debt plus the Fed's new trillions of additional buy-out of risky financial debt adds up to TENS OF TRILLIONS more debt a decade from now is admitted by all. But what is unexpected is that after all these new trillions were announced, the Chinese ambassador just assured the U.S. publicly that China will continue to buy U.S. Treasury Bonds as part of its foreign financial policy. How lucky can Americans be? An Asian Santa Claus to help us out of all our difficulties? Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A China Owned America. Does China's gifts under the tree mean the streets and soup lines for home owners?
And you think China would continue to be humble about it? Even a worm
will turn. And of course you wouldn't have a fucking clue what the
trilateral commission is about; would you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QFXGxw6Tk
Peace,
Doc
On Mar 24, 7:55 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Best bet is to let the chicoms buy as much debt as they can and then just
rescind it all.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Doc Holliday
dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote:
Obama's trillions of upcoming debt plus the Fed's new trillions
of additional buy-out of
risky financial debt adds up to TENS OF TRILLIONS more debt a decade
from now is admitted
by all. But what is unexpected is that after all these new
trillions
were announced, the Chinese
ambassador just assured the U.S. publicly that China will continue
to buy U.S. Treasury Bonds
as part of its foreign financial policy. How lucky can Americans
be? An Asian Santa Claus
to help us out of all our difficulties?
Peace,
Doc
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Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children
Re: Scary Video
No but you and or I are supposed to be and not notice. GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS; YOU KNOW TOO mu...@#$%^$%^%^ http://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(06)00504-6 There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution. - Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961” Peace, Doc On Mar 23, 7:12 am, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Is this man on powerful anti-depressants, or what? CW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQK4sBVzg54eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.free... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Ohh if only we never had to grow up...that damned apple! Peace, Doc On Mar 23, 3:27 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: I want the Garden of Eden and will refuse Satan's apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil- some think it located in what is now modern Iraq- ironic. And I won't coax an Adam to take a bite. Some women know men are terrible liars. :-) On Mar 23, 10:19 am,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.net wrote: Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...;-) Ford has a better idea; right? What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over again; you know just start from the beginning. Peace Doc On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better idea. Why don't we continue the whole, Manifest Destiny deal, and just take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing them with our own corrupt politicians.Eventually, we can divide Mexico up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and some oil reserves.We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; Keith In Tampa's Ten Year Plan.This would resolve the border issue, and provide some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in price! \ On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM,DocHolliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general
Re: AP Gives Aid and Comfort to Spitzer's Fiction-Based 'I told you so on AIG (from Bizzy Blog)
What the hell is transparency? Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 12:57 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: March 22, 2009 AP Gives Aid and Comfort to Spitzer's Fiction-Based 'I Told You So' on AIG http://www.bizzyblog.com/2009/03/22/ap-gives-aid-and-comfort-to-spitz... Filed under: Business Moves http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/business-moves/, Economy http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/economy/, MSM Biz/Other Bias http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/msm-biz-bias/, MSM Biz/Other Ignorance http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/msm-biz-ignorance/, Taxes Government http://www.bizzyblog.com/category/taxes-government/ --- TBlumer @ 10:51 am SpitzerAP0309.jpgDisgraced former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer clearly sees the current AIG bonus controversy as an opportunity to redeem his reputation. The Associated Press's Michael Hill provided rehabilitation assistance in his Friday report http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZvR4vOTFl8d_x-jNhG Spitzer is best remembered for resigning http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/03/12/ as the Empire State's chief executive after being caught http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/03/10/fox-eliot-spitzer-to-resign-as-ny... patronizing high-priced prostitutes over a period of several years, and for having a reputation as an attorney general on a self-aggrandizing crusade against against corporate corruption prior to that. Spitzer is attempting to capitalize on the public's incomplete knowledge of his sorry saga to get back in its good graces. The AP's Hill gave Spitzer the print equivalent of a soapbox http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZvR4vOTFl8d_x-jNhG... to do just that: *With AIG, Spitzer is Sheriff of Wall Street redux* Eliot Spitzer has a few words to say about the AIG bonus brouhaha: I told you so. The former New York governor battered American International Group with charges of corruption long before his own dizzying downfall in a prostitution scandal. He has used this latest financial scandal to strike his old populist, Sheriff of Wall Street themes and, just maybe, mend his reputation --- though critics contend that he bears a share of the blame for the insurance giant's historic near-collapse. . As for all those politicians piling on AIG this week? Been there. Done that. We pursued AIG and Wall Street's structural failures in a way that others shied away from because it was politically unpalatable for them to address those issues, Spitzer told host Brian Lehrer Wednesday on WNYC Radio in New York City. Now it is the flavor of the month. Everybody is jumping up and down serving subpoenas, beating their chests trying to be tougher than the next person. On CNN Thursday, Spitzer said his initial probes came from AIG's effort from the very top to gin up returns whenever, wherever possible and to push the boundaries in a way that would garner returns almost regardless of risk. Back then I said to people, AIG is the center of the web, he told CNN's Fareed Zakaria. Spitzer pursued AIG for years when he was New York's attorney general. The company eventually announced in 2006 that it would pay $1.64 billion to resolve allegations that it used deceptive accounting practices to mislead investors and regulatory agencies. AIG's veteran chief executive officer, Maurice Hank Greenberg, was forced to resign in 2005 after a long and contentious, sometimes ugly battle with Spitzer. He obviously believes history has vindicated him, said John Coffee, a professor of securities law at Columbia University, and wants to remind America that he was there first. . Coffee suspects Spitzer is more concerned about reclaiming a legacy than mounting a comeback. Jeffrey Stonecash of Syracuse University's Maxwell School said the recent comments fit Spitzer, a natural crusader zealous about rooting out financial crimes. Hill waited until his 19th paragraph to note that there is a quite contrarian take on Spitzer's legal legacy, noting that Critics, mostly on the political right, claim that by forcing out Greenberg and creating turmoil at AIG, Spitzer laid the groundwork for the debacle roiling the country today. A year ago, in the wake of Spitzer's resignation, the Wall Street Journal reminded us http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120519359147125705.html?mod=rss_opini... that the self-styled, media-assisted Spitzer was much more of a legal tyrant than crusader: Mr. Spitzer's recklessness with the state's highest elected office, though, is of a piece with his consistent excesses as Attorney General from 1999 to 2006. He routinely used the extraordinary threat of indicting entire firms, a financial death sentence, to force the dismissal of executives, such as AIG's Maurice Hank Greenberg. He
Re: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder
Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy Bush TO BOOT. Peace, Doc On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 rigs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see the same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is their tough luck. On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW rogerwbo...@yahoo.com wrote: Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian families and destroyed homes and farms. Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the conduct of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its own soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, even ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside the military – are at marked variance with official claims that the military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and tend to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used indiscriminate and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the operation. In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the shooting of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by troops. Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were shot dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, says the atmosphere among troops was that the lives of Palestinians were very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A squad leader said: At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away. The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion by graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session in front of the head of the course – details from which were published by the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce a military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the airing of the dirty secrets would make it more difficult for Israelis to dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course principal, Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being shocked by the testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi he feared a serious moral failure in the IDF. In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops released a family who had been held in a room of their house for several days. He said: The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly woman, says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had complained that we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist. The squad leader said: To write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics. Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: I say to you that
The Spectator Stop The Debates!
In case any of you haven't figured out that when you look at things through a microscope you are doing exactly what they want you to do and they (politicians) and getting exactly what then need to systematically and methodically tear our collective thoughts apart accomplishing the ultimate goal of maintaining power over us. If we don't get our heads out of our asses and quit micromanaging each individual bill and or politician then we will never see the BIG PICTURE. The philosophy that hedges behind this phenomena is collectivism vs individualism and as a COLLECTIVELY system our government and or leadership is leading us away from our individual rights and or our inalienable rights. They are doing so collectively? As I've looked at the leadership philosophies of Benjamin Franklin and George Washington who found their genius in a book called The Spectator I now understand why this nation has been led into individualism and or specialty. When the atom bomb was built with thousands of people working on this project each individual had a specialized and or specific (specialist and or specialized field) job to do. In this manner no one individual had the information to put the pieces of the puzzle together so there was no collective information so the secret was kept safe. All of you have fallen into the trap of micromanaging and bickering over little pieces of the big cheese and all of you have fallen into the trap that these bastards have set for you. I know that human nature and the intellectual side of politics intrigue all of us and we sure as hell like to either argue our side of the story about this one and that one or we bury our heads in the sand and remain naive because we fear the truth. I both instances we have COLLECTIVELY missed the boat and none of us are synthesizing the truth. I beg you all collectively to embark on a new idea as it relates to The Spectator. It may no be a good thing for us as a debating political entity because if we collectively unite by looking at the big picture then we have taken much of the political debate out of the equation which is inevitably the answer. The DEBATE will be over and isn't that what we want? What is better for us as a nation? To collectivity unite and beat these tyrants at their own game of micromanaging individually and let these politicians make us into a collective bunch of folks and or debating fools who remain at the mercy of their will. Are we going to remain a ship of fools rowing in different directions on the hoodoo seas? Peace, Doc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Spectator Stop The Debates!
the murder, Muhammad `Ali didn't want to answer any further questions about the codices. Since the manuscripts were written in Coptic, an Egyptian variant of Greek, he hid one at the house of a Coptic priest. The priest, in turn, sent it to Cairo by way of his brother-in-law to ascertain its value on the antiquities market. But someone tipped off Egyptian authorities, who then threatened to take the brother-in-law into custody and told him he could return home only if he sold the codex to the Coptic Museum, which he promptly did. Here a one-eyed bandit named Bahij `Ali enters the story. Cairo's leading antiquities dealer, Cypriot Phocion J. Tano, had retained Bahij `Ali to acquire as many of the codices as possible. But again, the Egyptian government heard about Tano's acquisitions and pressed him to entrust the manuscripts to the Coptic Museum for safe keeping. Tano spent much of the 1950s trying unsuccessfully to get the codices back. In 1952 the French scholar Henri-Charles Puech realized that a tractate in Codex II contained sayings that matched the Oxyrhynchus fragments. Less than sixty years after Grenfell and Hunt uncovered hard evidence that a Gospel of Thomas did at one time exist, Puech was able to conclude that the entire text had been found. When all of the remaining codices were accounted for, there turned out to he fifty-two separate tractates hidden at Nag Hammadi. How did they end up in this remote port town? In 325 C.E. the Roman Emperor Constantine, newly converted to Christianity, called for a conference of bishops in Nicaea. He charged them to come up with a short document that would unite Christians and eradicate heresy. The result was the Nicene Creed. Forty-two years later, one of the drafters, Athanasius, the bishop of Alexandria, issued a letter to Egyptian monks calling for all heretical manuscripts to be destroyed.1 Scholars suspect that monks at the St. Pachomius monastery, near Nag Hammadi, refused the order, and instead buried the codices in a large jug. Unfortunately, years of infighting among international scholars stalled the publication of what came to be called the Nag Hammadi library, and the European countries that controlled the publication rights showed a remarkable indifference to the task. In the end it was an American, James M. Robinson, who obtained photographs of the individual Coptic tractates and passed them on to a team of American translators. As a result, the first complete edition of the Nag Hammadi Library was published in English. Perhaps because of this head start, much of the ground-breaking scholar-ship devoted to the Gospel of Thomas has come from Americans: Robinson himself, Stephen J. Patterson, John Dominic Crossan, Helmut Koester, Ste-van Davies, and Elaine Pagels. But I have another theory: it was Thomas Jefferson's Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth that prepared the Americans for what they would find in the ancient Gospel of Thomas. In some Borgesian way, Jefferson's gospel has become a predecessor to the Gospel of Thomas, though it was composed some 1,700 years later. The similarities between the two gospels are remarkable, as much for what they do not say as for what they do. Like Jefferson's gospel, Thomas's ignores the virgin birth. Thomas's Jesus never performs a miracle, never calls himself the Son of God, and never claims that he will have to die for the sins of humankind. Instead he tells parables, he issues instructions, and, most alarmingly, he locates the kingdom of God in that one place we might never look—right in front of us.end snip Peace, Doc On Mar 21, 12:02 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Nailed in on the head Doc..Good Post. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: In case any of you haven't figured out that when you look at things through a microscope you are doing exactly what they want you to do and they (politicians) and getting exactly what then need to systematically and methodically tear our collective thoughts apart accomplishing the ultimate goal of maintaining power over us. If we don't get our heads out of our asses and quit micromanaging each individual bill and or politician then we will never see the BIG PICTURE. The philosophy that hedges behind this phenomena is collectivism vs individualism and as a COLLECTIVELY system our government and or leadership is leading us away from our individual rights and or our inalienable rights. They are doing so collectively? As I've looked at the leadership philosophies of Benjamin Franklin and George Washington who found their genius in a book called The Spectator I now understand why this nation has been led into individualism and or specialty. When the atom bomb was built with thousands of people working on this project each individual had a specialized and or specific (specialist and or specialized field) job to do. In this manner no one individual had
