Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-09-04 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi,

On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0600, Adam Olsen wrote:
 Python-safethread's design of course includes most of this deep thinking.

Jython includes another possible outcome of deep thinking about this.
In general there are various possible approaches.


A bientot,

Armin.
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Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-09-03 Thread Severin
safethread sound like something interesting. are there already any safthread
ideas in pypy?
In general, working on GILless ideas sounds more interesting than doing
something on multiprocess framworks.

It's a master thesis, that means there is room for experimental stuff, but
in the end half a year is quite short, so the room is limited again :)

was there any attempt to remove the GIL in pypy so far?

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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Seo Sanghyeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/8/27 Severin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  We started to talk about what we could do and what would be interesting
 for
  us. In some way we wanted to 'improve multiprocessor capabilities' in
 pypy.
  We had some ideas so far, but we are not yet fixed on something.
 
  I was wondering if somebody of you has something that is of particular
  interest to the pypy community. Some ideas that might be interesting to
 look
  at for me. Any kind of input or idea is welcome...

 A random idea. Implementing python-safethread monitors for PyPy?
 http://code.google.com/p/python-safethread/wiki/Monitors

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 Seo Sanghyeon


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Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-09-03 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Severin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 safethread sound like something interesting. are there already any safthread
 ideas in pypy?
 In general, working on GILless ideas sounds more interesting than doing
 something on multiprocess framworks.
 It's a master thesis, that means there is room for experimental stuff, but
 in the end half a year is quite short, so the room is limited again :)
 was there any attempt to remove the GIL in pypy so far?
 --
 Severin


None that I know of at least. I think any serious GIL-removal proposal
requires some deeper thinking about what exactly are the expected
semantics.

Cheers,
fijal
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Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-09-03 Thread Adam Olsen
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Severin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 safethread sound like something interesting. are there already any safthread
 ideas in pypy?
 In general, working on GILless ideas sounds more interesting than doing
 something on multiprocess framworks.
 It's a master thesis, that means there is room for experimental stuff, but
 in the end half a year is quite short, so the room is limited again :)
 was there any attempt to remove the GIL in pypy so far?
 --
 Severin


 None that I know of at least. I think any serious GIL-removal proposal
 requires some deeper thinking about what exactly are the expected
 semantics.

Oi, how did I miss this thread before...

Python-safethread's design of course includes most of this deep thinking.


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Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-08-26 Thread Seo Sanghyeon
2008/8/27 Severin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 We started to talk about what we could do and what would be interesting for
 us. In some way we wanted to 'improve multiprocessor capabilities' in pypy.
 We had some ideas so far, but we are not yet fixed on something.

 I was wondering if somebody of you has something that is of particular
 interest to the pypy community. Some ideas that might be interesting to look
 at for me. Any kind of input or idea is welcome...

A random idea. Implementing python-safethread monitors for PyPy?
http://code.google.com/p/python-safethread/wiki/Monitors

-- 
Seo Sanghyeon
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Re: [pypy-dev] master thesis with pypy

2008-08-26 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
Hello.

Can you explain a bit in which direction would you like to go? Or is
the topic vague for a reason to experiment a bit? Would you rather
want say, create some GILless locking mechanism in pypy or rather
implement some cool multi-process framework based on what is done
already?

Cheers,
fijal

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Severin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello everybody,

 I am Severin - a student at ETH in Zurich. Currently i'm enrolled at the
 Masters program in computer science. The next 6 month, starting from the
 15th of September I will do my thesis. This more or less means working on a
 project. Since me and my mentor (Nicholas Matsakis) both share interest in
 python we came up with the idea to do some work with the pypy project.

 We started to talk about what we could do and what would be interesting for
 us. In some way we wanted to 'improve multiprocessor capabilities' in pypy.
 We had some ideas so far, but we are not yet fixed on something.

 I was wondering if somebody of you has something that is of particular
 interest to the pypy community. Some ideas that might be interesting to look
 at for me. Any kind of input or idea is welcome...

 Best regards,
 Severin


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