Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved... RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a RealBasic application. This should give you a good idea on what it's like working with the IDE and working with data. Make sure you full screen it so you can get a good look at the code. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a65fd4.9080...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are well behind us, thankfully. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1353081724.29346.140661154513349.28d1f...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
On Nov 16, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are well behind us, thankfully. +1 -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ec36edce-ce5a-47a0-ab6a-888f9dad0...@rackspace.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly. It makes it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in VFP. Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is sweet. (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.) If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I wholeheartedly agree. People want freedom with their database choice and their ability to extend it. Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary database and ridiculous licensing fees? On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are well behind us, thankfully. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a665e4.9080...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Mike Original Message Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface) From: Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 11/16/2012 10:12 AM It's nice that RealBasic works with SQLite fairly seamlessly. It makes it easy to create an in-memory database much like we have cursors in VFP. Full SQL capability of SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE is sweet. (Dabo has had this capability for a long time as well.) If by 'proprietary' you mean tied to a particular database, then I wholeheartedly agree. People want freedom with their database choice and their ability to extend it. Side note: Why do so many people choose Quickbooks with it's proprietary database and ridiculous licensing fees? On 11/16/2012 11:02 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: I think the days of tools having their own proprietary databases are well behind us, thankfully. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6808b.7000...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))
On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6998c.8090...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))
You nailed the nose on the hammer! windoze over...pretty much anything. Mike Original Message Subject: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)) From: MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 11/16/2012 1:52 PM On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a69d3f.5030...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))
Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread HiJackin? Dang... Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS - but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad example! How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it! /Rant-Mode-Off ...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right? :-) -K- On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a69dd9.4030...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
Hey Kevin - thanks for this - mucho appreciated! Am going to look at in a couple of moments... -K- On 11/16/2012 10:46 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: What about the data. Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved... RealSoftware just uploaded a video on accessing MySQL data from a RealBasic application. This should give you a good idea on what it's like working with the IDE and working with data. Make sure you full screen it so you can get a good look at the code. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJpd6FwBcY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a69e35.2040...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))
Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came along and analog tape recording went bye bye. Mike Original Message Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)) From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread HiJackin? Dang... Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS - but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad example! How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it! /Rant-Mode-Off ...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right? :-) -K- On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a69f40.7050...@ggisoft.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))
Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from 5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable! Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to completely unusable. -K- On 11/16/2012 3:17 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Beta was technically superior. Vastly so. Then that digital stuff came along and analog tape recording went bye bye. Mike Original Message Subject: Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)) From: Kurt @ VR-FX v...@optonline.net To: profoxt...@leafe.com Date: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM Wow - now a SECOND Change to an Email Thread name! Isn't that Thread HiJackin? Dang... Mike - to answer your Q. I heard that actually Beta was better than VHS - but, VHS won. Although, I know - its not SW - so maybe this is bad example! How about ME as a programmer at my Last job - as this Other guy named Mai. He was Incompetent - as my Boss claimed he was - and the Tech Support guys HATED to work with him - because he was Incompetent - but, alas, when it came time to make Cutbacks - I get laid off (not fired) - and he gets to Keep his Stinky Job - even though he Stinks at it! /Rant-Mode-Off ...OK - at least that was a little bit closer to the SW topic. Right? :-) -K- On 11/16/2012 2:52 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 11/16/2012 1:06 PM, Mike Copeland wrote: Quickbooks = momentum Say what you want about Intuit's products, the marketing was innovative and genius at the time. They practically gave away Quicken...it worked well enough...they were constantly updating (which equated to presence and top of mind market share)...and they developed a nationwide network of local peeps that will hold your hand if you get the jitters and they enlisted accounting firms in the effort to earn credibility. Quicken/Quickbooks was also groundbreaking in not forcing you to post and close accounting periodsI still remember seeing accountants eyes bulge out when they discovered that you actually could go back to a prior, closed accounting period and *gasp!* CHANGE something!!! Oh...mygodit was the end of the world in Bean land. Intuit's technology sucks, but Quickbooks is also a great example of a product completely defining and controlling a software segment. THAT takes skill! Especially the controlling part for any period of time. I don't care for Quickbooks/Quicken either, but I respect what Intuit has accomplished. Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6a374.3050...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))
On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from 5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable! Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to completely unusable. Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently! -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6ae06.5040...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: BETA vs VHS (was Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)))
Ah - man - Mike - Ur so Bad! This is like the 3rd renaming of this thread. Yeah - a little while ago - before the new Tron movie came out - I tried to have my son watch the Original - which I had on VHS. Holy cow - it looked SO BAD! -K- On 11/16/2012 4:20 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 11/16/2012 3:35 PM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote: Tell me about it - the Oxides drop off is TERRIBLE - so, VHS Tapes from 5 t 10 years ago, and those even farther back - are almost Un-viewable! Time to convert them ALL to DVD - before the content degrades to completely unusable. Reminds me of the commentary on the Star Wars remakes for episodes 4-6...the originals were fading fast apparently! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6c0b4.1080...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))
Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? Er... betamax vs VHS cell phones vs. POTS desktops vs. tablets *chuckles evilly* Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/5.2.1.1.1.20121116211524.01fff...@pop-server.stny.rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Quickbooks (was Re: [NF] RealBasic and MySQL (was Re: VFP Metro Interface))
Oh man - U made me chuckle on THAT One! -K- On 11/16/2012 9:16 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: Peachtree Accounting Software was supposed to be very good and appease the accountants moreso (probably because of that part about closed periods). This is another example of how marketing and its big-$ spend can really take an arguably inferior product and make it #1. History is littered with easy examples of such. Excel over Lotus 1-2-3 comes to mind first. VB6/Access over VFP is another. More? Er... betamax vs VHS cell phones vs. POTS desktops vs. tablets *chuckles evilly* Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/50a6f715.80...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.