Re: [psad-discuss] Confusing alert from Psad

2013-10-29 Thread Michael Rash
On Oct 29, 2013, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

> [cut]
> >psad offers scan detection that is beyond what can be expressed within
> 
> > the signature set.  The NULL scan detection message was generated from
> > the non-signature portion of psad.
> >
> >
> actually i like the way it worked, it clear lots of my IDS/IPS concepts. so
> i like to read it more in dept.
> 
> E.g like there is a signature file in psad directory. i saw the patterns of
> signatures, how it detect the packet from the log. is there any file where
> i can see those extra patterns for non signature detection.

Non-signature detection is implemented in code.  Actually signature
detection is implemented in code too - you can think of each signature
as a highly expressive "configuration" for how the code treats incoming
data.  When the signature language does not support something that is
useful for attack detection, it becomes a choice as to whether it is
worth trying to extend the signature language itself or write code to
support better detection without modifying the language.

Depending on how deep you want to go, it is probably worth starting with
going through all of the psad.conf variables and associated comments,
and from there taking a look at the psad code itself.

--Mike

> > > why Null scan didn't showed the signature against which this alert
> > > triggered.
> >
> > Having said the above, there is also a NULL scan signature that appears
> > not to have fired, and I believe this is a minor bug that will be
> > corrected in the next version.
> >
> 
> yes, i observe that too, there was a Null signature which hasn't been
> trigger. no problem i am fine as far as it is detecting, one way or another.
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Mike
> >

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Re: [psad-discuss] Confusing alert from Psad

2013-10-28 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
[cut]
>psad offers scan detection that is beyond what can be expressed within

> the signature set.  The NULL scan detection message was generated from
> the non-signature portion of psad.
>
>
actually i like the way it worked, it clear lots of my IDS/IPS concepts. so
i like to read it more in dept.

E.g like there is a signature file in psad directory. i saw the patterns of
signatures, how it detect the packet from the log. is there any file where
i can see those extra patterns for non signature detection.



> > why Null scan didn't showed the signature against which this alert
> > triggered.
>
> Having said the above, there is also a NULL scan signature that appears
> not to have fired, and I believe this is a minor bug that will be
> corrected in the next version.
>

yes, i observe that too, there was a Null signature which hasn't been
trigger. no problem i am fine as far as it is detecting, one way or another.

>
> Thanks,
>
> --Mike
>
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Re: [psad-discuss] Confusing alert from Psad

2013-10-28 Thread Michael Rash
On Oct 28, 2013, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:

> i am using nmap for scanning NULL and XMAS
> 
> here is the log
> 
> 
> XMAS log:
> 
>  src: 10.x.x.17 signature match: "SCAN nmap XMAS" (sid: 1228) tcp port: 765
> Oct 28 21:03:38 firewall
> psad: scan detected: 10.x.x.17 -> 10.x.x.22 tcp: [1-65389] flags: URG PSH
> FIN tcp pkts: 2000 DL: 5
> 
> 
> Null Scan log:
> psad: scan detected: 10.x.x.17 -> 10.x.x.22 tcp: [1-65389] flags: NULL tcp
> pkts: 1990 DL: 5

psad offers scan detection that is beyond what can be expressed within
the signature set.  The NULL scan detection message was generated from
the non-signature portion of psad.

> why Null scan didn't showed the signature against which this alert
> triggered.

Having said the above, there is also a NULL scan signature that appears
not to have fired, and I believe this is a minor bug that will be
corrected in the next version.

Thanks,

--Mike


> Thanks,
> 
> MYK

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