Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Dave N sa såhär: Today I1m getting really annoyed at seeing 1 instead of apostrophes. CTM, PLEASE fix this for us! You do love us more than Microsoft does, ... don1t you? I wrote a script trying to solve this problem, which stumbled on the fact that the message source is read only. If it was changeable, the problem could be fixed with an applescript. Done completely by CTM would be better though. PM 5.5.2 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/400Mhz | 1GB RAM | 30GB HD
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Mikael Byström / 2007/02/28 / 03:50 PM wrote: Done completely by CTM would be better though. I agree. Apple Mail gave the workaround. Can we have one, too? An interesting side story: When OSX came out, digital audio vendors weren't ready for the new framework. This is why Apple had to buy out Emagic Logic so _someone_ have to work hard to program for OSX. All the plug-in vendors had to rewrite their products to work in Logic. Everyone believed the Logic's requirement was the AudioUnits spec. When MOTU came out with AU products, they won't work in Logic. By then, Logic admits they misunderstood Apple's AU spec. MOTU followed the spec to the letter, and it won't work. By the way, it was also Apple's fault the spec wasn't too clear when Logic had to be out there. This AU mess is much improved now, but some vendors like Waves, probably the biggest and most sold plug-in vendor, their AU version supports only Logic. This upsets us a lot, but they are still surviving in this game. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
I have been using an applescript that changes the incoming messages to whatever is on the clipboard. It isn't perfect, but it works. To use it, copy something to the clipboard first, then run this script from the PowerMail script menu to replace the entire text email message with the clipboard contents. Adapted from a 1999 Claris Emailer script. It's only 8k, and anyone interested can download it here: http://sbamug.com/drdave/powermail/ReplaceMsgText.zip Hopefully, this will provide an example of how to edit an incoming email via applescript. Hope this helps. Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix PS: Glad to see the list appears to be working again. in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Mikael Byström's message of 12:50 PM, 2/28/07 Dave N sa såhär: Today I1m getting really annoyed at seeing 1 instead of apostrophes. CTM, PLEASE fix this for us! You do love us more than Microsoft does, ... don1t you? I wrote a script trying to solve this problem, which stumbled on the fact that the message source is read only. If it was changeable, the problem could be fixed with an applescript. Done completely by CTM would be better though.
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Today I1m getting really annoyed at seeing 1 instead of apostrophes. CTM, PLEASE fix this for us! You do love us more than Microsoft does, ... don1t you? (you DO, right??) Best, Dave N in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Dave N's message of 12:05 PM, 2/8/07 Without getting into a tis/taint argument about WHO should fix the problem, and even though we all hope that CTMDEV cares more about PowerMail users than Microsoft does. How about a toolbar button that does a find/replace to fix these? For instances of *1* to detect a 1 in place of a single quote, replace with *'*. And so forth. So a word like don1t would be corrected to be don't. If it's really true that only humans can detect these poorly encoded messages, then let the humans push the button to replace the 1,2, or 3 with ' and . Part of the problem is that according to the Rest of the World, my email program of choice is lame because it can1t properly display messages that 2everybody else3 can. Actually, I would LOVE to have a find/replace feature in PowerMail. I live in PowerMail a lot more than any other word processor, and yet I find myself copy/pasting entire messages into TextWrangler for simple things, like find/replace a certain expression or word. Then select all/ copy/paste back to PowerMail. DaveN in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), PowerMail Engineering's message of 12:12 AM, 2/8/07 Dave N wrote: It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage 2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client? Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well? Other email programs seem to deal with it ok. These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Alan Harper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-02-08 13:24 said: While we are on the subject of Microsoft engineers, this is a good article on those stupid winmail.dat files: http://www.gpc.edu/%7Ejbenson/resource/winmail.htm IMNSHO, PowerMail should most definitely add a feature to deal with this nuisance. (Yes, I could fix it with an AppleScript, but CTM can fix it better. :)) -- Good artists borrow from the work of others, great artists steal - Picasso
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(Yes, I could fix it with an AppleScript, but CTM can fix it better. :)) It's interesting because I started working on a script last night and found that trying to use the content of the message got very messy pretty quickly. However, using the source (which is HTML) of the message was much easier to deal with, but it meant invoking something to deal with the HTML. I'll probably work on my script a bit more tonight and see where it goes, but I wasn't super happy with what I was seeing. Wayne
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Dave N Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:05:12 -0800 Actually, I would LOVE to have a find/replace feature in PowerMail. I live in PowerMail a lot more than any other word processor, and yet I find myself copy/pasting entire messages into TextWrangler for simple things, like find/replace a certain expression or word. Then select all/ copy/paste back to PowerMail. DaveN I second the motion. Would same me a lot of time when composing involved emails.
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Dave N wrote: It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage 2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client? Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well? Other email programs seem to deal with it ok. These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - PowerMail is the best, most powerful email client for Mac OS X bar none. PowerMail user comment on www.versiontracker.com Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
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How many Microsoft Engineers does it take to change a light bulb? (You can google the punch-line) On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:21 +0100 PowerMail Engineering said: These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded...
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Jérôme sez: These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. LOL!!! That's hilarious! And IE should use only W3C standard tags so we don't get messages like Your browser is not supported, please use IE... Microsoft's attitude will always be, 90% of users don't have a problem, therefore there is no problem to fix. I agree with you in principle, but until much more than 10% use MS standard products, MS won't be fixing anything. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded... So, is there no way to detect whether a message is poorly or properly encoded and adjust the quotes accordingly? -- -- Tom Dillon900 S. Coors Dr. DataCraft Lakewood, CO 80228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 720/962-4880 -- The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. -- Arthur C Clarke --
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While we are on the subject of Microsoft engineers, this is a good article on those stupid winmail.dat files: http://www.gpc.edu/%7Ejbenson/resource/winmail.htm And if you are really a glutton for punishment, catch up on Verity Stob's postings at http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/02/06/ pegasus_farewell/. On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:11:08 -0700 Tom Dillon said: Jérôme sez: These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. LOL!!! That's hilarious! And IE should use only W3C standard tags so we don't get messages like Your browser is not supported, please use IE... Microsoft's attitude will always be, 90% of users don't have a problem, therefore there is no problem to fix. I agree with you in principle, but until much more than 10% use MS standard products, MS won't be fixing anything. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded... So, is there no way to detect whether a message is poorly or properly encoded and adjust the quotes accordingly? -- -- Tom Dillon900 S. Coors Dr. DataCraft Lakewood, CO 80228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 720/962-4880 -- The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. -- Arthur C Clarke --
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Without getting into a tis/taint argument about WHO should fix the problem, and even though we all hope that CTMDEV cares more about PowerMail users than Microsoft does. How about a toolbar button that does a find/replace to fix these? For instances of *1* to detect a 1 in place of a single quote, replace with *'*. And so forth. So a word like don1t would be corrected to be don't. If it's really true that only humans can detect these poorly encoded messages, then let the humans push the button to replace the 1,2, or 3 with ' and . Part of the problem is that according to the Rest of the World, my email program of choice is lame because it can1t properly display messages that 2everybody else3 can. Actually, I would LOVE to have a find/replace feature in PowerMail. I live in PowerMail a lot more than any other word processor, and yet I find myself copy/pasting entire messages into TextWrangler for simple things, like find/replace a certain expression or word. Then select all/ copy/paste back to PowerMail. DaveN in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), PowerMail Engineering's message of 12:12 AM, 2/8/07 Dave N wrote: It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage 2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client? Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well? Other email programs seem to deal with it ok. These messages are badly encoded. Microsoft should fix this problem. Some other email programs display these messages correctly, either because they display the HTML part (which do not have this problem), or because they have hard-coded the fact that entourage messages are badly encoded. But if Microsoft fixes the problem, good Entourage messages will now look as if they were badly encoded... Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering
curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
Hi, I get a lot of emails that include numbers instead of punctuation. Like this: I1ve got an office of users ready for a lynching - mine as a result of issues they are experiencing with Word. I1ve done a fair amount of research I can see that where I would expect single quote ', I see a 1. Sometimes it is a 2, or 3 for similar punctuation marks, like double quotes. Usually these senders are using a MS mail program, and I think they are using curly quotes. What can a PowerMail user do so their emails will look correct when received? I'm in USA, and my PowerMail prefs are set to: Languge family: US/Western Europe Use Character set: ISO-8859-1 (Latin1, Western Europe) TIA, DaveN
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
I think that this is an Outlook Express Bug. If I remember correctly, Outlook Express says that it is using one character encoding and actually uses a different one. Look at the headers to see if all are from the same mail client, then do a google search. But I think the answer is, if you are going to lynch someone, perhaps you should find a microsoft engineer. A On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:14:38 -0800 Dave N said: Hi, I get a lot of emails that include numbers instead of punctuation. Like this: I1ve got an office of users ready for a lynching - mine as a result of issues they are experiencing with Word. I1ve done a fair amount of research I can see that where I would expect single quote ', I see a 1. Sometimes it is a 2, or 3 for similar punctuation marks, like double quotes. Usually these senders are using a MS mail program, and I think they are using curly quotes. What can a PowerMail user do so their emails will look correct when received? I'm in USA, and my PowerMail prefs are set to: Languge family: US/Western Europe Use Character set: ISO-8859-1 (Latin1, Western Europe) TIA, DaveN
Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3
It also happens with emails sent from the newest version of MS Entourage 2004 for Mac. Does that count as a different email client? Is there a setting I can make in PowerMail that will deal with this well? Other email programs seem to deal with it ok. D Nathanson in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alan Harper's message of 10:26 AM, 2/7/07 I think that this is an Outlook Express Bug. If I remember correctly, Outlook Express says that it is using one character encoding and actually uses a different one. Look at the headers to see if all are from the same mail client, then do a google search. But I think the answer is, if you are going to lynch someone, perhaps you should find a microsoft engineer. A On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:14:38 -0800 Dave N said: Hi, I get a lot of emails that include numbers instead of punctuation. Like this: I1ve got an office of users ready for a lynching - mine as a result of issues they are experiencing with Word. I1ve done a fair amount of research I can see that where I would expect single quote ', I see a 1. Sometimes it is a 2, or 3 for similar punctuation marks, like double quotes. Usually these senders are using a MS mail program, and I think they are using curly quotes. What can a PowerMail user do so their emails will look correct when received? I'm in USA, and my PowerMail prefs are set to: Languge family: US/Western Europe Use Character set: ISO-8859-1 (Latin1, Western Europe) TIA, DaveN
