Re: I just want you to know ....
like a gun. You know what kind of >>>>>>> world it is out there for people of color. This is a racist country, >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> like Dr. Stein always says, and you should have been more careful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Besides, I and my friends did warn you that if you nominated >>>>>>> Clinton, we’d never vote for her. So really, this is on you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite that, I want you to know that yes, I get it. Your kid is >>>>>>> dead, and that’s a tragedy. But we should have more choices in our >>>>>>> political campaigns. And maybe in four or eight or twelve years, we’ll >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> better candidates and we can all vote for someone we really believe in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, except for your son. Sorry about that. >>>>>>> On Your Way to the Voting Booth, I Just Want You to Know… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The stories above don’t have to be about you. Your story isn’t >>>>>>> written yet. Consider this the ghost of election day future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hillary Clinton will make a great president. She has spent a career >>>>>>> fighting for workers, for moms, for kids. I can literally inundate you >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> links demonstrating these facts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it you aren’t planning to vote for her right now, despite that >>>>>>> lengthy career, my guess is it’s because you wouldn’t believe anything >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> any of those links. My guess is that you’ve decided you don’t believe >>>>>>> anything Clinton says, nor do you believe any of the mountains of >>>>>>> evidence >>>>>>> demonstrating she will be a great president. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay. Then all I want to ask you to do is believe that Donald Trump >>>>>>> is who he says he is. Believe he’ll do what he says he’ll do. And then >>>>>>> compare the two: the Clinton of your imagination (the person you think >>>>>>> she >>>>>>> really is despite any evidence I might provide) and the Trump we see >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> day. You cannot imagine a Clinton who will do more harm to our country >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> Donald Trump is promising to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read any Trump speech. Please. You have to decide he doesn’t mean >>>>>>> any of the things he says in order to even take the slightest risk of >>>>>>> him >>>>>>> becoming president. He has promised to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- Deport all illegal immigrants >>>>>>>- Create a national registry of Muslims and bar them from the >>>>>>>country >>>>>>>- Increase the militarization of the police >>>>>>>- Start a trade war with China >>>>>>>- Torture >>>>>>>- Violate the Geneva Conventions, including intentionally >>>>>>>murdering the wives and children of suspected terrorists >>>>>>>- Create criminal penalties for women seeking abortions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trump, even with his current “rally” in the polls is at around >>>>>>> 44–45%. That means we can beat him pretty easily, but it requires you to >>>>>>> vote for Clinton. There isn’t another option this year. I know that’s >>>>>>> unfair to you. But you can’t rationally compare the two of them as >>>>>>> being in >>>>>>> the same ballpark of “evil” no matter what you believe about her. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And as unfair as it might be that you have to vote for Clinton, whom >>>>>>> you dislike so much, think about the millions of people who will have >>>>>>> something far worse happen to them if we elect President Trump. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On your way to the voting booth, I just want you to know that you >>>>>>> can stop stories like these from happening. Your country needs you. The >>>>>>> world needs you. You know what to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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Re: Okla. lawmakers OK bill to make performing abortion a felony
t;>>>>>>>>>> to become a driving force in bringing down Roe v. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that legalized >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP state Sen. Ervin Yen, a physician who voted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the measure, called it “insane” and said he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure the bill would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face a court challenge, the *Tulsa World* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/oklahoma-senate-passes-bill-to-make-it-a-felony-to/article_2ffd21c9-ce55-50f6-ada1-99c3a8f9bc66.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reported. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National abortion rights groups were quick to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> express outrage. Jennifer Miller, spokeswoman for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reproductive Rights, said the bill is the first of its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind in the nation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and called upon Fallin to veto it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Since Gov. Fallin took office in 2011, she has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signed 18 bills restricting access to reproductive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health care services," >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miller said. "Each of these laws has been blocked by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courts." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amanda Allen, lawyer for the center, said the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure represented "a new low," and called it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "harmful, discriminatory, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly unconstitutional, and insulting to Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: Okla. lawmakers OK bill to make performing abortion a felony
gt; their families." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NARAL Pro-Choice America sounded a similar theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Against a backdrop of a presidential nominee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threatening to punish women for accessing abortion, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma's new bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criminalizing this vital reproductive service is reckless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous," said NARAL President Ilyse Hogue. "This bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puts doctors in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cross hairs for providing women with the option of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercising our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamental right to decide how and when to start a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump, the Republican Party's presumptive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential nominee, recently said there "has to be some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punishment" for women who have abortions. He later said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he meant that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "women punish themselves." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Gans, civil rights director at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitutional Accountability Center, said the measure is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unconstitutional. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The Supreme Court has many times said it violates the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons," >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gans said. "It’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of flouting what the Supreme Court has said is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamental right and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the law of the land.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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Re: Digest for politicalforum@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic
See there is a solution. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, politicalforum@googlegroups.com wrote: politicalforum@googlegroups.com https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email/#!overview https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email/#!overview Topic digest View all topics https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics - IS ANYBODY SURPRISED? NORWAY DEPORTS MUSLIMS, CRIME RATE DROPS 31% - Linkis.com #14a9900e9af6b1a0_group_thread_0 - 1 Update IS ANYBODY SURPRISED? NORWAY DEPORTS MUSLIMS, CRIME RATE DROPS 31% - Linkis.com http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/44d04a1969a6c5ef?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email Bear Guy thatbearg...@gmail.com: Dec 29 05:53PM -0500 IS ANYBODY SURPRISED? NORWAY DEPORTS MUSLIMS, CRIME RATE DROPS 31% Posted by Staff on November 15, 2014 *Oslo, Norway: The world's largest gang of thugs, murderers, and rapists is masquerading as a religion of peace, says Adrian Stavig, a resident of Oslo. Beginning this past January, the new Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg began a program which targets and deports Muslims who have ties to radical groups. While many in America would say this is racist, it's worked in dramatic fashion. Violent crimes are down more than 31% in Norway. * * What a shocker. * *Perhaps the rest of Europe and the United States could learn a lesson or two about radical Islam here. Deport the radicals, keep the moderates, and everybody wins. From Oslo local news: A record number of people were deported by Norwegian authorities in October, said government sources. * *The National Police Immigration Service Norway (Politiets Utlendingsenhet – PU) deported 824 people in October, which is a new record. * *The previous record was set in September, the month prior, when 763 people were deported, reported Dagsavisen.* *PU believe some of the reasons for the rise in figures are more resources, more staff and a change of “portfolio priorities”. It has also become easier for Norwegian authorities to deport people back to Afghanistan and Nigeria. * *Kristin Kvigne, head of PU, said to Dagsavisen: “This month helps us reach our goal for this year.”* *Norway’s government has ruled that 7,100 people will be deported in 2014. At the end of October, PU had deported 5,876 people so far this year. * *A percentage of those deported in 2014 were asylum seekers who had their application for continued asylum rejected. They were then deported along with their families. The majority of deportees, however, had committed crimes, or had returned illegally to Norway after being deported. * *Kvigne said it was important to view the high number of deportations made by PU in the context of falling crime rates across the country.* Not everybody in Norway is happy with the increased deportations. One academic slammed the new policies: *“Norwegian women must take responsibility for the fact that Muslim men find their manner of dress provocative. And since these men believe women are responsible for rape, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them.” *– Dr. Unni Wikan, Professor of Social Anthropology at the University of Oslo * So, Dr Wikan, using your logic, it is the victim's fault they have been raped? Not in this universe. You sir may have book smarts, but you sure don't have any common sense. And there you have it! Kicking out radical Muslims makes a nation safer and peaceable. Women can walk around without fear of being raped, people just get along a lot better. * http://linkis.com/politicalears.com/oA3qe Back to top #14a9900e9af6b1a0_digest_top You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. You can change your settings on the group membership page https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digestutm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/join . To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Gaza myths and facts: what American Jewish leaders won't tell you
First one has to find a Palestinian people that are willing to acknowledge that Israel exists. It is VERY basic.. can't have two of anything unless both of them simply are. I would also like to see the Hamas constitution amended first. On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Mark, We actually agree, and your facts are indisputable. What you are failing to acknowledge however, is that Israel has flat out ignored UN Resolution 181, 242; and pretty much every other UN Resolution that has called for a free, independent Palestinian State. The Israelis will have none of that! http://www.jcpa.org/art/jid-apx.htm On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:53 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Of course Gaza has been under Israeli occupation since 1967...DUH !! It is territory ceded to Israel by Egypt after the 67 war. Gaza was undisputed Egyptian land prior to that war. The idiot that wrote this lied in the premise therefore all else is based on that lie. The same is true of the West Bank... these are lands that indisputably belonged to Syria and Jordan prior to that same 67 war and were ceded. Nether Egypt, Syria nor Jordan has ever even hinted that they want their land returned. Any so called Palestinian claim to them is bogus. On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:33:21 AM UTC-6, MJ wrote: *Gaza myths and facts: what American Jewish leaders won't tell you * *Myth: Gaza is free. Fact: it has been under Israeli occupation since 1967 to this very day. *By Peter Beinart Published 13:44 30.07.14 If you’ve been anywhere near the American Jewish community over the past few weeks, you’ve heard the following morality tale: Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005, hoping the newly independent country would become the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, Hamas seized power, ransacked greenhouses, threw its opponents off rooftops and began launching thousands of rockets at Israel. American Jewish leaders use this narrative to justify their skepticism of a Palestinian state in the West Bank. But in crucial ways, it’s wrong. And without understanding why it’s wrong, you can’t understand why this war is wrong too. Let’s take the claims in turn. *Israel Left Gaza *It’s true that in 2005, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon withdrew Israel’s more than 8,000 settlers from Gaza http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-pulls-last-troops-from-gaza-ending-38-years-of-military-rule-1.169561. (At America’s urging, he also dismantled four small settlements in the West Bank). But at no point did Gaza become its own country. Had Gaza become its own country, it would have gained control over its borders. It never did. As the Israeli human rights group Gisha http://gisha.org has detailed, even before the election of Hamas, Israel controlled whether Gazans could enter or exit the Strip (In conjunction with Egypt, which controlled the Rafah checkpoint in Gaza's south). Israel controlled the population registry through which Gazans were issued identification cards. Upon evacuating its settlers and soldiers from Gaza, Israel even created a security perimeter inside the Strip from which Gazans were barred from entry. (Unfortunately for Gazans, this perimeter included some of the Strip’s best farmland). “Pro-Israel” commentators claim Israel had legitimate security reasons for all this. But that concedes the point. A necessary occupation is still an occupation. That’s why it’s silly to analogize Hamas’ rocketsrepugnant as they areto Mexico or Canada attacking the United States. The United States is not occupying Mexico or Canada. Israel according to the United States government http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/israel.gaza.occupation.question/ has been occupying Gaza without interruption since 1967. To grasp the perversity of using Gaza as an explanation for why Israel can’t risk a Palestinian state, it helps to realize that Sharon withdrew Gaza’s settlers in large measure because he didn’t want a Palestinian state. By 2004, when Sharon announced the Gaza withdrawal, the Road Map for Peace that he had signed with Mahmoud Abbas was going nowhere. Into the void came two international proposals for a two state solution. The first was the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm, in which every member of the Arab League offered to recognize Israel if it returned to the 1967 lines and found a “just” and “agreed upon” solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees. The second was the 2003 Geneva Initiative, in which former Israeli and Palestinian negotiators publicly agreed upon the details of a two state plan http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/english. As the political scientists Jonathan Rynhold and Dov Waxman have detailed http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/wsas/academics/political_science/documents/IdeologicalChangeandIsrael.pdf, Sharon feared the United States would get behind one or both
Re: don't watch this
What land theft? Israel simply kept the land that the losers of the conflict(s) used to stage their attack. Fair is Fair. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: did they ask him if he supports israel's land theft? On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:41:22 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-the- son-of-hamas-just-said-on-cnn On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:49:42 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: This is the best, non-biased, short video that I have seen that defines and describes the conflict between Israel and Palestine. It is worth everyone's time to take a look at this.I just posted it on my FaceBook page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, plainolamerican plainol...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ topic/politicalforum/6JK-yiSeLyQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/6JK-yiSeLyQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: don't watch this
Watched it start to finish, Keith. Seldom see such a well done piece of subtle pro Hamas propaganda. If the Palestinians have a problem they should take it up with the UN. Then they need to talk to Egypt and Jordan who ceded the West Bank and Gaza after losing a couple of wars. Israel has an undoubted right to exist and to keep and do with ceded land as they see fit... that's what the word sovereign means. One must remember.. the Palestinians as a people NEVER existed prior to Israel being established, they were trans-Jordanians. When Jordan lodges a complaint I'll be glad to listen but they (and every other bordering nation) do't want anything to do with the rat bastards either. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You obviously didn't watch any of the videos that I attached above. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: What land theft? Israel simply kept the land that the losers of the conflict(s) used to stage their attack. Fair is Fair. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: did they ask him if he supports israel's land theft? On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:41:22 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-the- son-of-hamas-just-said-on-cnn On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:49:42 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: This is the best, non-biased, short video that I have seen that defines and describes the conflict between Israel and Palestine. It is worth everyone's time to take a look at this.I just posted it on my FaceBook page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, plainolamerican plainol...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ topic/politicalforum/6JK-yiSeLyQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/6JK-yiSeLyQ/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic
Re: don't watch this
The Oslo accord did NOT cover settlements as evidenced below and Israel was still responsible for security. Annex XIIsrael's continuing responsibilities It was understood that, subsequent to the Israeli withdrawal, Israel would continue to be responsible for external security, and for internal security and public order of settlements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement and Israelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis. Israeli military forces and civilians would be allowed to continue using roads freely within the Gaza Strip and the Jericho area. Article VPermanent status negotiations issues It was understood that several issues were postponed to permanent status negotiations, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest. The outcome of these permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or pre-empted by the parties. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, most of what you wrote I don't disagree with. The problem is that the land that has not been ceded; the land that Israel agreed to cede to Palestinians in Oslo in 1993, has continuously been developed with illegal Jewish settlements. With regard to the Palestinians addressing the UN, they have done so which falls upon deaf ears. This is frustrating to me, because it is us, the United States that seems to block any effort to reel in Israel, and this has been continuously for the last 70 years! As I have stated, I believe in Israel's right to exist. I believe in Israel's right to defend itself. I believe in Israel's right to work their lands and to generate water and agricultural resources. This is not about that. This is about the American people being lied to by a media that apparently is controlled by Israel...The only way that Americans can depend upon the truth is to search European news outlets for what is actually happening over there. This is about the United States having the ability to stop this war in the Middle East, which could be accomplished if the US forces Israel to live up to the treatise and accords that it has entered into, and to live up to the UN Resolutions that have already been passed, which Israel ignores. It's that plain and simple. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Watched it start to finish, Keith. Seldom see such a well done piece of subtle pro Hamas propaganda. If the Palestinians have a problem they should take it up with the UN. Then they need to talk to Egypt and Jordan who ceded the West Bank and Gaza after losing a couple of wars. Israel has an undoubted right to exist and to keep and do with ceded land as they see fit... that's what the word sovereign means. One must remember.. the Palestinians as a people NEVER existed prior to Israel being established, they were trans-Jordanians. When Jordan lodges a complaint I'll be glad to listen but they (and every other bordering nation) do't want anything to do with the rat bastards either. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You obviously didn't watch any of the videos that I attached above. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: What land theft? Israel simply kept the land that the losers of the conflict(s) used to stage their attack. Fair is Fair. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: did they ask him if he supports israel's land theft? On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:41:22 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-the- son-of-hamas-just-said-on-cnn On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:49:42 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: This is the best, non-biased, short video that I have seen that defines and describes the conflict between Israel and Palestine. It is worth everyone's time to take a look at this.I just posted it on my FaceBook page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, plainolamerican plainol...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group /PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout
Re: don't watch this
By the time the accords were due to be implemented Hamas had been elected in various city elections and their Manifesto started rearing its' ugly head in those cities. To bolster the accord Clinton tried to intervene... PLO basically showed up and voted present Things went downhill from there with the Hamas giving Fatah the boot. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: And just with the little snippet that you just cited Mark, Israel has built roads and all types of infrastructure within Gaza and the West Bank, none of which Palestinians are allowed to utilize or benefit from. It is only for Jewish peoples. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to pull up the treatise to review it, but I distinctly remember that within several years of it being signed, Israel was expanding into East Jerusalem, which was most definitely AGAINST the terms and protocols of the Oslo Accords! On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The Oslo accord did NOT cover settlements as evidenced below and Israel was still responsible for security. Annex XIIsrael's continuing responsibilities It was understood that, subsequent to the Israeli withdrawal, Israel would continue to be responsible for external security, and for internal security and public order of settlements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement and Israelis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis. Israeli military forces and civilians would be allowed to continue using roads freely within the Gaza Strip and the Jericho area. Article VPermanent status negotiations issues It was understood that several issues were postponed to permanent status negotiations, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and co-operation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest. The outcome of these permanent status negotiations should not be prejudiced or pre-empted by the parties. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, most of what you wrote I don't disagree with. The problem is that the land that has not been ceded; the land that Israel agreed to cede to Palestinians in Oslo in 1993, has continuously been developed with illegal Jewish settlements. With regard to the Palestinians addressing the UN, they have done so which falls upon deaf ears. This is frustrating to me, because it is us, the United States that seems to block any effort to reel in Israel, and this has been continuously for the last 70 years! As I have stated, I believe in Israel's right to exist. I believe in Israel's right to defend itself. I believe in Israel's right to work their lands and to generate water and agricultural resources. This is not about that. This is about the American people being lied to by a media that apparently is controlled by Israel...The only way that Americans can depend upon the truth is to search European news outlets for what is actually happening over there. This is about the United States having the ability to stop this war in the Middle East, which could be accomplished if the US forces Israel to live up to the treatise and accords that it has entered into, and to live up to the UN Resolutions that have already been passed, which Israel ignores. It's that plain and simple. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Watched it start to finish, Keith. Seldom see such a well done piece of subtle pro Hamas propaganda. If the Palestinians have a problem they should take it up with the UN. Then they need to talk to Egypt and Jordan who ceded the West Bank and Gaza after losing a couple of wars. Israel has an undoubted right to exist and to keep and do with ceded land as they see fit... that's what the word sovereign means. One must remember.. the Palestinians as a people NEVER existed prior to Israel being established, they were trans-Jordanians. When Jordan lodges a complaint I'll be glad to listen but they (and every other bordering nation) do't want anything to do with the rat bastards either. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: You obviously didn't watch any of the videos that I attached above. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: What land theft? Israel simply kept the land that the losers of the conflict(s) used to stage their attack. Fair is Fair. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:40 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: did they ask him if he supports israel's land theft? On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:41:22 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-the- son-of-hamas-just-said-on-cnn On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday
Re: don't watch this
http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-the-son-of-hamas-just-said-on-cnn On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:40 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:49:42 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: This is the best, non-biased, short video that I have seen that defines and describes the conflict between Israel and Palestine. It is worth everyone's time to take a look at this.I just posted it on my FaceBook page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yy-pzoFg0feature=youtu.be -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/6JK-yiSeLyQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Let the Immigrants Stay
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Re: Ayn Rand pride
I am a fan.. just not overly or overtly so. I do take my own road on things. I do appreciate any prayer though. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: I will pray for your soul then. On Monday, May 5, 2014, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce, While I am not a complete Rand fan I thoroughly enjoyed this explanation of the reason for reason. It is concise and honest. On Monday, May 5, 2014 4:58:18 AM UTC-6, Bruce Majors wrote: Jamaican, gay and Ayn Rand made it OK: My amazing “Atlas Shrugged” love story I was young, atheist and gay in a very homophobic country. I had no intellectual armor, until I discovered Ayn Rand JASON HILLhttp://www.salon.com/writer/jason_hill/ - Share 848http://www.salon.com/2014/04/25/jamaican_gay_and_ayn_rand_made_it_ok_my_amazing_atlas_shrugged_love_story/ - 124http://www.salon.com/2014/04/25/jamaican_gay_and_ayn_rand_made_it_ok_my_amazing_atlas_shrugged_love_story/ - - -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/AhCP-Zy-Qos/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [LDA] Benghazi it wasn't the video !
Thank you mustang (I think). :-)) On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, 'Mustang' via PoliticalForum politicalforum@googlegroups.com wrote: Mark, I've been trying to come up with a witty, humorous, appreciative reply and suddenly a thought popped into my head. You're the new improved Speedy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjb2UJZ-5I On Monday, May 5, 2014 7:22 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: *IT was ME, ME, ME that could no longer stomach his shit and repeated spamming. That screaming queen was forgiven twice before... to quote the frikkin Jews Never Again!!* On Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:53:56 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: And thank you for sharing this Bruce! Recently, LilTommyTomTomForNews has been requesting to re-join the Group HP. It wasn't I that made the decision not to allow him back in, it was the other Owner/Moderators. I concur. I don't want to put up with that stupid nonsense anymore. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.comwrote: The latest -- Forwarded message -- From: *Tommy News* tommysn...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014 Subject: [LDA] Benghazi To: mailto:lets_discuss_anyth...@yahoogroups.comlets_discuss_anyth...@yahoogroups.com Bush caused Benghazi, and all those other attacks, too. On 5/4/14, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: you dont criticize Obama On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Judy Fuller judyfuller...@aol.com wrote: Again, whatever gave you the impression that I was pro-drones? 007 -Original Message- From: Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com To: Lets_Discuss_Anything Lets_Discuss_Anything@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 4, 2014 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [LDA] Benghazi Yes it is obviously a coverup. The classified many documents in 2014 months after they had been requested They changed their story many times in the weeks between the event and the election they redacted the memo recently obtained which you now all claims is harmless. but when they released to before they blacked it all out Obama is a lying neonazi You and his other supporters are evil, fools and whores You Judy are a repugnant evil shit whose is culpable in the deaths of these Americans and all the hundreds of other people, if not thousands, Obama has murdered, with drones or by selling arms to groups he favors and for other purposes No decent person should have to speak with pigs like you or Tommy On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Judy Fuller judyfuller...@aol.com wrote: You are a real joke, Bruce. IT'S THE COVERUP! THE COVERUP!!! THE FREAKIN' COVERUP! 007 -Original Message- From: Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com To: Lets_Discuss_Anything Lets_Discuss_Anything@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 4, 2014 1:59 pm Subject: Re: [LDA] Benghazi sorry Judy you are once again exposed as a puppet of your masters the issues are 1) Bush did not cover these events up. It's the president lying about it that is the crime. I may have to shower now that I am even in a group with a subnormal to whom this must be explained 2) Bush did not watch these people for 8 hours and send them no help 3) the media did not cover things up for Bush as Candy Crowly and other media sows did You need to admit your hideously ignorance, sloth and evil Judy, and that of the nazis you follow On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Judy Fuller judyfuller...@aol.comwrote: Under Bush's watch, here is the list of embassy/consulate attacks under Bush. Fair is fair, Bruce. You need to acknowledge this. *January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India.* Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed. *June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan.* Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51. *October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia.* U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of Bali Bombings. No fatalities. *February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan.* Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed. *May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.* Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb. *July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan.* A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people. *December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.* Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed. *March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again.* Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even
Re: [New post] BOSTON MARATHON: Woman who converted to Islam in honor of the Boston bombings is running the race this year wearing a Muslim headbag
can believe in something that you are not ashamed to share. --- sharing freedom from violent, persecuting religious animals is worth the effort. On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:43:44 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: Plain ol your opinions on this are duly noted and your choice to stick your ass in the air while your head is on or near the sand is duly noted. You remind me of Chamberlain just prior to WWII. I have no idea what your problem is to deal with existing problems based on the founding ideals and principals of your Nation. You continually harp about religion yet I am sure you don't work during the Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, MLK holidays (I have seen you use that very word..HOLIDAYS...which is indeed a purely Christian invention). I'll even bet that you accept holiday pay/bonuses/overtime compensation if you did work a HOLY DAY. The fact that you are hypocritical in your daily activities is bleeding into your ridiculous posts where you take no stand, post no opinion and deride those that have one. Most people posting have indeed picked a side, made a choice and or decided who they think their friends are... it is obvious from your posts that you are incapable of taking a position other than that of a negative simmering hate. You have my heartfelt sympathies and my prayers that someday you can believe in something that you are not ashamed to share. On Monday, April 21, 2014 1:26:10 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: Garbage Bag Gertie BareNakedIslam posted: Like many participants in the Boston Marathon on Monday, Leanne Scorzoni will be running to honor the victims of last year’s bombing. But Scorzoni will also be running in a hijab: she converted to Islam after the attack, and wants her participation to em New post on *BARE NAKED ISLAM* http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1 BOSTON MARATHON: Woman who converted to Islam in honor of the Boston bombings is running the race this year wearing a Muslim headbaghttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon-woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston-bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/ by BareNakedIslam http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1 Like many participants in the Boston Marathon on Monday, Leanne Scorzoni will be running to honor the victims of last year’s bombing. But Scorzoni will also be running in a hijab: she converted to Islam after the attack, and wants her participation to emphasize that Boston’s Muslim community was also hurt by the bombings. (Gee, […] Read more of this posthttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon-woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston-bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/ *BareNakedIslam http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1* | April 21, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Categories: EnemyWithin-Americanhttp://www.barenakedislam.com/?taxonomy=categoryterm=enemywithin-american| URL: http://wp.me/p276zM-13wE Commenthttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon-woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston-bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/#respond See all commentshttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon-woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston-bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/#comments Unsubscribehttps://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.comb=DDDlLTRoL%2CQSR1gDkPx.Y%26U51z%5DPWPn%3F.liw%2Clpyt51tZLrbMMto no longer receive posts from BARE NAKED ISLAM. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptionshttps://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7f89380f46003915c34c2cdd2b126a38email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com. *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon- woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston- bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/ -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/5-ZPtGWoI8g/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's
Re: Why you should fear your ‘peaceful’ Muslim neighbors
murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.* *And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?* *History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:* *Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.* *Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.* *Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.* *Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.* *In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them.* *Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket.* *Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.* *In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon.* *Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.* *As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.* *Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.* *So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and they also continue to send it on – before it’s too late.* *And we are silent….* [image: 001500560-5-0651050-6510115510] [image: Share] http://www.addtoany.com/share_save By BareNakedIslam • Posted in Just the Factshttp://www.barenakedislam.com/category/just-the-facts/ URL: http://wp.me/p276zM-13nP Commenthttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear-your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/#respond See all commentshttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear-your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/#comments *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear -your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/ __._, __,_._,___ -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ topic/politicalforum/x3nwQpByZ_U/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https
Re: Why you should fear your ‘peaceful’ Muslim neighbors
was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.* *China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.* *The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.* *And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?* *History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:* *Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.* *Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.* *Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.* *Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.* *In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them.* *Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket.* *Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.* *In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon.* *Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.* *As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.* *Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.* *So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and they also continue to send it on – before it’s too late.* *And we are silent….* [image: 001500560-5-0651050-6510115510] [image: Share] http://www.addtoany.com/share_save By BareNakedIslam • Posted in Just the Factshttp://www.barenakedislam.com/category/just-the-facts/ URL: http://wp.me/p276zM-13nP Commenthttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear-your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/#respond See all commentshttp://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear-your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/#comments *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear -your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/ __._, __,_._,___ -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforu...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/x3nwQpByZ_U/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups
Re: How Privileged Are You
You simply shoot them. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Kay kaykay...@gmail.com wrote: How about if a stranger threw a lit match your hair because of your skin color??? How about if a stranger punched you to knock you out because of your skin color?? On Saturday, April 12, 2014 4:36:05 PM UTC-4, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: 34 of 100.NOT PRIVELEDGED On Saturday, April 12, 2014 9:33:42 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/how-privileged-are-you I live with 66 out of 100.Quite Privledged -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/Ml3jyk2qQEI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The Political Party Elites Have Spoken: It's Bush vs. Clinton in 2016
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Re: The Political Party Elites Have Spoken: It's Bush vs. Clinton in 2016
Yes, Obama and the mission in Lybia were indeed gunrunning... there has never been any doubt. The RUMOR that goes with this is that as Speaker Boner was informed and approved of it which is why he will not name a special prosecutor for any of Obamas scandals. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:01:10 PM UTC-5, plainolamerican wrote: WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels. During the frantic early months of the Libyan rebellion, various players motivated by politics or profit -- including an American arms dealer who proposed weapons transfers in an e-mail exchange with a United States emissary later killed in Benghazi -- sought to aid those trying to oust Colonel Qaddafi. But after the White House decided to encourage Qatar -- and on a smaller scale, the United Arab Emirates -- to ship arms to the Libyans, President Obamahttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per complained in April 2011 to the emir of Qatar that his country was not coordinating its actions in Libya with the United States. game, set, match. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:27:59 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: Plain Ol' what evidence do you have of Gun Running? There is none, other than rumor. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Keith In Tampa keithi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't believe that Ambassador Stevens was an outwardly Gay individual, or that his sexuality was a factor in his death. No, I believe that the Ambassador was killed on September 11, 2012, to mark an anniversary so to speak, by fundamentalist (Lower) Jihadist Muslims, to prove a point. It was an act of war, and anyone who supports these barbarians are in fact a traitor to our Nation. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Mark markm...@gmail.com wrote: What is Traitorous is sending a gay ambassador to an Islamic country and then have him negotiate with Fundamentalists. Anyone with their head screwed on from either direction could foresee the outcome especially considering the events in the last 6 months before the attack on the US compound. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Keith In Tampa keithi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't get anyone thinking that it is okay, because there are rumors of covert operations, of an American Ambassador being murdered, period. That's traitorous. And it speaks volumes of the mindset here in the Group. Far left extremism, and naivety. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markm...@gmail.com wrote: Not really wanting to address any single response to this but: Yes, Ambassadors are now being quite openly used as covert negotiators... look at the broad that was in Egypt.. her and her boss are indicted in their very open court process regardless of what one may think of Egyptian justice. Along with Plain ol I agree with him that Stevens was sending arms to the supposed rebels in Syria in direct violation of US law and international agreements. Given the traditions and culture of the mid-east and Northern Africa I have always found Syria rather slimy but they had also helped to stem the advance of ANY fundamentalist activity in that country.. methods not withstanding but understood by the populace. Only the whack jobs objected. The mid-east is an area of the world that has always NEEDED to be ruled...not governed. The only thing they have ever understood was an extremely strong hand when dealing with them. I can not find a single period in written history that did not include war in that area... get over it and isolate them... stop screwing with them and stop trying to convert them to western formats..it will have to come from within as even those that support the move will resent the interference. It is way past time to try to claim that all people are equal and deserve the same rights... they are not and do not. Many simply don't want it and most certainly don't want outsiders helping in the process. Putin is absolutely correct on this one... we do not need immigrants.. they need us... come and assimilate and integrate or don't bother. Those that are here.. assimilate and integrate or get out go back to where ever it is that you want us to emulate. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:19:06 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: Barf on both. B *The Political Party Elites Have Spoken: It's Bush vs. Clinton in 2016* Posted By *Ron Radosh* On March 30, 2014 I have no objections to Jeb Bush running for president. He obviously has a wide appeal as a potential candidate. With a Mexican wife, and as a man who speaks fluent Spanish, he would be able to increase the Hispanic vote in the GOP column
Re: This is where the plane is...
I have no idea what the supposed Red-Line is or whose imagination it sprouted from ... I do know that a Malasia Airlines 777-200ER... the same plane in question flew Eastward from Boeing Field (Seattle) and landed in Kuala Lampur. That's 11,000 miles and 21 hours of air time. Draw a circle from that one. Some one forgot to pull all the Norris Wagner 1999http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#CITEREFNorrisWagner1999, p. 148 info from the net. Including from the Boeing 777 page on wiki of all places. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Kurt Godel passerby...@gmail.com wrote: They know that debris in the water isn't debris. I sure do, and they're in a better position to judge than I am. It's all smokescreen. They are now saying they got that little patch in the South Pacific by using those other concentric circles from the earlier transmissions I mentioned exist and give the location. They say they aren't releasing those for whatever reason. Well, the symmetry isn't broken, and there's a mirror image small patch, smaller, because no drift component, and it's in Xinjiang Communist China with the Uygurs. I sure hope the Communists don't do something dishonorable. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/2LzvbyjPaAA/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: This is where the plane is...
Travis, I completely agree with that. It is being used as a diversion for something bigger. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I am concerned this whole plane thing is a two story item. 1. Plane lost. 2. Plane found. All this crap in between is a total waste of time and takes the news eyes off what is important. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Something is bizarre about this whole We found it on Sunday, decided to have our Prime Minister announce it four days later, and then, we'll all rush out there to see what the Hell it is. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Brian Bednarek bri...@gmail.comwrote: ALso heard on TV that the debris is in a shipping line where things fall off of ships all the time, so until they get there, hard to say what it is ... could be a container off Nikes that fell off a ship!!! On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of observations. First, the Australian government has known about this debris since Sunday, March 16th, yet chose to make it public on Wednesday, (Actually Thursday March 20th, Australian Time)I am not sure that they have actually recovered any of the debris? I am having a hard time deciphering that part of it, apparently they have spotted the debris some 70' below the surface, (yet I have heard other reports stating that the debris is some 16k feet below surface!) Second, I would think that the Prime Minister of Australia making the announcement gives some credibility? Finally, the time line seems confusing to me, yet I have heard a number of folks say that the two lines of thought concerning the time line have not been violated if this turns out to be the wreckage. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea what the supposed Red-Line is or whose imagination it sprouted from ... I do know that a Malasia Airlines 777-200ER... the same plane in question flew Eastward from Boeing Field (Seattle) and landed in Kuala Lampur. That's 11,000 miles and 21 hours of air time. Draw a circle from that one. Some one forgot to pull all the Norris Wagner 1999http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#CITEREFNorrisWagner1999, p. 148 info from the net. Including from the Boeing 777 page on wiki of all places. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Kurt Godel passerby...@gmail.comwrote: They know that debris in the water isn't debris. I sure do, and they're in a better position to judge than I am. It's all smokescreen. They are now saying they got that little patch in the South Pacific by using those other concentric circles from the earlier transmissions I mentioned exist and give the location. They say they aren't releasing those for whatever reason. Well, the symmetry isn't broken, and there's a mirror image small patch, smaller, because no drift component, and it's in Xinjiang Communist China with the Uygurs. I sure hope the Communists don't do something dishonorable. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/2LzvbyjPaAA/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr
Re: This is where the plane is...
If it may have then the chinese knew it when it happened. Those passes are extremely well guarded and fitted with sound, motion, vibration sensors. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Kurt Godel passerby...@gmail.com wrote: The northern corridor projected from satellite and military radar data suggest that the aircraft might have flown through passes through far western China, and Chinese ambassador Huang Huikang said that China had begun search and rescue operations in the area, the official news agency said. Read more at: *http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/32232646.cms?utm_source=contentofinterestutm_medium=textutm_campaign=cppst*http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/32232646.cms?utm_source=contentofinterestutm_medium=textutm_campaign=cppst -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/2LzvbyjPaAA/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: This is where the plane is...
why not Laos, Cambodia and yes Thailand on one of the hundreds of Air America bases that were cargo capable ? The options are literally staggering. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Kurt Godel passerby...@gmail.com wrote: They're now saying that the furthest it can get on that arc, is Western China. That leaves - the very top tip of Thailand, - the top tip of Bangladesh, - right in the middle of the the population centers of 1.3 Billion Chinese - or that map of the Uygurs I attached. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/2LzvbyjPaAA/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: Unemployment 22%
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Re: Should Obama Salute Marines?
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Re: Hugo Chavez dies on 60th anniversary of Stalin's death. One down,....
US citizens are still (relatively) poor and dependent on the government. US officials enter politics as regular guys (income wise) and leave millionaires. Almost all have off shore investments. Presidents (US) have people detained, beaten tortured and its citizens killed. Let's not start on the kool aid drinkers. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: Venezeulans are still poor and dependent on the government His family still has a billion in offshore accounts He still had people beaten killed and raped Hitler, Stalin etc all threw crumbs to some and spent money on window dressing. And dupes are taken in every time On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: Most People are not aware of Hugos bent toward charity. If you check you will find that he spent quite a lot of his supposed personal gains on others. If you were a Latino from Central or South America and had vision problems a simple letter from you and cosigned by a doctor would get you free airfare hotel, food and whatever corrective surgery/treatment was needed... Four people just from my small town (700 people) in Costa Rica received this treatment... all are doing well and there were no strings attached. Do the math and expand just this one seemingly small thing to 30+ other countries and hundreds of millions in population. Lets look at below market prices for heating oil in the Northwest US sponsored by and delivered by CITGO to low income families. Thanks, Hugo. There are many other fine examples of what Hugo paid for... all to help the less fortunate. All to help the needy, all without strings... yet these are NEVER reported or even mentioned in the US media (mainstream or not). Why ?? His rhetoric... the man was verbose... Gringos did not care to hear what he had to say so he said it in a way that drew attention. Tough shit. On Mar 6, 9:14 am, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2013/03/crony-venezuela-chavez-. .. [image: chaves cc] It’s good to be dictator (I guess, so long as one is alive.) Since 1999 when Chavez took power he has taken a big pile of money for himself too. But as they say, you can’t take it with you, and the “Bolivarian” revolutionary in Venezuela is leaving behind quite a lot. Can billionaires really be part of the “vanguard of the proletariat?” (From News From Venezuela) According to Jerry Brewer, president of CJIA, “the personal fortune of the Castro brothers has been estimated at a combined value of around $2 billion.” “The Chávez Frías family in Venezuela has amassed a fortune of a similar scale since the arrival of Chávez to the presidency in 1999,” -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/politicalforum/pUCjOCCVm9I/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups PoliticalForum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to politicalforum+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Zimmerman shooting not a hate crime
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Re: Corruption and the Supreme Court -- But I Repeat Myself
Painol please read my post... A blowjob was not, by statute, sex... it was sodomy a whole other law. It had been that way for a LONG time. It was that way in a lot of jurisdictions and entire states for a LNG time. Sex was also defined by the DC statutes... it did NOT include blowjobs or oral sex. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: True. --- a blowjob is not sex? only a lawyer would make this statement. ever heard of oral sex? If it's not sex let your girlfriend or wife blow your brother or best friend and see how you view it. On Jul 9, 11:17 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark! True. My point, is that Smith missed what the impeachment was even about, in his rant against conservatives and Republicans. Hey Michael! Grin! I like the picture of the three monkeys! On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Kieth, Clinton did not technically lie to Congress... and Congress knew it. Under DC statute at the time a blowjob was not sex or fornication by statute it was Sodomy. Sex and fornication had their own very different definitions. Clinton was NEVER asked about Sodomy. The prosecutor tried the old trick of defining a blowjob as sex just for the trial but it was a trap... and Clinton did not step into it.. he stuck with black letter law definition... and denied having had sex and or fornication. He was correct. On Jul 9, 3:43 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? Neil Smith believes that President Clinton was impeached because he chose to have sex with an intern? Uhm..NoBill Clinton was impeached, because he lied to the United States Congress. This is just one of many of Mr. Smith's fallacies. Right Wing Socialists? Smith lost me before he avoided or attempted to explain what the Hell that term means. Smith later shows his colors, by announcing that All Republicans are socialists. This is another classic example of one who believes he is a Libertarian but in all actuality, Smith is a Moonbat. On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM, MJ micha...@america.net wrote: *America's right wing socialists have consistently maintained that the heart of the issue lies with forcing individuals to buy a product they don't want. They are right, to the microscopic extent they're willing to go, although I doubt they'd argue the same way when it comes, say, to forcing us to buy headlights and taillights for our cars. Theirs is a tactic, I believe, of deliberately built-in weakness, of cold-bloodedly calculated self-sabotage, so that, once the fight is over, and the socialism advocated by both sides has advanced another notch, they can all claim that they did their best to stop it -- the same way that Harry Truman stopped the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. *THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE Number 678, July 8, 2012 *It's important to understand that Republicans are socialists, too, **Corruption and the Supreme Court -- But I Repeat Myself *by L. Neil Smith, ln...@netzero.com E-mailing a friend the other day, she replied to something I said with, I'm afraid the rule of law is over, especially in the United States. Coming, as it did, in the shadow of United States Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' low, craven, belly-crawling, despicable and disgusting betrayal of his oath of office and everything else that the man ever lived by or held sacred, it was a hard statement to argue with. The fact is, Obamacare -- call it by its proper name, medicalized Marxism -- is thoroughly unconstitutional, therefore illegal, and the matter has nothing to do with the neoRepublicanoid mumblings and ravings of an individual who had apparently risen to his level of incompetence (not to mention indecency) when he got out of bed that morning. America's right wing socialists have consistently maintained that the heart of the issue lies with forcing individuals to buy a product they don't want. They are right, to the microscopic extent they're willing to go, although I doubt they'd argue the same way when it comes, say, to forcing us to buy headlights and taillights for our cars. Theirs is a tactic, I believe, of deliberately built-in weakness, of cold-bloodedly calculated self-sabotage, so that, once the fight is over, and the socialism advocated by both sides has advanced another notch, they can all claim that they did their best to stop it -- the same way that Harry Truman stopped the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We've seen it all before, many times if we're old enough, but the most
Re: Corruption and the Supreme Court -- But I Repeat Myself
No, we should not. However that was the rule at the time and had to be adhered to regardless of what you, me or anyone else thought or thinks. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: A blowjob was not, by statute, sex... --- and we should leave it to lawyers to determine what sex is and is not? On Jul 9, 11:42 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Painol please read my post... A blowjob was not, by statute, sex... it was sodomy a whole other law. It had been that way for a LONG time. It was that way in a lot of jurisdictions and entire states for a LNG time. Sex was also defined by the DC statutes... it did NOT include blowjobs or oral sex. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: True. --- a blowjob is not sex? only a lawyer would make this statement. ever heard of oral sex? If it's not sex let your girlfriend or wife blow your brother or best friend and see how you view it. On Jul 9, 11:17 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mark! True. My point, is that Smith missed what the impeachment was even about, in his rant against conservatives and Republicans. Hey Michael! Grin! I like the picture of the three monkeys! On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Kieth, Clinton did not technically lie to Congress... and Congress knew it. Under DC statute at the time a blowjob was not sex or fornication by statute it was Sodomy. Sex and fornication had their own very different definitions. Clinton was NEVER asked about Sodomy. The prosecutor tried the old trick of defining a blowjob as sex just for the trial but it was a trap... and Clinton did not step into it.. he stuck with black letter law definition... and denied having had sex and or fornication. He was correct. On Jul 9, 3:43 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? Neil Smith believes that President Clinton was impeached because he chose to have sex with an intern? Uhm..NoBill Clinton was impeached, because he lied to the United States Congress. This is just one of many of Mr. Smith's fallacies. Right Wing Socialists? Smith lost me before he avoided or attempted to explain what the Hell that term means. Smith later shows his colors, by announcing that All Republicans are socialists. This is another classic example of one who believes he is a Libertarian but in all actuality, Smith is a Moonbat. On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM, MJ micha...@america.net wrote: *America's right wing socialists have consistently maintained that the heart of the issue lies with forcing individuals to buy a product they don't want. They are right, to the microscopic extent they're willing to go, although I doubt they'd argue the same way when it comes, say, to forcing us to buy headlights and taillights for our cars. Theirs is a tactic, I believe, of deliberately built-in weakness, of cold-bloodedly calculated self-sabotage, so that, once the fight is over, and the socialism advocated by both sides has advanced another notch, they can all claim that they did their best to stop it -- the same way that Harry Truman stopped the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. *THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE Number 678, July 8, 2012 *It's important to understand that Republicans are socialists, too, **Corruption and the Supreme Court -- But I Repeat Myself *by L. Neil Smith, ln...@netzero.com E-mailing a friend the other day, she replied to something I said with, I'm afraid the rule of law is over, especially in the United States. Coming, as it did, in the shadow of United States Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' low, craven, belly-crawling, despicable and disgusting betrayal of his oath of office and everything else that the man ever lived by or held sacred, it was a hard statement to argue with. The fact is, Obamacare -- call it by its proper name, medicalized Marxism -- is thoroughly unconstitutional, therefore illegal, and the matter has nothing to do with the neoRepublicanoid mumblings and ravings of an individual who had apparently risen to his level of incompetence (not to mention indecency) when he got out of bed that morning. America's right wing socialists have consistently maintained that the heart of the issue lies with forcing individuals to buy a product they don't want. They are right
Re: The Many, The Gay, The New Marines to Celebrate Gay Pride Month
Everyone is legal yes. But there are limits within the permits issued as there is with ALL permits. These limits are set by the communities (in this case ..the state) that issues them. Hearings are held, votes are taken and the majority win... in this case the ONLY thing that sets the gay community apart from the straight community is sexual proclivity... this is NOT a federally controlled activity and therefore is not entitled to protection / thank god it is not... I do not want the feds in my or anyone elses' bedroom do you? Once the door is opened it can never be shut as to scope or purpose. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:17 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: In most of Europe this is rather simple... Here in Costa Rica as well EVERYONE gets a civil union (legal). You can then go to the church of your choice and be married... --- works for me ... but then I'm not gay. that way everyone is legal, with the SAME rights ... and any church that wants to marry gays can do so or not On Jun 21, 6:43 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: not true ... they can't marry each other Neither can I...Thats called equality. In most of Europe this is rather simple... Here in Costa Rica as well EVERYONE gets a civil union (legal). You can then go to the church of your choice and be married... On Thu, Jun 2ity 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: This is where Plain Ol puts on his blinders. He refuses to acknowledge that homosexuals have the same, identical rights and privileges as we do --- bs ... gays can't marry gays They can marry anyone, just like I can --- not true ... they can't marry each other They want to get away from the religious connotations of marriage, --- religion doesn't own marriage civil unions are unacceptable to secuarlists and militant homosexuals. --- they want marriage ... and they'll get it, regardless of what the myth believing religious want On Jun 21, 1:26 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: This is where Plain Ol puts on his blinders. He refuses to acknowledge that homosexuals have the same, identical rights and privileges as we do..The statement that Gays can't get married is, as you said Mark, patently false. They can marry anyone, just like I can, who will marry them. The distinction, (and again, Plain Ol doesn't want to acknowledge this) is that secularists and Gay militants want to change the definition of marriage. They want to get away from the religious connotations of marriage, (re-writing history for the secularists) and shoving down an alternative lifestyle as being, normal from the militant Gay standpoint. Again, equality has nothing to do with it; as civil unions are unacceptable to secuarlists and militant homosexuals. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. That is patently false and you well know it. Any man (Gay or not) may marry any woman... he so desires and that will agree. Gays and Straights alike are limited to this. The vast majority of the US population (for whatever reason and as evidenced in 33 popular votes in 33 Sovereign States have said so. I want to build to my lot line, nobody in my neighborhood can get a permit variance for that either... yet it is MY land and I would love the extra security and other soft warm fuzzy feelings that would come with it... Ten states now have legally equal laws on the books for Gay Civil Unions. Yet in every one of those states they want the word Marriage on that permit... So you see it is NOT equal rights... they have them in at least ten states... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Even I don't have that right... --- yes you do ... all you have to do is buy a permit If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. --- no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. it's the religious who persecute homosexuals. again, I don't have a dog in this fight but I do recognize persecution when I see it. our sexual preferences are ours ... not to be impeded by the state or the religious. On Jun 20, 3:41 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: to get married ... for starters Even I don't have that right... I have to buy a permit. If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. Try again. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote
Re: The Many, The Gay, The New Marines to Celebrate Gay Pride Month
not true ... they can't marry each other Neither can I...Thats called equality. In most of Europe this is rather simple... Here in Costa Rica as well EVERYONE gets a civil union (legal). You can then go to the church of your choice and be married... On Thu, Jun 2ity 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: This is where Plain Ol puts on his blinders. He refuses to acknowledge that homosexuals have the same, identical rights and privileges as we do --- bs ... gays can't marry gays They can marry anyone, just like I can --- not true ... they can't marry each other They want to get away from the religious connotations of marriage, --- religion doesn't own marriage civil unions are unacceptable to secuarlists and militant homosexuals. --- they want marriage ... and they'll get it, regardless of what the myth believing religious want On Jun 21, 1:26 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: This is where Plain Ol puts on his blinders. He refuses to acknowledge that homosexuals have the same, identical rights and privileges as we do..The statement that Gays can't get married is, as you said Mark, patently false. They can marry anyone, just like I can, who will marry them. The distinction, (and again, Plain Ol doesn't want to acknowledge this) is that secularists and Gay militants want to change the definition of marriage. They want to get away from the religious connotations of marriage, (re-writing history for the secularists) and shoving down an alternative lifestyle as being, normal from the militant Gay standpoint. Again, equality has nothing to do with it; as civil unions are unacceptable to secuarlists and militant homosexuals. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. That is patently false and you well know it. Any man (Gay or not) may marry any woman... he so desires and that will agree. Gays and Straights alike are limited to this. The vast majority of the US population (for whatever reason and as evidenced in 33 popular votes in 33 Sovereign States have said so. I want to build to my lot line, nobody in my neighborhood can get a permit variance for that either... yet it is MY land and I would love the extra security and other soft warm fuzzy feelings that would come with it... Ten states now have legally equal laws on the books for Gay Civil Unions. Yet in every one of those states they want the word Marriage on that permit... So you see it is NOT equal rights... they have them in at least ten states... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Even I don't have that right... --- yes you do ... all you have to do is buy a permit If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. --- no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. it's the religious who persecute homosexuals. again, I don't have a dog in this fight but I do recognize persecution when I see it. our sexual preferences are ours ... not to be impeded by the state or the religious. On Jun 20, 3:41 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: to get married ... for starters Even I don't have that right... I have to buy a permit. If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. Try again. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? --- to get married ... for starters On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: they want the same rights ... not more rights EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? This is one question no one on the pro Gay side has ever been able to answer... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: If you think that I am some type of Bible thumping zealot, you are very much mistaken. --- did I imply that you are? I find it somewhat humorous, but mostly disturbing that folks like you get your drawers all up in a wad over Christians, --- accusation noted and completely false and that we are pretty much the majority in this Nation. We don't make a big fuss about much; we don't have a lot of demands.The far left mock us; the secularists like yourself want to see us wiped from the history books; and yet, we continue to Continue On, keeping a low profile, and having, Faith. --- you are more than welcome to keep your faith I have no objections to, or any problems
Re: The Many, The Gay, The New Marines to Celebrate Gay Pride Month
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Re: The Many, The Gay, The New Marines to Celebrate Gay Pride Month
to get married ... for starters Even I don't have that right... I have to buy a permit. If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. Try again. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? --- to get married ... for starters On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: they want the same rights ... not more rights EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? This is one question no one on the pro Gay side has ever been able to answer... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: If you think that I am some type of Bible thumping zealot, you are very much mistaken. --- did I imply that you are? I find it somewhat humorous, but mostly disturbing that folks like you get your drawers all up in a wad over Christians, --- accusation noted and completely false and that we are pretty much the majority in this Nation. We don't make a big fuss about much; we don't have a lot of demands.The far left mock us; the secularists like yourself want to see us wiped from the history books; and yet, we continue to Continue On, keeping a low profile, and having, Faith. --- you are more than welcome to keep your faith I have no objections to, or any problems with homosexuals, and whatever it is that they do. --- so, you don't believe that homosexuality is sinful like most other christians, jews, and muzzies? It might be a wonderful thing for all I know, and their lifestyle(s) might truly be Da Big Big Party; again, I don't know. I do know that when ANY group or organization starts clamoring for more rights and privileges than you or I have, because of their behavior; just like when I smell horse hockey, I usually say as much. --- they want the same rights ... not more rights On Jun 20, 10:19 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Plain Ol, If you think that I am some type of Bible thumping zealot, you are very much mistaken. I am a Christian, and have not a problem admitting to that, or being ashamed of my, Faith, (and I emphasize that Faith is the operative word there). I'm not, Fishing For Men; I'm not out on the street corner handing out leaflets, nor do I go to folks houses on Saturday mornings trying to get them to hear, The Word. I find it somewhat humorous, but mostly disturbing that folks like you get your drawers all up in a wad over Christians, and that we are pretty much the majority in this Nation. We don't make a big fuss about much; we don't have a lot of demands.The far left mock us; the secularists like yourself want to see us wiped from the history books; and yet, we continue to Continue On, keeping a low profile, and having, Faith. I have no objections to, or any problems with homosexuals, and whatever it is that they do. It might be a wonderful thing for all I know, and their lifestyle(s) might truly be Da Big Big Party; again, I don't know. I do know that when ANY group or organization starts clamoring for more rights and privileges than you or I have, because of their behavior; just like when I smell horse hockey, I usually say as much. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:46 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: It's just a matter of time before the lid blows off of this whole fraud. --- you're right ... the religious in the military need to be muzzled like rabid dogs. the military is going to say enough --- and American will tell them to stfu or get out. DADT is the best that the religious in the military can hope for. On Jun 20, 1:50 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: It's just a matter of time before the lid blows off of this whole fraud. The first Gay Pride parade, where folks are parading around with their uniforms all gussied up, and/or there will be some Gay Drama from the likes of someone like Lil'TommyTomTomForNews, shit will literally hit the fan, and the military is going to say enough. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:20 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: only DADT stopped the enforcement of these policies. --- as it should The tide will soon turn and the complaints will start. warmongers are hardly concerned about gay rights On Jun 19, 2:11 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, Plainol... all the draconian laws that persecuted and prosecuted Gays before DADT was put in place are now back on the books... only DADT
Re: The Many, The Gay, The New Marines to Celebrate Gay Pride Month
no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. That is patently false and you well know it. Any man (Gay or not) may marry any woman... he so desires and that will agree. Gays and Straights alike are limited to this. The vast majority of the US population (for whatever reason and as evidenced in 33 popular votes in 33 Sovereign States have said so. I want to build to my lot line, nobody in my neighborhood can get a permit variance for that either... yet it is MY land and I would love the extra security and other soft warm fuzzy feelings that would come with it... Ten states now have legally equal laws on the books for Gay Civil Unions. Yet in every one of those states they want the word Marriage on that permit... So you see it is NOT equal rights... they have them in at least ten states... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Even I don't have that right... --- yes you do ... all you have to do is buy a permit If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. --- no they don't as gays aren't 'allowed' to get married. it's the religious who persecute homosexuals. again, I don't have a dog in this fight but I do recognize persecution when I see it. our sexual preferences are ours ... not to be impeded by the state or the religious. On Jun 20, 3:41 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: to get married ... for starters Even I don't have that right... I have to buy a permit. If i choose to buy a permit the very same rules apply to me and the Gay guy... and they apply equally. Try again. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? --- to get married ... for starters On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: they want the same rights ... not more rights EXACTLY what right don't they have that I do ?? This is one question no one on the pro Gay side has ever been able to answer... On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: If you think that I am some type of Bible thumping zealot, you are very much mistaken. --- did I imply that you are? I find it somewhat humorous, but mostly disturbing that folks like you get your drawers all up in a wad over Christians, --- accusation noted and completely false and that we are pretty much the majority in this Nation. We don't make a big fuss about much; we don't have a lot of demands.The far left mock us; the secularists like yourself want to see us wiped from the history books; and yet, we continue to Continue On, keeping a low profile, and having, Faith. --- you are more than welcome to keep your faith I have no objections to, or any problems with homosexuals, and whatever it is that they do. --- so, you don't believe that homosexuality is sinful like most other christians, jews, and muzzies? It might be a wonderful thing for all I know, and their lifestyle(s) might truly be Da Big Big Party; again, I don't know. I do know that when ANY group or organization starts clamoring for more rights and privileges than you or I have, because of their behavior; just like when I smell horse hockey, I usually say as much. --- they want the same rights ... not more rights On Jun 20, 10:19 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Plain Ol, If you think that I am some type of Bible thumping zealot, you are very much mistaken. I am a Christian, and have not a problem admitting to that, or being ashamed of my, Faith, (and I emphasize that Faith is the operative word there). I'm not, Fishing For Men; I'm not out on the street corner handing out leaflets, nor do I go to folks houses on Saturday mornings trying to get them to hear, The Word. I find it somewhat humorous, but mostly disturbing that folks like you get your drawers all up in a wad over Christians, and that we are pretty much the majority in this Nation. We don't make a big fuss about much; we don't have a lot of demands.The far left mock us; the secularists like yourself want to see us wiped from the history books; and yet, we continue to Continue On, keeping a low profile, and having, Faith. I have no objections to, or any problems with homosexuals, and whatever it is that they do. It might be a wonderful thing for all I know, and their lifestyle(s) might truly be Da Big Big Party; again, I don't know. I do know that when ANY group or organization starts clamoring for more
Re: Jesus Akbar
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Re: shut up and let men do all the deciding about your bodies
vagina during the debate (I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.) grossed her male colleagues out. What word should I have said? she asked. Apparently, vagina is another v-word that Must Not Be Named. Like Voldemort. Brown's looking into her post-ban legal options, as her inability to speak on the floor of the House means that her constituents are effectively unable to have their Representative weigh in. Both women have been told (through their party leader because Michigan Republicans are trying to break the douchebaggery land speed record) that the ban is indefinite. Women have been absent from the debate around a bill that seeks to govern their bodies from Day 1. During committee, no pro-choice women were allowed to speak. Planned Parenthood was barred from testifying. And now this — two pro-choice female legislators all-out banned from voicing an opinion on the state's role in their anatomy. This is un- fucking-believable, and inexcusable. To borrow a phrase from my grandmother, Michigan Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. Let this be a lesson to you, women: shut up and let men do all the deciding about your bodies. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: 25,000 “holding cells” will be built for “infiltrators” in Israel
Sorry, but it just is not so... Israelis may wed anyone from any country that recognizes Israels right to exist as a nation and bring them home with them... the only restriction is on a foreign born and educated spouse from a country or territory that denies Israels right to exist... I see nothing wrong with this decision. This does not qualify as Apartheid. The West Bank and Gaza nut jobs are just as unwelcome in any other Arab State as they are in Israel. More of them work and study in Israel than well... none of them are allowed in to study or work in the neighboring Arab States.. Israel would have no objection to these lands being absorbed by the nearest neighbors... Syria and Egypt... but Syria and Egypt don't want them On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: There is no apartheid --- almost everyone except the jews disagrees with you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy On Jun 19, 2:20 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I was just there last year There is no apartheid for anyone that is in the country legally and there is no apartheid for those that are there illegally, they are all in the same cages. Hell, I went with an Iranian and all they said was Welcome to Israel, but then he entered legally Choose sides carefully... you did not do so here. On Jun 19, 1:00 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: the article is not about America ... it's about the apartheid state of israel. On Jun 19, 1:45 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Plainol... ICE has such places in operation in the US ... Nothing new. On Jun 19, 9:42 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: The Israeli government has announced that 25,000 “holding cells” will be built for “infiltrators”—a move, which, if duplicated in any other country on earth, would instantly have the Jewish lobbies wailing about “concentration camps.” According to a report in the Israeli news service Ynet, the Israeli Defense Ministry “says all new infiltrators will be sent to one of five holding facilities from now on.” Using the phrase “infiltrators” as a fact (obviously in accordance with instructions from above), all Israeli news sources have presented the flood of African refugees entering Israel as a threat to the “Jewish nature” of Israel. At the same time, Jewish lobbies across the western world have been at the forefront of promoting mass immigration to those nations. The new facilities will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Israel Prison Service and Ministry of the Interior. Meanwhile, the construction of a fence on the Egyptian border continues at a speed of one kilometer per day. According to the Defense Ministry, 95% of the fence will be completed by October of this year. More than 170 kilometers have already been built so far. Ynet news continues: “Devised by Defense Ministry Director Udi Shani in conjunction with the IDF, the plan aims to see all new infiltrators sent directly to holding facilities, where they will spend long periods of times. Three new facilities are set to be built in the Keziot compound and join the Prison Service’s Saharonim holding facility and Keziot prison. According to the Defense Ministry’s statement, the preparation of water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is at an advanced stage. Construction of the fence is set to be complete by early 2013. More than 100 contractors who won Defense Ministry contracts are working simultaneously along the Egypt border, operating 480 pieces of heavy machinery. In a special meeting on the issue, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu listed steps which he said were meant to “solve the infiltrator problem,” including construction of holding facilities and sanctions against employers of infiltrators. He noted that Interior Minister Eli Yishai is preparing the “removal of the infiltrators” and that the internal security minister will aim to arrest criminal infiltrators in the Tel Aviv area. “These means and others will start to reverse the trend and we will begin to solve it. It’s a tough problem but we’re handing it,” Netanyahu said. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http
Re: 25,000 “holding cells” will be built for “infiltrators” in Israel
By the way... that terrible fence just south of Jerusalem is two strands of barbed wire that would not stop a grazing cow the same is true of the West Bank... OH!!! The Humanity On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: There is no apartheid --- almost everyone except the jews disagrees with you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy On Jun 19, 2:20 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I was just there last year There is no apartheid for anyone that is in the country legally and there is no apartheid for those that are there illegally, they are all in the same cages. Hell, I went with an Iranian and all they said was Welcome to Israel, but then he entered legally Choose sides carefully... you did not do so here. On Jun 19, 1:00 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: the article is not about America ... it's about the apartheid state of israel. On Jun 19, 1:45 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Plainol... ICE has such places in operation in the US ... Nothing new. On Jun 19, 9:42 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: The Israeli government has announced that 25,000 “holding cells” will be built for “infiltrators”—a move, which, if duplicated in any other country on earth, would instantly have the Jewish lobbies wailing about “concentration camps.” According to a report in the Israeli news service Ynet, the Israeli Defense Ministry “says all new infiltrators will be sent to one of five holding facilities from now on.” Using the phrase “infiltrators” as a fact (obviously in accordance with instructions from above), all Israeli news sources have presented the flood of African refugees entering Israel as a threat to the “Jewish nature” of Israel. At the same time, Jewish lobbies across the western world have been at the forefront of promoting mass immigration to those nations. The new facilities will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Israel Prison Service and Ministry of the Interior. Meanwhile, the construction of a fence on the Egyptian border continues at a speed of one kilometer per day. According to the Defense Ministry, 95% of the fence will be completed by October of this year. More than 170 kilometers have already been built so far. Ynet news continues: “Devised by Defense Ministry Director Udi Shani in conjunction with the IDF, the plan aims to see all new infiltrators sent directly to holding facilities, where they will spend long periods of times. Three new facilities are set to be built in the Keziot compound and join the Prison Service’s Saharonim holding facility and Keziot prison. According to the Defense Ministry’s statement, the preparation of water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is at an advanced stage. Construction of the fence is set to be complete by early 2013. More than 100 contractors who won Defense Ministry contracts are working simultaneously along the Egypt border, operating 480 pieces of heavy machinery. In a special meeting on the issue, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu listed steps which he said were meant to “solve the infiltrator problem,” including construction of holding facilities and sanctions against employers of infiltrators. He noted that Interior Minister Eli Yishai is preparing the “removal of the infiltrators” and that the internal security minister will aim to arrest criminal infiltrators in the Tel Aviv area. “These means and others will start to reverse the trend and we will begin to solve it. It’s a tough problem but we’re handing it,” Netanyahu said. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: More TSA rights abuse porn
then bent down and specifically targeted Chris’s crotch. Using the front of his hands, he pressed against his genitals and swept his hands across the crotch three times across, and then pressed at the top of his genitals and wiped his hands down three times. Make no mistake: outside of the airport this would be considered molestation. And in the airport, it is considered molestation — by any decent, rights-respecting, Constitution-loving person. A commenter on her site posted this about the TSA’s thuggish order that Loesch stop videotaping: *UPDATE: Jimi971 notes this: TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at security checkpoints, as long as the screening process is not interfered with or slowed down. We do ask you to not film or take pictures of the monitors. While the TSA does not prohibit photographs at screening locations, local laws, state statutes, or local ordinances might. I urge people to stand up to the TSA. *Don’t go quietly* http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tsa-335352-agent-rights.htmlwhen your rights are taken from you. Don’t let TSA workers walk past you in the airport without telling them that they are horrible people for taking money to violate Americans’ rights. Take names of the people who violate you, and name them far and wide — on blogs, on Twitter, and anywhere else you can. And speak up to everyone you can and in every venue you can about how dangerous it is that we are allowing this march to a police state we call “security” to continue. Yes, that’s right — we are well on our way to becoming a police state, and this is not hyperbole. Just think back to 2000, and how you would have reacted if somebody told you that you had to have your genitals groped to get on an airplane. We’re not safer because of this — but Americans are being primed to be obedient little drones in the face of having their rights taken from them. The videotape Loesch did get: I’d love to see her get and post far and wide the name of the government-employed thug who violated her husband’s body and rights. ** https://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/3IU_o1Q5-aYqp0V1qsm1q65uXPc/OpY-... ** https://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/3IU_o1Q5-aYqp0V1qsm1q65uXPc/OpY-... ** ** You are subscribed to email updates from TSA News http://tsanewsblog.com To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=3IU_o1Q5-aYqp0V1q... . Email delivery powered by Google Google Inc., 20 West Kinzie, Chicago IL USA 60610 ** ** __._,_.___ Reply to sender beow...@westerndefense.net?subject=Re%3A%20More%20TSA%20rights%20abuse%20porn%20 | Reply to group grendelrep...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20More%20TSA%20rights%20abuse%20porn%20 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnFycGZ... Recent Activity: - New Members http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNHZ0... 1 Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grendelreport;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaGxiODNiBF9T... [image: Yahoo! Groups] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY2s5aTkyBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycEl... Switch to: Text-Only grendelreport-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional , Daily Digest grendelreport-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest• Unsubscribe grendelreport-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe• Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: More TSA rights abuse porn
I find it strange that almost any airport in the world that is outside the US is more or at minimum, as secure (speaking of non-african and mid east) as the US. airports and without the stupid groping. I do not fly to or through the US because I find it offensive that I must surrender my 4th amendment rights to do so. I am amazed that you and the rest of the sheep do not when there are other methods that are NOT invasive that are proven more effective. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. --- because of airport security? you would rather there be no security? On Jun 13, 9:22 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: If as you say it is about airport security then the searches would take place at the entrance to the airport. If it were true that it was about security at all they would use the very best methods available... profiling... yet they do not. They claim, as you do, that for me to surrender my fourth amendment rights is necessary, yet profiling is unconstitutional and unfairly targets minorities. Last time I looked Grandma and or that retarded 10 year old or the 18 month old with shitty diapers aren't associated with any known groups that flew into the towers or wore exploding underwear... It was Muslim men between 18 and 40 that were clean shaven. I would gladly give up my rights to not be profiled... I do not choose to give up my right to not be groped. No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:09 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: What a lame answer and excuse. --- what a lame reply! if you can't see the necessity in TSA searches then you're severely misguided. Have you forgotten the enemy is among us? allowing searches for airport security is smart ... not an attack on liberty. The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. --- while true ... these searches are about airport security On Jun 12, 4:43 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: everyone, including you and your husband, must agree to searches ... it's the law and it's for our protection I do not MUST agree... The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. What a lame answer and excuse. On Jun 12, 10:56 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: What I am offended by is the obscene constant daily violation by the TSA of Americans’ Fourth Amendment right to not be searched without probable cause. --- sorry ... everyone, including you and your husband, must agree to searches ... it's the law and it's for our protection On Jun 12, 10:51 am, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: ** -- *More TSA rights abuse porn* http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tsanewsblog/Azgs/~3/vAMVzWjbZdE/?utm_s.. . Posted: 11 Jun 2012 02:41 AM PDT I’m not offended by traditional porn — the kind with naked people and and kinky this and that (as long as it isn’t kiddie porn and as long as the participants are consenting adults). What I am offended by is the obscene constant daily violation by the TSA of Americans’ Fourth Amendment right to not be searched without probable cause. There was yet another disgusting TSA-inflicted ball-grabbing — that became an intense disgusting TSA-inflicted ball probing — of the *husband of conservative commentator Dana Loesch* http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/a-date-with-the-tsa/ : He was subjected to the standard pat-down: back of the hands, check your waistband, run hands up and down the inside of the leg stopping at the groin. When the agent went to check his gloves he claimed that something on his gloves “set off the alarm” at which point informed us that Chris would be subjected to another pat-down and his luggage searched. He was not given the choice as to whether or not he wanted a private or public screening for the second, more invasive pat-down. At this point we were becoming annoyed as we’d been detained for around 25 minutes minutes already (the entire screening process took about 45 minutes) and were concerned that we would miss our flight. I flipped on my camera after we had been escorted into the private room and kept it vertical, rather than horizontal, to look less confrontational. The TSA agent informed us, as he snapped on his blue latex gloves, that he would be performing another pat-down
Re: More TSA rights abuse porn
but you still consider yourself American Yes, along with every inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere. I was born a US Citizen (German as well) and do indeed have 4th amendment rights. As to passenger attacks on airports... I stand correct. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: I find it strange that almost any airport in the world that is outside the US is more or at minimum, as secure (speaking of non-african and mid east) as the US. airports and without the stupid groping. --- not true google 'airport attacks' and tell us how many US airports have been attacked and how many planes have been hijacked compared to other nations. I do not fly to or through the US because I find it offensive that I must surrender my 4th amendment rights to do so. I am amazed that you and the rest of the sheep do not when there are other methods that are NOT invasive that are proven more effective. --- you said you don't fly to or through the US anymore but you still consider yourself American and want to keep your 4th amendment rights? choose sides carefully On Jun 13, 11:04 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I find it strange that almost any airport in the world that is outside the US is more or at minimum, as secure (speaking of non-african and mid east) as the US. airports and without the stupid groping. I do not fly to or through the US because I find it offensive that I must surrender my 4th amendment rights to do so. I am amazed that you and the rest of the sheep do not when there are other methods that are NOT invasive that are proven more effective. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. --- because of airport security? you would rather there be no security? On Jun 13, 9:22 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: If as you say it is about airport security then the searches would take place at the entrance to the airport. If it were true that it was about security at all they would use the very best methods available... profiling... yet they do not. They claim, as you do, that for me to surrender my fourth amendment rights is necessary, yet profiling is unconstitutional and unfairly targets minorities. Last time I looked Grandma and or that retarded 10 year old or the 18 month old with shitty diapers aren't associated with any known groups that flew into the towers or wore exploding underwear... It was Muslim men between 18 and 40 that were clean shaven. I would gladly give up my rights to not be profiled... I do not choose to give up my right to not be groped. No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:09 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: What a lame answer and excuse. --- what a lame reply! if you can't see the necessity in TSA searches then you're severely misguided. Have you forgotten the enemy is among us? allowing searches for airport security is smart ... not an attack on liberty. The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. --- while true ... these searches are about airport security On Jun 12, 4:43 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: everyone, including you and your husband, must agree to searches ... it's the law and it's for our protection I do not MUST agree... The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. What a lame answer and excuse. On Jun 12, 10:56 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: What I am offended by is the obscene constant daily violation by the TSA of Americans’ Fourth Amendment right to not be searched without probable cause. --- sorry ... everyone, including you and your husband, must agree to searches ... it's the law and it's for our protection On Jun 12, 10:51 am, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: ** -- *More TSA rights abuse porn* http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tsanewsblog/Azgs/~3/vAMVzWjbZdE/?utm_s.. . Posted: 11 Jun 2012 02:41 AM PDT I’m not offended by traditional porn — the kind with naked people and and kinky this and that (as long as it isn’t kiddie porn and as long as the participants are consenting adults). What I am offended by is the obscene constant daily violation by the TSA of Americans’ Fourth Amendment right to not be searched without probable
Re: More TSA rights abuse porn
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: but you still consider yourself American -- Yes, along with every inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere. nobody except US citizens call themselves Americans ... nobody You need to get out more... a lot more. I was born a US Citizen (German as well) and do indeed have 4th amendment rights. --- a lot of good they'll do you in Germany ... LOL I live in Costa Rica... I am also a citizen here. As to passenger attacks on airports... I stand correct. --- you stand corrected No, I am correct. On Jun 13, 11:37 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: but you still consider yourself American Yes, along with every inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere. I was born a US Citizen (German as well) and do indeed have 4th amendment rights. As to passenger attacks on airports... I stand correct. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: I find it strange that almost any airport in the world that is outside the US is more or at minimum, as secure (speaking of non-african and mid east) as the US. airports and without the stupid groping. --- not true google 'airport attacks' and tell us how many US airports have been attacked and how many planes have been hijacked compared to other nations. I do not fly to or through the US because I find it offensive that I must surrender my 4th amendment rights to do so. I am amazed that you and the rest of the sheep do not when there are other methods that are NOT invasive that are proven more effective. --- you said you don't fly to or through the US anymore but you still consider yourself American and want to keep your 4th amendment rights? choose sides carefully On Jun 13, 11:04 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I find it strange that almost any airport in the world that is outside the US is more or at minimum, as secure (speaking of non-african and mid east) as the US. airports and without the stupid groping. I do not fly to or through the US because I find it offensive that I must surrender my 4th amendment rights to do so. I am amazed that you and the rest of the sheep do not when there are other methods that are NOT invasive that are proven more effective. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. --- because of airport security? you would rather there be no security? On Jun 13, 9:22 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: If as you say it is about airport security then the searches would take place at the entrance to the airport. If it were true that it was about security at all they would use the very best methods available... profiling... yet they do not. They claim, as you do, that for me to surrender my fourth amendment rights is necessary, yet profiling is unconstitutional and unfairly targets minorities. Last time I looked Grandma and or that retarded 10 year old or the 18 month old with shitty diapers aren't associated with any known groups that flew into the towers or wore exploding underwear... It was Muslim men between 18 and 40 that were clean shaven. I would gladly give up my rights to not be profiled... I do not choose to give up my right to not be groped. No, I do not fly to or through the US any more. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:09 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: What a lame answer and excuse. --- what a lame reply! if you can't see the necessity in TSA searches then you're severely misguided. Have you forgotten the enemy is among us? allowing searches for airport security is smart ... not an attack on liberty. The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. --- while true ... these searches are about airport security On Jun 12, 4:43 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: everyone, including you and your husband, must agree to searches ... it's the law and it's for our protection I do not MUST agree... The scotus has often indicated in its rulings that it is NOT the duty of any law enforcement officer to protect any citizen. What a lame answer and excuse. On Jun 12, 10:56 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: What I am offended by is the obscene constant daily violation by the TSA of Americans’ Fourth Amendment right to not be searched without
Re: For our American cousins who are still arguing about same sex marriage.
in the Buchenwald concentration camp, also noted the homosexuality of certain guards. In Medical Block Buchenwald Poller describes the camp practice of mass beatings, and reports on the perverse pleasure these guards derived from the torment of the prisoners: If the camp doctor happened to pass by after a mass whipping, and knew that a certain type of homosexual ScharFuehrer [platoon leader] and SS officer stood at a certain gate, he arranged a little special entertainment for them, which he called a medical examination (Poller: 103). Poller leaves the details of these “medical examinations” to our imagination. But this brief glimpse into the ranks of the SS guards reveals ... read more » -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: For our American cousins who are still arguing about same sex marriage.
We all knew of these situations... the point of this post is ??? On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: New York Times By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN Published: May 26, 1987 During the Holocaust memorial ceremony in Brighton Beach last June, each of the neighborhood's synagogues sent forth one of its faithful to light a candle. A stooped old man named Jacob Tannenbaum represented Temple Beth El, and those who attended the service recall that as he lit the wick he began to cry. And so did the friends who knew that Mr. Tannenbaum himself was a survivor, the sole survivor from a family of 12. Now the same Mr. Tannenbaum is accused by Federal authorities of wartime atrocities; of viciously beating his fellow prisoners while serving as a kapo, or overseer, in a forced-labor camp. The Justice Department has moved to rescind the 75-year-old Mr. Tannenbaum's citizenship in the first step toward potential deportation. Only three times before has the United States charged a Jew with collaborating with the Nazis, and only once was the man ordered out of the country. On Jun 3, 11:22 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: The reason you hate to bring it up is that some 20% of the concentration camps were homosexuals. --- wrong ... the reason I had reservations about using this example is because imo we've all heard lies and propaganda about the concentration camps For while any prisoner could be chosen as a Kapo (a slave overseer), none other of the interned groups except homosexuals had counterparts among the Nazi guards and administrators --- not true ... there were jewish Kapos True... reading comprehension please On Jun 3, 9:10 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The reason you hate to bring it up is that some 20% of the concentration camps were homosexuals. Homosexuals were sent to labor not death camps as a whole and never comprised more than 1% of any camp population (yet up to 20% of the guard force). Almost all were sent to the camps for violations of the common law... not simply because they were Gay... HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS We have now arrived at one of the most sensitive topics in our discussion of homosexuality in Nazi Germany. As we have noted, revisionists have attempted to define homosexuals as a class of people who were “targeted for extermination” by the Nazis. One homosexual group went so far as to stage a high-profile “pilgrimage” to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem in May of 1994. They were met by a delegation of Jewish Holocaust survivors who were so overcome with outrage that some of them had to be restrained from physically assaulting the contingent of (mostly American) political activists. One man cried, “My grandfather was killed for refusing to have sexual relations with the camp commandant. You are desecrating this place...” (The Jerusalem Post, May 30, 1994). Yet, as we have noted, some homosexuals did in fact die in Nazi concentration camps. We do not diminish the tragedy of any life lost under the Nazi reign of terror; however, we must reject the implication that homosexuals as a class should be given moral equivalency to the Jewish people and other victims of genocide. There are five reasons why we must reject this claim of the revisionists. First, we know that regardless of Himmler’s anti-homosexual rhetoric, homosexuals as a class were never targeted for extermination, as their continued role in the Third Reich demonstrates. Second, those homosexuals who died did so primarily as the result of mistreatment and disease in slave-labor camps -- not in the gas chambers. As reported in the Washington Blade 230Homosexuality in the Concentration Camps John Fout, professor of history...said his research shows that about 50,000 men were imprisoned for homosexual related “offenses” by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945. Most of them, he said, were imprisoned for relatively short sentences and in regular German prisons, not concentration camps as has been generally believed (Researcher says Nazi persecution not systematic, The Washington Blade, May 22, 1998). Third, though we cannot condone the form of punishment meted out by the Nazis, homosexual sodomy was a legitimate crime of long- standing for which individuals were being jailed both before and after the Nazi Regime (and in this country during the same time period). Indeed, Fout acknowledges that rather than being arrested indiscriminately simply for “being” a homosexual, “the overwhelming majority of those arrested...were charged with engaging in sex
Re: For our American cousins who are still arguing about same sex marriage.
* while any prisoner could be chosen as a Kapo * You obviously missed this part of my post that you put/pasted in one of your own replies... On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: TAO's article stated that: none other of the interned groups except homosexuals had counterparts among the Nazi guards and administrators -- which is not true On Jun 3, 8:29 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: We all knew of these situations... the point of this post is ??? On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: New York Times By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN Published: May 26, 1987 During the Holocaust memorial ceremony in Brighton Beach last June, each of the neighborhood's synagogues sent forth one of its faithful to light a candle. A stooped old man named Jacob Tannenbaum represented Temple Beth El, and those who attended the service recall that as he lit the wick he began to cry. And so did the friends who knew that Mr. Tannenbaum himself was a survivor, the sole survivor from a family of 12. Now the same Mr. Tannenbaum is accused by Federal authorities of wartime atrocities; of viciously beating his fellow prisoners while serving as a kapo, or overseer, in a forced-labor camp. The Justice Department has moved to rescind the 75-year-old Mr. Tannenbaum's citizenship in the first step toward potential deportation. Only three times before has the United States charged a Jew with collaborating with the Nazis, and only once was the man ordered out of the country. On Jun 3, 11:22 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: The reason you hate to bring it up is that some 20% of the concentration camps were homosexuals. --- wrong ... the reason I had reservations about using this example is because imo we've all heard lies and propaganda about the concentration camps For while any prisoner could be chosen as a Kapo (a slave overseer), none other of the interned groups except homosexuals had counterparts among the Nazi guards and administrators --- not true ... there were jewish Kapos True... reading comprehension please On Jun 3, 9:10 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The reason you hate to bring it up is that some 20% of the concentration camps were homosexuals. Homosexuals were sent to labor not death camps as a whole and never comprised more than 1% of any camp population (yet up to 20% of the guard force). Almost all were sent to the camps for violations of the common law... not simply because they were Gay... HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS We have now arrived at one of the most sensitive topics in our discussion of homosexuality in Nazi Germany. As we have noted, revisionists have attempted to define homosexuals as a class of people who were “targeted for extermination” by the Nazis. One homosexual group went so far as to stage a high-profile “pilgrimage” to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem in May of 1994. They were met by a delegation of Jewish Holocaust survivors who were so overcome with outrage that some of them had to be restrained from physically assaulting the contingent of (mostly American) political activists. One man cried, “My grandfather was killed for refusing to have sexual relations with the camp commandant. You are desecrating this place...” (The Jerusalem Post, May 30, 1994). Yet, as we have noted, some homosexuals did in fact die in Nazi concentration camps. We do not diminish the tragedy of any life lost under the Nazi reign of terror; however, we must reject the implication that homosexuals as a class should be given moral equivalency to the Jewish people and other victims of genocide. There are five reasons why we must reject this claim of the revisionists. First, we know that regardless of Himmler’s anti-homosexual rhetoric, homosexuals as a class were never targeted for extermination, as their continued role in the Third Reich demonstrates. Second, those homosexuals who died did so primarily as the result of mistreatment and disease in slave-labor camps -- not in the gas chambers. As reported in the Washington Blade 230Homosexuality in the Concentration Camps John Fout, professor of history...said his research shows that about 50,000 men were imprisoned for homosexual related “offenses” by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945. Most of them, he said, were imprisoned for relatively short sentences and in regular German prisons, not concentration camps as has
Re: For our American cousins who are still arguing about same sex marriage.
and extraordinary, said Lee Swislow, GLAD's executive director. Two of the three judges who decided the case Thursday were Republican appointees, while the other was a Democratic appointee. Boudin was appointed by President George H.W. Bush, while Judge Juan Torruella was appointed by President Ronald Reagan. Chief Judge Sandra Lynch is an appointee of President Bill Clinton. On May 31, 11:53 am, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Just exactly which right is not being upheld?? On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:50 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: I was always under the impression that rights were extended, intended and inalienabl only to the individual... Again please show me where group rights are delineated. --- forget group rights ... individual rights for homosexuals should be upheld On May 31, 11:22 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Plainol I still can't find any place that defines gay or womens or animal or mens or religious or or or any rights that are extended to any group... please help me out here... I was always under the impression that rights were extended, intended and inalienabl only to the individual... Again please show me where group rights are delineated. On May 31, 9:52 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: It's not true, --- it is true name one other group than persecutes or rejects homosexuals you have been hoodwinked, I think in part because of your hatred and paranoia of organized religion, and in part because you have fallen into the militant secularists' agenda. you've been hoodwinked by myth believing religious people who persecute homosexuals. The American Family Association and other religious groups have promoted boycotts of corporations whose policies support the LGBT community. We've been down this road, and I don't think we're going to change either one's opinion on this subject matter. --- you're right I do encourage you to research a little bit about Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Maybe the light bulb will turn on for you once you realize what they are all about. --- the LGBT should defend their rights and organize. Some of the religious accept homosexuals ... most do not ... but most of those who reject and persecute homosexuals are religious. In many religions there are also people who view the two sexual orientations positively, and many religious denominations may bless same-sex marriages and support LGBT rights, and the amount of those that do are continuously increasing around the world as much of the developed world enacts laws supporting LGBT rights. On May 31, 10:07 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: It's not true, you have been hoodwinked, I think in part because of your hatred and paranoia of organized religion, and in part because you have fallen into the militant secularists' agenda. We've been down this road, and I don't think we're going to change either one's opinion on this subject matter. I do encourage you to research a little bit about Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Maybe the light bulb will turn on for you once you realize what they are all about. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: it's true and you call me a crackpot? wake up On May 31, 9:46 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: the religious demonize same sex marriage On May 31, 6:48 am, Bear Bear thatbear...@gmail.com wrote: * * don't judge.jpg 42KViewDownload -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp:// groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp:// www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. Plain.Ol's.HangOut..jpg 35KViewDownload -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp:// groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp
Re: Abolish Memorial Day
thugs were feted; Robin Cook, then foreign secretary, allowed them to call him on his mobile phone. The Kosovar Albanians played us like a Stradivarius violin, wrote the former UN commander in Bosnia, Major General Lewis MacKenzie, last April. We have subsidised and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early 1990s, and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today, in spite of evidence to the contrary. The trigger for the bombing of Yugoslavia was, according to Nato, the failure of the Serbian delegation to sign up to the Rambouillet peace conference. What went mostly unreported was that the Rambouillet accord had a secret Annex B, which Madeleine Albright's delegation had inserted on the last day. This demanded the military occupation of the whole of Yugoslavia, a country with bitter memories of the Nazi occupation. As the Foreign Office minister Lord Gilbert later conceded to a Commons defence select committee, Annex B was planted deliberately to provoke rejection. Equally revealing was a chapter dealing exclusively with the Kosovan economy. This called for a free-market economy and the privatisation of all government assets. As the Balkans writer Neil Clark has pointed out: The rump Yugoslavia . . . was the last economy in central-southern Europe to be uncolonised by western capital. 'Socially owned enterprises', the form of worker self-management pioneered under Tito, still predominated. Yugoslavia had publicly owned petroleum, mining, car and tobacco industries . . . At the Davos summit of neoliberal chieftains in 1999, Blair berated Belgrade, not for its handling of Kosovo, but for its failure to embrace economic reform fully. In the bombing campaign that followed, it was state-owned companies, rather than military sites, that were targeted. Nato's destruction of only 14 Yugoslav army tanks compares with its bombing of 372 centres of industry, including the Zastava car factory. Not one foreign or privately owned factory was bombed, wrote Clark. Erected on the foundation of this huge lie, Kosovo today is a violent, criminalised, UN-administered free market in drugs and prostitution; unemployment is 65 per cent. More than 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Bosniaks, Turks, Croats and Jews have been ethnically cleansed by the KLA, with Nato forces standing by. KLA hit squads have burned, looted or demolished 85 Orthodox churches and monasteries, according to the UN. The courts are venal. You shot an 89-year-old Serb grandmother? mocked a UN narcotics officer. Good for you. Get out of jail. Although Security Council Resolution 1244 recognises Kosovo as an integral part of Yugoslavia, multinational companies are being offered ten- and 15-year leases of the province's local industries and resources, including the vast Trepca mines, some of the richest mineral deposits in the world. Overseeing this plundered, now almost ethnically pure future democracy (Blair), are 4,000 American troops at Camp Bondsteel, a 775-acre permanent-base imperial presence. Meanwhile, the show trial of Slobodan Milosevic proceeds as farce. Milosevic was a brute; he was also a banker once regarded as the west's man who was prepared to implement economic reforms in keeping with IMF, World Bank and European Union demands; to his cost, he refused to surrender sovereignty. The empire expects nothing less. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1ObvBTTqDeUJ:www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7439.htm+%22the+FBI+went+home%22cd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=us -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Tommy Tom Tom
Bravo! TRACY!!! On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Well said Tracey! M, Tracey Robertson drob...@comcast.net wrote: Because many of us are sick of your lame denials, name calling, and basically taking everyone back to first grade with your comments. Nobody gives a shit if you are gay grow some and participate like an adult and stop whining. Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, if I were called an asshole on line, and if I believed that someone named, Brucie Girl hurled vulgar insults at me; coupled with one of the moderators of the group also hurling insults and threatening to put me on moderation..I might just do a little self inflection, and ask myself: *Self? Why is it that I seem to be the target of all of these Nasty, Repugnant attitudes, especially when there are other Progressives here in the Group that don't seem to be treated in the same vein or in the same manner as me? What's causing these Nasty Repugnant individuals to treat me differently?* On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing polite here in this group whatsoever. Kiethie calls me an asshole, Brucie girl hurls vulgar insults, and you insult me. This is a nasty and Repugnant group. You shold be ashamed of yourselves. On May 4, 6:42 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I have just removed a post of yours that simply calls the previous poster a slanderer and a liar. As I told recently such posts will not be allowed. To say such things you must give reasonsreal reasons... and back such reasons with some sort of documentation and debate the issue. More such posts will result in moderation of all of your posts. Those without merit (low standards here), those that are simply repetitious (SPAM) and those that I simply don't like will be removed until I decide you can behave in a (usually) polite debate/comment society like ours. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: President Obama's Remarks at the Ready to Go Rally in Columbus, Ohio
Tommy, I gave you photographic evidence, source cited that the hall was, for all intents and purposes, EMPTY in last weeks rally. It really can not be any clearer. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: If you require me to prove what I say, and then you fail to prove what you say, then you are a bithering hypocrite. Just Who annointed you, anyway? On May 6, 12:00 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: It is easily found on line. Do your own research into your own posts. On May 6, 10:57 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Prove it. Where is the empirical evidsence and proof of both head counts? If you cannot supply that proof, you are talking through your ass. On May 6, 11:00 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: 2/3 fewer in attendance than his last time there in 2010 On May 6, 9:10 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: President Barack Obama's Remarks at the Ready to Go Rally in Columbus, Ohio Obama 2012! Watch Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K86sztC1ZUs -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: This group is a complete waste of time. Good Bye and Good Riddance to bad rubbish.
From what tommy posts that may be him On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: This is more Tommy's type i bet. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: Its just that I could see the absolute disgust on Tommys' face after he found out he was screwing a girl and was about to be a father... On May 6, 2:00 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: Got your funny bone with that I guess. LOL On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:59 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: ROTFLMAOWTRDMF On May 6, 1:56 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: At least we know this is not Tommy's boyfriend. LOL On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:23 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Your message to the PoliticalForum group has been rejected. Your post has been removed as it is little more than a rant from a screaming, illogical, finger puppet queen. If you could learn to actually post anything except extreme, non-factual opinion you could go a lot further. Your absolute unwillingness/inability to defend any of your positions in a fact based and cited discussion makes you a pest on the open wound of society. Further, over 50% of your posts have been removed in the last three weeks you did not even notice... we are NOT a dumping ground for Gay Play. On May 6, 1:13 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: This group is a complete waste of time. Good Bye and Good Riddance to bad rubbish. Annointed None Markie Mark is now censoring and deleting my posts to this group. That is repugnant, offensive, and prejudiced, just as this group is prejudiced and sckeweed far to the right wing. This group of right wingnut haters and homophobes is a complete waste of time. I have better things to do. You Should Rename this Group Right Wing Forum and call it what it really is. We are still a nation at war and many people have died. Yet, the vicious war of personal attacks continue to eminate from this group of small-minded hateful right wingers. This ugly little group haters, bullies, Reich wingnuts, loonies, un-Christian fundies, GOP teabagger losers, dispicable intolerant homophobes is a complete waste of my time. I have better things to do with my valuable time. To tell you the truth, I feel like a martyr almost every time I open an email from this group. Go hurl your inept incidious insults and vicious vulgar vile personal attacks and Reich wing lies at somebody else. This group is a hateful and negative place, filled with un-Christian vile venom from evil nisguided serpents. It seems like all I do here is defend myself from vicious personal attacks and insults from a group of immature cyber-bullies and fringe lunatics. Conservatives and thier Wingnut Singalongs are bithering idiots who simply repeat what they hear on Faux Noise for the Parrots. SQUUK! Franky, you numbskulls are a complete waste of my valuable time. I have better things to do. You wing nuts should be deeply ashamed of yourselves. Go hurl your disgusting Repugnant insults at somebody else. Good Bye Good riddance, you hateful jerks. Now Watch This and pay close attention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K86sztC1ZUs -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp:// groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ http://www.politicalforum.com/ http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. justin.jpg 55KViewDownload -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our
Re: Tommy Tom Tom
Tommy, I will not *TRY * anything. You are now on moderation. On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Try it, Buster! On May 4, 6:42 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: I have just removed a post of yours that simply calls the previous poster a slanderer and a liar. As I told recently such posts will not be allowed. To say such things you must give reasonsreal reasons... and back such reasons with some sort of documentation and debate the issue. More such posts will result in moderation of all of your posts. Those without merit (low standards here), those that are simply repetitious (SPAM) and those that I simply don't like will be removed until I decide you can behave in a (usually) polite debate/comment society like ours. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Why Republicans Believe Anti-Gay Pseudoscience
, and help to assuage their concerns about dangerous social consequences of same-sex marriage or civil unions? If only it were that simple. We all want to be right, and to believe that our views are based on the best available information. But in this case, Christian conservatives utterly fail to get past their emotions, which powerfully bias their reasoning. Indeed, science doesn’t just demonstrate that the kids are all right in same-sex unions. It also shows how and why some people reason poorly in highly politicized cases like this one -- and, in the case of the anti-gay views of Christian conservatives, rely on their gut emotions to come up with wrong beliefs. Here’s how it works. There are a small number of Christian right researchers and intellectuals who have tried to make a scientific case against same-sex marriages and unions, by citing alleged harms to children. This stuff isn’t mainstream or scientifically accepted -- witness the APA’s statements on the matter. But from the perspective of the Christian right, that doesn’t really matter. When people are looking for evidence to support their deeply held views, the science suggests that people engage in “motivated reasoning.” Their deep emotional convictions guide the retrieval of self-supporting information that they then use to argue with, to prop themselves up. It isn’t about truth, it’s about feeling that you’re right -- righteous, even. And where, in turn, do these emotions come from? Well, there’s the crux. A growing body of research shows that liberals and conservatives, on average, have different moral intuitions, impulses that bias us in different directions before we’re even consciously thinking about situations or issues. Indeed, this research suggests that liberals and conservatives even have different bodily responses to stimuli, of a sort that they cannot control. And one of the strongest areas of difference involves one’s sensitivity to the feeling of disgust. A recent study, for instance, found that “individuals with marked involuntary physiological responses to disgusting images, such as of a man eating a large mouthful of writhing worms, are more likely to self-identify as conservative and, especially, to oppose gay marriage than are individuals with more muted physiological responses to the same images.” In other words, there’s now data to back up what we’ve always kind of known: The average conservative, much more than the average liberal, is having visceral feelings of disgust towards same-sex marriage. And then, when these conservatives try to consciously reason about the matter, they seize on any information to support or justify their deep-seated and uncontrolled response -- which pushes them in the direction of believing and embracing information that appears to justify and ratify the emotional impulse. And voila. Suddenly same-sex marriages and civil unions are bad for kids. How’s that for the power of human reason? All people engage in emotion-guided or motivated reasoning, to be sure. But mounting evidence suggests that left and right may do so differently. And they definitely do so for different reasons -- as the present case so strongly demonstrates. Does this mean we should be more tolerant of the intolerant, or less disgusted by those who may consider us disgusting? Maybe. After all, people may not have much control over these impulses. They may not even be aware of them. At the very least, such knowledge should increase our level of understanding of those who disagree with us. In the end, however, facts are facts -- and emotions and gut instincts are an utterly unreliable way of identifying them. We can try to be understanding of people different from us -- even when they’re manifestly failing at the same task. But the latest research makes it more untenable than ever to base public policy on gut-driven misinformation. Read more:http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/mooney.html#ixzz1tpwR6mqC -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest
Re: Updated List of LGBT and Bullied youth suicides
Tommytomtom, Statistically speaking, yes. If every segment of society shared the same demographic as these people you are so busy hyping the suicide rate would be way down resulting in more living people. I think fewer suicides overall would be a good thingdon't you?? On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Annointed None- Are you saying that the suicides of all these young people is a good thing? Exactly why is that? On Apr 27, 5:24 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommy, Why is this a bad thing?? Some 33,000 plus people committed suicide this year. Gays make up 6-9 percent of the population. If this is all the suicides you can come up with that were gay then we should bully everybody...the rate would drop drastically overall. There were more combat soldiers that committed suicide in your included age bracket Get real. This is not an epidemic nor is it endemic to Gays; if it were there would be a couple thousand on your list...not 20. On Apr 27, 1:03 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: List of LGBT and Bullied youth suicides Just Some of the youth Suicides caused by anti-gay hate speech and bullying: Richard Ty Smalley age 11 Ryan Patrick Halligan age 13 Megan Meier age 13 Sam Denham age 13 Seth Walsh age 13 Asher Brown age 13 Jamey Rodemeyer age 14 Phillip Parker age 14 Rafael Morelos, age 14 Kenneth Weishuhn, age 14 Robin Reed age 15 Jamie Hubley age 15 Justin Aaberg age 15 Phoebe Prince age 15 Billy Lucas age 15 Amanda Cummings age 15 Puja Mondal age 17 lesbian Alexis Pilkington age 17 Tyler Long age 17 Jack Denton Reese age 17 Tyler Clementi age 18 Jacob Rogers age 18 Jeffrey Fehr age 18 Eric James Borges age 19 Aiyisha Hassan age 19 Bobby Saha age 19 lesbian Zach Harrington age 19 Their blood is on the bullies hands. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: George Zimmerman Hid Web Funds to Get Bond Release, Koch Brothers Pay Zimmerman's Legal Fees
Tommytomtom...are you denying that Zimmerman is Black?? On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Annointednonenone- Your false opinion is false and biased. On Apr 28, 10:30 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommytomtom, At the end of the day this is just another case of Black on Black crime as is MOST of the crime in this nation... On Apr 28, 9:22 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: George Zimmerman Hid Web Funds to Get Bond Release George Zimmerman had $200,000 support fund, attorney acknowledges By Richard Fausset Last week, George Zimmerman's family told a Florida judge that they had very little money with which to help the alleged murderer make bond. But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established. That new development, divulged by Zimmerman's attorney at a hearing Friday, could prompt Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester Jr. to increase the $150,000 bond he set earlier -- though the judge said that he wanted to know more about who controls the money before ruling on the matter. More: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-27/news/la-na-nn-zimmerma... Koch Brothers Pay Zimmerman's Legal Fees In the wake of the killing of Trayvon Martin ... The Koch brothers' company, which manufactures paper products, is paying for Zimmerman's legal fees because they feel Zimmerman had the legal right to bear arms and shoot Trayvon. We are asking that people everywhere ban together with us and pass this information on and not purchase any of the following items because your money will be paying for Zimmerman's legal fees. Please do not purchase any of the following items : Angel Soft toilet paper, Brawny paper towels, Dixie plates, bowls, napkins, cups, Mardi Gras napkins and towels, Quilted Northern toilet paper, Soft and Gentle toilet paper, Sparkle napkins and Vanity Fair napkins. Read more: http://www.inspiration1390.com/pages/effie.html?article=10078059#.T5r... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: After bullied gay teen Jack Reese’s suicide, Ogden, Utah to hold community meeting, candlelight vigil
Golly Gee Tommytomtom according to you all Gay suicides are because they were supposedly bullied. Yet the majority you list are or were cases that heavily involved the social media... something that your supposed victims have TOTAL control over. I find all your unproven claims to be bogus... we can never know the real reasons as the idiots that commit suicide/gayicide are dead and don't talk. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Lole' Kiethie- Hov very naive you are. Most suicides are caused by depression and mental illness. The depression and the suicides are often triggered by bullying, criticism, and a lack of self esteem, such as anti-gay bullying, rejection, and homophobia. The victim decided to take his own life after hearing crap just like that that you espouse. Jack Reese was bullied to death because he was gay. You really don't know crap, do you, Kiethie? On Apr 27, 2:19 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: How sad and tragic. Apparently, Jack Reese was suffering from depression. Here are but a few of the comments from his obituary: *Hey there kiddo, I wish you were still here with us today. :/ It's really crazy around here without you. Gosh, I remember all the times we just sat around and talked or just goofed off. It's crazy to think that, that will never happen again. You were such a sweetheart. One of the kindest hearts I knew. You were always the silliest kid, always so happy go lucky and upbeat about life. But I guess what they say is true, the happiest ones are truly the most depressed inside. I wish you would have talked to someone, anyone. You have so many people who were and always will be here for you and love you so very much. I miss you Bud, fly high * ** McKenna Melton *I knew Jack a little bit from working at Morgan High. I am sorry for your loss, he will be missed. I wish I could have done something or known of his sadness and my heart and prayers are with his parents.* Debbt7 === The obituary has voluminous entries mourning this child's death, mostly from school mates: http://www.myers-mortuary.com/_mgxroot/page_10729.php?task=Alllistin... I guess my point, is that this death is not about bullying. I don't think this death has anything whatsoever to do with this child's sexuality, and shame on anyone who attempts to market this child's demise, for political gain. JackReese.17.OgdenUtah..jpg 139KViewDownload -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: From Tammy Baldwin: Tea Party ground game
Hey there Keith!!! My problem with these people is that they don't admit their association publicly. I find it to be genuinely disingenuous... not to mention untrustworthy. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Mark! Yep, they were all over Congressman West last week, because he literally called, A Spade..A Spade. Here's a list of the 80-plus members who are admitted communists in the Congressional Progressive Caucus's membership: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71 And here's a list of the 70 plus members who are admitted socialists and are members of the Democratic Socialists Of America: http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09 It still amazes me, that those on the left would like to make it sound as if calling them a Socialist or a Communist, which is an accurate description of the socio-economic policies that they subscribe to, is some type of an insult, or “name calling”..*See*Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: One of the dues paying members of the American Socialist Party and a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (a communist group that was renamed some years ago) Just what the Dems need... a committed Communist/Socialist in the Senate. On Apr 25, 10:06 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Tea Party ground game The Tea Party infrastructure that helped to elect Gov. Scott Walker in 2010 continues to come to Walker's defense in his recall election. That same bunch will be out in full force for my opponent this fall. And whomever my opponent winds up being, we know he'll be propped up by right-wing Super PACs who want nothing more than to buy this Senate seat with negative ads funded by secret donations from the super-rich and huge corporations. The extreme right in Washington and Wisconsin are organizing for a showdown this fall. And so are we. Can you join us with an immediate contribution today? https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425 We've started organizing, but I'm not going to mince my words: we've got a long, tough fight ahead. Our challenge rests in getting our message out over all the noise. We've already started assembling the ground team. We're reaching new audiences every day, but to keep growing we need your support. Join our grassroots campaign as a critical early supporter. Click here to donate and help us prepare our ground game. In my life, there have been plenty of times where the pundits have doubted the progressive movement. They doubted whether I could win my first campaign for Congress. They cast aside our ability to come together. But we blew them away with a million signatures. And now, we're going to set a new standard. All the polling shows our race is a toss-up but we can't afford to leave the outcome in doubt. We're gearing up and building the campaign that can take on Walker's army -- and win. Let's go! -Tammy https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425 -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Flip Flop Romney Proclaimed Boston Rainbow City for LGBT Pride Event, Then Took It Back
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Re: From Tammy Baldwin: Tea Party ground game
Tommy, If you keep insisting that anyone on the board is a liar or that proffered information is also a lie without backing it up and entering into a real debate on the issue and documenting your claims you will go back to moderation On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Liar, Liar, Annointed None Pants on Fire! On Apr 25, 11:22 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: One of the dues paying members of the American Socialist Party and a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (a communist group that was renamed some years ago) Just what the Dems need... a committed Communist/Socialist in the Senate. On Apr 25, 10:06 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Tea Party ground game The Tea Party infrastructure that helped to elect Gov. Scott Walker in 2010 continues to come to Walker's defense in his recall election. That same bunch will be out in full force for my opponent this fall. And whomever my opponent winds up being, we know he'll be propped up by right-wing Super PACs who want nothing more than to buy this Senate seat with negative ads funded by secret donations from the super-rich and huge corporations. The extreme right in Washington and Wisconsin are organizing for a showdown this fall. And so are we. Can you join us with an immediate contribution today? https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425 We've started organizing, but I'm not going to mince my words: we've got a long, tough fight ahead. Our challenge rests in getting our message out over all the noise. We've already started assembling the ground team. We're reaching new audiences every day, but to keep growing we need your support. Join our grassroots campaign as a critical early supporter. Click here to donate and help us prepare our ground game. In my life, there have been plenty of times where the pundits have doubted the progressive movement. They doubted whether I could win my first campaign for Congress. They cast aside our ability to come together. But we blew them away with a million signatures. And now, we're going to set a new standard. All the polling shows our race is a toss-up but we can't afford to leave the outcome in doubt. We're gearing up and building the campaign that can take on Walker's army -- and win. Let's go! -Tammy https://secure.tammybaldwin.com/page/contribute/e120425 -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: A Little History Lesson
because the man seemed to be illuminated from within, by the flame of liberty. There hadn't been anybody quite like him since the original Founding Fathers. That, of course was exactly what had the GOP country-club elite, the old-money Republicans, quivering with terror. In effect, their fortunes depended on ignoring the Constitution and violating the rights of millions of Americans. Aided by mass media that were just as evil, stupid, and insane -- and just as left-leaning -- as today, they had desperately attempted to offer up one of their own lofty kind, instead. PLU the Brits call them -- people like us. It's possible that you're too young to remember that in 1964, the Democratic foe was Lyndon Baines Johnson, a Texas politico famously crooked as a barrel of fish hooks, the former Senate leg-breaker who, as Vice President, took over the White House after Jack Kennedy was murdered in Dallas. It's worth noting here that it's recently been revealed that Jackie Kennedy always thought Johnson had arranged the assassination. She wasn't alone: in college there was an underground play, a parody of what actors call the Scottish play entitled MacBird. In 1964, the lines were clearly drawn. Johnson was a socialist who infiltrated groups of ... read more » -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Senate Republicans Vote Down The Buffet Tax Rule, Vote Them Out of Office!
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Re: Senate Republicans Vote Down The Buffet Tax Rule, Vote Them Out of Office!
*Back off Keith!!! That's MY BITCH to spank.* On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Tom! I see you added a few comments to the cut and paste you posted. Could you please explain for me and the Group, who and what are/is, the 1%? Maybe you could touch upon and delve into what constitutes the, 99%. Hugs And Sloppy Wet Kisses, KeithInTampa On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Senate Republicans Vote Down The Buffet Tax Rule, Vote Them Out of Office! BREAKING: Buffett Rule fails in Senate Take back Congress from the 1% Donate now so we can take back Congress for the 99%. Today in a close vote, the Senate failed to pass the Buffett Rule, a groundbreaking piece of legislation that would have made millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share. So while the middle and working class will be paying their fair share in taxes on Tax Day tomorrow, many of the 1% will not. The GOP obstructionists voted against the Buffett Rule, just like they voted for the Medicare-killing Ryan budget. They're basically Robin Hood in reverse - robbing from the 99% to give ever more lavish tax breaks to the rich. The majority of the country wants the Buffett Rule but they just ignored us. They can't be changed, they can only be defeated. So we've got a plan to defeat these right-wing zealots by registering and turning out progressive voters this fall in key states and congressional districts. Will you donate $5 right now to help us take back Congress from the 1%? With your help, we’ll be working in: •8 of the 12 states key in deciding the presidential election; •Nearly half of the Congressional seats needed to win the majority in the U.S. House, including some of the most progressive candidates in the country like Ann McLane Kuster (NH-2); •7 key U.S. Senate races, including 2 of the top progressive Senate candidates – Sherrod Brown in Ohio and Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin. And with Sen. Olympia Snowe stepping down, we have an opportunity to pick up an additional Senate seat in Maine! •2 of the most competitive Governors’ race in the country (NH and WV); •1 of the most important ballot initiatives in the country (overturn Ohio’s anti-voting rights law H.B. 194); •9 states with key state legislative races that could determine control of a legislative body or deny a right-wing supermajority; These are all states where USAction and our affiliates have been long-time leaders waging issue campaigns, building coalitions and creating a progressive infrastructure, and where we will continue to do so long after Election Day. The core of the 2012 plan is based on two paid organizers in each congressional district recruiting 400 volunteers and coordinating a 4-month volunteer canvass that can build our base by contacting at least 7,500 voters that support us and getting them to vote. To be successful, however, we need to start these volunteer canvasses by May 15th - that's just 1 month away! Your donation of $5 today can help us fund these organizers and their outreach, and make the difference in November. Then next year we can pass a Buffett Rule, and bring sanity back to our government. We need a Congress that works of, by and for the people — not just the 1%. Donate $5 now so we can take back Congress for the 99%. Thank you for all you do, David Elliot USAction / TrueMajority https://secure.truemajority.org/o/2/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=7174track=BuffettVote_email_2905Email=tommysn...@gmail.com -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: This is against our basic rules but
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Re: Volunteer Cops
with one modern day addition - articulable facts leading a reasonable police officer to believe there exists probable cause that the crime did, is, or will occur. In conclusion, modern sheriff duties are performed by order of the people instead of by order of the King or Queen, so it is easy to see how the legal authority is politically oriented. Sheriffs can maneuver through court battles involving a challenge to their authority and come out successfully when they address the legal protections of their office concerning their constitutional obligations, and no legal system or authority in the United States can challenge it with any standing. As so, the sheriff and his deputies have retained their authority to arrest without a warrant for all crimes, however defined, committed in their presence, and for felonies not committed in their presence. These powers could not be truncated when the American legal system changed from common law to statutory law due to the verbiage of the Constitution, so the Sheriff exists as both an ancient and a modern authority. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Sheriff isn't this the way it was originally done?? --- The United States inherited England’s Anglo-Saxon common law and its system of social obligation, sheriffs, constables, watchmen, and stipendiary justice. As both societies became less rural and agrarian and more urban and industrialized, crime, riots, and other public disturbances became more common. Yet Americans, like the English, were wary of creating standing police forces. Among the first public police forces established in colonial North America were the watchmen organized in Boston in 1631 and in New Amsterdam (later New York City) in 1647. In 1789 the US Marshals Service was established, followed by other federal services such as the US Parks Police and US Mint Police (1792). The first city police services were established in Philadelphia in 1751,[22] Richmond, Virginia in 1807,[23] Boston in 1838,[24] and New York in 1845. The US Secret Service was founded in 1865 and was for some time the main investigative body for the federal government.[26] A Deputy U.S. Marshal covers his fellow officers with an M4 carbine during a knock-and-announce procedure After the civil war, policing became more para-military in character, with the increased use of uniforms and military ranks. Before this, sheriff's offices had been non-uniformed organizations without a para- military hierarchy.[ In recent years, in addition to federal, state, and local forces, some special districts have been formed to provide extra police protection in designated areas. These districts may be known as neighborhood improvement districts, crime prevention districts, or security districts. In 2005, The Supreme Court of the United States ruled that police do not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. On Apr 11, 12:42 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Except for the Sheriff isn't this the way it was originally done?? On Apr 11, 11:16 am, Bruce Majors majors.br...@gmail.com wrote: --- Submitted for discussion: http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/11/can-volunteers-protect-communities __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: AIDS Activists Step Up Call for Hershey Boycott
Sorry, Tommytomtom... it is quite true. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Thaty is quite false. On Apr 9, 11:05 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The school did not deny admission to the boy They made no decision and chose to have the courts rule on this very narrow issue that has never been adjudicated. The parents demand that his condition stays confidential. The school wishes to: Inform the other students of his condition so first aid, if ever needed, can be done with the proper safeguards (all students are trained in first aid for healthy individuals and the EMS style safeguards against HIV/AIDS are not present at the school. This would require changing ALL of the materials, education and equipment. The school admits that there is (regardless of rules) a significant percent of students that have sex (protected and unprotected) at the school. They wish to inform the other students of his condition to safeguard all students. Given the parents demand for silence to the student body and teachers about his condition I see NOTHING wrong with the schools position on the matter. On Apr 9, 9:31 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: AIDS Activists Step Up Call for Hershey Boycott by Peter Jackson Associated Press Monday Apr 9, 2012 HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - Amid the Easter weekend surge in candy sales, AIDS activists Friday stepped up their calls for a boycott of Hershey candy to protest the refusal of a boarding school with ties to the company to admit a teenager because he is HIV-positive. Los Angeles-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation staged protests in San Francisco, New York City and Hershey, where company headquarters and the school are based. We are asking the public to send a clear message to Hershey that there are ’No Kisses for Hershey’ as Hershey continues its path of discrimination and ignorance, Michael Weinstein, the foundation president, said in a news release. The company did not immediately return a call for comment. But Milton Hershey School defended its decision, saying it was difficult but appropriate under the circumstances. We hope that fair-minded people also understand that we did not make this decision in ignorance, but that we looked at all the complicated issues surrounding our unique environment and made the decision we thought was best for our students, Connie McNamara, the school’s vice president for communications, said in an email Friday. The AIDS Law Project of Pennsylvania sued the school in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last year, contending that the school violated the Americans with Disabilities Act in denying admission to the boy, whose name has not been made public. More:http://www.edgeboston.com/news/aids/news//131771/aids_activists_step_... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Race war caused by Tommy and friends....edited just a bit. Apologies to the original author.
Let's put it to a vote of the members on the forum... On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Liar. On Apr 6, 10:48 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, but you have On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Annointed None- I sad no such things, you slanderous ignorant hateful buffon. On Apr 6, 3:17 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Do The Media Want A Race War? April 6, 2012 by Chip Wood While video of George Zimmerman played, ABC News reporter Matt Gutman said: Take a closer look at this video. We slow it down. No visible blood on his head or his nose or his clothes. We know he never went to the emergency room that night. I have had it with all of the irresponsible, sensationalistic comments about the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla. It’s no surprise that Al Sharpton and his fellow rabble-rouser, Jesse Jackson and TommyTomTom for news, are doing everything they can to stir passions to the boiling point. That’s been their modus operandi for more than 20 years. Does anybody remember Tawana Brawley, the fake rape victim Sharpton used as his first stepping-stone to national fame (or should I say infamy)? But I can’t remember a time when the media were so eager to give nationwide publicity to every vicious lie and racist accusation. Forget about trying to get calmer heads to prevail or any of that nonsense about not rushing to judgment. The media and Tommy want someone’s head on a platter (or at least George Zimmerman’s body in jail). And they want it now. If they have to doctor the facts a bit to get it, so what? They’re willing to use some incredibly dishonest means to see that “justice” is done. NBC was guilty of one of the most egregious examples, when it ran a clip on the “Today” show of George Zimmerman’s call to 911. According to the excerpt NBC broadcast, Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.” Obviously, NBC and Tommy wanted its audience to believe that Zimmerman is a Neanderthal racist who wouldn’t hesitate to gun down an innocent 17-year-old just because he was black. As it turns out, Zimmerman did utter those words. But the clever editors at NBC and Tommy left out some incredibly important dialogue that occurred between the two sentences. Here’s what was actually said: Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” 911 Dispatcher: “OK. And this guy, is he black, white or Hispanic?” Zimmerman: “He looks black.” Tommytomtom for news says the right wing actually ADDED the question from the dispatcher to protect Zimmerman. Clearly, Zimmerman was simply answering the dispatcher’s question. He did not equate Martin’s race with “being up to no good.” But that’s not how NBC portrayed it. I guess Sharpton has a buddy in their editing room (could it be Tommytomtom?). As you probably know, Zimmerman claims that after calling 911, he did not continue to follow Martin, as many of his critics contend. Instead, he says he returned to his SUV when Martin approached him. Words were exchanged, then Martin punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and started beating him. An eyewitness says he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, who was yelling: “Help, help!” Tommytomtom says this is hogwash and does not matter. That was when Zimmerman shot his assailant. So far, the police have not released any evidence that contradicts his claim. Just to make sure the facts come out, however, Florida Governor Rick Scott has asked State Attorney Angela Corey to take over the investigation. Corey has a reputation in Florida as a tough, no-nonsense prosecutor. So there is no reason to believe she will be part of any cover-up. Tommytomtom says only Sharpton has the abilities to get the proper outcome so this does not get shoved aside like the Brawley case. That, of course, is not enough for Sharpton and his cronies. They are threatening to “escalate” the demonstrations if Zimmerman is not immediately arrested. The New Black Panthers Party has gone even farther, offering up a bounty for Zimmerman. And where is our President in all of this? He says that “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.” You do have two daughters, Mr. President. Does either one of them look like Aliyah Shell? Tommytomtom does NOT report on this or decry the senseless slaughter In case you’ve never heard of Aliyah, she was a 6-year-old black girl in Chicago who was shot to death last month while sitting with her mother on the front porch of her home. She was one of 10 blacks murdered in Chicago over St. Patrick’s Day weekend. Police say all 10 were murdered by other blacks. In fact, according to FBI statistics, 93 percent of all blacks murdered
Re: [The_Free_Abortion_Debates] Gay Mormon Students at BYU Come Out in Web Video, Face Excommunication and Expulsion
Tommytomtom... It is an elected position.. Much the same as Deacon in ALL Christian denominations... so what ?? His Underclothing serves as a reminder of the covenants he has made with his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.. Just as is a Nuns habit and wedding ring or a priests robes, or a ministers collarso what?? Who he donates his personal money to is his business. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Mitt Romney is a High Priest of the Mormon Church. Romney wears magic underpants under those expensive suits as he spews out his homophobia and changes direction with the wind and his Etch-A-Sketch, and he donates to NOM and Prop H8. OBAMA 2012! On 4/9/12, edwin edwin.edwinsanchez.sanc...@gmail.com wrote: the Mormon LDS believed until the late 1970's that blacks could not be priest nor allowed to get married in the Mormon Temples. The first Prophet of the Mormon LDS stated that you go to hell if you are white and impregnate a black woman. Romney now running for President has never apologized for believing this for years. On 4/9/2012 9:53 AM, Tommy News wrote: Gay Mormon Students at BYU Come Out in Web Video by Cristina Silva Associated Press Monday Apr 9, 2012 Students from a strict Mormon college that prohibits homosexual behavior have launched a Web video aimed at reassuring other gay and lesbian youth struggling with their faith and sexual orientation. The video recently posted to YouTube by 22 Brigham Young University students is the first of its kind with ties to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which forbids gay sex and marriage. By posting the video, the students could face excommunication from the church and expulsion at BYU, where gay students are prohibited from touching or kissing. The campaign is part of columnist Dan Savage’s It Gets Better project, which seeks to give voices and hope to bullied gay and lesbian teenagers. In the video, several BYU students confess that they considered suicide because they didn’t think they could be Mormon and gay. In our religion, there is a lot of misunderstanding and ugliness about homosexuality, said Kendall Wilcox, a former BYU faculty member who produced the video and serves as an adviser to the school’s unofficial gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender support group. We wanted to send this message that God loves you just as you are. The video has sent tremors through the Mormon community and represents the latest effort to reconcile the church’s conservative values with a growing acceptance toward gay relationships. The video estimates there are more than 1,800 LGBT students at BYU. It also notes that the school is consistently ranked as one of the most unfriendly campuses for those students in the nation. A mere five years ago, BYU students weren’t allowed to discuss their sexual orientation without risking expulsion under the school’s strict honor code. A clarification in 2007 stressed that one’s stated sexual orientation is not an Honor Code issue. In 2010, BYU lifted a ban on advocacy of homosexuality. That same year, students formed Understanding Same-Gender Attraction. The support group drew eight people to its first meeting. This semester more than 80 students have attended the weekly meetings on campus. Gay students must still adhere to much stricter standards than their heterosexual classmates under the updated honor code. While premarital sex is off limits to all BYU students, straight couples are allowed to kiss and cuddle openly on campus. Gay students cannot. The student support group is more conservative than many LGBT groups. Some members have embraced lifelong celibacy as a way to stay in the LDS church without violating its rules. One student leader is gay, but married to a woman. Some students used the video to come out to their parents. One student recalled how she died a little in the inside every time she kissed a former boyfriend. I thought eventually maybe it would be better if I died, another student tells the camera. BYU provides counseling to students grappling with depression, anxiety and other issues, spokeswoman Carri Jenkins said. Students who uphold the honor code are welcome as school members of the campus community, she said. More: http://www.edgeboston.com/news/religion/news//131776/gay_mormon_students_at_byu_come_out_in_web_video_ -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
Re: Race war caused by Tommy and friends....edited just a bit. Apologies to the original author.
Martin like a saint (Don’t you just love the innocent-looking baby pictures of him they show over and over again?) while trying to cast doubt on anything Zimmerman says in his own defense. Attacked and beaten by the youth? ABC News says that “no abrasions or blood can be seen” in the surveillance video that was shot when Zimmerman arrived at the Sanford police station. The police report made at the time says that Zimmerman’s nose was bleeding and his back was covered in grass stains when he arrived at the police station. His lawyer said his client went to the doctor the next day and was treated for a broken nose. But of course facts don’t matter to agitators who are looking for a cause célèbre. Even some liberals have acknowledged what’s been happening. Writing in The New York Times, Bill Keller referred to Al Sharpton’s rabble- rousing as “the kind of demagoguery that could prejudice a prosecution or mobilize a mob.” Then he added, “Is it not creepy, by the way, that Spike Lee was tweeting the suspected home address of George Zimmerman? As if to say, ‘Go get him!’” Of course, as you probably heard, the leftist film producer (and host of a million-dollar fund-raiser for Barack Obama) got the house number wrong. Instead of terrorizing Zimmerman, he gave the street address of an elderly couple who fled their home in fear. Lee later apologized for sending out the wrong address — but not for trying to create problems for Zimmerman. Last week Bobby Rush, a black Congressman from Chicago who says he is proud to have been a member of the Black Panthers, demonstrated his support for Martin by appearing on the House floor in a hoodie and sunglasses. He was escorted off the floor a few moments later for violating House rules on decorum. Of course, Rush had achieved exactly what he wanted: more one-sided publicity in the national media. To my knowledge, he has said absolutely nothing about the murder of so many blacks, including Aliyah, in the district he actually represents. After all, those are merely statistics, while Martin’s death is an opportunity. Who was it who said that the Democrats should never let a crisis go to waste? Clearly, Sharpton, Jackson, Tommytomtom and their cohorts will use this tragedy all they can. Too bad the national media are so willing to help them. Until next time, keep some powder dry. –Chip Wood -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: *? 2 ALL: DENYING SAME-SEX INSURANCE BENEFITS DISCRIMINATES, FEDERAL JUDGE RULES - WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?*
Regardless of who it was from it was you, Tommytomtom, that posted it. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:08 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad it was the SF court that ruled this way they are overturned in over 95% of their rulings just out of habit by now,,, On Apr 6, 12:54 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: yep On Apr 5, 6:14 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Greg *? 2 ALL: DENYING SAME-SEX INSURANCE BENEFITS DISCRIMINATES, FEDERAL JUDGE RULES - WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS?* Hi Team! *? 2 ALL: DENYING SAME-SEX INSURANCE BENEFITS DISCRIMINATES, FEDERAL JUDGE RULES - (above): Chief U.S. District Judge James Ware The Associated Press reports: A federal judge in San Francisco says the denial of insurance benefits to same-sex spouses is discriminatory. The ruling Tuesday involves 38-year-old federal court law clerk Christopher Nathan and 39-year-old Thomas Alexander, who were married in 2008 when same-sex marriages were legal in California. Voters later approved Proposition 8, overturning the state Supreme Court ruling that had legalized same-sex marriages. Nathan was turned down when he tried last year to enroll Alexander in the federal government's health insurance plan. A 1996 law bars federal recognition of same-sex unions. Denying same-sex insurance benefits discriminates, federal judge rules - what are your comments? Greg Dempseyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SECULARHUMANIST/ Voice of the People -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Why Is Trayvon Being Slandered?
potentially powerful mechanism here is the so-called just-world hypothesis. Just as we have a powerful urge to complete stories with missing parts, we have a similarly powerful urge to see the world - and the stories we hear as we traverse it - as having some underlying force for justice guiding everything. People are strongly motivated to believe that the world is just - that people get what they deserve, wrote Danny Oppenheimer, a professor of psychology at Princeton and the author of Democracy Despite Itself: Why a System That Shouldn't Work at All Works So Well, in an email. So people want to believe that a victim deserved it, or brought it on him/herself. It's an understandable impulse, but not always a helpful one. As science writer Jonah Lehrer put it, we often rationalize injustices away, so that we can maintain our naïve belief in a just world. In this case, the idea of an unarmed teenager simply getting gunned down leaves our brains itching, in a sense, because it reeks of injustice. One way to scratch that itch is to decide that Martin did something to bring about the shooting - even if there's no evidence to suggest this is the case. If Trayvon was dangerous, then people can preserve the illusion that the world is just - if Trayvon was just an innocent kid, then that forces us to confront a harsh world that is psychologically much harder to deal with, wrote Oppenheimer. So it isn't quite right to say that those who are convinced Trayvon must have been the instigator are necessarily racist. Rather, they're trying to make sense of a tragedy, and the most straightforward, cognitively easy way to do so might be to assume that Martin must have done something that explains Zimmerman's deadly aggression. Neither of these two stories - one in which an innocent black teenager was shot because of a neighborhood-watch volunteer's overly assertive policing, and the other in which a black teenager was shot and killed in part because he was acting suspiciously or aggressively - is a particularly happy tale. Neither calibrates with our highest ideals of justice. But one comes closer than the other, and that's why, in some quarters, it's the more popular of the two. None of this is to say that race doesn't play a huge role in how we sift and filter information and decide which pieces of it to pass on. Psychologists have known for a long time that racial stereotypes and cues can powerfully affect how we process information and weigh evidence - for our brains, race is a shortcut by which to quickly make sense of new information. It's one of many ways in which our quickest, most reactionary forms of thinking don't necessarily provide good results. So it's unfortunate that these stereotypes are so pernicious, because our brains are, in key ways, predisposed toward racial prejudice, and this fact has never been clearer than in the Martin case. It's also worth pointing out that Martin's supporters are just as prone to certain biases in how they handle the massive amount of information about this case circulating online. They're more likely to circulate pictures of Zimmerman in which he looks scary, and to pass along the revelations that he had previous run-ins with the law, allegedly involving violence. It's a tough thing to admit, but very few of us are as interested in objective reality as we think we are - we all have some sort of agenda when we parse emotionally loaded information. When it comes to deciding what we believe is true, Oppenheimer wrote in his email, whether or not it's actually true isn't nearly as important as whether we want to believe it. http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/10744-focus-why-is-tra... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Obama, in Talk, Calls House G.O.P. Budget the Work of Rightist Radicals
No Tommytomtom the loser would be Obama that couldn't get a single vote backing his proposed budget... the winners are the US public. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, you are a real loser there, Annointed NONE! On Apr 4, 10:48 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Republican budget votes. all republican.. no Dems Obamas budget offering...No Republicans..NO Dems Seems even O bama can't get his own party on board... he did not get a single yes on his budget proposal yep hes a real winner there Tommytomtom. On Apr 4, 7:34 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Obama, in Talk, Calls House G.O.P. Budget the Work of Rightist Radicals Speaking in Washington on Tuesday, President Obama criticized Republicans, the latest in a string of combative speeches. By MARK LANDLER NYTimes Published: April 3, 2012 WASHINGTON — President Obama opened a full-frontal assault on Tuesday on the federal budget adopted by House Republicans, condemning it as a “Trojan horse” that would greatly deepen inequality in the United States, and painting it as the manifesto of a party that has swung radically to the right. Multimedia Obama at the Associated Press Luncheon Obama at the Associated Press Luncheon Close Video See More Videos » Related a.. Obama’s Remarks to Newspaper Editors (April 4, 2012) b.. House Passes G.O.P. Budget Plan, Mostly Along Party Lines (March 30, 2012) Related in Opinion a.. Editorial: Calling Radicalism by Its Name (April 4, 2012) b.. The Election 2012 App Warning against what he said would be severe cuts to college scholarships, medical research, national parks, and even technology to make accurate weather forecasts, Mr. Obama said the Republican budget was “so far to the right, it makes the Contract With America” — Newt Gingrich’s legislative manifesto of 1994 — “look like the New Deal.” Mr. Obama’s scathing attack, in a speech to a meeting of editors and reporters, was part of a broad indictment of the Republican Party that included the president’s likely opponent in the fall, Mitt Romney. The House budget, and the philosophy it represents, Mr. Obama said, is “antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everyone who’s willing to work for it — a place where prosperity doesn’t trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class.” Republicans fired back quickly at the president, with the House speaker, John A. Boehner, accusing him of lobbing “partisan potshots” at Republicans rather than responding to their budget plan with a responsible counteroffer. A spokesman for the House Budget Committee, Conor Sweeney, said Mr. Obama’s assertions about the cuts in the budget “are simply false.” For Mr. Obama, it was the latest in a string of combative speeches, in which he has sought to make House Republicans a proxy for the Republican Party and cast himself as a brake on their radical agenda. “I can’t remember a moment when the choice between competing visions of our future has been so unambiguously clear,” Mr. Obama said. Americans, he said, cannot afford to elect a Republican president at a time of fragile economic recovery, with a weak job market and a crushing debt from “two wars, two massive tax cuts and an unprecedented financial crisis.” The widening gulf between the rich and everyone else, Mr. Obama said, was hobbling the country’s economic growth. He cited studies that found that societies with less income inequality had stronger and steadier growth. “In this country, broad-based prosperity has never trickled down from the success of a wealthy few,” the president said. “It has always come from the success of a strong and growing middle class. That’s how a generation who went to college on the G.I. Bill, including my grandfather, helped build the most prosperous economy the world has ever known.” Mr. Obama’s themes echoed his State of the Union address in January and his speech in Osawatomie, Kan., in December, when he invoked a Republican president, Theodore Roosevelt, who he said combined a fervent belief in the free market with a resolve to protect those vulnerable to its excesses. But the president turned a harsh new spotlight on the 2013 budget, drafted by Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who chairs the Budget Committee. The proposal, he said, calls for across-the-board cuts in discretionary spending, as well as tax cuts, which he said would disproportionately benefit households earning more than $250,000 and would cost $4.6 trillion over the next decade. “Disguised as deficit reduction plans, it is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. It is thinly veiled social Darwinism,” Mr. Obama said. “And by gutting the very things we need to grow
Re: Racial profiling
Just what I thought Never anything pertinent to say. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go. - Oscar Wilde On Apr 2, 7:27 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommytomtom... do you have ANY proof that your hate speech is correct or are you just trying to be black, gay and wrong like your buddy bama?? On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Plain Old Grand Old Party Hatred and Racism! On Apr 2, 7:19 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: WASHINGTON, April 1, 2012—Since when is something we do every day taboo, like profiling? Every American who can think, profiles. If you are looking for a mate, you profile. In fact, if you search for a mate online, the first thing you do is establish a profile. You profile yourself. When you fill out a resume to look for a job, your resume is a profile. When you show up for the interview, you are profiled by your potential employer. When you hire a nanny or baby-sitter, you profile. How do you respond inside when a tattooed man with facial piercings shows up to interview for the job? Do you get the picture? Intelligent profiling is based on statistics—the propensity of certain demographics to do certain things. FBI profilers look for specific traits and characteristics of people who commit certain crimes. When they look for pedophiles, they have an idea of who they’ll be and who they won’t be. If you’re the black victim of violent crime, know that there is a 93 percent chance that your attacker will be black, hoodie or no hoodie. That’s not the fault of statistics, those are the facts, and the facts are the fault of black thugs. Anybody remember Georgia teenager Bobby Tillman, who was stomped, kicked and punched to death by four young men, for no apparent reason, or the case of Derrion Albert, a Chicago honor student stomped to death by a group of his peers? But don’t expect the race-baiters to sound any alarm bells. As Javier David wrote in The Griot, back in 2010, “far too many [black community leaders] remain on the sidelines when they should be forcefully addressing the dysfunctional behavior that is far too commonplace in black communities.” Don’t think the group that is supposed to be fighting for all “Colored People” is speaking out against black-on-black crime. As David further observes, “the NAACP has issued a blizzard of press releases and public statements on a range of issues, yet one searches in vain for a call to action on criminality in black neighborhoods…the organization's most noteworthy contribution to public discourse was [its] notoriously misguided feud with the Tea Party movement that alleged its members were motivated primarily by racism. Indeed, both the NAACP and the Urban League have largely devoted themselves to supporting President Obama's policies, while remaining silent on the near-apocalyptic violence that takes place in black communities on a daily basis.” Translated: Neither the NAACP nor the Urban League will get involved in protesting any criminal activities against black people unless somebody white—or half white—is involved. And what of Muslim profiling? Recently the NYPD came under fire for profiling Muslim men ages 18-35, and there was massive outcry against them. The truth is that if Muslims in that demographic would stop blowing stuff up, they would cease to be profiled. Who do they expect the NYPD to watch, 80-year- old grandmothers, or 13-year-old Mexican girls? The NYPD didn’t wake up one day and issue a fatwa on young Muslim men. In case people have forgotten, it was representatives from that the demographic who blew up the World Trade Center buildings. Further, the NYPD has thwarted many more attempts by young Muslim men to create havoc in America. Here are a few of the dozens of examples that we know about: Six Yemeni men arrested for providing material support for Al Qaeda and running a terrorist cell in Buffalo NY. Eleven members of the Virginia Jihad Network were arrested, accused of training for holy war around the globe. Seven men arrested after discovered plotting to bomb the Sears Tower and FBI offices. The list goes on and on, yet the Muslim community is silent on the issue. The ACLU and about every other Liberal imbecile wants you to believe that this type of profiling is against the rights of Muslims. NOT profiling Muslims, or more specifically, young Muslim men who are from or have spent time in the Arab world, is against the rights of all Americans, including Muslims. Radicalized Muslims in the U.S. and abroad plot world domination, and find more and more creative ways to blow up Americans, but we are not supposed to profile them to show our tolerance. Dead people are amazingly tolerant. Forget
Re: Racial profiling
to blowing up buildings, Americans, or the military, so profile everybody equally. We all get a trophy. I say, be proud profilers. Refuse to take Liberals’ tolerance classes, and demand classes that teach you better profiling techniques. Let any challenger to your right to profile know that you have profiled them as an ignorant, racist, meddling Liberal, and that you stand firmly by that profile. © Kevin Jackson – The Black Sphere, LLC – All Rights Reserved. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: What’s going to happen during 3 days of SCOTUS arguments on health care?
the opposite: Democrats now insist that the mandate is absolutely a tax (and therefore authorized by the taxing clause of the Constitution), and Republicans are equally confident that it’s not. This debate is also relevant to whether the court has the power to hear the case in the first place. If the mandate is a tax, according to a 1867 law, litigants may have to wait until it goes into effect in 2014 to challenge it. If Breyer can get a laugh out of the “is it a tax?” debate, he deserves to be promoted to funniest justice. Chief Justice John Roberts All eyes will be on Roberts to see whether he is inclined to interpret the commerce clause of the Constitution as narrowly as he did in an opinion that gave rise to one of his most memorable one-liners as an appellate judge. In 2003, Roberts dissented from a ruling holding that the federal government could use the Endangered Species Act to prevent development on the habitat of the arroyo toad. He said the federal law couldn’t be applied to “a hapless toad that, for reasons of its own, lives its entire life in California.” Verrilli will try to convince Roberts that the interstate economic effects of thousands of uninsured sick people are far greater than those of the hapless toad, all the while avoiding the word “toad.” As the crucial swing vote, Kennedy is most frequently flattered in Supreme Court briefs. Some libertarians hope that he will strike down the health-care mandate by invoking the same right to privacy that he recognized when he reaffirmed Roe v. Wade in 1992. “At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life,” Kennedy wrote; Scalia later ridiculed this as the “sweet mystery of life” passage. For Scalia and the other conservatives, Roe v. Wade is the root of all constitutional evil. So if Paul Clement — who will argue before the court for the health-care law’s challengers — wants to appeal to Kennedy without alienating the other conservatives, he may try to murmur “sweet mystery” so quietly that only Kennedy can hear it. Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor These justices weren’t yet on the court during the period covered by the 2010 laughter study, but Kagan may have her eye on Scalia’s “funniest justice” title. She delivered the best one-liner of the current Supreme Court term. Noting that the Federal Communications Commission had interpreted its TV indecency policy to allow the cursing in “Saving Private Ryan” and the nudity in “Schindler’s List,” she said: “It’s like nobody can use dirty words or nudity except for Steven Spielberg.” It will be hard to top the “Spielberg exception,” but perhaps Kagan can make something of the “Romney exception” — namely, the fact that the same arguments about the economic effects of self-insurance that Mitt Romney used to justify health-care reform in Massachusetts are the ones that lawyers challenging the Affordable Care Act are rejecting before the Supreme Court. Sotomayor has made her mark in oral arguments and in recent separate opinions by wondering aloud whether long-established Supreme Court doctrines should be reexamined. During arguments in the Citizens United case in 2009, she suggested looking again at the idea that corporations are people. “There could be an argument made that that was the court’s error to start with,” she said. In the health-care argument, perhaps Sotomayor will press the government to explain why, if corporations are people, they can’t be forced to buy health insurance, too. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Samuel Alito Though not prone to punch lines, both are respected by lawyers for asking the most technically difficult questions about a case. Ginsburg, who once taught civil procedure, may be especially interested in the complicated question of whether, if the court strikes down the individual mandate, it should grant the government’s request to wait for future cases to decide whether other provisions should be struck down as well. Alito may be interested in the ... read more » -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http
Re: New Zimmerman video: How seriously was Trayvon Martin's killer injured?
SUV when he was confronted and punched by the youth. Video and more here: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-martin-zimmerma... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin
or his supporters. The leader of the effort to associate Martin with these groups is Matt Drudge. You can see how he is framing the story today here. Ultimately, whether Martin was a perfect person is irrelevant to whether Zimmerman’s conduct that night was justified. Clearly, there are two different versions of the events that transpired on February 26, the night Trayvon was killed. There are conflicting statements by witnesses and conflicting evidence as to who was the aggressor. Zimmerman has the right to tell his side of the story. But his opportunity to do this will come in a court of law after he is charged and arrested. In the meantime, Zimmerman’s supporters should stop trying to smear the reputation of a dead, 17-year-old boy. Punch me in the face and then bang my head on the pavement for simply asking who you are and why you are in my gated neighborhood and I'll shoot you too!!! __._,_.___ -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
Yes, and the Parade is not free nor open to the public for participation... you must qualify and pay up to a base fee of 3000 dollars. No different than any other Private event held on public streets. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, GregfromBoston greg.vinc...@yahoo.comwrote: The Mass court ruled gay groups could march to their hearts content, but if the neighborhood determined banners refering to sexual preference were inappropriate, then leave the banner at home or find another soap box, as children are not only in the audience, but the target audience. There is a Gay Pride parade every June in Boston. Thats just fine. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
, an embarrassment in a state where we now have marriage rights -- and they are also seeing Comcast as a company that is vulnerable. If Comcast doesn't want a battle on its hands, a battle it will ... read more »- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
Funny the pics are from a gay only parade... On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Little Homophobic Kiethie Keith- False and misleading, as always. These parades are not private events at all as police, firefighters, public officials, etc. both on and off duty, march on public property in a tax funded public parade. Your photographs are represenative of vulgar heterosexual exhibitionism. Most gays dress conservatively, tastefully, and far nicer than you do. LIAR! On Mar 19, 11:49 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tom! (And Mark!) Tom, they are private events, from a number of standpoints, but to add to what Mark just said, the Gasparilla Parade here in Tampa is a private event. Ye Mystic Crewe of Gaspar pays a tremendous amount of money for the permit, but also for other city services, as well as security, (to include off duty Tampa Police Officers and Hillsborough County Sheriff's Deputies); I could go on, about sanitation, parking, etc.; and how the City of Tampa reaps in a number of these Permit Payments/Payola; for other vendors.And then, there's television.Do you think that these TV stations get to set up for free? In NYC; for St. Paddies, which is televised all over the world...Wonder how much that costs? Wonder what the City makes? One of the articles you posted eariler touched upon this subject. Yep, no question the parade is private. But here's the real issue, and why militant Gay Secularist organizations like the ones you belong to are persona non grata at family oriented parades: : On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Little Kiethie Kieth- You need to go back to law school. In 1995 , the GOP Roberts SCOTUS decided that the parade organizers could exclude gay groups from marching, on the false premise that these are private events. In truth, they are not private events at all as police, firefighters, public officials, etc. both on and off duty, march on public property in a tax funded public parade. The city provides security, policing, clean up, crowd control, etc. paid for by public tax dollars. On Mar 19, 4:15 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Since when did Gays, Lesbians and Transgender folks get banned from marching in the St. Paddy's Day parade? Once again, more militant secular spin lies and prevaricate hogwash from again, the militant, homosexual agenda! The only restriction, against ANYONE or ANY GROUP, is that this is a family parade, and there will be no nekkidness, there will be no fornication, there will be no one dressed in assless chaps, or nekkid Statues of Liberty. That pretty much eliminates TommyTomTomForNews from marching, probably PlainOl too. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: an embarrassment in a state where we now have marriage rights --- Irish and African-American lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) communities have a lot in common when it comes to being excluded from the iconic institutions in their communities. For LGBTQ African Americans, it’s the Black Church, and for LGBTQ Irish Americans, it’s the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. Unlike the Black Church, however, that has and continues to throw the Bible at its LGBTQ community to justify their exclusionary practices, the St. Patrick’s Day parade committee uses the First Amendment, debating that they are constitutionally guaranteed freedoms of religion, speech and association, and the tenet separating church and state. In 1994 Boston’s St. Patrick’s Day parade was canceled over this issue. The state’s highest court ruled that the parade organizers could not ban members of the LGBTQ community from marching. But in a counter lawsuit, parade officials won, accusing LGBTQ Irish-Americans of violating their rights to free speech under the First Amendment. On Mar 19, 10:37 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays? -by Michelangelo Signorile It's 2012, and in the state of New York gays and lesbians have full civil rights, including marriage equality. Moreover, gays are no longer banned in the U.S. military. But they are still banned from Fifth Avenue's annual St. Patrick's Day Parade in an embarrassing throwback for everyone involved. It's frankly appalling that NBC, and now its parent company Comcast, still sells the broadcast rights (on its local affiliate, WNBC) to the intolerant bunch that runs the parade (in 2007 that amount was $300,000) and then helps the organizers sell
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
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Re: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays
Its that kind of intolerance that keeps Faggots from mainstream parades. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Kilts are dresses. Dresses are Feminine. You are the liar. On Mar 21, 1:29 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The Aboyne Dress is the feminine form and none of the people shown were wearing it You stand as a liar. On Mar 21, 11:46 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays Nassau County Police Bagpipe Band. St Patrick's Day Parade, NY, 2012. Watch Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JysAP7C4XE -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Time for a Drink
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Re: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed
Point your gun at someone with a gun, like a cop, and see what happens. If you pointshoot. Its not a game. Regardless of the who or why. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Carry a gun and increase your odds of getting shot. Point your gun at someone with a gun, like a cop, and see what happens. On Mar 21, 1:10 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Carrying a gun can save your life and the lives of those you care about. it's better to have one than need one On Mar 20, 7:52 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found. It would be impractical – not to say unethical – to randomly assign volunteers to carry a gun or not and see what happens. So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims were carrying at the time, and compared them to other Philly residents of similar age, sex and ethnicity. The team also accounted for other potentially confounding differences, such as the socioeconomic status of their neighbourhood. Despite the US having the highest rate of firearms-related homicide in the industrialised world, the relationship between gun culture and violence is poorly understood. A recent study found that treating violence like an infectious disease led to a dramatic fall in shootings and killings. Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher. While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates. Supporters of the Second Amendment shouldn't worry that the right to bear arms is under threat, however. We don't have an answer as to whether guns are protective or perilous, Branas says. This study is a beginning. Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore, Maryland, thinks it is near-sighted to consider only the safety of gun owners and not their communities. It affects others a heck of a lot more, he says. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-. .. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
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Re: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays
No, He just bitch slaps idiots. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Is Mark the kind of vulgar foul mouthed homophobe who commits hate crimes? On Mar 21, 3:25 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Its that kind of intolerance that keeps Faggots from mainstream parades. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Kilts are dresses. Dresses are Feminine. You are the liar. On Mar 21, 1:29 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The Aboyne Dress is the feminine form and none of the people shown were wearing it You stand as a liar. On Mar 21, 11:46 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays Nassau County Police Bagpipe Band. St Patrick's Day Parade, NY, 2012. Watch Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JysAP7C4XE -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Will Comcast Make This The Last St. Patrick's Day Parade To Exclude Gays?
Mark is gay. If I were gay I'd be one that stood on his own two feet and be proud of myself and my accomplishments. I would not be like you... a whimpering little drama queen that wants everyone to go into self denial so they can be like you. I would not be berating anyones belief system and trying to tear it down so I could feel a sense of accomplishment. I would not want what others have just because I can't be happy with what I have. If I were gay... I would not be YOU, a whimpering little dog in the corner that covets and wants. I would not be YOU, a screaming cunt in mens pants that thinks ideas and or ideals can be legislated On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 21, 3:32 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you a gentleman. Not. He never claimed to be a gentleman... just 100% male... a claim you can't make at all. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: go f**k yourself?? Aren't you a gentleman. Not. On Mar 21, 1:07 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: No definition is being changed. --- according to the religious it is. I couldn't care less. Same sex marriages have existed since Biblical times. Read up on Ruth and Naomi, The Greeks, Two Spirit Native Americans, etc. --- believing in myths is insanity Am I talking to a brick wall here or to a small minded idiot? Or both? --- did I ask you to reply? go fuck yourself On Mar 21, 12:36 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. No definition is being changed. Same sex marriages have existed since Biblical times. Read up on Ruth and Naomi, The Greeks, Two Spirit Native Americans, etc. Am I talking to a brick wall here or to a small minded idiot? Or both? On Mar 20, 9:00 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: militants who want to change the definition of marriage --- it's already changed beating a dead horse tenderizes the meat On Mar 19, 5:16 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any issues with what one does behind closed doors now PlainOl. As a matter of fact and record, I have been involved in the legal defense of a number of individuals whose rights have been trampled upon because of their sexuality. That's not the case here, and that is not the case with those militants who want to change the definition of marriage, but we've been down this road.. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.comwrote: Since when did Gays, Lesbians and Transgender folks get banned from marching in the St. Paddy's Day parade? the 1995 U.S. Supreme Court case Hurley vs. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Group of Boston, ruled parade organizers do have a legal right to decide who marches in the parade. Join the Impact, another gay, lesbian and transgender group in Boston, was also denied permission to walk in the parade this year. The Irish- American group marched in the parade in 1992 after obtaining a court order, but no gay or lesbian organization has walked since the Supreme Court ruling; militant secular spin lies and prevaricate hogwash from again, the militant, homosexual agenda! find a deprogrammer fast! That pretty much eliminates TommyTomTomForNews from marching, probably PlainOl too. --- gfy I haven't posted on any of tommys gay posts because I don't want to argue with you about homosexuality. I am not gay, don't care about their plight, or think I'm right and you're wrong ... I just find the religious right's position indefensible. Eventually, they are going to accept homos ... it's just going to take time. On Mar 19, 4:15 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Since when did Gays, Lesbians and Transgender folks get banned from marching in the St. Paddy's Day parade? Once again, more militant secular spin lies and prevaricate hogwash from again, the militant, homosexual agenda! The only restriction, against ANYONE or ANY GROUP, is that this is a family parade, and there will be no nekkidness, there will be no fornication, there will be no one dressed in assless chaps, or nekkid Statues of Liberty. That pretty much eliminates TommyTomTomForNews from marching, probably PlainOl too. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote
Re: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation Hate Crime in Suicide of Tyler Clementi
And Rhavi had the key and Clementi knew it. Rhavi may not be proud of what he did... Clementi killed himself...a personal and unaided act...he was a mental coward that was ashamed of what he was doing On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. Dorm rooms have doors and locks to provide privacy for the occupants. Spycams are a violation of that privacy. Rhavi commited a heinous anti-gay hate crime, which he has been convicted of by a jury. Two lives destroyed. Clementi is dead. Rhavi's life is virtually ruined. On Mar 21, 3:23 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommy, I am quite sure that privacy is not something one can or does expect in a Dorm. Mr. Clementi KNEW he had a problem and asked to be moved... he refused thereby placing himself in a known position. The appeals court will certainly see it differently. Juries tend to allow emotion to enter the verdicts. On Mar 21, 1:13 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Little Markie Mark- The facts: A jury convicted a former Rutgers University student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his roommate kissing another man in their dorm room. Deny that and YOU are the liar. On Mar 19, 9:09 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommytomtom, I listed facts and logic that emanated from the trial and you say false. If that is true then your claim is also False. You have, by calling the trial facts false, just called yourself a liar. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. On Mar 16, 12:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: First, I agree with Plainol on this onemark those calendars. Next let me say that this was a shared room with (in my view and in my experience) no expectation of privacy. It was not a stranger that videoed the infamous act that was so shameful it lead to suicide, but someone with every right to do in that room that which he pleased and I am sure that this will be mentioned on appeal and accepted. Mr. Clementi invited his special friend back to the room KNOWING that he was being monitored... so much for fear and bullying. He could have simply moved as he requested and then refused. Sounds more like he was bullying himself and looking for a reason to off himself. If you don't like yourself and what you are doing how can you possibly expect, or in the case of the gay community and Tommytomtom, demand that others do? Its just all so much bullshit. On Mar 16, 10:33 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: wow, record this date .. someone other than a white person found guilty of a hate crime On Mar 16, 11:08 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation in Suicide of Tyler Clementi Defendant Guilty in Rutgers Case Matt Rainey for The New York Times Dharun Ravi, center, and his lawyers, Philip Nettl, left, and Steven Altman at Superior Court in Middlesex County, N.J., on Friday. By KATE ZERNIKE Published: March 16, 2012 NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. —A jury convicted a former Rutgers University student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his roommate kissing another man in their dorm room. Follow us on Twitter and like us on Facebook for news and conversation. The jury also found Mr. Ravi guilty of tampering with evidence and witnesses for trying to change Twitter and text messages in which he had encouraged others to watch the webcam. Mr. Ravi’s roommate, Tyler Clementi, jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge three days after Mr. Ravi viewed him on the webcam. The case became a symbol of the struggles facing gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers and the problem of cyberbullying in an era when laws governing hate crimes have not kept up with evolving technology. Mr. Ravi looked down but did not seem to react as the jury forewoman read the verdict. Mr. Clementi’s parents and family sat with arms around each other, leaning forward as they listened to the forewoman speak. Mr. Ravi, 20, was not charged in Mr. Clementi’s death. . The jury of seven women and five men deliberated for about two days, following more than three weeks of testimony. The case was rare because almost none of the facts were in dispute. Mr. Ravi’s lawyers agreed that he had set up a webcam on his computer, then gone into a friend’s room and viewed Mr. Clementi kissing a man he had invited to his room
Re: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed
Tommy, I have NEVER missed the person I pointed a gun at On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, you missed. You missed the point, too. On Mar 21, 3:29 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Point your gun at someone with a gun, like a cop, and see what happens. If you pointshoot. Its not a game. Regardless of the who or why. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Carry a gun and increase your odds of getting shot. Point your gun at someone with a gun, like a cop, and see what happens. On Mar 21, 1:10 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Carrying a gun can save your life and the lives of those you care about. it's better to have one than need one On Mar 20, 7:52 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found. It would be impractical – not to say unethical – to randomly assign volunteers to carry a gun or not and see what happens. So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims were carrying at the time, and compared them to other Philly residents of similar age, sex and ethnicity. The team also accounted for other potentially confounding differences, such as the socioeconomic status of their neighbourhood. Despite the US having the highest rate of firearms-related homicide in the industrialised world, the relationship between gun culture and violence is poorly understood. A recent study found that treating violence like an infectious disease led to a dramatic fall in shootings and killings. Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher. While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates. Supporters of the Second Amendment shouldn't worry that the right to bear arms is under threat, however. We don't have an answer as to whether guns are protective or perilous, Branas says. This study is a beginning. Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore, Maryland, thinks it is near-sighted to consider only the safety of gun owners and not their communities. It affects others a heck of a lot more, he says. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-. .. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays
There was no Doctor present when I was born... On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: When Little Markie was born the doctor slapped his mother. On Mar 21, 6:33 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: No, He just bitch slaps idiots. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Is Mark the kind of vulgar foul mouthed homophobe who commits hate crimes? On Mar 21, 3:25 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Its that kind of intolerance that keeps Faggots from mainstream parades. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Kilts are dresses. Dresses are Feminine. You are the liar. On Mar 21, 1:29 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The Aboyne Dress is the feminine form and none of the people shown were wearing it You stand as a liar. On Mar 21, 11:46 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Homophobic Cops in Dresses March In Parade That Excludes Conservatively Dressed Gays Nassau County Police Bagpipe Band. St Patrick's Day Parade, NY, 2012. Watch Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JysAP7C4XE -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp:// groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation Hate Crime in Suicide of Tyler Clementi
It was Rhavis room to do what he wanted On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Rhavi did not use his key. He turned on his spycam remotely. Twice. On Mar 21, 6:43 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: And Rhavi had the key and Clementi knew it. Rhavi may not be proud of what he did... Clementi killed himself...a personal and unaided act...he was a mental coward that was ashamed of what he was doing On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. Dorm rooms have doors and locks to provide privacy for the occupants. Spycams are a violation of that privacy. Rhavi commited a heinous anti-gay hate crime, which he has been convicted of by a jury. Two lives destroyed. Clementi is dead. Rhavi's life is virtually ruined. On Mar 21, 3:23 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommy, I am quite sure that privacy is not something one can or does expect in a Dorm. Mr. Clementi KNEW he had a problem and asked to be moved... he refused thereby placing himself in a known position. The appeals court will certainly see it differently. Juries tend to allow emotion to enter the verdicts. On Mar 21, 1:13 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Little Markie Mark- The facts: A jury convicted a former Rutgers University student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his roommate kissing another man in their dorm room. Deny that and YOU are the liar. On Mar 19, 9:09 pm, Mark markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommytomtom, I listed facts and logic that emanated from the trial and you say false. If that is true then your claim is also False. You have, by calling the trial facts false, just called yourself a liar. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. On Mar 16, 12:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: First, I agree with Plainol on this onemark those calendars. Next let me say that this was a shared room with (in my view and in my experience) no expectation of privacy. It was not a stranger that videoed the infamous act that was so shameful it lead to suicide, but someone with every right to do in that room that which he pleased and I am sure that this will be mentioned on appeal and accepted. Mr. Clementi invited his special friend back to the room KNOWING that he was being monitored... so much for fear and bullying. He could have simply moved as he requested and then refused. Sounds more like he was bullying himself and looking for a reason to off himself. If you don't like yourself and what you are doing how can you possibly expect, or in the case of the gay community and Tommytomtom, demand that others do? Its just all so much bullshit. On Mar 16, 10:33 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: wow, record this date .. someone other than a white person found guilty of a hate crime On Mar 16, 11:08 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation in Suicide of Tyler Clementi Defendant Guilty in Rutgers Case Matt Rainey for The New York Times Dharun Ravi, center, and his lawyers, Philip Nettl, left, and Steven Altman at Superior Court in Middlesex County, N.J., on Friday. By KATE ZERNIKE Published: March 16, 2012 NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. —A jury convicted a former Rutgers University student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his roommate kissing another man in their dorm room. Follow us on Twitter and like us on Facebook for news and conversation. The jury also found Mr. Ravi guilty of tampering with evidence and witnesses for trying to change Twitter and text messages in which he had encouraged others to watch the webcam. Mr. Ravi’s roommate, Tyler Clementi, jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge three days after Mr. Ravi viewed him on the webcam. The case became a symbol of the struggles facing gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers and the problem of cyberbullying in an era when laws governing hate crimes have not kept up with evolving technology. Mr. Ravi looked down but did not seem to react as the jury forewoman read the verdict. Mr. Clementi’s parents and family sat with arms around each other, leaning forward as they listened to the forewoman speak
Re: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation Hate Crime in Suicide of Tyler Clementi
Tommytomtom, I listed facts and logic that emanated from the trial and you say false. If that is true then your claim is also False. You have, by calling the trial facts false, just called yourself a liar. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: False. On Mar 16, 12:26 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: First, I agree with Plainol on this onemark those calendars. Next let me say that this was a shared room with (in my view and in my experience) no expectation of privacy. It was not a stranger that videoed the infamous act that was so shameful it lead to suicide, but someone with every right to do in that room that which he pleased and I am sure that this will be mentioned on appeal and accepted. Mr. Clementi invited his special friend back to the room KNOWING that he was being monitored... so much for fear and bullying. He could have simply moved as he requested and then refused. Sounds more like he was bullying himself and looking for a reason to off himself. If you don't like yourself and what you are doing how can you possibly expect, or in the case of the gay community and Tommytomtom, demand that others do? Its just all so much bullshit. On Mar 16, 10:33 am, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: wow, record this date .. someone other than a white person found guilty of a hate crime On Mar 16, 11:08 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Dharun Ravi Found Guilty of Invasion of Privacy, Bias Intimidation in Suicide of Tyler Clementi Defendant Guilty in Rutgers Case Matt Rainey for The New York Times Dharun Ravi, center, and his lawyers, Philip Nettl, left, and Steven Altman at Superior Court in Middlesex County, N.J., on Friday. By KATE ZERNIKE Published: March 16, 2012 NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. —A jury convicted a former Rutgers University student, Dharun Ravi, of hate crimes for using a webcam to spy on his roommate kissing another man in their dorm room. Follow us on Twitter and like us on Facebook for news and conversation. The jury also found Mr. Ravi guilty of tampering with evidence and witnesses for trying to change Twitter and text messages in which he had encouraged others to watch the webcam. Mr. Ravi’s roommate, Tyler Clementi, jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge three days after Mr. Ravi viewed him on the webcam. The case became a symbol of the struggles facing gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers and the problem of cyberbullying in an era when laws governing hate crimes have not kept up with evolving technology. Mr. Ravi looked down but did not seem to react as the jury forewoman read the verdict. Mr. Clementi’s parents and family sat with arms around each other, leaning forward as they listened to the forewoman speak. Mr. Ravi, 20, was not charged in Mr. Clementi’s death. . The jury of seven women and five men deliberated for about two days, following more than three weeks of testimony. The case was rare because almost none of the facts were in dispute. Mr. Ravi’s lawyers agreed that he had set up a webcam on his computer, then gone into a friend’s room and viewed Mr. Clementi kissing a man he had invited to his room three weeks after arriving at Rutgers in September 2010. Mr. Ravi sent Twitter and text messages telling others what he had seen, and urged them to watch a second viewing, then deleted messages after Mr. Clementi killed himself. That account had been established by a long trail of electronic evidence — from Twitter feeds and cellphone records, dormitory surveillance cameras, dining hall swipe cards and a “netflow” analysis showing when and how computers in the dormitory connected. What the jury had to decide, and what set off debate outside as well as inside the courtroom, was what Mr. Ravi and Mr. Clementi were thinking at the time. Did Mr. Ravi set up the webcam because he had a pretty good idea that he would see Mr. Clementi in an intimate moment? Did he target Mr. Clementi and the man he was with because they were gay? And was Mr. Clementi in fear? Without Mr. Clementi to speak for himself, that last question was perhaps the most difficult to determine, and questions the jurors sent from their deliberation room suggested they struggled with it. The prosecution had pointed out that Mr. Clementi had checked Mr. Ravi’s Twitter feed — where Mr. Ravi told others he had seen his roommate “kissing a dude” — 38 times in the days after the first webcam viewing. Records showed that Mr. Clementi had gone online to request a room change, and a resident assistant testified that Mr. Clementi had complained to him. But the defense argued that if Mr. Clementi had felt intimidated, he would
Re: Ron Paul
I can't find any quote from Paul that qualifies his third party commitment beyond the convention in Tampa. Of course Pauls ideals are being copied by the other candidates... his are the only ones that actually separate the conservatives from the moonbats. Without his idea(l)s all we would have running would be at best a beige version of Obama...and unfortunately that includes the Newt. Keith, Just read your comparisons between Paul and Gingrich... they are very similar but for very different core reasons... these reasons are what truly count as the liklihood of being swayed or compromised are almost nil with Paul...with Newt it would simply become something more to compamise about.. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Paul has made it clear that he will not run as a third party candidate, and that his intent is to gather as much support (and delegates) in order to sway the Republican Party Platform come September here in Tampa. Paul's candidacy has influenced each and every candidate to date. There is not a lot of difference between Gingrich and Paul now. As a matter of fact, Gingrich's foreign policy is becoming more and more Paulish each and every day. There is no question that Romney has been influenced and swayed, there has been some behind the doors talk and discussion, as the two camps have worked in unison together since the beginning of the debates. In my opinion, where Paul, (and Romney) really screwed up, (and especially those loud vocal celebrity supporters who fell into camp) was their attacks on other conservatives. This was a big No-No and this act will cost them with fellow conservatives..Hopefully they can reunify the Republican Party come September. Paul? As I have said for years, he will make a great Secretary of Treasury, which is where I think he is destined. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.comwrote: I have been thinking about Ron Pauls candidacy. He is doing it better than the others... He polls as on of the two that could/would possibly/ probably beat Obama if he is nominated for President. The left trusts him more than any other candidate meaning he is more likely than any other to pick up the disillusioned Dem and independent voters. He has a large Republican following that are well entrenched and unwavering. All of the Libertarians will vote for him. There is an Independent party that is filing for an unknown third party candidate as we speak in all 50 states. Paul is one of their top candidates. He has carefully sidestepped the question of running as a third party candidate. If Paul does run as an independent no Republican can be elected. Far too much of the base would be lost to Paul. If Paul keeps his word and sees this through to the end (and I think he will) it won't matter who the Republicans nominate at this time because Jesus is not available It is time the GOP woke up I think they have been outfoxed. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Catholic test
It was DEFINITELY Franco Harris. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Are you sure it's not Peyton? On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM, GregfromBoston greg.vinc...@yahoo.comwrote: Ann was was Immaculatley conceived, resluting in Mary, NOT Christ. We good? On Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:06:08 PM UTC-5, plainolamerican wrote: Chaz Bono? On Mar 8, 11:28 am, GregfromBoston greg.vinc...@yahoo.com wrote: Nope. Good bid though :-) Seriously though... On Mar 8, 12:27 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Peyton Manning? On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM, GregfromBoston greg.vinc...@yahoo.comwrote: Name the baby that was the product of, The Immaculate Conception? -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help seehttp://groups.google.com/** group/PoliticalForum http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.**com/http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: A Breach of Trust: House Republicans Cannot Be Trusted
/opinion/a-breach-of-trust.html?ref=. .. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: A Breach of Trust: House Republicans Cannot Be Trusted
“supercommittee” last year. If Mr. Boehner is to retain any credibility as a leader of the House and a responsible lawmaker, he needs to extinguish this rebellion and make it clear that a deal is a deal. More:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/10/opinion/a-breach-of-trust.html?ref=... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/http://www.politicalforum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: [GaysUnited] Gay-marriage referendum showdowns likely in 5 states, including NC
the only electorate in the nation that has voted to grant gay couples the same rights as heterosexual married couples — upholding a comprehensive domestic-partnership law in 2009. “We can’t take anything for granted — we have to make the case,” said -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Tenn. Principal Dorothy Bond Quits After Telling Gay Students They're Hell-Bound
Tommytomtom, Since when and by what law do people have to surrender their beliefs and the absolute right they have to communicate them? The difference between you and I is that I will die for your right to say what you please when you please and to whom you please... you believe that any belief contrary to your own or any words you find hurtful should be legislated out of existence.. You are anti-free speech, anti-american and an idiot for being so... however I will defend your right to be an idiot and hold beliefs I find repugnant. Too bad you won't and that you want to create a country that won't. On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: No, Annointed None, Hate speech is not Free Speech. Hate speech leads to violent hate crimes, animus, bullying, and suicides. You sound like a parrot for the far Reich wing extremist agenda of hatred and discrimination. Yes, you do.. On Mar 3, 11:32 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: The Haywood County Board of Education acknowledges its student body's right to free speech. Obviously they do not feel the Principal has that same right. Further, the Haywood County Board of Education strives to provide an atmosphere of tolerance and diversity while maintaining high academic standards. Obviously they do not extend tolerance and diversity to someone holding the Principals position. Just another group of hypocrites afraid to stand up for the rights of ALL. On Mar 3, 10:14 am, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Tenn. Principal Quits After Telling Gay Students They're Hell-Bound By Neal Broverman Tennessee high school principal Dorothy Bond has resigned under pressure following an incident in which she told gay students they were going to hell and a pregnant student that “her life was over.” Bond was the principal of Brownsville's Haywood County High School until Thursday, just days after her remarks were discovered by the press. During the contentious conversation, Bond was discussing which public displays of affection were appropriate at her school. She then turned to gay students and said, If you’re gay, you’re going to hell, and if you’re pregnant, your life is over, according to some students. Local reports indicate Bond later confirmed to her superintendent that she indeed uttered the remarks. Groups including the Human Rights Campaign called on Bond to resign — the HRC circulated a petition that received 5,000 signatures in four hours. After the announcement of Bond's resignation, the Haywood school system released the following statement: The Haywood County Board of Education acknowledges its student body's right to free speech. Further, the Haywood County Board of Education strives to provide an atmosphere of tolerance and diversity while maintaining high academic standards. More: http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2012/03/01/Tenn__Principal_Qu... -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: Anti-bullying Pink Project 2012 - YouTube
As should you and your biased, prejudiced, bigoted, misogynistic self. On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Annointed None- You have the right to be an offensive numbskull, but as such, you should exersise your right to remain silent. On Mar 3, 9:27 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommytomtom, I have every right NOT to accept anything I don't like. If I don't like it I have every right to tell it so. I also have the right to tell it why. I have the right to do this every time it comes into contact with me. You have the right to flaunt it...I have the right to reject it. On Mar 2, 1:27 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Anti-bullying Pink Project 2012 - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6ItjtlakQfeature=player_embedded -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
Re: The Homosexual Agenda
It wasn't my post...it was YOURS!!! Just how can YOUR post be a personal attack by ME?? My remarks were completely accurate Yours were not. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: Annointed None- Now I have to assume that YOU really are THAT stupid. Your personal attacks are officious and offensive. On Feb 29, 6:09 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE markmka...@gmail.com wrote: Tommy, Now I have to assume that you really are THAT stupid. On Feb 29, 2:07 pm, Tommy News tommysn...@gmail.com wrote: From Lisa Surely you've heard of the Homosexual Agenda over the years. Yet no one has actually seen the Agenda ...until now. After months of undercover work, I have been able to obtain a copy of the actual Homosexual Agenda directly from the Head Homosexual! 6:00 am - Gym 8:00 am - Breakfast (oatmeal and egg whites) 9:00 am - Hair appointment 10:00 am - Shopping 12:00 PM - Brunch 2:00 PM 1) Assume complete control of the U.S. Federal, State and Local Governments as well as all other national governments 2) Recruit all straight youngsters to our debauched lifestyle 3) Destroy all healthy heterosexual marriages 4) Replace all school counselors in grades K-12 with agents of Colombian and Jamaican drug cartels 5) Establish planetary chain of homo breeding gulags where over-medicated imprisoned straight women are turned into artificially impregnated baby factories to produce prepubescent love slaves for our devotedly pederastic gay leadership 6) bulldoze all houses of worship, and 7) Secure total control of the Internet and all mass media for the exclusive use of child pornographers. 2:30 PM - Get forty winks of beauty rest to prevent facial wrinkles from stress of world conquest 4:00 PM - Cocktails 6:00 PM - Light Dinner (soup, salad, Chardonnay) 8:00 PM - Theater 11:00 PM - Bed du jour HR -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
