Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
It looks like you would fall on this thing, Malcolm! Then again, maybe this will help strengthen my core muscles lol On 4/17/2020 9:46 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Followup: t came in yesterday and I'm a ***big*** fan. There's even a hole so you can hang this on the wall. I'm going to use this to lock it to my desk. Damn quarantined family members keep "borrowing" all my stuff! Highly recommended! Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/68124aeb-a5a3-35f8-a3e7-413070045...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Getting a little personal there, Mike. No, I have the shoes on. Or at least I did when I actually went to my office. I've been seated since we all got sent home in early March. -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 1:09 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use Richard -- I *WILL* say that I like this mat when I do NOT have shoes on. (Maybe that's the way to do it!) I did NOT like it when I wore shoes. I'm guessing you do NOT wear the shoes on it and hence enjoy that foot massage THAT way. ;-) On 4/11/2020 9:12 AM, Richard Kaye wrote: > Yep. That's the one. I am a fan . > > -- > > rk > > -Original Message- > From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software > Solutions, LLC > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:43 PM > To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use > > Richard -- that's what I've got. See the screencast: > > https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ > > I'm not a fan of it. > > On 4/10/2020 6:45 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: >> I have a nice thick floor mat for use with my VariDesk back at the office, -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/04bfc0fb-8420-afa7-fe66-8841931f2...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/04bfc0fb-8420-afa7-fe66-8841931f2...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mwhpr1001mb21444696871b04473c022cdfd2...@mwhpr1001mb2144.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Richard -- I *WILL* say that I like this mat when I do NOT have shoes on. (Maybe that's the way to do it!) I did NOT like it when I wore shoes. I'm guessing you do NOT wear the shoes on it and hence enjoy that foot massage THAT way. ;-) On 4/11/2020 9:12 AM, Richard Kaye wrote: Yep. That's the one. I am a fan . -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:43 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use Richard -- that's what I've got. See the screencast: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ I'm not a fan of it. On 4/10/2020 6:45 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: I have a nice thick floor mat for use with my VariDesk back at the office, -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/04bfc0fb-8420-afa7-fe66-8841931f2...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Reply in a week after use...and THEN I'll consider it!!! Without shoes, I'm thinking my feet would get tired and/or achey due to no arch support. On 4/17/2020 9:46 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Followup: t came in yesterday and I'm a ***big*** fan. There's even a hole so you can hang this on the wall. I'm going to use this to lock it to my desk. Damn quarantined family members keep "borrowing" all my stuff! Highly recommended! Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/63541823-ce2c-63a7-22dd-7034c8700...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
> A picture pls Malcolm. ;) https://pasteboard.co/J4f6r1g.png ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/e704cff1-f9d6-4f9a-9753-abc13...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
A picture pls Malcolm. ;) On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Kaye wrote: > And sore feet... > > -- > > rk > > -Original Message- > From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of Malcolm > Greene > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 10:05 AM > To: profoxt...@leafe.com > Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use > > Hey Vince, > > > Really? This seems counter-intuitive. Standing and wobbling reduces > fatigue. I mean, I WANT to believe - it seems like it would be healthier > than sitting, if you can get the desk to work out . How long have you been > using one? > > I have one of those 48" Varidesk contraptions so I can shift between > sitting and standing positions. I go in cycles ... standing for a few > months ... and then sitting for a few months. The standing part takes some > time to get used to. Don't go from 0 to 12 hours your first day. I also > wear compression leggings when I'm going to be standing for long periods of > time. Not sexy ... (definitely not sexy) but they do make a difference. The > wobbling prevents your legs/knees from stiffening up. > > Mal > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/capqlobymuj64f69skie9wr5wxlddjb3hpvnhzectdddwo1g...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
And sore feet... -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 10:05 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use Hey Vince, > Really? This seems counter-intuitive. Standing and wobbling reduces fatigue. > I mean, I WANT to believe - it seems like it would be healthier than > sitting, if you can get the desk to work out . How long have you been using > one? I have one of those 48" Varidesk contraptions so I can shift between sitting and standing positions. I go in cycles ... standing for a few months ... and then sitting for a few months. The standing part takes some time to get used to. Don't go from 0 to 12 hours your first day. I also wear compression leggings when I'm going to be standing for long periods of time. Not sexy ... (definitely not sexy) but they do make a difference. The wobbling prevents your legs/knees from stiffening up. Mal ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/6831a319-f9b3-436a-b50b-e0371f67b...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/6831a319-f9b3-436a-b50b-e0371f67b...@www.fastmail.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mwhpr1001mb2144f53a30687c1daa9b8970d2...@mwhpr1001mb2144.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Hey Vince, > Really? This seems counter-intuitive. Standing and wobbling reduces fatigue. > I mean, I WANT to believe - it seems like it would be healthier than > sitting, if you can get the desk to work out . How long have you been using > one? I have one of those 48" Varidesk contraptions so I can shift between sitting and standing positions. I go in cycles ... standing for a few months ... and then sitting for a few months. The standing part takes some time to get used to. Don't go from 0 to 12 hours your first day. I also wear compression leggings when I'm going to be standing for long periods of time. Not sexy ... (definitely not sexy) but they do make a difference. The wobbling prevents your legs/knees from stiffening up. Mal ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/6831a319-f9b3-436a-b50b-e0371f67b...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Really? This seems counter-intuitive. Standing and wobbling reduces fatigue. I mean, I WANT to believe - it seems like it would be healthier than sitting, if you can get the desk to work out . How long have you been using one? On 04/17/20 9:46 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Followup: t came in yesterday and I'm a ***big*** fan. There's even a hole so you can hang this on the wall. I'm going to use this to lock it to my desk. Damn quarantined family members keep "borrowing" all my stuff! Highly recommended! Malcolm -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/ca01afc3-2bdb-1136-b727-53a6bbb2d...@caracal.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
> Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability > Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Followup: t came in yesterday and I'm a ***big*** fan. There's even a hole so you can hang this on the wall. I'm going to use this to lock it to my desk. Damn quarantined family members keep "borrowing" all my stuff! Highly recommended! Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/7b0f7ad2-fbfc-4d62-b099-30eca1d88...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Yep. That's the one. I am a fan . -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:43 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use Richard -- that's what I've got. See the screencast: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ I'm not a fan of it. On 4/10/2020 6:45 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: > I have a nice thick floor mat for use with my VariDesk back at the office, -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/bc63d00c-9e68-1711-c8eb-6d1ed186c...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/bc63d00c-9e68-1711-c8eb-6d1ed186c...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mwhpr1001mb21448d1385e441966d62535ed2...@mwhpr1001mb2144.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Richard -- that's what I've got. See the screencast: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ I'm not a fan of it. On 4/10/2020 6:45 PM, Richard Kaye wrote: I have a nice thick floor mat for use with my VariDesk back at the office, -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/bc63d00c-9e68-1711-c8eb-6d1ed186c...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
I have a nice thick floor mat for use with my VariDesk back at the office, Unfortunately I'm not sure of the brand but it could also be VariDesk. It's got a thick raised border and a big rubber mound in the middle. One edge also has a much wider thicker border. You can basically give yourself a foot massage as needed. Also, the key for me has been to keep moving my feet and not locking my knees. Don’t skimp on the floor mat or you will have a lot of foot issues. -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:43 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use Hey that wobble mat looks interesting. Post your feedback here if you go with that. I'd be interested to see if it worked well for you. On 4/10/2020 11:34 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: > Hey Mike, > >>> Any of you stand-up desk users standing on a balance-board type contraption >>> or using a specific mat? I'm at a standup desk 8-12 hours/day and looking >>> to improve the ergonomics of this situation. Thanks! >> Here's my quick show & tell: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ > Your show & tell was awesome!! Thank you for taking the time to pull that > together! > > I'm using a VariDesk 48 as a standing desk. Works well. > > Here's what I'm considering for a balance board: > > Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability > Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat > https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ > > Mal > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/c49adef9-b352-e8ea-9577-41b4831f1...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Report [OT] Abuse: http://leafe.com/reportAbuse/c49adef9-b352-e8ea-9577-41b4831f1...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mwhpr1001mb2144be835a15a65531ea6410d2...@mwhpr1001mb2144.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Hey that wobble mat looks interesting. Post your feedback here if you go with that. I'd be interested to see if it worked well for you. On 4/10/2020 11:34 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: Hey Mike, Any of you stand-up desk users standing on a balance-board type contraption or using a specific mat? I'm at a standup desk 8-12 hours/day and looking to improve the ergonomics of this situation. Thanks! Here's my quick show & tell: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ Your show & tell was awesome!! Thank you for taking the time to pull that together! I'm using a VariDesk 48 as a standing desk. Works well. Here's what I'm considering for a balance board: Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Mal [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/c49adef9-b352-e8ea-9577-41b4831f1...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Hey Mike, >> Any of you stand-up desk users standing on a balance-board type contraption >> or using a specific mat? I'm at a standup desk 8-12 hours/day and looking to >> improve the ergonomics of this situation. Thanks! > Here's my quick show & tell: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ Your show & tell was awesome!! Thank you for taking the time to pull that together! I'm using a VariDesk 48 as a standing desk. Works well. Here's what I'm considering for a balance board: Standing Desk Anti Fatigue Mat – FEZIBO Wooden Wobble Balance Board Stability Rocker with Ergonomic Design Comfort Floor Mat https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HD838VP/ Mal ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/66b0c7f4-4ba5-467f-86a5-5900ba131...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Recommendations on a balance board for standup desk use
Hi Malcolm! Here's my quick show & tell: https://www.screencast.com/t/A37Y6rHRfJ I do find that this "work from home all the time" is making my heels hurt a bit, so I force myself to step away from breaks every hour or so to mix it up. That Costco standup desk is GREAT! The bubble mat from Home Depot is decent (but I still would love to find something better). I do have good tennis shoes on with great padding. There's so much padding, they look like "special" shoes. lol --Mike On 4/9/2020 12:56 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote: Any of you stand-up desk users standing on a balance-board type contraption or using a specific mat? I'm at a standup desk 8-12 hours/day and looking to improve the ergonomics of this situation. Thanks! Malcolm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/87546934-025d-840c-3285-451b50117...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
