RE: VFP9: Editbox disabled but scrollable
Now they turn up :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 24 August 2007 13:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VFP9: Editbox disabled but scrollable Does read only work Allen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 25/08/2007 17:00 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Chop their hands off I say And mean it. You work hard to get things and some low life that never bothered, thinks they can just take what they cant earn. We need a new Australia. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen the Cook Have you ever been a victim of a crime Ted? Someone break into your car, home, apt, business, or your identity? When it happens to you don't think that It's alright. Sorry but you feel the opposite, or at least I did. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 25/08/2007 17:00 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] New discovered Global Warming hazard
On 8/25/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go back 4 billion years and look at the graph. Oh wait, we don't have temperaturer records for the last 4 billion years. The Earth's not that old, remember :-) So looking at the last 200 years with respect to 4,000,000,000 years tells us what exactly? That's equivilent to watching the last 17 minutes of the stock market and making a projection for the next 100 years. Rubbish. It doesn't stop you using this study's findings to harp on about 1938 being the hottest on record. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Whoops! Hottest years was in 1930s
On 8/25/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/CSM/story?id=3523859page=1 Not if you look at the 5-year average. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 25, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Ted Roche wrote: What are you planning on doing, starting Rick's Genuine Advantage? Yeah, I'll bet that sales will boom when people have to deal with that to use his software! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 25, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: So if your committed to open source then fine. If your not, you should protect yourself as best you can. I have decorative security doors on my home to protect me from the bad people. Why not do the same with my products out for sale? They'll keep out the good people, too. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 12:03 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: Have you ever been a victim of a crime Ted? Someone break into your car, home, apt, business, or your identity? When it happens to you don't think that It's alright. Sorry but you feel the opposite, or at least I did. Funny that you're using the 'crime' argument while talking about a company that has single-handedly had to pay more in settlements for them breaking intellectual property laws than all other companies combined. A better analogy would be a thief who uses his knowledge of crime to protect his stolen goods from being re-stolen. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Using Excel to handle VPF data
Andy Davies wrote:
I do it the other way and use vfp to 'push' data to Excel
If anyone's interested here is how I do it:
My main form has a dataObj with properties for the database connection and
the name of a view or table of de-normalised data (I'm using a backend
database but the same techniques would work for fox data).
An option on the main form (menu, button, click event, w.h.y.) calls a
modal form with a vfp field picker object on it, the user selects the
fields they want and click a button to create a spreadsheet from the data.
...
..
.
IF RECCOUNT() 0 THEN
cFile = PUTFILE('What name?',ALIAS(),'XLS')
COPY TO (cFile) TYPE XL5
(snipped)
I was rereading old mails of interest and I begun wondering.
The COPY TO ... TYPE XL5 will only copy about 16000 records (VFP6). Is
there a way to override this and copy more (or up to 64000)?
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[OT] Foreign Policy Experience
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RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: So if your committed to open source then fine. If your not, you should protect yourself as best you can. I have decorative security doors on my home to protect me from the bad people. Why not do the same with my products out for sale? They'll keep out the good people, too. Maybe those are not the good people then? Maybe they are so fickle they WONT use proper power protection in their server room or replace them as needed? Their inability to follow directions could backfire and create the new nasty client who blames your code base for their own internal problems. Or it could backfire and make someone pitch a fit because they have to do something more just to be a customer? Ed do you fly today, or did you say F-it with all that new security just to get on a plane. As a people we do have to change to overcome problems in the past. Striking the SS# on printed material. It use to be fine, not any more. Heck it use to be your license # in Hawaii. I am not going into EULA changes under the same product, just a more robust definition of rights ownership. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 5:00 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On 8/26/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny that you're using the 'crime' argument while talking about a company that has single-handedly had to pay more in settlements for them breaking intellectual property laws than all other companies combined. MS (and most everyone else) knows there's some pirating of their code going on. They have used it as a way to beat out the competition and then tighten up on the rules to get folks to buy the upgrades. First hit's free is the name of the marketing scheme, I think. AutoDesk beat up GM pretty badly over pirated AutoCADs a while ago. I don't have a problem with this, and GM ought to pay up. I don't believe we have any software here we haven't a legitimate paid-up license for. I believe most business are pretty scrupulous about this. And, yes, we all have an anecdote about that numskull former client or former boss who stole software or electricity or something else. There will always be thieves. You hope they get theirs in the end. To everyone who's asked if I have every been robbed or mugged or had my car or house broken into: yes. (I've been shot at and even depth-charged, too.) Equating physical property with intellectual property is a lazy way out of this discussion. The former are criminal offenses. Prior to DMCA, the latter were civil matters of copyright and contractual violation. Equating the two is a stretch. In the first, a thief takes a possesion away so you can no longer use it. In the second, a consumer uses a item in violation of an agreement that the user may or may not have agreed to, and may or may not have had any choice to agree to; a coerced agreement is rarely a legitimate one. And dragging in open source is equally lazy. This isn't some idiotic argument about everything ought to be free. Apache is free for the download. IIS comes with the purchase of a license (or two or three, and maybe CALs) for a Windows server product. That's the marketplace and there's nothing wrong with that. There's lots of for-pay open source models, and many of them are doing well. The open source gifting economy and the proprietary software economy are competing models, and both probably benefit from the other. Competition is good. Don't throw the open source red herring in here. What's bad is Digital Restriction Management that prevents you from using your machine and your software to get your job done. If I'm at 35,000 feet going cross-country with my laptop when it decides I have to contact the vendor to re-validate my license. Or my vendor's servers are inaccessible and I'm without the product. Ten thousand years from now, alien archeologists will visit the cratered remains of planet Earth and be unable to read our proprietary undocumented Visio formatted files because they can't get their product key to validate. Seems a shame, but probably won't be that great a loss. Just last weekend, I bought a PDF from the Pragmatic Bookshelf imprint. They generate the PDF on the fly, and the bottom of every page says something like Prepared exclusively for Ted Roche. Good motivation not to share, for me, as Stephen notes, others are not as motivated. (I recall getting a school report a few years ago that said EXPIRED EVALUATION COPY at the top and bottom of every page. When I asked, I was told it always said that. Man!). Anyway, I tried this PDF on my Linux box under evince, and didn't like the fonts. I tried in on Windows using Acrobat Reader 8, and I tried in on the iMac under Tiger. I saved it to my home directory on the network so I could access it from whatever machine I happened to me on at the time. I use it like a book: Only I have access to it. If the team all needed to simultaneously use the book, I'd buy them all copies. If we wanted a copy as a corporate reference, I'd check with the publisher about a site license. What I appreciated was the trust the vendor gave in me to let me mess with the PDF on various platforms, displays and font settings. I wasn't locked out. I had the freedom to use the media in the way that was best for me. At the same time, I respected the publisher's right to prominently display the fact that this book was not freely distributable. I have no problem paying for things of value. As an author, I appreciate when others feel the same way. This isn't about free the price, it's about free as in freedom. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
MB Software Solutions wrote: Stephen the Cook wrote: snipped I have decorative security doors on my home to protect me from the bad people. Why not do the same with my products out for sale? ...right next to the Welcome sign, eh? g Bigfoot kicked in my back door 17 years or so ago. They took TV entertainment, a lot of my wife's family pieces out of her jewelry box, a computer, etc. I was not a happy camper. The dealing with the loss was very trying. The phone calls from security companies who read the police blotter that I got broken into. The insurance company telling me that they were going to dump my policy because it was the second claim in a year. Trust me, when they say that no other insurance company will pick you up. It tried to replace them for years because I was so moved by their implication that I was somehow the BAD person. This is what my doors look like. http://amsd.thomasnet.com/ImgMedium/a0001005.jpg I worked for a local company who made them, doing FPW, SBT TIW work back in 98/99. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 5:00 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: Bigfoot kicked in my back door 17 years or so ago. They took TV entertainment, a lot of my wife's family pieces out of her jewelry box, a computer, etc. I was not a happy camper. The dealing with the loss was very trying. Yeah, that's exactly what happens when someone uses your software without paying. Thanks for the typically accurate post! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Allen wrote: Chop their hands off I say And mean it. You work hard to get things and some low life that never bothered, thinks they can just take what they cant earn. We need a new Australia. Allen ??? Explain that We need a new Austrailia comment. Are there severely harsh laws down there? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070825-windows-genuine-advantage-suffers-worldwide-outage-problems-galore.html Everyone knows that this is undoubtedly the work of those open source communists. I'm sure we'll see Balmer place the blame along these lines next week. Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: Everyone knows that this is undoubtedly the work of those open source communists. You mean like Microsoft? http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/08/21/microsoft_google_osi/ -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
C'mon, Rick, tell me that you think that MS DRM stops anyone who wants a cracked version of Windows. Get real. Anyone who wants one can find one. DRM just hurts those who are trying to follow the rules, when the vendor doesn't live up to their end of the bargain, or installs a rootkit that causes problems, goes out of business, or decides they don't want you doing what you're doing. Ted, We all know nothing is 100% fool proof. A hacker is going to cheat if he can. Period. That does not make it right, nor does it justify that companies should just turn their head and not protect what is rightly theirs to protect. As Ed so kindly points out to another point in this discussion in another message, this is a lazy argument. I agree with you that rootkits are bad (I doubt there are many who would think they are a good thing). I agree that software should work. I even agree that it is a shame that Microsoft had a glitch and people could not register their OS. Stooopid for sure. That does not mean they should not fix it and keep trying to correctly protect their intellectual property. I was just disagreeing with your statement that companies should not protect their investment. DRM is a bad technique that doesn't work. This may be correct. But all developers assemble techniques to solve problems, and eventually they find one that works and one that becomes the best practice. Maybe the approach to DRM has not found the sweet spot at solving this criminal behavior. But then again, staying ahead of evil has been something people have been solving throughout history and it is a tough nut to crack. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Ted Roche wrote: To everyone who's asked if I have every been robbed or mugged or had my car or house broken into: yes. (I've been shot at and even depth-charged, too.) Equating physical property with intellectual property is a lazy way out of this discussion. Yesterday we bought a basket of peaches from the local farmers market. When we got them home, two of them turned out to be damaged and rotting, and had to be thrown away. I immediately reported the farm stand to the police, since they stole from me by charging me for a full basket when I didn't get a full basket that was edible. Why is this laughable? Because everyone knows that it's the nature of fresh produce to occasionally spoil, and a couple of bad pieces in a basket is not unusual. In fact, one of the reasons that produce is so much cheaper at these markets than at a grocery store is because the likelihood of a few bad pieces is accepted, and that the price reflects that fact. It is the nature of digital products to be able to be copied infinitely without degradation. It is expected that some copies will be made that we didn't authorize. Every attempt to stop this ends up doing more harm than good. Smart developers, rather than fighting the nature of digital products such as software, learn to use that to their advantage. One of the first successful software programs for microcomputers was VisiCalc. The authors credit pirated copies for getting a foothold in most companies, and these copies were later turned into fully-licensed copies later on as company bean counters recognized the value it brought to their business. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: staying ahead of evil Ooohh, oooh! Evil-doers!!! ;-) I consider a company that would make a product that incorrectly prevents me from using a copy I legitimately purchased to be much, much more evil than someone who uses an unlicensed copy. Why? Because in the former case, I've actually paid for the thing, and money is not a digital resource, so my resources have been reduced. Giving me a product that incorrectly refuses to work is stealing. Copying a digital resource does not reduce anyone's resources; what's 'taken' is the potential sale, which is at best nebulous. If a zillion copies of your software were made, how much does that reduce your bank account? Zero. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Ed, They'll keep out the good people, too. Obviously this is true, but how many? Do you have any statistics you are basing this on, or are you just generalizing? I am not talking about a glitch here and there. I think we can agree on the fact this does happen. We might have read the same stories when the person is on the plane working on the big proposal and the DRM kicks in, and she does not have her installation CD. It happens. How often and what percentage of the usage? Let us compare this to something I think has happened to just about everyone on the list. How many more people have had the program disable because of a bug we put in the applications we have written? Or how many times have you been using another application that has a bug in it that disables you from doing your job? I doubt the DRM issue is as big a deal as normal/regular crippling bugs, but I am guessing (and maybe generalizing). Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 08:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore On Aug 25, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: So if your committed to open source then fine. If your not, you should protect yourself as best you can. I have decorative security doors on my home to protect me from the bad people. Why not do the same with my products out for sale? They'll keep out the good people, too. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
I've also had my copywritten materials stolen. No doubt. It is a shame. Kind of makes you wonder why you even established the copyright? Oh, that's right, you were trying to protect your intellectual property beg (and sorry for the cheap shot - but know I am doing this with humor as my motive) What are you planning on doing, starting Rick's Genuine Advantage? Nope, not a chance. While at Geeks and Gurus, Steve Sawyer considered adding it to the ViewEditor using some goofy scheme with the Crypto API via the FFC object. Took one test build to realize it does not work the same on two different OS versions. Dumped it because the two of us agreed it was not worth the effort, and the headaches it might trigger for delivery and support. We did not want to worry about the 2% hacker/thieves, and make it hard for the 98% who were going to buy it. But it was our choice. I guess if I was selling tons of licenses, or was delivering a vertical market application I might feel the need to protect it and would have the resources to do so, but the developer tools are such a small part of my revenue stream that I don't feel compelled to implement any of it. I have had people email me for support who are not licensed users of the tools. Cracks me up every time and I kindly answer their questions. I am a strong believer in building good karma. In the long run, everyone will benefit. And to be clear in my statement of having my IP stolen and flaunted in front of me... the developer tools customers were not even considered when I wrote it. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Yeah, I'll bet that sales will boom when people have to deal with that to use his software! Interesting. I never thought adding this feature would boost sales. I wish I would have thought of putting this in years ago, thanks for the advice Ed. g Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 08:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore On Aug 25, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Ted Roche wrote: What are you planning on doing, starting Rick's Genuine Advantage? Yeah, I'll bet that sales will boom when people have to deal with that to use his software! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: They'll keep out the good people, too. Obviously this is true, but how many? Do you have any statistics you are basing this on, or are you just generalizing? No, I have not spent my time compiling statistics. If that means that everything is therefore just dandy for you, so be it. When Activation was introduced, there were numerous reports of failures that had to be resolved by calling Microsoft and getting special override keys once they could demonstrate that they owned a legal copy. Do you remember that? Now here we have people who were being honest, but who were treated as though they were criminals. They had to prove their innocence before they would be allowed to use a product that they had paid for. How much is their time worth? I know what I charge, or what my lawyer charges. And unlike copies of software, time is not an infinitely copyable thing. When my time is taken from me, it's gone. Adding this to Windows stole valuable time from (hundreds, thousands - you supply your number) of people, and that is an actual theft, as opposed to a virtual theft that you are so frightened of. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: Interesting. I never thought adding this feature would boost sales. I wish I would have thought of putting this in years ago, thanks for the advice Ed. g Just be sure to send my cut of the profits! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Ed Leafe wrote: It is the nature of digital products to be able to be copied infinitely without degradation. It is expected that some copies will be made that we didn't authorize. Every attempt to stop this ends up doing more harm than good. Smart developers, rather than fighting the nature of digital products such as software, learn to use that to their advantage. One of the first successful software programs for microcomputers was VisiCalc. The authors credit pirated copies for getting a foothold in most companies, and these copies were later turned into fully-licensed copies later on as company bean counters recognized the value it brought to their business. Reminds me of Whil (?? at a WhilFest in the past?) saying that only drug dealers and software companies call their customers users. And drug dealers get users--repeat paying customers--by first giving them the stuff for free and getting the users hooked on their product. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] New discovered Global Warming hazard
Yes Paul, because that's a verifiable fact, not fantasy. It doesn't stop you using this study's findings to harp on about 1938 being the hottest on record. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Whoops! Hottest years was in 1930s
How come we're not looking at the 4 billion year average? --- Paul Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/25/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/CSM/story?id=3523859page=1 Not if you look at the 5-year average. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. 2008 Presidential Campaign Gear http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/2772083 Thoroughbred Horse Racing Group http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/mikes_horse_racing/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Giving me a product that incorrectly refuses to work is stealing. Definitely, no argument from me and there are consumer laws that will protect you as the consumer. You can go return the product and ask for your money back. Done. You also have the right to choose not to buy the product in the first place. Done. If a zillion copies of your software were made, how much does that reduce your bank account? Zero. That makes it completely right then. What was I thinking?!? We should ignore the fact that we all make a living making software and we get paid for our hard work crafting the software, and people can steal it much faster and easier than anything else on the plant. While my bank account does not have a penny removed, it also does not get a penny added when someone copies it and uses it without authorization. This is also stealing Ed. Stealing is not right either way. You can say one is worse than the other, but in the end they are both wrong. And in case you don't recall, we consume resources to build the software. You just can't see brainwaves without a machine. Also used monetary resources to purchase the computer, the software, and the electricity. If I spend one day building something and it never gets purchased more than once, and copied millions of times I would consider my bank account going negative. I am not even addressing lost opportunity costs because some thief decides buying one license justifies installing it on numerous computers. My favorite example of this is the most obvious one: WinZip. I can't tell you how many developers I have worked with over the years start up WinZip and it prompts with the number of days since it was installed and where to go pay for a license. $30 is cheap and most people cannot live without a tool like it because we all use ZIP files. Stealing and Stoopid, by people who should know better. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 01:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: staying ahead of evil Ooohh, oooh! Evil-doers!!! ;-) I consider a company that would make a product that incorrectly prevents me from using a copy I legitimately purchased to be much, much more evil than someone who uses an unlicensed copy. Why? Because in the former case, I've actually paid for the thing, and money is not a digital resource, so my resources have been reduced. Giving me a product that incorrectly refuses to work is stealing. Copying a digital resource does not reduce anyone's resources; what's 'taken' is the potential sale, which is at best nebulous. If a zillion copies of your software were made, how much does that reduce your bank account? Zero. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Just be sure to send my cut of the profits! The check is already in the mail. Don't spend it all in one spot. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 2:21 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Reminds me of Whil (?? at a WhilFest in the past?) saying that only drug dealers and software companies call their customers users. And drug dealers get users--repeat paying customers--by first giving them the stuff for free and getting the users hooked on their product. Yeah, that's cute, but it ignores the distinction that drugs are not digital. If you take my drugs, I can't sell them to someone else. Software is nothing like that, and the constant attempt to portray it as such hurts the discussion. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
When Activation was introduced, there were numerous reports of failures that had to be resolved by calling Microsoft and getting special override keys once they could demonstrate that they owned a legal copy. Do you remember that? Now here we have people who were being honest, but who were treated as though they were criminals. They had to prove their innocence before they would be allowed to use a product that they had paid for. I am not sure if you have been through this process. I have and recently. I was printing out a document to create an Acrobat PDF. Acrobat fires up to preview the document. Up pops a message I have seen a couple of times before about my config changing and prompted me to re-activate. Strange, but I tell it to do so. This time it comes back and says it cannot activate and I can no longer use this program. The reason is I have it on another machine on my network. Curious, but it was right. It just so happens I had my old laptop up and running to test a build of software. I called Adobe to get this cleared up. The women who helped me though it told me to uninstall it on the old machine first, then she would help me re-activate the current production machine. Not even a sly remark about me being a criminal. She even waited patiently for me to remove the unused and duplicate copy. Sure it was 10 minutes out of my day, and frankly I was embarrassed this even happened to me, but I completely understood why. I suspect most of the time when this reactivation happens it is as innocent as my case. As mentioned already, unfortunate, but obviously deemed necessary. I have re-activated Windows and Office too over the phone for various clients and myself. Not even a remote hint of being called or referred to being a criminal. That is enough for a Sunday. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 02:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: They'll keep out the good people, too. Obviously this is true, but how many? Do you have any statistics you are basing this on, or are you just generalizing? No, I have not spent my time compiling statistics. If that means that everything is therefore just dandy for you, so be it. When Activation was introduced, there were numerous reports of failures that had to be resolved by calling Microsoft and getting special override keys once they could demonstrate that they owned a legal copy. Do you remember that? Now here we have people who were being honest, but who were treated as though they were criminals. They had to prove their innocence before they would be allowed to use a product that they had paid for. How much is their time worth? I know what I charge, or what my lawyer charges. And unlike copies of software, time is not an infinitely copyable thing. When my time is taken from me, it's gone. Adding this to Windows stole valuable time from (hundreds, thousands - you supply your number) of people, and that is an actual theft, as opposed to a virtual theft that you are so frightened of. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: If a zillion copies of your software were made, how much does that reduce your bank account? Zero. That makes it completely right then. What was I thinking?!? Obviously, you aren't thinking, or at least not reading. Nowhere did I say that it made it OK; my point was only that comparing it to the theft of non-digital, i.e., irreplaceable resources was wrong. As long as you continue to equate the two, you weaken your argument. And you make it impossible for anyone with a different opinion to be heard, since they are, by your and SR's definition, promoting the breaking and entering of houses as being OK, too. There are legitimate points to be made on both sides. There is no need to resort to dishonest analogies. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On Aug 26, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Rick Schummer wrote: I was printing out a document to create an Acrobat PDF. Acrobat fires up to preview the document. Up pops a message I have seen a couple of times before about my config changing and prompted me to re-activate. Strange, but I tell it to do so. This time it comes back and says it cannot activate and I can no longer use this program. The reason is I have it on another machine on my network. Curious, but it was right. It just so happens I had my old laptop up and running to test a build of software. I called Adobe to get this cleared up. The women who helped me though it told me to uninstall it on the old machine first, then she would help me re-activate the current production machine. Not even a sly remark about me being a criminal. She even waited patiently for me to remove the unused and duplicate copy. Sure it was 10 minutes out of my day, and frankly I was embarrassed this even happened to me, but I completely understood why. Ah, and had this not happened, how much money would Adobe have lost? Sounds like they're chasing ghosts. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Ah, and had this not happened, how much money would Adobe have lost? Sounds like they're chasing ghosts. And if I was really using one license on two machines for the purpose of running my business? $400. It is their right to chase ghosts if that is how they want to spend their profits, even if it means they could drive away customers. I am sure they have done the cost benefit analysis of this before implementing it, just as I have with my software. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Calling Firefox from VFP
Dave, You are correct. Thanks for that I'll give it a look. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Thayer Sent: 24 August 2007 18:00 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Calling Firefox from VFP On 8/24/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone out there know how to call Firefox as a substitute for Internet Explorer? I bet you googled with firefox as a keyword instead of mozilla or gecko ;-) Have a look at the Gecko Embedding FAQ at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/faq.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2a5k 98 for general background. This contains a link to Mozilla ActiveX Project http://www.iol.ie/%7Elocka/mozilla/control.htmhttp://tinyurl.com/yqhn3g which looks like it might address your question. HTH dt -- Dave Thayer Denver, CO [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
On 8/26/07, MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allen wrote: Chop their hands off I say And mean it. You work hard to get things and some low life that never bothered, thinks they can just take what they cant earn. We need a new Australia. Allen ??? Explain that We need a new Austrailia comment. Are there severely harsh laws down there? hmm,Australia started out as a penal colony A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Dang! Ed and I agree on one more thang! JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:33 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Ted Roche wrote: To everyone who's asked if I have every been robbed or mugged or had my car or house broken into: yes. (I've been shot at and even depth-charged, too.) Equating physical property with intellectual property is a lazy way out of this discussion. Yesterday we bought a basket of peaches from the local farmers market. When we got them home, two of them turned out to be damaged and rotting, and had to be thrown away. I immediately reported the farm stand to the police, since they stole from me by charging me for a full basket when I didn't get a full basket that was edible. Why is this laughable? Because everyone knows that it's the nature of fresh produce to occasionally spoil, and a couple of bad pieces in a basket is not unusual. In fact, one of the reasons that produce is so much cheaper at these markets than at a grocery store is because the likelihood of a few bad pieces is accepted, and that the price reflects that fact. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shelbynet.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
Rick Schummer wrote: My favorite example of this is the most obvious one: WinZip. I can't tell you how many developers I have worked with over the years start up WinZip and it prompts with the number of days since it was installed and where to go pay for a license. $30 is cheap and most people cannot live without a tool like it because we all use ZIP files. Stealing and Stoopid, by people who should know better. Wow...great example. WinZip would be the best example I could think of, too. And then I recall unsavory folks distributing the CHMs of HWP books too. Not cool. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
One example of a company charging a license in a practical manner is 2BrightSparks (SyncBack). It does an incredible job of performing file backups, uses VSS on XP and 2003 server (where VSS criteria are met), and the license is only $30. But wait, there's more! For home users you can use the software on up to 5 PCs, whereas business users are expected to pay the more than reasonable $30 license for each business PC it is used on. They have a great product, provide good on-line support, charge a reasonable fee, and cut slack to folks who use the product for personal use. I would feel so very guilty were I to try to take overt advantage of such a reasonable license. In my case I use my PCs for personal and business use. Where should I fall? I take no chances, and paid the $30/PC. I largely did this because I do use the PCs for business, and that is the license fee structure. But I also did it as a reward to a company that has a great pricing model - fair balanced. I feel their app would be cheap at twice the price, frankly. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore Rick Schummer wrote: My favorite example of this is the most obvious one: WinZip. I can't tell you how many developers I have worked with over the years start up WinZip and it prompts with the number of days since it was installed and where to go pay for a license. $30 is cheap and most people cannot live without a tool like it because we all use ZIP files. Stealing and Stoopid, by people who should know better. Wow...great example. WinZip would be the best example I could think of, too. And then I recall unsavory folks distributing the CHMs of HWP books too. Not cool. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] New discovered Global Warming hazard
I never said to prove it, I asked for you to supply something besides just righteous indignation. Well, thank you for the recognition that my indignation is righteous. I become angry when people attempt to screw up my life, my country, my grandkids futures by telling everyone that we are too stupid to figure things out that we need a messiah like Algore or Michael Moore to tell us the 'truth'. And they do this on the basis of the pseudoscience of 'global warming'. I've given you something... you don't see it. What is the old saying, there is none so blind as he who will not see. If you do not see that the inmates have taken over the academic assylum, then you may well be in agreement with their radical agenda. Then you would not recognize them as America hating, free enterprise hating, socialists. There is nothing I can say to break through. You have not seen reports of universities denying conservative speakers the right to a civil hearing while welcoming most any kind if non-conformist kook? This is in what is supposed to be the bastian of free speech. It appears that the only speech they want protected is speech they agree with. One instance I will tell you about that you may not have heard about in your universe is the shameful incident where Ann Coulter was hit with a pie. Being a gentleman, I would not even do that the Madam Hillary, though she richly deserves it. ;-) 'Global warming' gurus are promoting something that borders on a mass hysteria and lining their pockets handsomely or accumulating influence to control our lives... or, worse yet, both! They have the media puffing their cause and many politicians so intimidated that there are only a few brave souls who have the courage to say, the emperor has no clothes! That's all you're going to get from me. By being on this list, I would think you have a degree of intelligence. Use it to examine the 'mights' and 'coulds' and 'potentials' of the 'global warming' hype. Please don't let a slob like Michael Moore think for you. You're probably better than that, I believe. Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server?
One of the apps I'm assisting a company with has an SQL Server table with more than 255 columns. Is there anyway to read it in Fox? I am getting the dreaded 1872 error when I try to. Of course, the obvious answer is, don't bring down more than 255 columns, but I need to update every field back to the server, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated- Steve ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server?
* this code will get all columns from a SQL Server - handy when * there are more than 255 columns. SQLEXEC(dsn,[exec sp_columns 'incident_name'],'c_columns') JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ellenoff Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:28 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server? One of the apps I'm assisting a company with has an SQL Server table with more than 255 columns. Is there anyway to read it in Fox? I am getting the dreaded 1872 error when I try to. Of course, the obvious answer is, don't bring down more than 255 columns, but I need to update every field back to the server, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated- Steve [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shelbynet.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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RE: Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server?
I guess I should tell you to replace incident_name with your table name. Jh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Harvey Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:41 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server? * this code will get all columns from a SQL Server - handy when * there are more than 255 columns. SQLEXEC(dsn,[exec sp_columns 'incident_name'],'c_columns') JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ellenoff Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:28 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Workaround for Error 1872 - Too many columns from SQL Server? One of the apps I'm assisting a company with has an SQL Server table with more than 255 columns. Is there anyway to read it in Fox? I am getting the dreaded 1872 error when I try to. Of course, the obvious answer is, don't bring down more than 255 columns, but I need to update every field back to the server, so any suggestions are greatly appreciated- Steve [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shelbynet.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
