Re: Pro Tools Accessibility for pupils who are severely sight impaired

[Jes]

I was going to ask the same thing. And by the way, I would not recommend using 
it on windows either.

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> On Aug 3, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> 
> You care to define what you mean by "my unique candor?"
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> - Original Message -
> From: TheOreoMonster
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Pro Tools Accessibility for pupils who are severely sight 
> impaired
> 
> Hello,
> 
> While Christopher makes some valid points, all be it in his unique candor, I 
> will say if the work around is using screen magnification in the short term, 
> Why not just use zoom on the Mac instead of setting up a windows system just 
> for this student? There was at one point a zoom text product for the Mac as 
> well, not sure if its still available or not though. But yes learning 
> VoiceOver will be the best long term solution.
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Paul,
>>  
>> I highly discourage very very strongly this approach.
>>  
>> The biggest reason being, most studios will be using a mac, not Windows. 
>> Plus, on top of that, let's look at this from two other angles.
>>  
>> Firstly, what if the students later in life lose their vision entirely. I 
>> can't tell you how many times I've seen blind individuals have this problem 
>> later in life. Now, what good is magnifying the screen going to do with 
>> Supernova? Though it may be fine now, down the road, if their site 
>> deteriorates even further, then, you're... well... excuse the language... 
>> screwed.
>> Some students, may find that after looking at the screen for a long period 
>> of time in such detail develop neurological headaches, if not migraines from 
>> straining their eyes for a long time. Again, trust me! It can, and does, 
>> often happen.
>> ProTools on Windows is totally inaccessible, and I doubt it ever will be, 
>> based on Avid's current mission. This said,in combination with the 
>> fact that most studios, no, not all, I'll admit, but most, will use ProTools 
>> on mac systems, what now happens if a student goes into a studio to 
>> track/mix/master, and all a sudden, are told, you need to mix this yourself 
>> with our rig, and we use a mac in the control room. Now, you're stuck! 
>> Supernova won't run on a mac, nor will JAWS, NVDA, or anything. And, even if 
>> it did, again, ProTools isn't accessible on Windows, so, there went the idea 
>> of asking for that accomidation be made by the studio staff.
>>  
>> Honestly, I know you probably have no say over who wrote/designs the student 
>> coriculum, but honestly, I'd take one semester to learn Voiceover. Then, 
>> take the second semester to then focus on ProTool. I get you may then not 
>> have enough time to cover ProTools entirely. That's why then you might have 
>> to break it up into several semesters.
>>  
>> Ultimately though, it's going to be paramount that they learn Voiceover. I 
>> didn't say they need to know it in and out to the point of being a Voiceover 
>> champian whiz, but they need to at least know it enough to where they could 
>> turn off the screen, and use Voiceover to navigate. If their vision is that 
>> bad as you say, then this needs to be incorporated.
>>  
>> Point blank.
>>  
>> If they had more vision, then that would be different, but...
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Learning ProTools.

[Jes]

Yes, Chris would be great at teaching you!


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> On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> Terry, I've been trying to call you. Have you not been getting my voicemails?
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> - Original Message -
> From: Terry Nord
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 7:54 PM
> Subject: Learning ProTools.
> 
> Hi everybody,
> I'm trying to learn ProTools and I need someone to work with that will teach 
> me the basics. Hours would be flexible and this would be a paid venture. 
> Please contact me privately. I want the training to be done on the phone. I 
> do not really care for emailing back-and-forth. So much more can be said in 
> person. Thanks
> 
> Terry Nord
>  Ask me about healthy chocolate! 
> Yes, there is such a thing and it's good to! 
> ternor...@gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:22 PM, TheOreoMonster  wrote:
> 
> The Focusrite control software isn’t accessible but Focusrite support will 
> remote into your system and set it up for you and and can save some presets 
> that you can load independently  if needed. Also the iOS app is accessible 
> when I tried it with my Clarret 8PreX, however once again you will need eyes 
> to pair the app on iOS to the Desktop app since the desktop app isn’t 
> accessible. Both your computer and the iOS device will have to be on the same 
> Wi-Fi network to pair them. Also FocusRite support can remote in and help you 
> pair the iOS app as well. The Clarrets are the best bang for the buck in  the 
> premium interface side of things right now in my opinion. 
> 
> > On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > I’m in the market for a new small and portable interface. I looked at 
> > Focusrite’s Scarlett range right away since I’ve always liked Focusrite and 
> > I had only good service from my Focusrite interfaces before. But then I saw 
> > the Clarett interfaces are not at all badly priced.
> > 
> > Now the magic question, have anyone tried the control software and is it 
> > accessible? From the looks of it there are certain things which can only be 
> > adjusted in the control software. Also what about the iOS app, anyone tried 
> > that?
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Re: A quick question about air gigs job search

[Jes]

I know Chuck. Just joking around.


> On Jul 25, 2017, at 2:11 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jes,
> That wouldn't be realistic! ;)
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Jes wrote:
>> 
>> What about standing on top of a piano while controlling faders?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:34 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> Long time no talk! :)
>>> Could we get Him playing a GT while riding,  & wirelessly recording in to 
>>> Pro Tools?
>>> that would grab some attention!
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you really want to stand out, I'd be happy to send over a pretty
>>>> good photoshopped pic of Vladimir Putin riding a bear through a lake.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with the search man :)
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/25/17, TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If you have no faders then go for hand s on the keys.
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> perhaps a pic of you with hands on the faders, in front of the monitors
>>>>>> etc.? People like seeing gear for some reason. :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 07:40 AM 7/25/2017, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> So, I am a pianist/keyboardist, and I have listed my skills on airgigs.
>>>>>>> In addition, I also do audio editing of spoken word as well as mixing.
>>>>>>> What might be a good and appropriate picture to display on that airgigs
>>>>>>> listing for audio editor/mixer?
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jes
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>>>>>> cats."
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Re: A quick question about air gigs job search

[Jes]

What about standing on top of a piano while controlling faders?


> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:34 PM, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> Long time no talk! :)
> Could we get Him playing a GT while riding,  & wirelessly recording in to Pro 
> Tools?
> that would grab some attention!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> 
>> If you really want to stand out, I'd be happy to send over a pretty
>> good photoshopped pic of Vladimir Putin riding a bear through a lake.
>> 
>> Good luck with the search man :)
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On 7/25/17, TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If you have no faders then go for hand s on the keys.
>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> perhaps a pic of you with hands on the faders, in front of the monitors
>>>> etc.? People like seeing gear for some reason. :)
>>>> 
>>>> At 07:40 AM 7/25/2017, you wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> So, I am a pianist/keyboardist, and I have listed my skills on airgigs.
>>>>> In addition, I also do audio editing of spoken word as well as mixing.
>>>>> What might be a good and appropriate picture to display on that airgigs
>>>>> listing for audio editor/mixer?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jes
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> - Albert Schweitzer
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A quick question about air gigs job search

[Jes]

Hi all,
So, I am a pianist/keyboardist, and I have listed my skills on airgigs. 
In addition, I also do audio editing of spoken word as well as mixing. 
What might be a good and appropriate picture to display on that airgigs 
listing for audio editor/mixer?

Thanks.

Jes

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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Jes]

Chris, anybody that tells you they will get a place in the record Hall of Fame 
in three months has no idea what they are talking about. 99% of artists are not 
famous, nor are they rich, they literally are starving. These days, music alone 
does not provide enough money to put food on the table. I have heard people say 
exactly the same thing, that they will get a place in the record business. They 
won't. Nine times out of 10, I guarantee you they will fail to achieve their 
goals. Am I right, guys? They are doing this for the wrong reason. It is not 
advantageous these days to have a record deal anyway as a lot of the time, you 
lose creative control of your product. Labels are only interested in you making 
money for them, and if you can't do that, they will drop you. If anybody wants 
to correct me on any of these points, feel free to do so..

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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> 
> And that's just it. He doesn't! wanna do this for fun. He keeps swearing he's 
> gonna get a place in the record hall of fame. I'm not using that term 
> figuratively. He's literally made me that swear that by this time in 3 
> months, he thinks he'll be there.
>  
> He's just very very stubborn. I don't wanna be rude  about it, but... and 
> BTW, no, he's not on this list, so, we're safe, and I know that for a fact.
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> From: TheOreoMonster
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?
> 
> I’d say point out the things you did here, without being negative or saying 
> you suck. Something like your vocals are off key and that they should 
> consider collaborating with vocalist. You can also explain that to your more 
> experienced ears it sounds over compressed and muddy or etc. No need to get 
> into the technical details you got into in your email as it sounds like he 
> isn’t to a experience level with productions  where that would mean much to 
> him yet. The thing is if they are doing this for fun and to keep themselves 
> busy, then its up to them if they work on getting better or not. If they 
> wants to get to a point where they wants to do this professionally however, 
> then they’d need to  consider more experienced opinions at some point. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
>> it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
>>  
>> He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
>>  
>> First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
>> well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's 
>> more truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
>>  
>> Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
>> meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
>>  
>> On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
>> like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone 
>> bleedover, so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the 
>> karaoke track he used.
>>  
>> When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
>> he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
>>  
>> On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
>> plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
>> threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
>> shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
>> reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
>>  
>> Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.
>>  
>> When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
>> opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
>> negatively effected the mix.
>>  
>> This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've 
>> I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
>> F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
>> this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. 
>> OK, who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at 
>> least I listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've 
>> improved as much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any 
>> advice I nor anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked 
>> me as a friend to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a 
>> client.
>>  
>> So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more 

Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Jes]

Agreed. Or you could act like you never heard the track.
There really is no easy way to tell somebody they are not cut out for a job, 
especially one in music. So you got to give it straight. If you don't, trust 
me, a somebody will.

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> I would stop working with him altogether. I would just say that due to 
> artistic differences or whatever, it's not a good collaborative relationship. 
> I personally don't have time to change diapers or deal with emotional issues 
> when it comes to business like this.
> It's nothing personal, it's just business. Your time is valuable. It should 
> be spent making music, not trying to smooth over bruised egos.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
>> it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
>>  
>> He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
>>  
>> First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
>> well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's 
>> more truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
>>  
>> Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
>> meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
>>  
>> On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
>> like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone 
>> bleedover, so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the 
>> karaoke track he used.
>>  
>> When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
>> he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
>>  
>> On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
>> plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
>> threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
>> shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
>> reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
>>  
>> Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ  by about 5 DB.
>>  
>> When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
>> opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
>> negatively effected the mix.
>>  
>> This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've 
>> I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
>> F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
>> this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. 
>> OK, who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at 
>> least I listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've 
>> improved as much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any 
>> advice I nor anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked 
>> me as a friend to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a 
>> client.
>>  
>> So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
>> say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
>>  
>> Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
>> who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
>> it. They just didn't have what it would take.
>>  
>> How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
>> second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
>> think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
>> just can't! What do I do!
>>  
>> Chris.
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New to the list with a few questions

[Jes]

Hi list,
I currently use Reaper but have thought of learning Pro Tools. Why is it better 
to switch to PT and abandon Reaper? Why do so many people in the audio 
professional world look down ondaws like logic, reaper, and insist that 
ProTools is the best?
What makes ProTools the industry standard, and why is it that you all use 
ProTools?
Why won't reaper or any daw ever replace ProTools? Thanks for your time.
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