Re: Lianja anyone?
If someone else is in the program with the tables open, reports will be slow, and the client interface will be slow. It's a network share thing. Some of our customers see this when their data gets above 3000 records. Where I have seen biggest impacts to VFP in recent years is increased use of "virtual drives" - aka not a real hardware drive. Where I work they "hand out" virtual drives - but they are controlled by corporate IT. So I could not get to the details of how those drives are set up. What I saw was that VFP performance was impacted by around 1000% (yes 10x slower, in some cases I think even worse). When I placed the database on a "dev" server (which was an actual hardware box) where several of us could just map a drive, performance was the usual snappy, nearly instantaneous results (except of course where we expected it to be slower - like processing a couple hundred thousand records). In one app I created a "background" sync framework where the entire DB was local (one of the Big Data replication methodologies). It worked well, but it was a bit of effort to implement. Don't get me wrong, virtual drives are great and satisfy a certain need. And they essentially look "identical" to a hardware LAN drive. But I imagine this will get worse as time goes on, even for hardware boxes (look up the junk about SMB, SMB2, blah blah blah). Maybe if they drop windows servers and go Linux with Samba...??? Oops, too much talking. Suggestions in probable order of ease of trying: - I assume you can modify code and can change the VFP DB design: first, double check indexes of tables: VFP does not pull down the "whole table" when a table is "used". But uninformed/uncaring "REPORT" designs may well be scanning the whole table. Check that out: generally it is better to do a "SELECT..." statement into a temp cursor, and then do the REPORT FORM from that. If the DB indexes match the SELECT clauses essentially only the matched data will come over the wire. And then, since the temp cursor is "local" there is no locking contention whatsoever as the REPORT FORM is running. - find out if they are using virtual drives: if they are, and if the app is a priority, checking performance on an actual hardware box might be worth it (if IT cooperates... ha) - if it is a hardware box, may need to do research into SMB settings (Ops lock, etc) (but IT has to help with this... ha ha) - Seriously, putting Ubuntu server on a box is drop-dead easy, setting up a Samba share also drop-dead easy. That could be a good test. But corp IT is generally ignorant and inflexible in non-software companies (and especially if they are MS-certified hahahahaha). HTH, -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/6b944024-1efc-74f3-f160-337556752...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Lianja anyone?
If someone else is in the program with the tables open, reports will be slow, and the client interface will be slow. It's a network share thing. Some of our customers see this when their data gets above 3000 records. I deal with legacy code that came from the original clipper code base. You know the kind that does a SCAN ... ENDSCAN to build the report data. YMMV, Tracy -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:19 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: Lianja anyone? On 2018-08-22 12:27, Alan Bourke wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 3:51 PM, > mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: >> On 2018-08-17 10:08, Dave Crozier wrote: > >> They've got 500MB of data in some centers with 20+ years of data > > Not *that* big in Fox terms ... > >> running some reports takes FOREVER on the client machines at their >> learning centers > > Are they on the same LAN as the server with the DBFs? I agree...not huge for VFP but for reasons I can't explain, it's slow. Of course the tech folks at Corporate think it's pulling the entire dbf file etc over the LAN (and maybe they've done analysis to support that with SysInternals...not sure), but I've seen it to be slow. Many lines of legacy code that weren't written for full optimizations, so it is what it is. Yes, I believe the same LAN. Workstations connecting to the inhouse Corporate server box...which then communicates with the MotherShip and sends all their data back there too. I believe the servers are underpowered and not configured correctly but of course that's off-limits to anybody but The Man at Corporate. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000601d43b2a$be4c1770$3ae44650$@powerchurch.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2018-08-22 12:27, Alan Bourke wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 3:51 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2018-08-17 10:08, Dave Crozier wrote: They've got 500MB of data in some centers with 20+ years of data Not *that* big in Fox terms ... running some reports takes FOREVER on the client machines at their learning centers Are they on the same LAN as the server with the DBFs? I agree...not huge for VFP but for reasons I can't explain, it's slow. Of course the tech folks at Corporate think it's pulling the entire dbf file etc over the LAN (and maybe they've done analysis to support that with SysInternals...not sure), but I've seen it to be slow. Many lines of legacy code that weren't written for full optimizations, so it is what it is. Yes, I believe the same LAN. Workstations connecting to the inhouse Corporate server box...which then communicates with the MotherShip and sends all their data back there too. I believe the servers are underpowered and not configured correctly but of course that's off-limits to anybody but The Man at Corporate. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/62c9b6a65b4d76dddfdc6a5178615...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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We are dealing with our ERP to do SAAS and in that case NO YOU CAN NOT RDP in at all. That is why we will pay them a monthly gouge of $$ to do it for us. :( To be honest I don't even get to touch my raw SQL data either. They push it to a Data Lake and I get to consume from there. Pretty sure that will be a document database or some sort of NoSQL version. That will be really fun getting my data out for our on prem DW. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:23 AM Alan Bourke wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 4:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > Not sure you can RDP into Cloud today. Maybe you can but not with what > we > > are looking at. > > Absolutely you can, one of our products depends on it. > > -- > Alan Bourke > alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmylo-ddqltigflo9twbkdxbiboxhrkpsyzvu5xfrqmy...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 22/08/2018 17:26, Alan Bourke wrote: It involves purchasing RDP licences is maybe one reason, you would normally need to implement Citrix XenApp or something to manage it properly. There are alternatives to RDP like ThinStuff that can work very well. +1 on the thinstuff, which we use here. We also use RDPguard https://rdpguard.com/ to stop brute force attacks etc. There's always a large list of IPs that have been blocked for x days. Peter This communication is intended for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. The contents are confidential and may be protected in law. Unauthorised use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or email. www.whisperingsmith.com Whispering Smith Ltd Head Office:61 Great Ducie Street, Manchester M3 1RR. Tel:0161 831 3700 Fax:0161 831 3715 London Office: 101 St. Martin's Lane,London, WC2N 4AZ Tel:0207 299 7960 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/744d5036-0a1f-8a55-a1e8-ae06ed118...@whisperingsmith.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 3:51 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > On 2018-08-17 10:08, Dave Crozier wrote: > They've got 500MB of data in some centers with 20+ years of data Not *that* big in Fox terms ... > running some reports takes FOREVER on the client machines at their learning > centers Are they on the same LAN as the server with the DBFs? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1534955270.2769.1482731696.4e1ea...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 3:54 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > On 2018-08-20 07:41, Alan Bourke wrote: > Why doesn't this approach happen more often or why isn't it commonplace? > (I get the imnpression it's not.) Is it not professional in its style? It involves purchasing RDP licences is maybe one reason, you would normally need to implement Citrix XenApp or something to manage it properly. There are alternatives to RDP like ThinStuff that can work very well. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1534955191.2120.1482726968.7218f...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, at 4:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > Not sure you can RDP into Cloud today. Maybe you can but not with what we > are looking at. Absolutely you can, one of our products depends on it. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1534954999.1634.1482725448.0f322...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not sure you can RDP into Cloud today. Maybe you can but not with what we are looking at. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM wrote: > On 2018-08-22 10:54, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: > > On 2018-08-20 07:41, Alan Bourke wrote: > >> You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server > >> in the cloud and allowing the users RDP access is a path of less > >> resistance - in that scenario all the DBF access is happening locally > >> on the server. > > > > > > Why doesn't this approach happen more often or why isn't it > > commonplace? (I get the imnpression it's not.) Is it not > > professional in its style? > > > > And wouldn't this approach be very secure? > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmykoe9xiho7ubli4q1pg-64b0wtupmdgebt8pofouxs...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2018-08-22 10:54, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2018-08-20 07:41, Alan Bourke wrote: You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server in the cloud and allowing the users RDP access is a path of less resistance - in that scenario all the DBF access is happening locally on the server. Why doesn't this approach happen more often or why isn't it commonplace? (I get the imnpression it's not.) Is it not professional in its style? And wouldn't this approach be very secure? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/7a4b9c6cc032e2a2193adbec51c00...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2018-08-20 07:41, Alan Bourke wrote: You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server in the cloud and allowing the users RDP access is a path of less resistance - in that scenario all the DBF access is happening locally on the server. Why doesn't this approach happen more often or why isn't it commonplace? (I get the imnpression it's not.) Is it not professional in its style? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/79bda63a33e0d6ca7f961eff07819...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2018-08-17 10:08, Dave Crozier wrote: Looking at it as a basis for some web development that at the moment converting from strict VFP desktop onto a browser based solution as the desktop solution ships so much data when opening DBF's with their associated indexes. Just a quick comment that the VFP dbf app I did at Sylvan has the same challenges in its old age. They've got 500MB of data in some centers with 20+ years of data, and for whatever reason, running some reports takes FOREVER on the client machines at their learning centers (where it's just a handful of machines on the local server). Corporate's workaround was to give folks direct server access so they could run it faster on the server. I'm glad I switched to MySQL back in 2004! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/96e9a3507bf7387b8e8ddfe3c...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Lianja anyone?
Dave,
I have a VFP COM object to get access to a VFP Desktop data set to build a web
interface for parts of it.
I recently discovered that using the XMLAdapter, I can return nested XML to the
C# project. There it can be easily turned into standard objects that C# can
manipulate.
It's strange sometimes as I think about it.
C# Web gets a request, it asks VFP COM to complete it. VFP returns XML, that C#
turns into an object, then either converts it to HTML or JSON to send to the
client.
I feel blessed that I have someone else doing the front end work so I can just
work in the data and business logic.
Have an adventure! It's worth it!
Tracy
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Alan,
We already use VFP to RDP in where non complex applications are required or
when using remote access.
Just looking for a fairly quick method of data access to DBF's for a small
project that doesn't involve a large learning curve... Ultimately we will be
using SQL for data access like all the other systems we have.
Apart from that, I'd like a play with "other technologies" ... lol!
Dave Crozier
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> Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do
> without a great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately.
No matter what you choose, this is the world of web applications and will
require a huge amount of restructuring and a huge amount of scaffolding to even
deal with security properly, even before you get to actual business problems.
FoxInCloud has the advantage of providing a framework for getting you some of
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You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server in the
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RE: Lianja anyone?
Alan,
We already use VFP to RDP in where non complex applications are required or
when using remote access.
Just looking for a fairly quick method of data access to DBF's for a small
project that doesn't involve a large learning curve... Ultimately we will be
using SQL for data access like all the other systems we have.
Apart from that, I'd like a play with "other technologies" ... lol!
Dave Crozier
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Subject: Re: Lianja anyone?
> Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do
> without a great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately.
No matter what you choose, this is the world of web applications and will
require a huge amount of restructuring and a huge amount of scaffolding to even
deal with security properly, even before you get to actual business problems.
FoxInCloud has the advantage of providing a framework for getting you some of
the way there from an existing VFP solution.
You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server in the
cloud and allowing the users RDP access is a path of less resistance - in that
scenario all the DBF access is happening locally on the server.
--
Alan Bourke
alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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> Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do without > a great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately. No matter what you choose, this is the world of web applications and will require a huge amount of restructuring and a huge amount of scaffolding to even deal with security properly, even before you get to actual business problems. FoxInCloud has the advantage of providing a framework for getting you some of the way there from an existing VFP solution. You might find that putting the existing solution on a Windows server in the cloud and allowing the users RDP access is a path of less resistance - in that scenario all the DBF access is happening locally on the server. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1534765261.3312133.1479840608.6febf...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018, at 3:08 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like what was sold as > the "Advantage Database ADS" VFP DBC container replacement some years > ago, ADS still exists, now owned by SAP. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1534752815.3267596.1479664936.2d803...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The browser doesn't maintain data that you could check for validation such as this was the initial data and to compare against what the user has presented. Does an update need to happen or did they just look at it? In a server farm, there is no reliable cached data on the web server. There is no append from cursor. All data calls need to open and close connections. Security is now less of a restraint on the file server and more on the how to not pass data out of plain text to the back to the server. Just a start on tiny differences. On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:05 AM Thierry Nivelet wrote: > Hi Dave > > Never seen that on any project … can you share an example of such « > rewriting and restructuring »? On west wind forum if you prefer. Thanks > > Thierry Nivelet > http://foxincloud.com/ > Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > > > Le 17 août 2018 à 16:08, Dave Crozier a écrit > : > > > > Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do without > a great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately. > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMY+YDTQcuikT6p7HnT=+hehgy5_5fvtcsag06ilcaf7...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Hi Dave Never seen that on any project … can you share an example of such « rewriting and restructuring »? On west wind forum if you prefer. Thanks Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud > Le 17 août 2018 à 16:08, Dave Crozier a écrit : > > Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do without a > great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/9bf866c5-4a9d-42a2-a583-18ad940f4...@foxincloud.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Using the web for your app takes a lot of conversion in thinking about how
you code to get things done. What do you pull ahead of time, and what will
the interface need. The oh by the ways that you are confronted with is
respect to local data you are using is another major issue to overcome.
Face it you will have to learn a web-oriented coding technique.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:09 AM Dave Crozier
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> Looking at it as a basis for some web development that at the moment
> converting from strict VFP desktop onto a browser based solution as the
> desktop solution ships so much data when opening DBF's with their
> associated indexes.
>
> Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do without a
> great amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately.
>
> M$SQL server is obviously a candidate as we are up to speed but from
> looking at Lianja it seems to be a midway point between a complete rewrite
> of the software and a "black box substitute" for using native VFP tables.
> Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like what was sold as the "Advantage
> Database ADS" VFP DBC container replacement some years ago, but I may be
> wrong in my observations.
>
> So, I want to know if possible, learning curve timescales as well as
> scalability but from a developer and not a Sales point of view so I can
> decide on the best platform for development. We already have SQL datacentre
> so spinning up a new SQL, database would be the cheapest option obviously
> but I'd like to examine other possibilities for their strengths and
> weaknesses.
>
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> >
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RE: Lianja anyone?
Looking at it as a basis for some web development that at the moment converting
from strict VFP desktop onto a browser based solution as the desktop solution
ships so much data when opening DBF's with their associated indexes.
Have looked at FoxInCloud but it won't do what we want it to do without a great
amount of rewriting and restructuring unfortunately.
M$SQL server is obviously a candidate as we are up to speed but from looking
at Lianja it seems to be a midway point between a complete rewrite of the
software and a "black box substitute" for using native VFP tables. Correct me
if I am wrong but it seems like what was sold as the "Advantage Database ADS"
VFP DBC container replacement some years ago, but I may be wrong in my
observations.
So, I want to know if possible, learning curve timescales as well as
scalability but from a developer and not a Sales point of view so I can decide
on the best platform for development. We already have SQL datacentre so
spinning up a new SQL, database would be the cheapest option obviously but I'd
like to examine other possibilities for their strengths and weaknesses.
Dave Crozier
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Thanks Alan,
It seems to have improved with age but still lacking somewhat from my point of
view
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FWIW I had a look at it a couple of years ago. It has very solid underpinnings
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Lianja anyone?
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