Re: solo safe
Macs don’t have a left and right click like PC’s do. all you have to do is hold down the modifier key and click on the track pad. You right click on most stuff on the mac by holding down CMD while clicking the mouse or trackpad. On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Steve Sparrow wrote: > Hi Poppa. actually i managed to get solo safe happening. Turns out what i was > doing was running my finger along the bottom of the track pad, locating the > left mouse button, and what i did not realise was that this was moving the > cursor. So i changed the way i do this, come in from the left hand side. > it’s working fine now. > Thanks > Steve > >> On 1 Feb 2015, at 12:45 pm, Poppa Bear wrote: >> >> You found out that you needed to solo safe your busses and sends? PS, what >> steps are you taking to click on solo safe? I tend to have to try a few >> different key combonations until I get it right each time and it's a PEDA. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Steve Sparrow >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:00 PM >> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com >> Subject: solo safe >> >> Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask >> about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. >> i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then >> signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all >> fine. >> >> now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal >> at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any >> track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs >> track. >> >> Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, >> but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired >> track, hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left >> mouse button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac >> book pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper >> mouse with buttons. . >> i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. >> Is this also the reason for my solo issue. >> Steve >> >> p.s. cursure tracking is on. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Surprise! the nice thing about being human Scott is that we are all unique. That means any number of things might motivate a person, sometimes at the same time. Now please remember I am firmly dancing outside of the box here. But let me give you a very simple and totally hypothetical example that would result in progress. It is realistic mind you, but still just an example. Let's say this executive went to University of California at LA. He decides to have lunch at the alumni club and runs into an old professor. The professor says, hey what is the deal with the iloc manager? We have this university grant for our production lab, and when you guys changed the interface, all of our stuff stopped working as well. thing is if we fail to meet the grant guidelines we will loose about 400 million in funding over the next five years. I don't suppose that old interface could find its way back into functionality could it? Mr. Pace executive says, you know professor, I was just reading some emails about that interface, apparently allot of people liked it. let me see if we can fix that issue. Former professor say s thanks, and suddenly Chris' suggestion about the old interface is back, perhaps branded as a free add on or upgrade or even a security fix...but it is back. And at some level you have access without accessibility being the focus of their conversation. The executive just wanted to do a favor for his old university. What do you think of that? Granted, I could come up with many avenues to the same or even other elements of progress. My point in general is that the desire to be important is such a human motivation that one can learn a great deal about your subject in that way. Asking those who know him, hey, what motivates him to try new things? If you had it all your way, how would we bring this guy on board? etc. As for the right thing to do? that my good sir is very relatives indeed. right for whom by what definition? But that is getting philosophical smiles. Let me know if I lost you, Karen On Sun, 1 Feb 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: Well, word on the grapevine (which is all most of us have to work with here) is that Avid are aware of the Pace situation. It's been hinted here that the few people who have Avids ear are doing what they can to keep the topic current whenever they have Avids ear. Beyond them, I can't think of another industry player who's given two hoots about accessibility lately. Your question of what motivates people is an interesting one, but I get the feeling you're way ahead of me in answering it. At this point I've only gotten as far as "oh, that's an interesting question. I thought my answer of they do it because it's a good thing to do was the only answer because money is never an answer, but I guess I missed something". I'll keep thinking on it, but if you'd care to drop any hints as to the surprise I'm feeling my way toward... On 1/31/15, Karen Lewellen wrote: All well and good...but again I do not speak of what you believe is or is not important to the individual with the power to make this happen. I speak of what motivates them? And that answer might surprise you. After all the argument about market share percentage has not prevented others in the industry from incorporating inclusion. And some of those industry players might not appreciate having their success in this area slowed down by another company. Or some in the industry might know what makes this person tick so to speak. The change need not come about in an adversarial way. granted i am not writing from the place of being directly impacted...which is why I said i was reading this objectively. Still major changes have come about for the benefit of one, before but you must think like the person making the decision if that makes sense. Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, TheOreoMonster wrote: Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major business customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we need feature X, Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could continue to get shafted. At the end of the day we aren't paying the bills and we probably aren't paying enough of their industry customers bills for them to say hold off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented. Good PR only goes so far. Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity, especially if they spell your name right. That being said, I think the internship or part time employee idea is a great one, but as a company with IP to protect they probably have to be somewhat careful about who sees that code. And we still have the issue of .. until the code base gets to the point where all we need is element and button labeling they may need engineers who know the code intimately to bring it to that point. Once they can start on the real meat of the access work then that may be a good time to bring
Re: solo safe
Hi Poppa. actually i managed to get solo safe happening. Turns out what i was doing was running my finger along the bottom of the track pad, locating the left mouse button, and what i did not realise was that this was moving the cursor. So i changed the way i do this, come in from the left hand side. it’s working fine now. Thanks Steve > On 1 Feb 2015, at 12:45 pm, Poppa Bear wrote: > > You found out that you needed to solo safe your busses and sends? PS, what > steps are you taking to click on solo safe? I tend to have to try a few > different key combonations until I get it right each time and it's a PEDA. > > -Original Message- > From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Steve Sparrow > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:00 PM > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Subject: solo safe > > Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask > about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. > i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then > signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all > fine. > > now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal > at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any > track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs track. > > Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, > but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired track, > hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left mouse > button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac book > pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper mouse > with buttons. . > i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. > Is this also the reason for my solo issue. > Steve > > p.s. cursure tracking is on. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: solo safe
You found out that you needed to solo safe your busses and sends? PS, what steps are you taking to click on solo safe? I tend to have to try a few different key combonations until I get it right each time and it's a PEDA. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sparrow Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:00 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: solo safe Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all fine. now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs track. Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired track, hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left mouse button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac book pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper mouse with buttons. . i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. Is this also the reason for my solo issue. Steve p.s. cursure tracking is on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Well, word on the grapevine (which is all most of us have to work with here) is that Avid are aware of the Pace situation. It's been hinted here that the few people who have Avids ear are doing what they can to keep the topic current whenever they have Avids ear. Beyond them, I can't think of another industry player who's given two hoots about accessibility lately. Your question of what motivates people is an interesting one, but I get the feeling you're way ahead of me in answering it. At this point I've only gotten as far as "oh, that's an interesting question. I thought my answer of they do it because it's a good thing to do was the only answer because money is never an answer, but I guess I missed something". I'll keep thinking on it, but if you'd care to drop any hints as to the surprise I'm feeling my way toward... On 1/31/15, Karen Lewellen wrote: > All well and good...but again I do not speak of what you believe is or > is not important to the individual with the power to make this happen. > I speak of what motivates them? > And that answer might surprise you. > After all the argument about market share percentage has not prevented > others in the industry from incorporating inclusion. > And some of those industry players might not appreciate having their > success in this area slowed down by another company. > Or some in the industry might know what makes this person tick so to > speak. > The change need not come about in an adversarial way. > granted i am not writing from the place of being directly > impacted...which is why I said i was reading this objectively. > Still major changes have come about for the benefit of one, before but > you must think like the person making the decision if that makes sense. > Kare > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, TheOreoMonster wrote: > >> Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry >> customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major >> business customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we >> need feature X, Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could >> continue to get shafted. At the end of the day we aren't paying the bills >> and we probably aren't paying enough of their industry customers bills for >> them to say hold off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented. >> Good PR only goes so far. Remember there is no such thing as bad >> publicity, especially if they spell your name right. That being said, I >> think the internship or part time employee idea is a great one, but as a >> company with IP to protect they probably have to be somewhat careful about >> who sees that code. And we still have the issue of .. until the code base >> gets to the point where all we need is element and button labeling they >> may need engineers who know the code intimately to bring it to that point. >> Once they can start on the real meat of the access work then that may be a >> good time to bring in the part time employee to make the changes s as to >> keep things moving forward. >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Karen Lewellen >> wrote: >> >>> You Know Scott, >>> Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no >>> incentive for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or >>> in the future. >>> what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? >>> Which is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, >>> maybe later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the >>> resources, but oops something more worth our time came up. >>> I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What >>> motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? >>> he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply >>> create a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, >>> or get the company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time >>> engineer to do the work...and make sure they get major press for being >>> innovative. Let the engineer blog about the progress hyping the next >>> edition of Ilock manager it impacts. >>> If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? >>> I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you >>> with details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying >>> customers perspective. >>> How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of >>> his company? >>> If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him >>> reason to think again? >>> Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social >>> media or great social media in an environment where such can become >>> profoundly public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful >>> . Still as Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. >>> How does this executive define it, and how can you use that definition to >>> suddenly make this a
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
I'm gonna pretend that I didn't hear that. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy Wow, how long does it take to type all that, even if you're a fast typist? Sent from Chris's iPhone. On Jan 31, 2015, at 13:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I dono... I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also agree with Mike. October? Really? OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument here. The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe me! My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst hooking seperet A P I's to allow an option to give accessibility mode. If this is the case, then surely you could also do the same by having multiple A P I's with the ILok manager. Maybe it's not that easy, and I by far am definitely! not a programmer at heart, so really, honestly, in all fairness, who am I to make such assumptions? I do think though that if Pace really truely did! want to fix things, though I'm not complaining as much as being very realistic here, I truely think they could figure some alternative out. Even if it was only temporary. What I don't understand is why one minute, the guy in his letter from Pace states maybe in the mingtime, they could look at redoing some of the older A P I's to regain some accessibility. But then, he says later on in the letter that the 2.0 update will not have accessibility. He flat out admits it! Then said maybe by October, with version 3.0 they'd look into it. OK, so, are they going to give us back some A P I's, or not! Make up their mind. It's like being pregnant. Either they are! going to, or, they're not! going to. They can't go both ways, that I know of. I know I'm probably gonna get the F*** tiched outta me for this message, so go ahead. I can take the heat. I'm voicing my true not so humble opinion. If people have a problem with me doing so, then, frankly, with all due respect, tough shit. LOL! I mean, really, I'm sorry to be so harshly blunt saying that, but I tell it as I see it. Chris. - Original Message - From: "TheOreoMonster" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the point where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. Yes that process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where that could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of years in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling began. It appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the moment. On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, Feel assured you are being heard. Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference to a complai
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Karen, I completely agree. You make some very valid points. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy You Know Scott, Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or in the future. what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? Which is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, maybe later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, but oops something more worth our time came up. I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply create a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative. Let the engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition of Ilock manager it impacts. If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers perspective. How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of his company? If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason to think again? Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social media or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. How does this executive define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make this a priority. If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand waiting...and waiting. Does that make sense? Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. Scott On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I dono... I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also agree with Mike. October? Really? OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument here. The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen reader us
Re: solo safe
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > got it working. >> On 1 Feb 2015, at 8:14 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> correction here. >> i’ve looked again, and it is only happening on tracks assigned to the augs >> track, and the augs track it self. So this must be a solo safe issue i >> assume. the question is, how can i turn this on, and weather the track pad >> can be used to do this. >> Steve >>> On 1 Feb 2015, at 7:59 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >>> >>> Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask >>> about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. >>> i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then >>> signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all >>> fine. >>> >>> now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no >>> signal at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case >>> with any track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the >>> augs track. >>> >>> Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, >>> but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired >>> track, hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left >>> mouse button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a >>> mac book pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a >>> proper mouse with buttons. . >>> i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. >>> Is this also the reason for my solo issue. >>> Steve >>> >>> p.s. cursure tracking is on. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.Steve hope you get > this you have to solo the send tracks along with the aux track -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
All well and good...but again I do not speak of what you believe is or is not important to the individual with the power to make this happen. I speak of what motivates them? And that answer might surprise you. After all the argument about market share percentage has not prevented others in the industry from incorporating inclusion. And some of those industry players might not appreciate having their success in this area slowed down by another company. Or some in the industry might know what makes this person tick so to speak. The change need not come about in an adversarial way. granted i am not writing from the place of being directly impacted...which is why I said i was reading this objectively. Still major changes have come about for the benefit of one, before but you must think like the person making the decision if that makes sense. Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, TheOreoMonster wrote: Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major business customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we need feature X, Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could continue to get shafted. At the end of the day we aren???t paying the bills and we probably aren???t paying enough of their industry customers bills for them to say hold off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented. Good PR only goes so far. Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity, especially if they spell your name right. That being said, I think the internship or part time employee idea is a great one, but as a company with IP to protect they probably have to be somewhat careful about who sees that code. And we still have the issue of .. until the code base gets to the point where all we need is element and button labeling they may need engineers who know the code intimately to bring it to that point. Once they can start on the real meat of the access work then that may be a good time to bring in the part time employee to make the changes s as to keep things moving forward. On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: You Know Scott, Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or in the future. what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? Which is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, maybe later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, but oops something more worth our time came up. I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply create a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative. Let the engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition of Ilock manager it impacts. If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers perspective. How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of his company? If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason to think again? Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social media or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. How does this executive define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make this a priority. If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand waiting...and waiting. Does that make sense? Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. Scott On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I dono... I guess I have mixed feelings.
Re: solo safe
got it working. > On 1 Feb 2015, at 8:14 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > correction here. > i’ve looked again, and it is only happening on tracks assigned to the augs > track, and the augs track it self. So this must be a solo safe issue i > assume. the question is, how can i turn this on, and weather the track pad > can be used to do this. > Steve >> On 1 Feb 2015, at 7:59 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: >> >> Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask >> about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. >> i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then >> signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all >> fine. >> >> now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal >> at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any >> track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs >> track. >> >> Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, >> but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired >> track, hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left >> mouse button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac >> book pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper >> mouse with buttons. . >> i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. >> Is this also the reason for my solo issue. >> Steve >> >> p.s. cursure tracking is on. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Yep, a lot of that makes sense Kare, and up until a few years ago I'd have been in complete agreement. Since then, I've had what I suppose you could call a crisis of faith when it comes to looking at the big picture with this accessibility stuff. I'm not claiming this is right necessarily, but here's the current view outside of my grimy and admittedly jaded window. In the vast majority of cases, accessibility isn't a big enough money spinner for it to be worth a companies while on paper. Therefore, we get in touch with the people behind the products we want to be able to use and talk to them about it. Sometimes, those people are switched on enough to realize that it's the right thing to do, and they eventually get to it. More often, it's passed from person to person, stonewalled, or put on the backburner indefinitely, and I'm struggling to think of an instance of that situation being turned back around. As has already been pointed out by Oreo, it's unlikely that Pace keeps the lights on with sales to end users, so what weight do a tiny subsection within the little people have really? My point is that with companies of a certain size, we could make a lot of noise, but have no real clout. From what I've seen so far, the polite, positive and understated approach is the one that gets results in the end if anything is going to. Your idea of an open letter in a major industry publication is a great one. Unfortunately, it hinges on there being interest from said major industry publications. From shopping around some pieces before that crisis of faith I mentioned, I'm pretty confident in saying that there isn't enough for it to be an effective strategy. On 1/31/15, Karen Lewellen wrote: > You Know Scott, > Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no > incentive for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or > in the future. > what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? > Which is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, > maybe later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the > resources, but oops something more worth our time came up. > I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What > motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? > he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply > create a part time position, or internship where this guy went to > school, or get the company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time > engineer to do the work...and make sure they get major press for being > innovative. Let the engineer blog about the progress hyping the next > edition of Ilock manager it impacts. > If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? > I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with > > details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers > perspective. > How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks > of his company? > If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him > reason to think again? > Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social > media or great social media in an environment where such can become > profoundly public fast. > I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as Carnegie > wrote every > human has the desire to feel important. How does this executive define > it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make this a priority. > If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand > waiting...and waiting. > Does that make sense? > Kare > > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so >> far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. >> >> It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took >> years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched >> by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long >> periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to >> forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but >> that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. >> >> Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll >> directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what >> accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace >> engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. >> >> Scott >> >> On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> I dono... >>> >>> I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I >>> also >>> >>> agree with Mike. October? Really? >>> >>> OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily >>> be >>> implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't >>> pace >>> give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new >>> platform. >>> >>> I
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Really don’t want to get in a back and forth about this, I would rather we save our energy for the accessibility challenges outside of this forum. Also my schedule won’t allow it. From first hand knowledge ProTools 10, and 11, in Mountain Lion and Mavericks was unusable. When I say this was fixed in les than two months, with out going in to details just know I’m not guessing. I understand that we all have different motives for wanting to get things fixed For some of us it’s our work, for some of us it’s training, and for some it’s just a hobby, so I understand some may be abit more aggressive about timing than others. I’m not interested in a divisive discussion here because I’m a where of where our focus must be. So once again for every one no matter the process, who forced Mr. Cornce to at least respond, thanks again. On 1/31/15, Mike Lockett wrote: > On 1/31/15, TheOreoMonster wrote: >> How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT >> regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the >> point where all that was needed to be done was label elements and >> buttons. >> Yes that process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point >> where >> that could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of >> years in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling >> began. It appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the >> moment. >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: >> >>> To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, >>> Feel assured you are being heard. >>> Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference >>> to a complaint, >>> Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility >>> support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and >>> been done with it ages ago.”” >>> >>> Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! >>> When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid >>> Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate >>> time. >>> In Avid’s case their were a thousand moving parts in the UI of the Ap, >>> most of the accessibility issues were fixed in les than two months >>> once it became a priority. >>> Labeling some elements, and buttons should never take until October… >>> >>> We may disagree on how to get this done, >>> but we agree it must be done… >>> >>> If we keep working the back channels we will achieve our desired >>> results. >>> In other words lets keep working. >>> For some of you who may disagree or for other reasons just can’t, >>> We will respect you. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: solo safe
correction here. i’ve looked again, and it is only happening on tracks assigned to the augs track, and the augs track it self. So this must be a solo safe issue i assume. the question is, how can i turn this on, and weather the track pad can be used to do this. Steve > On 1 Feb 2015, at 7:59 am, Steve Sparrow wrote: > > Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask > about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. > i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then > signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all > fine. > > now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal > at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any > track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs track. > > Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, > but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired track, > hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left mouse > button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac book > pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper mouse > with buttons. . > i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. > Is this also the reason for my solo issue. > Steve > > p.s. cursure tracking is on. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
solo safe
Hi. well i’m setting up a mix in p t. a couple of things i thought i’d ask about. IHaving a small issue when soloing tracks. i’m trying to sub mix some tracks. So i created an augs track, and then signed it to a bus . i then sent the tracks i wanted to my augs track. all fine. now. from this point on, when ever i hit a solo on any track i get no signal at all, i don’t get what i am soloing. as i said this is the case with any track i try to solo. It works fine before i sign my guitars to the augs track. Is this something to do with solo safe. I have also tried to set this up, but can’t seem to click my mouse. i find my solo button on the desired track, hit vo command f 5, thin hit command and what i think is the left mouse button. but nothing seems to happen. i am using the track pad on a mac book pro at the moment. does it work with a track pad, or do i need a proper mouse with buttons. . i am hitting the bottom left hand corner of my trak pad. Is this also the reason for my solo issue. Steve p.s. cursure tracking is on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Wow, how long does it take to type all that, even if you're a fast typist? Sent from Chris's iPhone. > On Jan 31, 2015, at 13:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > I dono... > > I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also > agree with Mike. October? Really? > > OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be > implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace > give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. > It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it > was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those > A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for > the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and > want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of > us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I > understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be > eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might > not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it > not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up > with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at > least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people > like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're > probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me > out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument > here. > > The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If > you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is > an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it > works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What > about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they > had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen > reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, > then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe me! > > My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst hooking > seperet A P I's to allow an option to give accessibility mode. If this is > the case, then surely you could also do the same by having multiple A P I's > with the ILok manager. Maybe it's not that easy, and I by far am definitely! > not a programmer at heart, so really, honestly, in all fairness, who am I to > make such assumptions? I do think though that if Pace really truely did! > want to fix things, though I'm not complaining as much as being very > realistic here, I truely think they could figure some alternative out. Even > if it was only temporary. > > What I don't understand is why one minute, the guy in his letter from Pace > states maybe in the mingtime, they could look at redoing some of the older A > P I's to regain some accessibility. But then, he says later on in the letter > that the 2.0 update will not have accessibility. He flat out admits it! > Then said maybe by October, with version 3.0 they'd look into it. OK, so, > are they going to give us back some A P I's, or not! Make up their mind. > It's like being pregnant. Either they are! going to, or, they're not! going > to. They can't go both ways, that I know of. > > I know I'm probably gonna get the F*** tiched outta me for this message, so > go ahead. I can take the heat. I'm voicing my true not so humble opinion. > If people have a problem with me doing so, then, frankly, with all due > respect, tough shit. LOL! I mean, really, I'm sorry to be so harshly blunt > saying that, but I tell it as I see it. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "TheOreoMonster" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy > > > How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT > regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the point > where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. Yes that > process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where that > could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of years > in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling began. It > appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the moment. >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: >> >> To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, >> Feel assured you are being heard. >> Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference >> to a complaint, >> Quote, “What I don't agree with i
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Remember in Paces case Majority of their business comes from industry customers, not end users. There for so long as PT and the other major business customers continue to pay them and continue to stress that we need feature X, Y, and Z to protect our assists yes we the end user could continue to get shafted. At the end of the day we aren’t paying the bills and we probably aren’t paying enough of their industry customers bills for them to say hold off on feature X, Y, and Z till access is implemented. Good PR only goes so far. Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity, especially if they spell your name right. That being said, I think the internship or part time employee idea is a great one, but as a company with IP to protect they probably have to be somewhat careful about who sees that code. And we still have the issue of .. until the code base gets to the point where all we need is element and button labeling they may need engineers who know the code intimately to bring it to that point. Once they can start on the real meat of the access work then that may be a good time to bring in the part time employee to make the changes s as to keep things moving forward. On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > You Know Scott, > Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive > for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or in the future. > what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? Which > is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, maybe > later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, > but oops something more worth our time came up. > I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What > motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? > he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply create > a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the > company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the > work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative. Let the > engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition of Ilock manager > it impacts. > If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? > I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with > details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers > perspective. > How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of his > company? > If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason > to think again? > Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social media > or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly > public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as > Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. How does this > executive define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make > this a priority. > If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand > waiting...and waiting. > Does that make sense? > Kare > > > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so >> far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. >> >> It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took >> years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched >> by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long >> periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to >> forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but >> that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. >> >> Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll >> directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what >> accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace >> engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. >> >> Scott >> >> On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> I dono... >>> >>> I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also >>> >>> agree with Mike. October? Really? >>> >>> OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be >>> implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace >>> give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. >>> >>> It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it >>> was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those >>> >>> A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for >>> >>> the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and >>> want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most >>> of us! are, then you would ha
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Very well said! E Sent from Chris's iPhone in Barbados! > On Jan 31, 2015, at 16:54, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > You Know Scott, > Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive > for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or in the future. > what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? Which > is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, maybe > later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, > but oops something more worth our time came up. > I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What > motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? > he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply create > a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the > company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the > work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative. Let the > engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition of Ilock manager > it impacts. > If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? > I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with > details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers > perspective. > How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of his > company? > If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason > to think again? > Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social media > or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly > public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as > Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. How does this > executive define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make > this a priority. > If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand > waiting...and waiting. > Does that make sense? > Kare > > > >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so >> far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. >> >> It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took >> years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched >> by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long >> periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to >> forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but >> that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. >> >> Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll >> directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what >> accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace >> engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. >> >> Scott >> >>> On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> I dono... >>> >>> I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also >>> >>> agree with Mike. October? Really? >>> >>> OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be >>> implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace >>> give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. >>> >>> It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it >>> was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those >>> >>> A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for >>> >>> the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and >>> want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most >>> of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. >>> >>> I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to >>> be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You >>> might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, >>> does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! >>> come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, >>> >>> they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback >>> for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, >>> >>> you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! >>> Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate >>> argument here. >>> >>> The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. >>> If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there >>> >>> is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, >>> it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. >>> What about Tapin Radio on
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
You Know Scott, Call me an innocent. but reading this objectively, there seems no incentive for this person to give you what you want at all, not now, or in the future. what would motivate pace to consider this problem worth their time? Which is basically the answer. We do not have the resources right now, maybe later. Then later becomes gosh darn i thought we would have the resources, but oops something more worth our time came up. I am not being disrespectful. Instead I am thinking business. What motivates this person, and how can you use this to gain what you desire? he seems to indicate they are short on staff resources. Fine, simply create a part time position, or internship where this guy went to school, or get the company a tax write off for the cost to pay a part time engineer to do the work...and make sure they get major press for being innovative. Let the engineer blog about the progress hyping the next edition of Ilock manager it impacts. If it is not the cost that motivates him, what does? I read the letter got to the line where he says...I will not bother you with details. I thought, oh please do bother me, from the paying customers perspective. How about his reputation? Does he care how others he respects thinks of his company? If so, would an open letter in a major industry publication, give him reason to think again? Yes you waited a long time before, however one can generate bad social media or great social media in an environment where such can become profoundly public fast. I do not personally feel negativity is needful . Still as Carnegie wrote every human has the desire to feel important. How does this executive define it, and how can you use that definition to suddenly make this a priority. If he knows the market will wait, he will keep you waitingand waiting...and waiting. Does that make sense? Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Scott Chesworth wrote: He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. Scott On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I dono... I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also agree with Mike. October? Really? OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument here. The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe me! My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst hooking seperet A P I's to allow an
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
The reason the web API got killed if i understood correctly, was because it was a piracy vector. There was some loop hole in it that iLok loaders in cracked copies of PT was using. Either way i do remember it being a besuness decision. Much like them not getting to it before v2.0. Say what you want but at the end of the day company needs to make money or they won’t be around for long. In the meantime we have work arounds. Personally i make sure a company is willing to help me get the asset on my iLok before spending any money with them. +-On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I dono... > > I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also > agree with Mike. October? Really? > > OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be > implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace > give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. > It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it > was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those > A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for > the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and > want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of > us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I > understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be > eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might > not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it > not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up > with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at > least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people > like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're > probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me > out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument > here. > > The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If > you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is > an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it > works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What > about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they > had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen > reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, > then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe me! > > My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst hooking > seperet A P I's to allow an option to give accessibility mode. If this is > the case, then surely you could also do the same by having multiple A P I's > with the ILok manager. Maybe it's not that easy, and I by far am definitely! > not a programmer at heart, so really, honestly, in all fairness, who am I to > make such assumptions? I do think though that if Pace really truely did! > want to fix things, though I'm not complaining as much as being very > realistic here, I truely think they could figure some alternative out. Even > if it was only temporary. > > What I don't understand is why one minute, the guy in his letter from Pace > states maybe in the mingtime, they could look at redoing some of the older A > P I's to regain some accessibility. But then, he says later on in the letter > that the 2.0 update will not have accessibility. He flat out admits it! > Then said maybe by October, with version 3.0 they'd look into it. OK, so, > are they going to give us back some A P I's, or not! Make up their mind. > It's like being pregnant. Either they are! going to, or, they're not! going > to. They can't go both ways, that I know of. > > I know I'm probably gonna get the F*** tiched outta me for this message, so > go ahead. I can take the heat. I'm voicing my true not so humble opinion. > If people have a problem with me doing so, then, frankly, with all due > respect, tough shit. LOL! I mean, really, I'm sorry to be so harshly blunt > saying that, but I tell it as I see it. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "TheOreoMonster" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy > > > How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT > regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the point > where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. Yes that > process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where that > could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of years
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
He talks about balancing newer developments with legacy OS support so far as I can tell, not bringing back any old APIs. It's already been pointed out once, but I'll do it again. It took years, and I do mean quite a few of them, before anything got touched by Avid. During those years there were long, and I do mean long periods of inactivity and uncertainty for everyone. It's easy to forget or overlook that journey if you're new ish to using PT, but that's how we ended up with the accessibility you're now using. Seems to me like there's not much noise being made here that'll directly lead to results, unless someone knows enough about what accessibility support there is in QT4 to be able to save those Pace engineers on the skunkworks project a bunch of time. Scott On 1/31/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I dono... > > I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also > > agree with Mike. October? Really? > > OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be > implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace > give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. > > It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it > was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those > > A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for > > the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and > want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most > of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. > > I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to > be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You > might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, > does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! > come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, > > they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback > for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, > > you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! > Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate > argument here. > > The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. > If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there > > is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, > it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. > What about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, > > they had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen > > reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, > > then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe > me! > > My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst > hooking seperet A P I's to allow an option to give accessibility mode. If > this is the case, then surely you could also do the same by having multiple > > A P I's with the ILok manager. Maybe it's not that easy, and I by far am > definitely! not a programmer at heart, so really, honestly, in all fairness, > > who am I to make such assumptions? I do think though that if Pace really > truely did! want to fix things, though I'm not complaining as much as being > > very realistic here, I truely think they could figure some alternative out. > > Even if it was only temporary. > > What I don't understand is why one minute, the guy in his letter from Pace > states maybe in the mingtime, they could look at redoing some of the older A > > P I's to regain some accessibility. But then, he says later on in the > letter that the 2.0 update will not have accessibility. He flat out admits > > it! Then said maybe by October, with version 3.0 they'd look into it. OK, > > so, are they going to give us back some A P I's, or not! Make up their > mind. It's like being pregnant. Either they are! going to, or, they're > not! going to. They can't go both ways, that I know of. > > I know I'm probably gonna get the F*** tiched outta me for this message, so > > go ahead. I can take the heat. I'm voicing my true not so humble opinion. > > If people have a problem with me doing so, then, frankly, with all due > respect, tough shit. LOL! I mean, really, I'm sorry to be so harshly blunt > > saying that, but I tell it as I see it. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: "TheOreoMonster" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy > > > How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT > regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the > point where all that was needed to be done w
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
I dono... I guess I have mixed feelings. I agree with you on the one hand, but I also agree with Mike. October? Really? OK, look at it this way, no, the newer technology wouldn't necessarily be implemented this way nor be totally up to date par, but! why couldn't pace give us two options, since they're so insistant on making this new platform. It seems logical to me, why not put the web interface manager back like it was a few years ago when things worked flawlessly? Put that back with those A P I's, but then, also support a newer A P I which would let them build for the current, and more updated software. This way, if you are sighted and want to use the software, more power to! ya! But, if you're blind as most of us! are, then you would have a fallback method which we still could use. I understand completely that eventually, that old web based A P I needs to be eventually rolled completely out, OK, I totally totally get that. You might not think I do, but actually, yes. I do. Trust me with this. But, does it not seem feezible to you all, that in the mingtime until they do! come up with a way to get the new software working with good accessibility, they at least! temporarily could re-enable the web interface as a fallback for people like ourselves? Look at things like the Sendspace wizard. Now, you're probably going and this has to do with the tea in China, how? LOL! Hear me out on this though, as I really am trying to present a legitimate argument here. The Sendspace wizard on the mac, by default is not very accessible at all. If you've not tried it, trust me. It's a living nightmare! However, there is an option in the menu bar which enables accessibility mode. Once done, it works... well... I'd not say perfectly, but I'd say almost! perfectly. What about Tapin Radio on the Windows side of things. For the longest time, they had an option when installing that you could check if you were a screen reader user. If you check it, bam! Tapin is now accessible. If you don't, then, good? freaking, luck! You'll be sorry you didn't check it, believe me! My point is, they were able to keep the inaccessible interface whilst hooking seperet A P I's to allow an option to give accessibility mode. If this is the case, then surely you could also do the same by having multiple A P I's with the ILok manager. Maybe it's not that easy, and I by far am definitely! not a programmer at heart, so really, honestly, in all fairness, who am I to make such assumptions? I do think though that if Pace really truely did! want to fix things, though I'm not complaining as much as being very realistic here, I truely think they could figure some alternative out. Even if it was only temporary. What I don't understand is why one minute, the guy in his letter from Pace states maybe in the mingtime, they could look at redoing some of the older A P I's to regain some accessibility. But then, he says later on in the letter that the 2.0 update will not have accessibility. He flat out admits it! Then said maybe by October, with version 3.0 they'd look into it. OK, so, are they going to give us back some A P I's, or not! Make up their mind. It's like being pregnant. Either they are! going to, or, they're not! going to. They can't go both ways, that I know of. I know I'm probably gonna get the F*** tiched outta me for this message, so go ahead. I can take the heat. I'm voicing my true not so humble opinion. If people have a problem with me doing so, then, frankly, with all due respect, tough shit. LOL! I mean, really, I'm sorry to be so harshly blunt saying that, but I tell it as I see it. Chris. - Original Message - From: "TheOreoMonster" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the point where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. Yes that process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where that could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of years in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling began. It appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the moment. On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, Feel assured you are being heard. Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference to a complaint, Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with it ages ago.”” Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate time. In Avid’s case their
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
Mike, I could absolutely not, regardless Slau's opinion, which I will not try changing, don't worry, agree with you any more than I do! Your attitude with this echos almost identically! what I think as well. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Mike Lockett" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:41 AM Subject: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, Feel assured you are being heard. Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference to a complaint, Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with it ages ago.”” Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate time. In Avid’s case their were a thousand moving parts in the UI of the Ap, most of the accessibility issues were fixed in les than two months once it became a priority. Labeling some elements, and buttons should never take until October… We may disagree on how to get this done, but we agree it must be done… If we keep working the back channels we will achieve our desired results. In other words lets keep working. For some of you who may disagree or for other reasons just can’t, We will respect you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: a response from Pace regarding the status of iLok accessibility
Hi Ricky, Just to clarify things a bit! On our bimonthly conference call with Avid yesterday BTW only Mike & Vin & myself were on the call this time!! ;) the Pace subject came up as it usually does, and Lets just say the some higher ups at Avid were contacted "AFTER!" the namm show by Pace. Notice the time line! :) With out naming names at this point the "torch" has been lit under the issue. To coin a phrase "Action speaks louder than Progressives CO2"! :) If you want full details by all means give me a call! Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Ricky Prevatte wrote: > Well this is exactly what I figured. That is why I did not write the company. > It is a level head that will prevail and the record shows that. Great work > slau I understand everyone's need to have access to the lock.we will just > have to wait I believe that the challenge avid sent out can serve us better > in the long run.I would never send an email to any third party pertaining to > ProTools that I did not include that letter with it.I really believe in a few > years we will have major progress on the Mac side with many third-party > providers and ProTools as well.I would make a suggestion for us to create > ways to bring positive media attention to companies like avid help get them > positive public relations a reward for what they are doing. Honey will bring > much much more then vinegar.someone get that company in the news and tell how > they are the pioneer like Apple and what it can do for the 70% of the blind > of America that are out of work and other companies will jump on board. > People love to feel good let's do something to help people feel good. And I > promise we will gain even more quicklythen any of us could imagine. > > Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154 > >> On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> >> As most of you know, I've kept a dialog going with Pace regarding iLok >> License Manager accessibility. Some folks at Avid have been involved in >> these discussions. At times, it's been frustrating to be patient and I've >> mentioned the importance of maintaining good relations with developers. I >> personally don't agree with recent calls for complaint against Pace. I >> believe it serves to antagonize. I won't debate this point so don't bother >> trying to engage me toward that end. regardless, as per my recent request >> for an official statement from Allen cronce, president of Pace, I've >> received the following communication which he encouraged me to share with >> the list. I've already given him a quick thank you for acknowledgement and >> will give a proper response first thing on Monday. >> >> Hi Slau, >> >> Thanks for your email. Sorry for my delayed response. I was tied up at the >> NAMM show and follow up meetings in southern California earlier this week. >> >> I agree that it's taking a long time for PACE to provide accessibility >> support. I also agree that we have not been communicative regarding our >> progress. >> >> What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is >> simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with >> it ages ago. >> >> The fact of the matter is that there have been tremendous prerequisites in >> our way before we can complete accessibility support in the iLok License >> Manager and the Activation Experience. I don't want to bore you with the >> software development details. Suffice it to say that we've worked through >> about half of the prerequisites in the past quarter, which included a >> complete modernization and overhaul of our development tools and build >> processes. >> >> Next up is migrating to Qt 5 (required for modern accessibility support), >> which in and of itself is no simple matter. The current estimate for >> migrating to Qt 5 and adding accessibility support is on the order of four >> man months. >> >> Additionally, moving to this modern version of Qt will mean that new >> versions of the ILM and Experience will not be compatible with 10.6 Snow >> Leopard. Currently, about 15% of the user base are still using Snow Leopard. >> It's not possible to support two completely different code bases, so we will >> have to come up with a strategy to provide legacy OS support for some period >> while moving forward with Lion and above for all new versions. This adds to >> the complexity of rolling out accessibility. >> >> We currently have internal commitments to delivering our new 2.5 release >> this year in time for NAB. There are a number of new features in that >> release that are business critical to PACE and our customers. Unfortunately >> the engineers who are committed to the 2.5 release are the same people who >> are needed to imp
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
Hi Ricky, Heres what I've done when I need the flexibility of midi & being able to change drum kits later on. With my V-pro kit & td-20 module I take all 8 outputs from the td20 directly into audio tracks in pt & at the same time burn a midi track with the performance "take". When it comes time to mix in pt I then have the option of using the 8 audio drum tracks from the td-20 or change the drum sounds and just print again! HTH YMMV Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Ricky Prevatte wrote: > I am going to use my roland v drum module to do that with. I can play them > in real time and then mix the audio in ProTools. My Roland sounds are great > but I just do not have the control that logic and ProTools will allow. Your > suggestion will help even more thank you.g > > Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154 > >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >> The way I use Logic drums is to do all the sequencing in PT and dump the >> midi into logic. Select a producer kit, lock the tracks to audio, then >> bounce them out as multitrack. You’ll get about 12 files, 1 for each >> microphone. The new logic kits are absolutely fantastic and incredibly >> playable. >> Import those files into Pro Tools, and you can mix it like a real kit. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
I am going to use my roland v drum module to do that with. I can play them in real time and then mix the audio in ProTools. My Roland sounds are great but I just do not have the control that logic and ProTools will allow. Your suggestion will help even more thank you.g Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154 > On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > The way I use Logic drums is to do all the sequencing in PT and dump the midi > into logic. Select a producer kit, lock the tracks to audio, then bounce them > out as multitrack. You’ll get about 12 files, 1 for each microphone. The new > logic kits are absolutely fantastic and incredibly playable. > Import those files into Pro Tools, and you can mix it like a real kit. > > Hope this helps. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
On 1/31/15, TheOreoMonster wrote: > How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT > regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the > point where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. > Yes that process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where > that could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of > years in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling > began. It appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the > moment. > On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: > >> To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, >> Feel assured you are being heard. >> Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference >> to a complaint, >> Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility >> support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and >> been done with it ages ago.”” >> >> Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! >> When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid >> Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate >> time. >> In Avid’s case their were a thousand moving parts in the UI of the Ap, >> most of the accessibility issues were fixed in les than two months >> once it became a priority. >> Labeling some elements, and buttons should never take until October… >> >> We may disagree on how to get this done, >> but we agree it must be done… >> >> If we keep working the back channels we will achieve our desired results. >> In other words lets keep working. >> For some of you who may disagree or for other reasons just can’t, >> We will respect you. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
The way I use Logic drums is to do all the sequencing in PT and dump the midi into logic. Select a producer kit, lock the tracks to audio, then bounce them out as multitrack. You’ll get about 12 files, 1 for each microphone. The new logic kits are absolutely fantastic and incredibly playable. Import those files into Pro Tools, and you can mix it like a real kit. Hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: a response from Pace regarding the status of iLok accessibility
Well this is exactly what I figured. That is why I did not write the company. It is a level head that will prevail and the record shows that. Great work slau I understand everyone's need to have access to the lock.we will just have to wait I believe that the challenge avid sent out can serve us better in the long run.I would never send an email to any third party pertaining to ProTools that I did not include that letter with it.I really believe in a few years we will have major progress on the Mac side with many third-party providers and ProTools as well.I would make a suggestion for us to create ways to bring positive media attention to companies like avid help get them positive public relations a reward for what they are doing. Honey will bring much much more then vinegar.someone get that company in the news and tell how they are the pioneer like Apple and what it can do for the 70% of the blind of America that are out of work and other companies will jump on board. People love to feel good let's do something to help people feel good. And I promise we will gain even more quicklythen any of us could imagine. Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154 > On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > > As most of you know, I've kept a dialog going with Pace regarding iLok > License Manager accessibility. Some folks at Avid have been involved in these > discussions. At times, it's been frustrating to be patient and I've mentioned > the importance of maintaining good relations with developers. I personally > don't agree with recent calls for complaint against Pace. I believe it serves > to antagonize. I won't debate this point so don't bother trying to engage me > toward that end. regardless, as per my recent request for an official > statement from Allen cronce, president of Pace, I've received the following > communication which he encouraged me to share with the list. I've already > given him a quick thank you for acknowledgement and will give a proper > response first thing on Monday. > > Hi Slau, > > Thanks for your email. Sorry for my delayed response. I was tied up at the > NAMM show and follow up meetings in southern California earlier this week. > > I agree that it's taking a long time for PACE to provide accessibility > support. I also agree that we have not been communicative regarding our > progress. > > What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is simple > and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with it ages > ago. > > The fact of the matter is that there have been tremendous prerequisites in > our way before we can complete accessibility support in the iLok License > Manager and the Activation Experience. I don't want to bore you with the > software development details. Suffice it to say that we've worked through > about half of the prerequisites in the past quarter, which included a > complete modernization and overhaul of our development tools and build > processes. > > Next up is migrating to Qt 5 (required for modern accessibility support), > which in and of itself is no simple matter. The current estimate for > migrating to Qt 5 and adding accessibility support is on the order of four > man months. > > Additionally, moving to this modern version of Qt will mean that new versions > of the ILM and Experience will not be compatible with 10.6 Snow Leopard. > Currently, about 15% of the user base are still using Snow Leopard. It's not > possible to support two completely different code bases, so we will have to > come up with a strategy to provide legacy OS support for some period while > moving forward with Lion and above for all new versions. This adds to the > complexity of rolling out accessibility. > > We currently have internal commitments to delivering our new 2.5 release this > year in time for NAB. There are a number of new features in that release that > are business critical to PACE and our customers. Unfortunately the engineers > who are committed to the 2.5 release are the same people who are needed to > implement accessibility. Since we have limited resources, we cannot include > accessibility in the 2.5 release. > > So the current thinking is that we'll shoot for providing full accessibility > support in our 3.0 release. The hope is that we will deliver this in the New > York AES timeframe. I realize that that date is probably a disappointment for > you. But honestly I don't see how else we can fit this in. It's just too big > and too disruptive to try to force earlier. > > That having been said, I've been speaking with some of our engineers about > exploring whether or not some accessibility support could be delivered via > the older Qt 4 library that we're currently using. It appears that this older > Qt does have some embryonic accessibility support. We just don't know how bad > it is. > > So while we're marching towards the grand vision of moving to Qt 5 and ideal
RE: Superior Drummer with ProTools
I agree Scott. Toontrack products are fantastic! I used to work with them in Sonar but not mac yet. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:51 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools That would be at best a waste of your time. I can say for sure from my previous dialogues that the development team at Toontrack know what accessibility is, and they aren't fussed about supporting it. Whether that'll change as new blood trickles in, who knows, but right now don't expect effort on their part. Shame really, I like most of their products. On 1/30/15, Nick Gawronski wrote: > Hi, I would reply and explain what voice over is and point them at the > Apple accessibility site at http://www.apple.com/accessibility and you > could always try calling them on the phone. Nick Gawronski On > 1/30/2015 6:33 AM, John Gunn wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I know this is a little late but stay away from Superior Drummer. >> >> When contacting the company asking about if it is accessible with >> VoiceOver explaining about being a screen reader, the response I got >> back was voice commands are not supported. >> >> There is much I wanted to say in my reply but I thought I would be nice. >> >> John >> >> >>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Black wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, Has anyone ever use >>> Superior Drummer with Protools? >>> Is it accessible? I found a good deal from Sweet Water. It's >>> interesting. >>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SupDrum2?utm_source=gearnet&u >>> tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gn20150114 >>> Best, >>> Black >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Superior Drummer with ProTools
That's a good idea Nick. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Gawronski Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:11 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools Hi, I would reply and explain what voice over is and point them at the Apple accessibility site at http://www.apple.com/accessibility and you could always try calling them on the phone. Nick Gawronski On 1/30/2015 6:33 AM, John Gunn wrote: > Hello, > > I know this is a little late but stay away from Superior Drummer. > > When contacting the company asking about if it is accessible with VoiceOver > explaining about being a screen reader, the response I got back was voice > commands are not supported. > > There is much I wanted to say in my reply but I thought I would be nice. > > John > > >> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Black wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> Has anyone ever use Superior Drummer with Protools? >> Is it accessible? I found a good deal from Sweet Water. It’s interesting. >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SupDrum2?utm_source=gearnet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gn20150114 >> Best, >> Black >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
I plan to do my audio with ProTools I will do my midi things like drums through logic Pro X.Matt do you not use addictive drums? Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154 > On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:29 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote: > > We all had to learn, figure stuff out and ask questions at some point. As i > said i treat loops the same way i treat any other track audio. Thats the > beauty of it. So yes while we can’t see loop handles and drag them to extend > them with the mouse we can still select,copy and paste as many times as we > need the loop to extend. Also remember at the core Superior Drummer, Slate > drums and addictive drums and etc are samplers the companies ship with there > Multi Velocity Drum hits. If you can figure out how to get at the wav files, > or get a source of single hit libraries (and there are several out there) you > can still work with the stuff accessibly. Also plenty of Compressors,EQ’s, > and Reverbs etc out there that you don’t need to use the ones built into > those Drum Programmers. > > >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Krister Ekstrom >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Well i feel like the idiot i probably am when it comes to this. I have in >> the past built drum tracks or rather sequences using drum machines like the >> Yamaha RX15 and the like. Building it on computers though is something i’m >> very new at so that’s why i say i don’t understand much of it, if anything >> at all. If i were to build tracks using loops how would i go about it in PT >> since i can’t do like you do in Garageband and stretch loops over several >> bars. >> Once again sorry for asking such real newbyish and stupid questions. >> /Krister >> >>> 31 jan 2015 kl. 12:43 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>> >>> Not sure how to do what part in particular? Audio and rex loops are >>> generally just regular audio files you can import into a project and edit/ >>> manipulate like you can any other project audio. It’s advantage is it has >>> tempo data embedded in the file so getting it to snap to project tempo or >>> having the project adjust to its tempo is a bit easier to do. However i >>> will admit Pro Tools makes this a bit more of a hassle than every other DAW >>> on the market currently. Learning to build drum tracks in a sample with >>> single hits is just like using any other drum programming soft synth out >>> there. >>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi and excuse me for sounding like a whiner which i suppose i am at least in this question. I don’t really know how to do what you said in the message below. I would like to learn though but as i said i’m not at all sure how to do it and if i really can. /Krister > 30 jan 2015 kl. 19:11 skrev TheOreoMonster : > > There is also audio/REX loops. I mean providing you don't feel you are > cheating if you don't play/program every single last note/hit > yourself. With Dynamic Eq/Multi band compressors you can get 90% of > the way there of having full control over the mix. Panning is all you > really miss out on. That new Drum leveler plug in was made exactly to > address this need as well. Also many companies have multi track loops > as well so you still get the individual kit elements. Also Tons of > multi Volocity single hits drum libraries out there in high quality > wav so you can sequence right on the grid in the DAW or usin in any > accessible sampler. > >> On 1/30/15, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> It's much more usable on the PC, but with the help of Auto Hotkey and >> hotspot scripts. >> >> The windows are completely invisible on the mac side unfortunately. >> >> It's too bad. Superior is a fantastic plug. This is one of the many >> reasons >> I do all my composition on the PC side and dump audio into Pro Tools. >> You're probably better off buying strike, or buying logic pro X in order >> to >> use their kits if you want to remain solely on the mac side. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups
RE: Superior Drummer with ProTools
Thanks Kevin. I'm using it with Sonar. Is it really accessible in LogicX? I'm interested. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Reeves Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:11 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools It’s much more usable on the PC, but with the help of Auto Hotkey and hotspot scripts. The windows are completely invisible on the mac side unfortunately. It’s too bad. Superior is a fantastic plug. This is one of the many reasons I do all my composition on the PC side and dump audio into Pro Tools. You’re probably better off buying strike, or buying logic pro X in order to use their kits if you want to remain solely on the mac side. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
How quickly we forget. There was a fair amount of work that went into PT regarding modernizing and updating a lot of the code base to get to the point where all that was needed to be done was label elements and buttons. Yes that process went relatively quick once the Program got to a point where that could be done. If memory serves correct it was at least a couple of years in-between when initial processes started to when access labeling began. It appears we are in the same holding pattern with pace at the moment. On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mike Lockett wrote: > To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, > Feel assured you are being heard. > Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference > to a complaint, > Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility > support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and > been done with it ages ago.”” > > Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! > When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid > Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate > time. > In Avid’s case their were a thousand moving parts in the UI of the Ap, > most of the accessibility issues were fixed in les than two months > once it became a priority. > Labeling some elements, and buttons should never take until October… > > We may disagree on how to get this done, > but we agree it must be done… > > If we keep working the back channels we will achieve our desired results. > In other words lets keep working. > For some of you who may disagree or for other reasons just can’t, > We will respect you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Superior Drummer with ProTools
Thanks John. I'll try to contact to Toontrack again. But I don't think I'll get the anser better than you got. -Original Message- From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Gunn Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 7:33 PM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools Hello, I know this is a little late but stay away from Superior Drummer. When contacting the company asking about if it is accessible with VoiceOver explaining about being a screen reader, the response I got back was voice commands are not supported. There is much I wanted to say in my reply but I thought I would be nice. John > On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Black wrote: > > Hi all, Has anyone ever use Superior > Drummer with Protools? > Is it accessible? I found a good deal from Sweet Water. It’s interesting. > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SupDrum2?utm_source=gearnet&utm > _medium=email&utm_campaign=gn20150114 > Best, > Black > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Grin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Letter Update from Pace Anti-piracy
To everyone that sent a letter to the B-B-B or made a call to Pace, Feel assured you are being heard. Pace’s CEO E-O Allen Cornce in an email to Slau Halatyn made reference to a complaint, Quote, “What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with it ages ago.”” Personally I think its HOGWASH!!! When accessibility is taken seriously and made a priority Avid Technology is a perfect example things can get fix in an appropriate time. In Avid’s case their were a thousand moving parts in the UI of the Ap, most of the accessibility issues were fixed in les than two months once it became a priority. Labeling some elements, and buttons should never take until October… We may disagree on how to get this done, but we agree it must be done… If we keep working the back channels we will achieve our desired results. In other words lets keep working. For some of you who may disagree or for other reasons just can’t, We will respect you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
We all had to learn, figure stuff out and ask questions at some point. As i said i treat loops the same way i treat any other track audio. Thats the beauty of it. So yes while we can’t see loop handles and drag them to extend them with the mouse we can still select,copy and paste as many times as we need the loop to extend. Also remember at the core Superior Drummer, Slate drums and addictive drums and etc are samplers the companies ship with there Multi Velocity Drum hits. If you can figure out how to get at the wav files, or get a source of single hit libraries (and there are several out there) you can still work with the stuff accessibly. Also plenty of Compressors,EQ’s, and Reverbs etc out there that you don’t need to use the ones built into those Drum Programmers. On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > Well i feel like the idiot i probably am when it comes to this. I have in the > past built drum tracks or rather sequences using drum machines like the > Yamaha RX15 and the like. Building it on computers though is something i’m > very new at so that’s why i say i don’t understand much of it, if anything at > all. If i were to build tracks using loops how would i go about it in PT > since i can’t do like you do in Garageband and stretch loops over several > bars. > Once again sorry for asking such real newbyish and stupid questions. > /Krister > >> 31 jan 2015 kl. 12:43 skrev TheOreoMonster : >> >> Not sure how to do what part in particular? Audio and rex loops are >> generally just regular audio files you can import into a project and edit/ >> manipulate like you can any other project audio. It’s advantage is it has >> tempo data embedded in the file so getting it to snap to project tempo or >> having the project adjust to its tempo is a bit easier to do. However i will >> admit Pro Tools makes this a bit more of a hassle than every other DAW on >> the market currently. Learning to build drum tracks in a sample with single >> hits is just like using any other drum programming soft synth out there. >> >> On Jan 30, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom >> wrote: >> >>> Hi and excuse me for sounding like a whiner which i suppose i am at least >>> in this question. I don’t really know how to do what you said in the >>> message below. I would like to learn though but as i said i’m not at all >>> sure how to do it and if i really can. >>> /Krister >>> 30 jan 2015 kl. 19:11 skrev TheOreoMonster : There is also audio/REX loops. I mean providing you don't feel you are cheating if you don't play/program every single last note/hit yourself. With Dynamic Eq/Multi band compressors you can get 90% of the way there of having full control over the mix. Panning is all you really miss out on. That new Drum leveler plug in was made exactly to address this need as well. Also many companies have multi track loops as well so you still get the individual kit elements. Also Tons of multi Volocity single hits drum libraries out there in high quality wav so you can sequence right on the grid in the DAW or usin in any accessible sampler. On 1/30/15, Kevin Reeves wrote: > It's much more usable on the PC, but with the help of Auto Hotkey and > hotspot scripts. > > The windows are completely invisible on the mac side unfortunately. > > It's too bad. Superior is a fantastic plug. This is one of the many > reasons > I do all my composition on the PC side and dump audio into Pro Tools. > You're probably better off buying strike, or buying logic pro X in order > to > use their kits if you want to remain solely on the mac side. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
Hi, Well i feel like the idiot i probably am when it comes to this. I have in the past built drum tracks or rather sequences using drum machines like the Yamaha RX15 and the like. Building it on computers though is something i’m very new at so that’s why i say i don’t understand much of it, if anything at all. If i were to build tracks using loops how would i go about it in PT since i can’t do like you do in Garageband and stretch loops over several bars. Once again sorry for asking such real newbyish and stupid questions. /Krister > 31 jan 2015 kl. 12:43 skrev TheOreoMonster : > > Not sure how to do what part in particular? Audio and rex loops are generally > just regular audio files you can import into a project and edit/ manipulate > like you can any other project audio. It’s advantage is it has tempo data > embedded in the file so getting it to snap to project tempo or having the > project adjust to its tempo is a bit easier to do. However i will admit Pro > Tools makes this a bit more of a hassle than every other DAW on the market > currently. Learning to build drum tracks in a sample with single hits is just > like using any other drum programming soft synth out there. > > On Jan 30, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom > wrote: > >> Hi and excuse me for sounding like a whiner which i suppose i am at least in >> this question. I don’t really know how to do what you said in the message >> below. I would like to learn though but as i said i’m not at all sure how to >> do it and if i really can. >> /Krister >> >>> 30 jan 2015 kl. 19:11 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>> >>> There is also audio/REX loops. I mean providing you don't feel you are >>> cheating if you don't play/program every single last note/hit >>> yourself. With Dynamic Eq/Multi band compressors you can get 90% of >>> the way there of having full control over the mix. Panning is all you >>> really miss out on. That new Drum leveler plug in was made exactly to >>> address this need as well. Also many companies have multi track loops >>> as well so you still get the individual kit elements. Also Tons of >>> multi Volocity single hits drum libraries out there in high quality >>> wav so you can sequence right on the grid in the DAW or usin in any >>> accessible sampler. >>> >>> On 1/30/15, Kevin Reeves wrote: It's much more usable on the PC, but with the help of Auto Hotkey and hotspot scripts. The windows are completely invisible on the mac side unfortunately. It's too bad. Superior is a fantastic plug. This is one of the many reasons I do all my composition on the PC side and dump audio into Pro Tools. You're probably better off buying strike, or buying logic pro X in order to use their kits if you want to remain solely on the mac side. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
Not sure how to do what part in particular? Audio and rex loops are generally just regular audio files you can import into a project and edit/ manipulate like you can any other project audio. It’s advantage is it has tempo data embedded in the file so getting it to snap to project tempo or having the project adjust to its tempo is a bit easier to do. However i will admit Pro Tools makes this a bit more of a hassle than every other DAW on the market currently. Learning to build drum tracks in a sample with single hits is just like using any other drum programming soft synth out there. On Jan 30, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi and excuse me for sounding like a whiner which i suppose i am at least in > this question. I don’t really know how to do what you said in the message > below. I would like to learn though but as i said i’m not at all sure how to > do it and if i really can. > /Krister > >> 30 jan 2015 kl. 19:11 skrev TheOreoMonster : >> >> There is also audio/REX loops. I mean providing you don't feel you are >> cheating if you don't play/program every single last note/hit >> yourself. With Dynamic Eq/Multi band compressors you can get 90% of >> the way there of having full control over the mix. Panning is all you >> really miss out on. That new Drum leveler plug in was made exactly to >> address this need as well. Also many companies have multi track loops >> as well so you still get the individual kit elements. Also Tons of >> multi Volocity single hits drum libraries out there in high quality >> wav so you can sequence right on the grid in the DAW or usin in any >> accessible sampler. >> >> On 1/30/15, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>> It's much more usable on the PC, but with the help of Auto Hotkey and >>> hotspot scripts. >>> >>> The windows are completely invisible on the mac side unfortunately. >>> >>> It's too bad. Superior is a fantastic plug. This is one of the many reasons >>> I do all my composition on the PC side and dump audio into Pro Tools. >>> You're probably better off buying strike, or buying logic pro X in order to >>> use their kits if you want to remain solely on the mac side. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Superior Drummer with ProTools
That would be at best a waste of your time. I can say for sure from my previous dialogues that the development team at Toontrack know what accessibility is, and they aren't fussed about supporting it. Whether that'll change as new blood trickles in, who knows, but right now don't expect effort on their part. Shame really, I like most of their products. On 1/30/15, Nick Gawronski wrote: > Hi, I would reply and explain what voice over is and point them at the > Apple accessibility site at http://www.apple.com/accessibility and you > could always try calling them on the phone. Nick Gawronski > On 1/30/2015 6:33 AM, John Gunn wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I know this is a little late but stay away from Superior Drummer. >> >> When contacting the company asking about if it is accessible with >> VoiceOver explaining about being a screen reader, the response I got back >> was voice commands are not supported. >> >> There is much I wanted to say in my reply but I thought I would be nice. >> >> John >> >> >>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Black wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Has anyone ever use Superior Drummer with Protools? >>> Is it accessible? I found a good deal from Sweet Water. It's >>> interesting. >>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SupDrum2?utm_source=gearnet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gn20150114 >>> Best, >>> Black >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: a response from Pace regarding the status of iLok accessibility
Well, a speculative date and some detail is more than we had previously, and to be blunt, it's more than complaints would have gotten us. Thanks for passing this along and keeping the dialogue alive. If nothing else, I believe that it is on the radar of their engineers ahead of time, a good sign. I'm politely skeptical that those third party in app purchase style activations will be a good thing for accessibility longterm, but perhaps Pace could see their way to providing some recommendations/encouragement to that end as part of the SDK once their own software is usable again? Cheers for the legwork Slau, it's good to know that we're remembered even if we're not getting what we'd like over night. Scott On 1/31/15, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hey Slau: > > Thanks much for your work that you've done on this issue: you're an > exceptional person. > > Again, thanks all over the place. > > > > -Original Message- > From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Slau Halatyn > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:25 PM > To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com > Subject: a response from Pace regarding the status of iLok accessibility > > As most of you know, I've kept a dialog going with Pace regarding iLok > License Manager accessibility. Some folks at Avid have been involved in > these discussions. At times, it's been frustrating to be patient and I've > mentioned the importance of maintaining good relations with developers. I > personally don't agree with recent calls for complaint against Pace. I > believe it serves to antagonize. I won't debate this point so don't bother > trying to engage me toward that end. regardless, as per my recent request > for an official statement from Allen cronce, president of Pace, I've > received the following communication which he encouraged me to share with > the list. I've already given him a quick thank you for acknowledgement and > will give a proper response first thing on Monday. > > Hi Slau, > > Thanks for your email. Sorry for my delayed response. I was tied up at the > NAMM show and follow up meetings in southern California earlier this week. > > I agree that it's taking a long time for PACE to provide accessibility > support. I also agree that we have not been communicative regarding our > progress. > > What I don't agree with is the assertion that accessibility support is > simple and easy. If it was, we would have rolled it out and been done with > it ages ago. > > The fact of the matter is that there have been tremendous prerequisites in > our way before we can complete accessibility support in the iLok License > Manager and the Activation Experience. I don't want to bore you with the > software development details. Suffice it to say that we've worked through > about half of the prerequisites in the past quarter, which included a > complete modernization and overhaul of our development tools and build > processes. > > Next up is migrating to Qt 5 (required for modern accessibility support), > which in and of itself is no simple matter. The current estimate for > migrating to Qt 5 and adding accessibility support is on the order of four > man months. > > Additionally, moving to this modern version of Qt will mean that new > versions of the ILM and Experience will not be compatible with 10.6 Snow > Leopard. Currently, about 15% of the user base are still using Snow Leopard. > It's not possible to support two completely different code bases, so we will > have to come up with a strategy to provide legacy OS support for some period > while moving forward with Lion and above for all new versions. This adds to > the complexity of rolling out accessibility. > > We currently have internal commitments to delivering our new 2.5 release > this year in time for NAB. There are a number of new features in that > release that are business critical to PACE and our customers. Unfortunately > the engineers who are committed to the 2.5 release are the same people who > are needed to implement accessibility. Since we have limited resources, we > cannot include accessibility in the 2.5 release. > > So the current thinking is that we'll shoot for providing full accessibility > support in our 3.0 release. The hope is that we will deliver this in the New > York AES timeframe. I realize that that date is probably a disappointment > for you. But honestly I don't see how else we can fit this in. It's just too > big and too disruptive to try to force earlier. > > That having been said, I've been speaking with some of our engineers about > exploring whether or not some accessibility support could be delivered via > the older Qt 4 library that we're currently using. It appears that this > older Qt does have some embryonic accessibility support. We just don't know > how bad it is. > > So while we're marching towards the grand vision of moving to Qt 5 and ideal > accessibility, we've started a skunkworks project to see if we can provide > some level of accessibility e
