Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Cully


On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...


RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a 
RealBasic application.  This should give you a good idea on what it's 
like working with the IDE and working with data.  Make sure you full 
screen it so you can get a good look at the code.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY


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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Alan Bourke


 On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
  What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP?

I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are
well behind us, thankfully. 

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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are
 well behind us, thankfully. 

+1


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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Cully
It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly.  It makes 
it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in 
VFP.  Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is 
sweet.  (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.)


If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I 
wholeheartedly agree.  People want freedom with their database choice 
and their ability to extend it.


Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary 
database and ridiculous licensing fees?



On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are 
well behind us, thankfully.



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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative 
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked 
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence 
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network 
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they 
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.


Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post 
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants 
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a 
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! 
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.


Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a 
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT 
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.


I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit 
has accomplished.


Mike

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From: Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 10:12 AM
It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly.  It makes 
it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in 
VFP.  Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is 
sweet.  (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.)


If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I 
wholeheartedly agree.  People want freedom with their database choice 
and their ability to extend it.


Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary 
database and ridiculous licensing fees?



On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are 
well behind us, thankfully.



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[NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to 
mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?



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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland

You nailed the nose on the hammer!

windoze over...pretty much anything.

Mike

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mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com

To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 1:52 PM
On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to 
mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another. More?





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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS 
- but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad 
example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, 
alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - 
and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ 
spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  
History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 
comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?






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Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Hey Kevin - thanks for this - mucho appreciated! Am going to look at in 
a couple of moments...


-K-


On 11/16/2012 10:46 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:


On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:
What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...


RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a 
RealBasic application.  This should give you a good idea on what it's 
like working with the IDE and working with data.  Make sure you full 
screen it so you can get a good look at the code.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY


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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Mike Copeland
Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came 
along and analog tape recording went bye bye.


Mike


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Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: 
VFP Metro Interface))

From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS 
- but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad 
example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, 
alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - 
and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a
prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease 
the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ 
spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  
History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 
comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?






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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX
Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from 
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable! 
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to 
completely unusable.


-K-


On 11/16/2012 3:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came 
along and analog tape recording went bye bye.


Mike


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Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was 
Re: VFP Metro Interface))

From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread 
HiJackin? Dang...


Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than 
VHS - but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is 
bad example!


How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named 
Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech 
Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - 
but, alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not 
fired) - and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at 
it!


/Rant-Mode-Off

...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right?

:-)
-K-


On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:

Quickbooks = momentum

Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative
and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked
well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence
and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network
of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they
enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility.

Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post
and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants
eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back 
to a

prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!!
Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land.

Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a
product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT
takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time.

I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit
has accomplished.



Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and 
appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about 
closed periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its 
big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it 
#1.  History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 
1-2-3 comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?







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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC

On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable!
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to
completely unusable.



Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 
4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently!



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Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Ah - man - Mike - Ur so Bad! This is like the 3rd renaming of this thread.

Yeah - a little while ago - before the new Tron movie came out - I tried 
to have my son watch the Original - which I had on VHS. Holy cow - it 
looked SO BAD!


-K-


On 11/16/2012 4:20 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:

Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from
5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable!
Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to
completely unusable.



Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 
4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently!






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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Ken Dibble




Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the 
accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed 
periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend 
can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1.  History is 
littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind 
first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?


Er...

betamax vs VHS
cell phones vs. POTS
desktops vs. tablets

*chuckles evilly*

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Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))

2012-11-16 Thread Kurt @ VR-FX

Oh man - U made me chuckle on THAT One!
-K-


On 11/16/2012 9:16 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:




Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and 
appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about 
closed periods).  This is another example of how marketing and its 
big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it 
#1.  History is littered with easy examples of such.  Excel over 
Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first.  VB6/Access over VFP is another.  More?


Er...

betamax vs VHS
cell phones vs. POTS
desktops vs. tablets

*chuckles evilly*

Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org


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