Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
I updated a couple weeks ago. Haven't noticed any problems. 27 Dec 2021 17:26:21 MB Software Solutions, LLC : > Anybody else upgrade to Win11 yet and can comment on how your Fox IDE (and > exes/rpts/etc) works with it? > > > On 12/16/2021 11:55 PM, data...@adam.com.au wrote: >> I have updated to windows 11 on 3 of my old laptops by editing the TPM >> settings in one of the DLLs of the setup. Windows 11 works and works well. >> IN fact it has made two of my laptops that were incredibly slow to become >> usable again. It looks like MS has finally broken the tradition of every >> second Windows release being garbage. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ProFox On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II >> Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:13 PM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro >> >> Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both >> lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an >> unsupported processor. >> >> - >> Michael Oke, II >> oke...@gmail.com >> 661-349-6221 >> - >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < >> mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: >> >>> I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? >>> >>> On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>>> I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of >>>> my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. >>>> >>>> - >>>> Michael Oke, II >>>> oke...@gmail.com >>>> 661-349-6221 >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < >>>> mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any >>>>> warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. >>>>> Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but >>>>> admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I >>>>> left off the next day. >>>>> >>>>> As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer >>>>> League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on >>>>> Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it >>>>> was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I >>>>> also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few >>>>> crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the >>>>> MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I >>>>> saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) >>>>> >>>>> Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with >>>>> your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael J. Babcock, MCP >>>>> Fox/VFP dev since 1997 >>>>> Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com >>>>> >>>>> [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/44c82575-64a1-47d5-9fb6-b16d36fb5...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
I don't work in a Windows 11 every day. I have upgraded one of my laptops with VFP 9 and VFP Advanced. As long as I am running Windows scaling at 100% I haven't seen any problems. I don't work with reports much. But what I did work with them recently, they worked. Until you went above 100%. Then the fonts in the report designer were a bit wonky. Pageframes in Windows 11 seem to have changed color in the runtime. Other than that, I didn't see anything different. HTH, Tracy -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 4:26 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro Anybody else upgrade to Win11 yet and can comment on how your Fox IDE (and exes/rpts/etc) works with it? On 12/16/2021 11:55 PM, data...@adam.com.au wrote: > I have updated to windows 11 on 3 of my old laptops by editing the TPM > settings in one of the DLLs of the setup. Windows 11 works and works well. > IN fact it has made two of my laptops that were incredibly slow to become > usable again. It looks like MS has finally broken the tradition of every > second Windows release being garbage. > > -Original Message- > From: ProFox On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II > Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:13 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro > > Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both > lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an > unsupported processor. > > - > Michael Oke, II > oke...@gmail.com > 661-349-6221 > - > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < > mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > >> I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? >> >> On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: >>> I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of >>> my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. >>> >>> - >>> Michael Oke, II >>> oke...@gmail.com >>> 661-349-6221 >>> - >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < >>> mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any >>>> warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. >>>> Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but >>>> admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I >>>> left off the next day. >>>> >>>> As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer >>>> League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on >>>> Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it >>>> was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I >>>> also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few >>>> crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the >>>> MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I >>>> saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) >>>> >>>> Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with >>>> your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael J. Babcock, MCP >>>> Fox/VFP dev since 1997 >>>> Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com >>>> >>>> [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/008601d7fb6a$abc41ae0$034c50a0$@powerchurch.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
Anybody else upgrade to Win11 yet and can comment on how your Fox IDE (and exes/rpts/etc) works with it? On 12/16/2021 11:55 PM, data...@adam.com.au wrote: I have updated to windows 11 on 3 of my old laptops by editing the TPM settings in one of the DLLs of the setup. Windows 11 works and works well. IN fact it has made two of my laptops that were incredibly slow to become usable again. It looks like MS has finally broken the tradition of every second Windows release being garbage. -Original Message- From: ProFox On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:13 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an unsupported processor. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I left off the next day. As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/866899a6-a164-3daf-f665-943072267...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
Good to hear thismaybe I will update to 11 after all. This is my only laptop so hence why I was hesitant. On 12/16/2021 11:55 PM, data...@adam.com.au wrote: I have updated to windows 11 on 3 of my old laptops by editing the TPM settings in one of the DLLs of the setup. Windows 11 works and works well. IN fact it has made two of my laptops that were incredibly slow to become usable again. It looks like MS has finally broken the tradition of every second Windows release being garbage. -Original Message- From: ProFox On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:13 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an unsupported processor. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I left off the next day. As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/e45311dd-cf8b-d393-bc1b-3c154aa40...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
Pretty sure there's no more support for 32bit CPUs. -- rk From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:43 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an unsupported processor. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com<mailto:oke...@gmail.com> 661-349-6221 - --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mn2pr10mb34076b9e8274dd5fbe8e641bd2...@mn2pr10mb3407.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
I have updated to windows 11 on 3 of my old laptops by editing the TPM settings in one of the DLLs of the setup. Windows 11 works and works well. IN fact it has made two of my laptops that were incredibly slow to become usable again. It looks like MS has finally broken the tradition of every second Windows release being garbage. -Original Message- From: ProFox On Behalf Of Michael Oke, II Sent: Friday, 17 December 2021 3:13 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an unsupported processor. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? > > On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: > > I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of > > my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. > > > > - > > Michael Oke, II > > oke...@gmail.com > > 661-349-6221 > > - > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < > > mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > > > >> My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any > >> warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. > >> Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but > >> admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I > >> left off the next day. > >> > >> As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer > >> League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on > >> Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it > >> was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I > >> also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few > >> crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the > >> MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I > >> saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) > >> > >> Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with > >> your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael J. Babcock, MCP > >> Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > >> Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > >> > >> [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/006001d7f302$45ed4220$d1c7c660$@adam.com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
Age perhaps. My desktop is a few years old as is my laptop so they both lack the TPM 2.0 support as well as at least the laptop sporting an unsupported processor. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? > > On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: > > I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of my > > physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. > > > > - > > Michael Oke, II > > oke...@gmail.com > > 661-349-6221 > > - > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < > > mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > > > >> My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any warning > >> to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. > >> Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but > >> admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I left > >> off the next day. > >> > >> As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer League > >> Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on Facebook--locations > >> in two states now!), and initially, because it was so quick to get it up > >> and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 > >> exclusively for that too. After a few crashes from VFP 10 corrupting > >> the DBFs, I swapped out to the MariaDB backend instead. (I've been > >> using MySQL/MariaDB since I saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW > >> back in 2003.) > >> > >> Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with your > >> computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael J. Babcock, MCP > >> Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > >> Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > >> > >> [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CACBEV=ukoyeatkexvfjy37utxhwfcqfy2x6jwqu7pftjqec...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
I wonder how my Win10Pro machine would differ from yours? On 12/16/2021 6:13 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote: I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any warning to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I left off the next day. As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer League Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on Facebook--locations in two states now!), and initially, because it was so quick to get it up and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 exclusively for that too. After a few crashes from VFP 10 corrupting the DBFs, I swapped out to the MariaDB backend instead. (I've been using MySQL/MariaDB since I saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW back in 2003.) Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with your computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/3e952f28-4a40-d1b0-eadf-7a2098af5...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11 ads and unexpected restarts on Win 10 Pro
I haven't seen anything of the sort but I'm not sure that either of my physical Windows 10 machines qualifies for the update. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:21 PM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > My Win10Pro dev machine decided to reboot overnight without any warning > to me TWICE in the past week, and it had me quite pissed off. > Thankfully my code was all saved (or at least 99% of it), but > admittedly, I often leave my VFP window open and pick up where I left > off the next day. > > As some of you may recall, I designed an app for managing my Beer League > Hockey group (called the "Babs Hockey Fraternity" on Facebook--locations > in two states now!), and initially, because it was so quick to get it up > and going, I used a VFP DBC backend. I also use Mr. Chen's VFP 10 > exclusively for that too. After a few crashes from VFP 10 corrupting > the DBFs, I swapped out to the MariaDB backend instead. (I've been > using MySQL/MariaDB since I saw Bob Lee's n-tier presentation at GLGDW > back in 2003.) > > Anyhooo.did anybody else get a similar behavior recently, with your > computer asking you if you wanted the free upgrade to Win 11? > > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CACBEV=xu0jqy7vuhqqzyzt-ly4eenvvqjttwncokgt7ofuv...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Got a VM up and running with the current build of Windows 11, and everything VFP appears to work as per Windows 10. There are fairly hefty changes to many elements of the Windows UI. Ribbon-style menus appear to be gone, and context menus are significantly different. I'm sure they've dicked around a lot with the location and appearance of Windows configuration screens but really these days doesn't everyone just type 'network' or whatever into the search box? -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/8b503025-db85-4095-b2cd-762a29103...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Recent motherboards support firmware-based TPM (fTPM). You only need to enable it in the BIOS to install Win 11. I forgot whether it's CPU firmware or chipset firmware. :) On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:28 AM Kurt at VR-FX wrote: > > This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security > purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman... -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Fedora 25 Server Spin /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CAGv=MJBUbzWeoTBzwx+sGF3N38HEOuRrdGFsr2HNE=e76yr...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Yes, Trusted Platform Module. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, at 3:28 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote: > This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security > purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman... > > -Kurt > > On 6/29/2021 1:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > >> Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > >> anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? > > It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but > > the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP > > will continue to work fine. > > > > Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I > > doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like > > will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the > > corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just > > refreshed hardware for Windows 10. > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/3f3264a7-3a02-4375-8a34-ae41187e0...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman... -Kurt On 6/29/2021 1:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will continue to work fine. Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware for Windows 10. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/81459e58-ff5f-c76d-1760-2a40788bf...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
The commodity desktop boxen that my day job buys have these already on board as we use them for BitLocker. I'd expect more that custom built equipment in households doesn't tho. Might have the option but the chip/card may be missing. I've already read (and spoken to an engineer) about a version that forgoes the TPM chip. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 1:15 AM Alan Bourke wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? > > It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but > the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP > will continue to work fine. > > Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I > doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like > will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the > corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just > refreshed hardware for Windows 10. > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CACBEV=vl5mgacwwkga_s3bn_gypzbyy0emgom+oimhnxn+h...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 9:18 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc. > > All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on. VFP shoots itself in the foot a bit with this, as it continues to work just fine in many scenarios and customers are reluctant to re-engineer something that still works even though it's patently obvious why they should. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/d1c1cf02-cb3a-4f57-a8c2-a91304a72...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will continue to work fine. Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware for Windows 10. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/d3908543-6a59-4fa4-a49e-4a4fb2457...@www.fastmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
On Jun 28, 2021, at 15:18, Stephen Russell wrote: > > Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc. > > All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on. You said what I've been thinking for the past 20 years. Maintaining an app that's working fine and doing what the client needs is one thing. Growing an app as a client's business grows is another. I had a ton of fun working in VFP for many years. But when the writing on the wall was too big to ignore, I moved on, and I've had a ton of fun in my new community. And yeah, it hasn't hurt my bank account, either! ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/5a30085f-0aef-432d-8d26-4371e6224...@leafe.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Or port to Angualr, React, Vue, etc. All of that potential porting revenue you have missed out on. On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 9:05 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/cajidmy+ivawulcdxr5jpwzhuprnn01bwvz_lqksqs-ht932...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Two things: First, "Version Number" is an imaginary marketing construct which is just the name of whatever same old stuff they are going to sell. When MS was pitching "Windows 95" Bill Gates appeared during the telecast and said that this was the latest, newest, most-bug-free, fastest version of windows ever invented. And, he continued, in three years he would be back to say THAT version was the latest, newest, most secure, fastest version of windows ever invented. He said the silent part out loud. In '95. Still true. Microsoft has been shipping "Feature Updates" every six months (except they never ship on schedule!) which involve downloading an entire 2 or 3 gigabytes of a full windows installer, and doing a side-by-side installation of the old windows and the new windows, migrating all your "stuff" over, and then asking to delete the "old" windows after some period of time. These have all been new windows installs, with new features, new bugs, and removed and disabled features -- tiles, Live Tiles, no tiles, wait, tiles are back, etc. Version 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and so on. Second, you should always plan on Visual FoxPro no longer working. Microsoft will drag Win32 and 32-bit OLE and OBDC and all the acronyms along for as long as they have to, and then drop it like a hot potato. There's a LOT of legacy software out there, and there are business reasons why they support Win32, invisible to me and you. At some point those reasons will go away, or the profit-loss calculation will change, and we will be kicked to the curb, like Front Page and Visual J++ and InterDev. No longer supporting Win32 means saving money to MS. At some point, they will pull the plug. Bonus Postscript: MS says that there may have been a failure to communicate on the new version: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-11-microsoft-apologizes-for-compatibility-confusion-hints-at-changes/ On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:06 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CACW6n4u7HLMHs0h7J915YPZr_qWsW0N0R=cin-ko4yk-fec...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
Of course we will have that anxiety, assuming that people can/will upgrade. And I'm not sure that it is an upgrade to be honest, it just seems like a new shell on top of the OS. - Michael Oke, II oke...@gmail.com 661-349-6221 - On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:05 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? > > -- > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > Fox/VFP dev since 1997 > Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/CACBEV=VXmXjPtgXi4Vkw-6k5LVM3C4+NOnX8VpGeH=jET=p...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Windows 11???
My interpretation of what I've heard so far is that MS has ended support for running Windows itself on 32 bit hardware. The 32 bit sub-systems that support applications themselves is not going away any time soon. So VFP Is still dead but no deader than it's been since it went EOL back in 2015? But as usual, slathering on the FUD is always a higher priority than clarity for MS... -- rk -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:05 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Windows 11??? Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP Fox/VFP dev since 1997 Developer of FabNet estimating software - mbsoftwaresolutions.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/mwhpr1001mb2144b0dd7fdcfb3135fb32e9d2...@mwhpr1001mb2144.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
I hear you Mike! I too was SHOCKED at the recent news mention of an 11 version - since I last heard nothing would exist beyond 10 - with only Sub-versions! Hmmm... -Kurt (Yeah - watch out - I'm back!) On 6/28/2021 7:05 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/0c8749c2-c8d7-98cc-8d9c-ba6c43568...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: Windows 11???
On 06/28/21 10:15 AM, John Weller wrote: The comments I'm hearing suggest that it is really Windows 10.2 . There is a problem in that it will only work with CPUs that are less than 3 years old. (the technical reasons are more complex - far too difficult for an old man like me!) The technical reasons are easy: Ka-ching! Mo Money, Mo Money, MO money! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/0e96e96f-74e1-2607-789d-9f676aa16...@caracal.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Windows 11???
The comments I'm hearing suggest that it is really Windows 10.2 . There is a problem in that it will only work with CPUs that are less than 3 years old. (the technical reasons are more complex - far too difficult for an old man like me!) John John Weller 07976 393631 > Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS! Does this mean we have the > anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ??? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: https://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: https://leafe.com/archives This message: https://leafe.com/archives/byMID/009401d76c27$fc419600$f4c4c200$@johnweller.co.uk ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
