Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 25.09.2017 12:57, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote on 2017-08-16 at 12:12: I have continued working with Kiwi IRC's lead developer. I brought up the topic of KDE and showed him their Etherpad, which listed all sorts of requirements and nice-to-haves for a messaging solution. In response, he said he is willing to work with KDE and LibreOffice to build a platform that we can be happy with. this is an important topic and I have not forgotten about it - just the time upfront LibOCon keeps us quite busy. ;-) That being said, are you at LibOCon, so we could talk there in person maybe? Florian Sure. Some weeks ago there was this nice bit of news about Konversation: https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-user-interface-matrix-support-mobile-version I just discussed with the Kiwi IRC dev and I decided I will replace the qwebirc links in our wiki and site with the /nextclient/ link tomorrow. Full roll out of the next gen version to the /client/ URL is pending some translations and /nextclient/ will never stop working in any case. It is possible for us to the get a custom landing page and background image for the webchat. We can discuss this at the conf. Best, Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hello, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote on 2017-08-16 at 12:12: I have continued working with Kiwi IRC's lead developer. I brought up the topic of KDE and showed him their Etherpad, which listed all sorts of requirements and nice-to-haves for a messaging solution. In response, he said he is willing to work with KDE and LibreOffice to build a platform that we can be happy with. this is an important topic and I have not forgotten about it - just the time upfront LibOCon keeps us quite busy. ;-) That being said, are you at LibOCon, so we could talk there in person maybe? Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
I have continued working with Kiwi IRC's lead developer. I brought up the topic of KDE and showed him their Etherpad, which listed all sorts of requirements and nice-to-haves for a messaging solution. In response, he said he is willing to work with KDE and LibreOffice to build a platform that we can be happy with. I posted my proposal to KDE community list: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003857.html For convenience, I will include below the text that the Kiwi dev wrote after reading KDE's requirement list: Kiwi Next is the next generation of the Kiwi IRC client, specifically aiming to bring modern interfaces and ease of use from platforms such as Slack to IRC. Many communities have established environments built up around IRC so any features or additions that Kiwi IRC brings will be 100% IRC compliant throughout and put to the IRCv3 working group so that other clients and servers may also make use of the functions. The UI for Kiwi Next is getting tested on all major browsers including mobile, with translations being made available for 28 languages to make sure that anybody trying to be part of a community can do so. Keeping people connected to IRC so that they may receive notifications on their desktop and/or mobile is a huge feature currently missing from IRC. This is currently being developed directly into Kiwi IRC so it is available out of the box with minimal fuss. Once connected and logged into your existing network services, a user can then simply resume their session with complete message history and searching. This is a feature that will be introduced on kiwiirc.com very soon but also entirely open source to be used anywhere. Works very similar to ZNC in that Kiwi acts as a normal IRC client which means any IRC client can make use of the same server. A lot of the points mentioned are very much inline with the aims for Kiwi Next, most likely due to the same mindset: Slack + IRC merged together with some IRCv3 features thrown in. Some quick overview points: * 100% standards compliant * Part of the IRCv3 working group to improve IRC itself * Open source with an available hosted solution * Use existing infrastructure and tools * Multilingual and accessible * Web based while still allowing desktop clients to be used * Has already been tested with thousands of users in a single channel flood fest * Built in media preview (images, videos, PDFs, anything that can be embedded) Soon to be released: * Team based channels that supports @everybody highlighting * Switchable message views such as traditional IRC view and a more relaxed avatar + relaxed view * Message reactions (Using IRCv3 standards so they work with other clients too) In development at the moment: * Built in BNC with desktop/mobile notifications * Use Kiwi IRC and a desktop client on the same account at the same time (similar to ZNC) * Message history + searching + exporting * File sharing by uploading files through the UI, with optional file history Not in development but can easily be added into Kiwi Next if required: * Replying to a message with a reference/quote * Editing messages * Annotate images linked/shared through the client * Stickers between Kiwi clients or between all IRC clients -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hi, Heiko Tietze wrote on 2017-08-11 at 19:45: Could the missing desktop app become a showstopper? that reminds me of one question I didn't answer yet: Why Telegram. ;-) Indeed, the possibility to use it on mobile, in browser and as dedicated desktop application was one of the main reasons, beyond the fact that it's been used by many people. There are several truly free and open solutions out there, but sadly, very few users use them - and that's in line with what I wrote earlier on about "getting people where they are". I tried some mobile IRC clients a while ago and was not really convinced: no push notification, high battery usage - IRC simply is a different tool than a messenger... I'm not at all against hosting our own web IRC frontend, preferably localized - I just think it won't get us the mobile crowd... Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
KDE fellows found a Qt5-app for Matrix https://github.com/mujx/nheko/ (we need a cross-platform tool for average users without the hassle to compile; or rather a simple mobile app) On 11.08.2017 20:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > I guess you mean "missing desktop app with an attractive GUI"? :) > Regarding features in general, chat history batch is a draft in the IRC v3 > spec: http://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/batch/chathistory-3.3.html > A metadata spec is being written and it would include avatars. > > It is also worth mentioning here that replies are a draft: > http://ircv3.net/specs/client-tags/reply.html > Editing and deleting of messages is being worked on: > https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/304 > > Ilmari > > On 11.08.2017 20:45, Heiko Tietze wrote: >> Could the missing desktop app become a showstopper? Telegram is >> available as standalone app and Telepathy can also handle this >> protocol (not sure about Pidgin). Thomas collected a couple of >> requirements in the KDE chat what a messenger should be able to do. I >> would rate some points differently, so the avatar is a nice-to-have >> and stickers a contradiction, and suggested to run a Kano survey like >> I did for KGet in [2]. But the list is interesting anyway. >> >> [1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003693.html >> [2] https://user-prompt.com/using-the-kano-method-to-prioritize-requirements/ >> >> On 11.08.2017 19:23, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: >>> On 11.08.2017 17:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 11.08.2017 16:53, Florian Effenberger wrote: > doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) > Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend > IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me > Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of > course. Yes, it supports localization, as evidenced by code changes such as: https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/pull/56 I don't think anyone has translated it yet. qwebirc never supported localization. Ilmari >>> >>> I was wrong, the translations are here: http://translations.kiwiirc.com/ >>> >>> Ilmari >>> >> >> -- >> Dr. Heiko Tietze >> UX designer >> Tel. +49 (0)179/1268509 > -- Dr. Heiko Tietze UX designer Tel. +49 (0)179/1268509 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
I guess you mean "missing desktop app with an attractive GUI"? :) Regarding features in general, chat history batch is a draft in the IRC v3 spec: http://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/batch/chathistory-3.3.html A metadata spec is being written and it would include avatars. It is also worth mentioning here that replies are a draft: http://ircv3.net/specs/client-tags/reply.html Editing and deleting of messages is being worked on: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/304 Ilmari On 11.08.2017 20:45, Heiko Tietze wrote: Could the missing desktop app become a showstopper? Telegram is available as standalone app and Telepathy can also handle this protocol (not sure about Pidgin). Thomas collected a couple of requirements in the KDE chat what a messenger should be able to do. I would rate some points differently, so the avatar is a nice-to-have and stickers a contradiction, and suggested to run a Kano survey like I did for KGet in [2]. But the list is interesting anyway. [1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003693.html [2] https://user-prompt.com/using-the-kano-method-to-prioritize-requirements/ On 11.08.2017 19:23, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 11.08.2017 17:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 11.08.2017 16:53, Florian Effenberger wrote: doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of course. Yes, it supports localization, as evidenced by code changes such as: https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/pull/56 I don't think anyone has translated it yet. qwebirc never supported localization. Ilmari I was wrong, the translations are here: http://translations.kiwiirc.com/ Ilmari -- Dr. Heiko Tietze UX designer Tel. +49 (0)179/1268509 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Could the missing desktop app become a showstopper? Telegram is available as standalone app and Telepathy can also handle this protocol (not sure about Pidgin). Thomas collected a couple of requirements in the KDE chat what a messenger should be able to do. I would rate some points differently, so the avatar is a nice-to-have and stickers a contradiction, and suggested to run a Kano survey like I did for KGet in [2]. But the list is interesting anyway. [1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003693.html [2] https://user-prompt.com/using-the-kano-method-to-prioritize-requirements/ On 11.08.2017 19:23, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > On 11.08.2017 17:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: >> On 11.08.2017 16:53, Florian Effenberger wrote: >>> doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) >>> Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend >>> IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me >>> Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of >>> course. >> >> Yes, it supports localization, as evidenced by code changes such as: >> https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/pull/56 >> I don't think anyone has translated it yet. >> qwebirc never supported localization. >> >> Ilmari > > I was wrong, the translations are here: http://translations.kiwiirc.com/ > > Ilmari > -- Dr. Heiko Tietze UX designer Tel. +49 (0)179/1268509 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 11.08.2017 17:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: On 11.08.2017 16:53, Florian Effenberger wrote: doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of course. Yes, it supports localization, as evidenced by code changes such as: https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/pull/56 I don't think anyone has translated it yet. qwebirc never supported localization. Ilmari I was wrong, the translations are here: http://translations.kiwiirc.com/ Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 11.08.2017 16:53, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote on 2017-08-09 at 14:42: Kiwi IRC rewrite will go stable in a couple of weeks. I intend to change our links to point to it. It is much nicer than the dated qwebirc interface. For now, you can try the new version like so (add and remove channels at will): https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/libreoffice-qa,libreoffice-design,libreoffice-dev,libreoffice-doc,tdf-infra doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of course. Yes, it supports localization, as evidenced by code changes such as: https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc/pull/56 I don't think anyone has translated it yet. qwebirc never supported localization. Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hi, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote on 2017-08-09 at 14:42: Kiwi IRC rewrite will go stable in a couple of weeks. I intend to change our links to point to it. It is much nicer than the dated qwebirc interface. For now, you can try the new version like so (add and remove channels at will): https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/libreoffice-qa,libreoffice-design,libreoffice-dev,libreoffice-doc,tdf-infra doesn't look too bad to me indeed. ;-) Do you know if it is available localized? I think if we want to extend IRC to casual users, some localization would be helpful, and for me Kiwi IRC loaded in English. No dealbreaker, but a nice to have of course. Incidentally, KDE is having a similar discussion: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003664.html (warning: massive thread, you might spend your whole day..) Didn't manage to read this yet though :) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 09.08.2017 14:17, Mike Saunders wrote: Hi, On 08/08/2017 12:44, Florian Effenberger wrote: I'm all open for making access easier, have a better web IRC Do you think it's worth hosting our own web IRC front-ends? Currently we point people to Freenode's webchat, eg https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#tdf-infra But if we host ourselves, we could add TDF/LO themeing, extra help, and make the interface more welcoming for newbies to IRC. Just a thought... Mike Kiwi IRC rewrite will go stable in a couple of weeks. I intend to change our links to point to it. It is much nicer than the dated qwebirc interface. For now, you can try the new version like so (add and remove channels at will): https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/libreoffice-qa,libreoffice-design,libreoffice-dev,libreoffice-doc,tdf-infra Hosting our own, we could set up persistent history. A history solution for Kiwi IRC is currently in development. Kiwi IRC also has a theme builder functionality for CSS-only changes: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient-themebuilder Incidentally, KDE is having a similar discussion: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2017q3/003664.html (warning: massive thread, you might spend your whole day..) Ilmari -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hi, On 08/08/2017 12:44, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > I'm all open for making access easier, have a better web IRC Do you think it's worth hosting our own web IRC front-ends? Currently we point people to Freenode's webchat, eg https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#tdf-infra But if we host ourselves, we could add TDF/LO themeing, extra help, and make the interface more welcoming for newbies to IRC. Just a thought... Mike -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hello, ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org wrote on 2017-07-31 at 14:25: I have concerns regarding the communication channels we use for working on LibreOffice. First, it seems we are sliding into a situation where thanks for sharing your concerns. I indeed do take these very seriously, and that topic was considered quite a lot before going that route. My personal take on the situation is that the primary and official channels are those on TDF premises, i.e. primarily our mailing lists, wiki, pad and other resources to create and upload content. We have full control over these. My personal order of preference is e-mail (it's an asynchronous medium that everyone can use at the time and frequency they like), sometimes chat or phone, as the latter ones can help resolving topics easier than with lots of mails back and forth. During the previous LibreOffice Conference, the organizers have setup a Telegram group for the attendees. It was considered mostly an experiment and planned to be shut down after the conference - the strong participation rate and acceptance of it made us rethink and keep it running. It was not a decision upfront, but turned out to be a good idea (IMHO) over time. So, it was initialized in first place by volunteer conference organizers, and has not been pushed by TDF's team, although of course they are quite visible. I agree, though, that we can get better on communication that, indeed. There was a blog post at https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/10/25/presenting-libreoffice-telegram-channel/ that also mentions bridging to IRC, but we could have added more details. The main reason for using all sorts of networks is that we "want to get the people where they are". Especially for the younger generations, and also for some native language groups, messengers and social networks have turned out to be the most effective way. I recall at least one community ever since using Google Plus, and another one ever since using Facebook, considering mailing lists way too complicated and "old style". Being a free software enthusiast, and essentially living in my e-mail client, this doesn't make me totally happy; however, IMHO we would be wasting lots of opportunities if we expect people to show up on mailing lists and IRC, independent what their background is. This is also the reason why the (few) truly free and open social tools do not help in this regard - they are only used by those already attracted by our project. If we want to reach out to new possible contributors, we need to show up where they are, if we like it or not. And looking at my contacts, very few of these use one of the truly free tools either; one contact here, another contact there, but nothing consistent sadly. For me, the main rationale is to have as many content creation, discussions and votes on official channels as possible. I'd like to avoid a situation where decisions take place on some random network only a few subscribe to - the primary working place is the mailing list still, decision need to be properly communicated and shared and run on the official channels. I'm all open for making access easier, have a better web IRC, and also re-investigate video conferencing systems (although I have to admit that testing with 10-20 people is quite time-consuming, so I'd prefer a real-life experience with such an amount, geographically distributed, on various bandwiths). Bridging is another option, and deciding which content to post where makes sense as well. If you have proposals, please share them. We surely can get better, and I'm open for any proposals. Hope that helps! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
Hello, I just want to make clear that the decision of creating the Telegram group for QA was discussed in the QA meeting on 2017-04-25 [1] Besides, both channels are bridged now, which IMHO, allow everyone to choose what fits her/him better. Regards [1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-QA-Meeting-Minutes-2017-04-25-tc4213251.html El 01/08/17 a les 10:46, Sophie ha escrit: > Hi Jonathon, Ilmari, all, > > Le 31/07/2017 à 22:58, Toki a écrit : >> On 07/31/2017 12:25 PM, ilmari.lauhakangas wrote: >> >>> the closed-source chat platform Telegram becomes an official channel for >>> team coordination. >> Source code is at https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop >> >> Where it states «The source code is published under GPLv3 with OpenSSL >> exception, the license is available here.» >> The "here" links to >> https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/LICENSE, which >> contains the text of the GNU GPL 3.0 >> >> As such, I don't understand how it can be accused of being "closed source". > Yes, you're right. However, the most important thing Ilmari is pointing > is about the decision process that shouldn't be on IRC or Telegram or > any other media but on mailing lists. > I like that the community is able to use the tool it prefers to > communicate, that opens the possibilities and makes our projects more > reachable. ESC is not only using hangout, but also phones on Talkyoo, > one language is leading its translation on Facebook, etc... whatever > they are at ease with and brings people together. > What we should be very careful with is to report on the lists, make the > decision process available on the lists and keep an archive of the > activities on the lists. That way each new comer has access to the > information at the same level others have and there is a memory of what > has been done. > > Cheers > Sophie > -- Xisco Faulí Libreoffice QA Team IRC: x1sc0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 31.07.2017 23:58, Toki wrote: On 07/31/2017 12:25 PM, ilmari.lauhakangas wrote: the closed-source chat platform Telegram becomes an official channel for team coordination. Source code is at https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop Where it states «The source code is published under GPLv3 with OpenSSL exception, the license is available here.» The "here" links to https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/LICENSE, which contains the text of the GNU GPL 3.0 As such, I don't understand how it can be accused of being "closed source". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(messaging_service) "Its client-side code is open-source software but contains binary blobs, and the source code for recent versions is not always immediately published, whereas its server-side code is closed-source and proprietary." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] On the communication channels we use
On 07/31/2017 12:25 PM, ilmari.lauhakangas wrote: > the closed-source chat platform Telegram becomes an official channel for team > coordination. Source code is at https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop Where it states «The source code is published under GPLv3 with OpenSSL exception, the license is available here.» The "here" links to https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/LICENSE, which contains the text of the GNU GPL 3.0 As such, I don't understand how it can be accused of being "closed source". jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
