Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
But it hurt my eyes each time I see it ... Suggestions? Install your whole Puppet stack, from Ruby through Puppet to Puppet DB, via your distro's native package management system. PuppetLabs hosts package repositories for many current systems, including, I think, Ubuntu 12.04. But be sure to avoid having the same thing installed as gem and native package. I concur with John, we recommend not using the gem at all for Puppet. I think the main reason we have to keep publishing the gem for puppet is for testing and development (like rspec-puppet testing for example). But internally I know there is some dislike from our devs around the gem way of installing puppet, because Puppet isn't just a library in the conventional sense (its an app) and all the other artifacts such as configuration files and service scripts can't be contained in a gem for clean installation. Its another thing that can go wrong basically, and when you're helping community users with custom stuff you can waste a lot of time just in determining environmental differences, not to mention we can never truly do automated testing for everyones custom setups so the guarantees and confidence here can only be lower .. so it becomes a slight pain for everyone :-). On another note, gems require compilation steps - that is, any C extensions etc. require compilation during installation. This is less than desirable (unless you use gentoo :-) for a lot of shops to do due to the tooling requirements needed, its flakiness, reduced determinism ... and not only that its much slower than installing a package with just binaries. Also the upstream rubygems.org is flaky, so you always need your own mirror (if you want reliability anyway). I guess our expectations are that people who insist on using the gem method, can support it themselves without help since its an advanced thing and is usually only done for a specific reason, since as John says - we provide packaging for the common recommended path. Either way, I'm still offering the ability to build a gem here from the Gemfile we provide in source, I guess you missed my comment before about that: ...but if you insist, someone has provided a gemspec in our source tree, that you can build a gem from: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetdb/blob/master/Gemfile; And this can probably be hosted in a local gem mirror. If you're going down the rubygems route for installation for your production environment you'll need a mirror like this anyway since rubygems.org can be flakey (we see it break all the time in our testing environments) ... I guess my point is if you're going to insist on doing gems, do it properly. ken. ps. of course if we had enough demand I'd totally consider supporting gems, I'm a pragmatist don't get me wrong - just that up until now no-one has convinced me its worth the effort, we're a small team as well for puppetdb ... every decision around new action counts :-). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/CAE4bNTnmZ326VyG7ogAMwyqfZAih6EDw5Mx5Ntc2%3Dkp8VqO0gQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
I've always used distribution packages, but now I need to use
puppet_decrypt which is not supported by ruby 1.8.7
Quick question though... I've been looking in the documentation and I
haven't found any note stating that installing puppet through gem is not
recommended, neither using ruby 1.8.7
RVM is just a wrapper to install ruby, so let just forget about it...
Unfortunatelly ruby 2.0 is not available on Ubuntu 12.04 , so is either
using rvm or compile it myself
Apart from that, bundlling puppetdb-terminus in a gem should be really easy
and would allow full flexibility to be installed along puppet as gem on
distributions where there are no packages available.
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:34 PM UTC+1, jcbollinger wrote:
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, JuanBrein wrote:
I see, it is a gap in the installation though...
For a non-recommended installation path.
I mean you can install ruby through RVM,
... but you shouldn't ...
then puppet as a gem,
... but you shouldn't ...
but you can't install puppetdb-terminus
... which is but one reason why not to do that.
so you can't use it with puppetdb...
I did a quick:
Rvm_gem|| - exec { Install puppetdb-terminus:
command = mkdir util/puppetdb;dpkg -L puppetdb-terminus|grep
rb|while read a;do cp $a `echo $a|cut -d'/' -f7-`;done,
cwd =
/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451/gems/puppet-3.3.2/lib/puppet,
path= /usr/bin:/bin,
refreshonly = true,
subscribe = Package['puppetdb-terminus'],
}
But it hurt my eyes each time I see it ...
Suggestions?
Install your whole Puppet stack, from Ruby through Puppet to Puppet DB,
via your distro's native package management system. PuppetLabs hosts
package repositories for many current systems, including, I think, Ubuntu
12.04. But be sure to avoid having the same thing installed as gem and
native package.
John
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Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
Ignore this last one, I wrote it at the same time you wrote your comment...
I understand and it makes sense.
Thanks for your help and I'll evaluate the strategy... I still need
puppet_decrypt so I really need to figure how to integrate ruby 2.0.0 on
ubutu 12.04 plus puppet. We use RVM for the rest of our ruby apps and
that's why I thought on using it , but I see the cons as well.
Thanks for all your help!
On Friday, June 6, 2014 11:05:15 AM UTC+1, JuanBrein wrote:
I've always used distribution packages, but now I need to use
puppet_decrypt which is not supported by ruby 1.8.7
Quick question though... I've been looking in the documentation and I
haven't found any note stating that installing puppet through gem is not
recommended, neither using ruby 1.8.7
RVM is just a wrapper to install ruby, so let just forget about it...
Unfortunatelly ruby 2.0 is not available on Ubuntu 12.04 , so is either
using rvm or compile it myself
Apart from that, bundlling puppetdb-terminus in a gem should be really
easy and would allow full flexibility to be installed along puppet as gem
on distributions where there are no packages available.
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:34 PM UTC+1, jcbollinger wrote:
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, JuanBrein wrote:
I see, it is a gap in the installation though...
For a non-recommended installation path.
I mean you can install ruby through RVM,
... but you shouldn't ...
then puppet as a gem,
... but you shouldn't ...
but you can't install puppetdb-terminus
... which is but one reason why not to do that.
so you can't use it with puppetdb...
I did a quick:
Rvm_gem|| - exec { Install puppetdb-terminus:
command = mkdir util/puppetdb;dpkg -L puppetdb-terminus|grep
rb|while read a;do cp $a `echo $a|cut -d'/' -f7-`;done,
cwd =
/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451/gems/puppet-3.3.2/lib/puppet,
path= /usr/bin:/bin,
refreshonly = true,
subscribe = Package['puppetdb-terminus'],
}
But it hurt my eyes each time I see it ...
Suggestions?
Install your whole Puppet stack, from Ruby through Puppet to Puppet DB,
via your distro's native package management system. PuppetLabs hosts
package repositories for many current systems, including, I think, Ubuntu
12.04. But be sure to avoid having the same thing installed as gem and
native package.
John
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Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
Ignore this last one, I wrote it at the same time you wrote your comment... I understand and it makes sense. Thanks for your help and I'll evaluate the strategy... I still need puppet_decrypt so I really need to figure how to integrate ruby 2.0.0 on ubutu 12.04 plus puppet. We use RVM for the rest of our ruby apps and that's why I thought on using it , but I see the cons as well. And I think we've come to the heart of it ... 1 tool/library (out of many that are fine?) is forcing your hand to do something strange. Is it worth it? Well I guess thats your decision ... perhaps you could just install Ubuntu 14.04 though, it has a good working ruby 1.9.3. ... actually you know what: https://travis-ci.org/maxlinc/puppet-decrypt If it doesn't work on Ruby 1.8.7, it certainly is being tested on that platform, perhaps its a bug? It certainly seems like the authors intention is to make it work on Ruby 1.8.7. ken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/CAE4bNTm0G97q9RtnwE3nR8QdUQTmxsW4CUFE75PubQwRgQa%3D_Q%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
And another idea that I've seen people use is to install the Brightbox PPA packages for Ruby: http://brightbox.com/docs/ruby/ubuntu/ On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Ken Barber k...@puppetlabs.com wrote: Ignore this last one, I wrote it at the same time you wrote your comment... I understand and it makes sense. Thanks for your help and I'll evaluate the strategy... I still need puppet_decrypt so I really need to figure how to integrate ruby 2.0.0 on ubutu 12.04 plus puppet. We use RVM for the rest of our ruby apps and that's why I thought on using it , but I see the cons as well. And I think we've come to the heart of it ... 1 tool/library (out of many that are fine?) is forcing your hand to do something strange. Is it worth it? Well I guess thats your decision ... perhaps you could just install Ubuntu 14.04 though, it has a good working ruby 1.9.3. ... actually you know what: https://travis-ci.org/maxlinc/puppet-decrypt If it doesn't work on Ruby 1.8.7, it certainly is being tested on that platform, perhaps its a bug? It certainly seems like the authors intention is to make it work on Ruby 1.8.7. ken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/CAE4bNTm%2BQ0dko2PrxutOvbmrh_CqjZsWqU59F3QH7RfX7g0YHA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
This is great... I see more options now! Thanks for the advice, really helpful On Friday, June 6, 2014 11:17:59 AM UTC+1, Ken Barber wrote: And another idea that I've seen people use is to install the Brightbox PPA packages for Ruby: http://brightbox.com/docs/ruby/ubuntu/ On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Ken Barber k...@puppetlabs.com javascript: wrote: Ignore this last one, I wrote it at the same time you wrote your comment... I understand and it makes sense. Thanks for your help and I'll evaluate the strategy... I still need puppet_decrypt so I really need to figure how to integrate ruby 2.0.0 on ubutu 12.04 plus puppet. We use RVM for the rest of our ruby apps and that's why I thought on using it , but I see the cons as well. And I think we've come to the heart of it ... 1 tool/library (out of many that are fine?) is forcing your hand to do something strange. Is it worth it? Well I guess thats your decision ... perhaps you could just install Ubuntu 14.04 though, it has a good working ruby 1.9.3. ... actually you know what: https://travis-ci.org/maxlinc/puppet-decrypt If it doesn't work on Ruby 1.8.7, it certainly is being tested on that platform, perhaps its a bug? It certainly seems like the authors intention is to make it work on Ruby 1.8.7. ken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/4832a88f-daf7-4500-b76a-b1da5ae54aaa%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
So we (as in the developers of PDB) don't manage the gem that was put onto rubygems, someone else did this - pretty anti-social but alas thats the way rubygems works :-). In fact we normally don't promote ruby gems as a way of installing this software (or puppet for that matter) but if you insist, someone has provided a gemspec in our source tree, that you can build a gem from: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetdb/blob/master/Gemfile. ken. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM, JuanBrein juan.br...@gmail.com wrote: HI guys, On Ubuntu 12.04 using ruby 2.0 and puppet 3.3.2 through gem installation I can't find puppetdb-terminus . There is a 1.0 version but is empty available in rubygems.Does anybody know if there is an easy way to add this files to my puppet installation rather than just copy them over from the puppetdb-terminus deb package or source code? Cheers Juan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/e50b7fde-3a94-451a-aa07-6e9b375f5a9d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Puppet Users group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/CAE4bNTknNY-uTHNJWOO0npJWUVDSLvTbDAyVzRHmG8QDVVn_Fg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
I see, it is a gap in the installation though... I mean you can install
ruby through RVM, then puppet as a gem, but you can't install
puppetdb-terminus so you can't use it with puppetdb...
I did a quick:
Rvm_gem|| - exec { Install puppetdb-terminus:
command = mkdir util/puppetdb;dpkg -L puppetdb-terminus|grep
rb|while read a;do cp $a `echo $a|cut -d'/' -f7-`;done,
cwd =
/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451/gems/puppet-3.3.2/lib/puppet,
path= /usr/bin:/bin,
refreshonly = true,
subscribe = Package['puppetdb-terminus'],
}
But it hurt my eyes each time I see it ...
Suggestions?
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 3:44:54 PM UTC+1, Ken Barber wrote:
So we (as in the developers of PDB) don't manage the gem that was put
onto rubygems, someone else did this - pretty anti-social but alas
thats the way rubygems works :-).
In fact we normally don't promote ruby gems as a way of installing
this software (or puppet for that matter) but if you insist, someone
has provided a gemspec in our source tree, that you can build a gem
from: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetdb/blob/master/Gemfile.
ken.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM, JuanBrein juan@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
HI guys,
On Ubuntu 12.04 using ruby 2.0 and puppet 3.3.2 through gem installation
I
can't find puppetdb-terminus . There is a 1.0 version but is empty
available
in rubygems.Does anybody know if there is an easy way to add this files
to
my puppet installation rather than just copy them over from the
puppetdb-terminus deb package or source code?
Cheers
Juan
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Re: [Puppet Users] puppetdb puppet-terminus and updated ruby version
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, JuanBrein wrote:
I see, it is a gap in the installation though...
For a non-recommended installation path.
I mean you can install ruby through RVM,
... but you shouldn't ...
then puppet as a gem,
... but you shouldn't ...
but you can't install puppetdb-terminus
... which is but one reason why not to do that.
so you can't use it with puppetdb...
I did a quick:
Rvm_gem|| - exec { Install puppetdb-terminus:
command = mkdir util/puppetdb;dpkg -L puppetdb-terminus|grep
rb|while read a;do cp $a `echo $a|cut -d'/' -f7-`;done,
cwd =
/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p451/gems/puppet-3.3.2/lib/puppet,
path= /usr/bin:/bin,
refreshonly = true,
subscribe = Package['puppetdb-terminus'],
}
But it hurt my eyes each time I see it ...
Suggestions?
Install your whole Puppet stack, from Ruby through Puppet to Puppet DB, via
your distro's native package management system. PuppetLabs hosts package
repositories for many current systems, including, I think, Ubuntu 12.04.
But be sure to avoid having the same thing installed as gem and native
package.
John
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