XBL2 CR and the Sept 2010 version of XBL [Was: Re: Comments on proposed editor's draft of XBL2 from Forms WG]
Hi All, In case you haven't followed this thread (started at [HEAD]), my extremely short summary is: 1. Hixie, based on discussions with David Hyatt, Tab Atkins and perhaps some others, created a new Editor's Draft (ED) of XBL2 [XBL-Sep-2010] that defines the XBL language as part of HTML (rather than defining its own namespace) and removes a number of XBL2 features to lower the initial implementation cost, so that we can get some traction, and then we can add the features back in afterwards to get it back to where we were before (Hixie). (See [DIFFS] for a summary of the changes.) 2. The Forms community would like to see XBL2 - as defined in the 2007 CR [XBL2-CR] - continued, since Leigh noted XBL2 is being used by XForms implementators and XForms users at the authoring level. (See [LEIGH] for details.) Ideally, the W3C would only progress one Binding Language on the Recommendation track. However, given the implementations by the Forms community and some Browser vendors not implementing the XBL2 CR because of the reasons Hixie mentioned, a single spec may not be able to satisfy all interests. As such, perhaps a way forward is to: a. Keep the XBL2 CR on the REC track and put the burden of satisfying the CR exit criteria (e.g. test suite creation) on those that support it; and b. Assuming there is reasonable interest in implementing the Sep 2010 ED of XBL, push it as a new spec on the REC track (i.e. something with a shortname other than xbl). [At the risk of ratholing on names, Web XBL is an option as is Web BL since (as Leigh pointed out), there is no XML in [XBL-Sep-2010].] Would the [XBL2-CR] proponents please provide their level of interest in moving that spec forward? In particular, are you willing to create the test suite necessary to exit CR? Would the [XBL-Sep-2010] proponents indicate their level of interest in moving that ED forward, in particular, information about implementation plans? Feedback, as always, is welcome. -Art Barstow [HEAD] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0675.html [XBL-Sep-2010] http://dev.w3.org/2006/xbl2/ [XBL2-CR] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-xbl-20070316/ [LEIGH] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/1008.html [DIFFS] http://dev.w3.org/2006/xbl2/Overview.html#editors-note
[widgets] Draft minutes from 7 October 2010 voice conf
The draft minutes from the October 7 Widgets voice conference are available at the following and copied below: http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-webapps mail list before October 21 (the next Widgets voice conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered Approved. -Art Barstow [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Widgets Voice Conference 07 Oct 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0051.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-irc Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Robin_Berjon, Steven_Pemberton, Marcos_Caceres Regrets Chair Art Scribe Art Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Review and tweak agenda 2. [6]Announcements 3. [7]Widget Interface spec 4. [8]widget: URI scheme 5. [9]AOB * [10]Summary of Action Items _ scribe ScribeNick: ArtB scribe Scribe: Art Review and tweak agenda AB: a draft agenda was submitted yesterday ( [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/00 51.html ). Any change requests? [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0051.html Announcements AB: October 26 is the deadline for comments re October 5 LCWD of Widget Packaging and Configuration ( [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-widgets-20101005/ ) ... TPAC: widgets group will not meet; registration after October 22 results in increased registration fee ( [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration ) [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-widgets-20101005/ [13] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration Widget Interface spec AB: Addison Philips submitted a comment against the 7-Sep-2010 LCWD ( [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/07 28.html ) and it raises the issues about how a developer can determine the locale and direction for the span-able properties. ... Marcos submitted a proposal to address the issues ( [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/00 33.html ). ... so far, I don't think anyone has responded to MC's proposal [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0728.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0033.html MC: yes, that's correct AB: not clear if directionality needs to be an explicit part of the API or if the spec can punt on that as suggested by Marcos f.ex. by following ( [16]http://www.iamcal.com/understanding-bidirectional-text/ ) [16] http://www.iamcal.com/understanding-bidirectional-text/ MC: I think the API needs some type of extension ... eg. the Localizeable DOM String ... to add language ... thus getters can work Marcos eg. widget.name.lang AB: that part seems straight-forward MC: the algorithm can be written in JS ... don't think we should deal with that at the API level AB: so you think the directionality is out of scope for the API ... i.e. is handled by some layer above the API ... is that correct? MC: yes AB: anyone else have input on this issue? SP: think we need to hear from the I18N WG RB: yes, I agree ... don't think directionality should be part of the API ... for example, it should definitely not be settable scribe ACTION: barstow ask the I18N WG to respond to Marcos' proposal for Interface locale and directionality [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html#action01] trackbot Created ACTION-588 - Ask the I18N WG to respond to Marcos' proposal for Interface locale and directionality [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-10-14]. AB: I'm becoming increasingly concerned the bidi model in PC is overly complicated for a Level 1 spec. Could greatly simplify everything by dropping span and just defining the dir attribute for the span-able elements. Any additional info that is needed can be accessed via indirection i.e. include a URI in the metadata. MC: in Opera we haven't had any problems implementing it ... it is quite simple to process AB: the use cases we see for these span-able elements is quite limited ... e.g. just to display the name of a widget in a home screen ... or the description is displayed by a widget store MC: I did a whole lot of research for this Marcos reseach was [18]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/i18n.html [18] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/i18n.html AB: I realize there are use cases for lots of embedded spans with different directions ... but for a L1 spec we want wide deployement, it seems rather complicated ... the other concern I
CfC: publish a new WD of Progress Events; deadline October 14
Anne and Chaals suggested WebApps publish a new Working Draft of Progress Events so this is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to do so: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ If you have any comments or concerns about this proposal, please send them to public-webapps by October 14 at the latest. As with all of our CfCs, positive response is preferred and encouraged and silence will be assumed to be assent. -Art Barstow
Fwd: Re: CfC: publish a new WD of Progress Events; deadline October 14
Below is a +1 below from Jonas (fwd'ed here with his permission). I'll add +1 too. Original Message Subject:Re: CfC: publish a new WD of Progress Events; deadline October 14 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:59:59 +0200 From: ext Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc To: Barstow Art (Nokia-CIC/Boston) art.bars...@nokia.com I agree to this. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Anne and Chaals suggested WebApps publish a new Working Draft of Progress Events so this is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to do so: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ If you have any comments or concerns about this proposal, please send them to public-webapps by October 14 at the latest. As with all of our CfCs, positive response is preferred and encouraged and silence will be assumed to be assent. -Art Barstow
[Bug 10896] enable device independent access to event handlers
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10896 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added CC||i...@hixie.ch, ||public-webapps@w3.org Component|pre-LC1 HTML5 spec (editor: |DOM3 Events |Ian Hickson)| AssignedTo|i...@hixie.ch|schep...@w3.org Product|HTML WG |WebAppsWG Target Milestone|LC |--- QAContact|public-html-bugzi...@w3.org |member-webapi-...@w3.org --- Comment #2 from Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch 2010-10-07 21:45:07 UTC --- Reassigning to DOM Events, since this doesn't seem to be HTML-specific. Doug: Feel free to reassign back to me if you think this should be dealt with at the HTML level. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug.
Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: publish a new WD of Progress Events; deadline October 14
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:13:22 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Below is a +1 below from Jonas (fwd'ed here with his permission). I'll add +1 too. Likewise Opera supports this. cheers Original Message Subject: Re: CfC: publish a new WD of Progress Events; deadline October 14 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:59:59 +0200 From: ext Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc To: Barstow Art (Nokia-CIC/Boston) art.bars...@nokia.com I agree to this. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Anne and Chaals suggested WebApps publish a new Working Draft of Progress Events so this is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to do so: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ If you have any comments or concerns about this proposal, please send them to public-webapps by October 14 at the latest. As with all of our CfCs, positive response is preferred and encouraged and silence will be assumed to be assent. -Art Barstow -- Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
