Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: Can someone (Martin, Barry?) post this on python.org (I don't think this necessarily needs to be put into svn and I don't have any access but svn) so Fredrik can free up the space on his server? Did I ever respond to that? I put the file on http://svn.python.org/snapshots/ Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On 4/10/06, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: Can someone (Martin, Barry?) post this on python.org (I don't think this necessarily needs to be put into svn and I don't have any access but svn) so Fredrik can free up the space on his server? Did I ever respond to that? I put the file on Nope. Thanks for doing this. I am in the middle of final projects for school so I probably won't get to writing the rough draft of the call for trackers until after the 23rd. -Brett http://svn.python.org/snapshots/ Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
the source code is available via the above link; I'll post the ZIP file some- where tomorrow (drop me a line if you want the URL). I found some free space on the effbot.org server, so anyone inter- ested can get the current ZIP file here: http://effbot.org/tracker-20060403.zip the zip file is ~85 megabytes, and expands to about 300 megabyte data. there are three tracker directories (for the bugs, patches, and feature re- quest trackers). for each item, there are at least two files: item-NNN.xml (index information, created by getindex.py) item-NNN-page.xml (xhtml pages, created by getpages.py) where NNN is the tracker item identifier. for items that have attached files, there's also one or more item-NNN-data-MMM.dat (data files, created by getfiles.py) where MMM is a file identifier (referred to by the page files). ::: the extract module available here: http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ can be used to extract information from the page.xml files (see the sanity check code at the end of that file for a usage example). to use this, you need ElementTree (a Python 2.5 pre-alpha should work) and/or cElementTree. ::: I'll post an export demo script later. cheers /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On 4/3/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the source code is available via the above link; I'll post the ZIP file some- where tomorrow (drop me a line if you want the URL). I found some free space on the effbot.org server, so anyone inter- ested can get the current ZIP file here: http://effbot.org/tracker-20060403.zip the zip file is ~85 megabytes, and expands to about 300 megabyte data. Can someone (Martin, Barry?) post this on python.org (I don't think this necessarily needs to be put into svn and I don't have any access but svn) so Fredrik can free up the space on his server? there are three tracker directories (for the bugs, patches, and feature re- quest trackers). for each item, there are at least two files: item-NNN.xml (index information, created by getindex.py) item-NNN-page.xml (xhtml pages, created by getpages.py) where NNN is the tracker item identifier. for items that have attached files, there's also one or more item-NNN-data-MMM.dat (data files, created by getfiles.py) where MMM is a file identifier (referred to by the page files). ::: the extract module available here: http://effbot.python-hosting.com/browser/stuff/sandbox/sourceforge/ can be used to extract information from the page.xml files (see the sanity check code at the end of that file for a usage example). to use this, you need ElementTree (a Python 2.5 pre-alpha should work) and/or cElementTree. ::: I'll post an export demo script later. OK, great. I will send out an email to start hashing out what we want in the tracker call soon so we can start working on that while you type up the demo script. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Brett Cannon wrote: oh, I forgot that the Procrastination Stop energy Foundation was involved in this. Fredrik, if you would like to help move this all forward, great; I would appreciate the help. You can write a page scraper to get the data out of SF if you don't believe SF will cooperate fast enough for your tastes or I am giving them too long to try to fix things on their end (I don't expect they will fix things fast enough either, but because of school ending soon I don't have time right now to start working on a scraper myself plus I am willing to give them a little time to try to fix the XML export so we can minimize headaches on our end). here If you would rather contribute by collecting a list of possible trackers along with who will maintain it, then please do. I am not going to dive into that quite yet, but if you want to parallelize the work needed then I would appreciate the help. The tracker will need to be able to import the SF data somehow (probably will require a custom tool so the volunteers need to be aware of this), be able to export data (so we can back it up on a regular basis so we don't have to go through this again), and an email interface for at least replying to tracker items. A community-wide announcement will probably be needed to get a good group of volunteers together for any one non-commercial tracker. But I am not procrastinating. I don't think I have ever come off as a procrastinator on this list and I don't think I deserve the label. I am not putting more time in now because I am near the end of term here at school and thus passing my courses takes precendent over a new bug tracker. I ended up the chairman at the infrastructure committee during one of my busiest school terms I have ever had. But I will see this through and it will be done in a timely manner. -Brett ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/python-python-dev%40m.gmane.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Hello, On 3/29/06, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/29/06, Wolfgang Langner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a Java system. Why promote Java solutions for python ? I think there are good python solutions for a bug tracker and we should prefer them. ... Also, we're supposed to be friendly with Java, as we have a major product in that arena. What if Java folks were to reject a Python solution because it's not written in Python? Wouldn't we be upset about the parochialism? I have no problem with Java, neither with other languages. Most time I have to program in C++ and sometimes in Java. I only suggest to give python solutions a try even if they are not yet equal in quality. But they should be better than SF. The language choice should only be used as an argument if all else is equal. Of course, hackability of a particular solution may be a criterion too, and there the language choice could matter. But the above response sounded like a knee-jerk to me, and IMO needs to be rebutted. I think there are good python solutions and please don't underrate the marketing effect. My opinion is only subjective and to choose one system we must define some criteria's to decide the best one. But something other :-) Even Ruby on Rails uses Trac: http://dev.rubyonrails.org/wiki -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:33 -0800, Neal Norwitz wrote: I'm in favor of having Atlassian setup a system to be used for 3k. It would be completely experimental and could be completely thrown away which should be made clear to Atlassian if we were to do this. I would use the system for evaluation. If we did this, we should also try to ensure we can get all the data out, just in case we want to preserve any of it. I'm sure we can get the data out (unlike SF :), and my guess would be that they'd be fine with such an experimental relationship. They're very cool folks. I'll leave it up to Brett to decide though, since he's chair of the infrastructure committee. I'm happy to ask them though. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Robert Kern wrote: Apologies: for the other blank reply. oh, I don't know about that -- the eco quote made perfect sense ;-) /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Georg Brandl wrote: Generally, I like Trac very much, especially for its interconnected subsystems. I've used it with smaller projects, and there it works perfectly. Having said that, I don't know if the Trac ticket system (which would be the most important subsystem for us) scales up well enough. I'm completely fail to see why a Trac server shouldn't scale up at least as well as the SF-hosted Python tracker... (I mean, we're talking about one project, not 116,757 ...) Of course, if there are only a few bits missing, instead of paying someone to operate a complicated tracker, perhaps the money could be used to pay someone to improve Trac... I cannot find the message right now, but I'm quite sure that someone recently suggested that the right way to try out a new tracker was to use it for the Python 3000 activity. my suggestion is to ask the python-hosting folks if they're willing to set up a free pyk3 account: http://www.python-hosting.com/freetrac if this works well for Python 3000, the next step would be to ask them if they're willing to host the 2.X tracker as well (and optionally the SVN archive, as well). PSF might not be the Mozilla Foundation, but I'm sure there's enough funds to pay for suitably large commercial account. /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:52 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote: if this works well for Python 3000, the next step would be to ask them if they're willing to host the 2.X tracker as well (and optionally the SVN archive, as well). PSF might not be the Mozilla Foundation, but I'm sure there's enough funds to pay for suitably large commercial account. I'll just point out that Atlassian has offered us free hosting for a Jira/Confluence solution (plus svn and other stuff we may or may not want). I personally support this option, but I know (and accept!) that there are differing opinions. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:52:07 +0200, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georg Brandl wrote: Generally, I like Trac very much, especially for its interconnected subsystems. I've used it with smaller projects, and there it works perfectly. Having said that, I don't know if the Trac ticket system (which would be the most important subsystem for us) scales up well enough. I'm completely fail to see why a Trac server shouldn't scale up at least as well as the SF-hosted Python tracker... (I mean, we're talking about one project, not 116,757 ...) One reason might be the lack of paging for tickets. Viewing ~600 tickets at once (approximately the number of open tickets in Twisted's tracker) serves up a 2MB page. How many open tickets does Python have? :) Another reason is that the currently released version hemorrhage memory pretty badly (sometimes ~30MB for a single HTTP request). This is better in [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I don't think it's entirely resolved yet. Not that I am suggesting these and the other problems like them are unfixable, but someone will have to fix them, and whoever is going to have to admin the installation should be aware that there will be some issues. Jean-Paul ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
Wolfgang Langner wrote: It is a Java system. Why promote Java solutions for python ? I think there are good python solutions for a bug tracker and we should prefer them. It is an application. Why worry about its implementation language? If there are good Python solutions they should be used, if not it's better to use something that works well regardless of what it's written in. (Not that I qualify to have an opinion. I don't have time to contribute to Python, other than with snarky emails.) -- Benji York ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch
On 3/29/06, Wolfgang Langner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Barry] I'll just point out that Atlassian has offered us free hosting for a Jira/Confluence solution (plus svn and other stuff we may or may not want). I personally support this option, but I know (and accept!) that there are differing opinions. It is a Java system. Why promote Java solutions for python ? I think there are good python solutions for a bug tracker and we should prefer them. Watch out for the parochialism! I like Python as much as the next guy (probably more :-) but I'm sensitive to choosing the best solution. In this case I think the criteria should be saving volunteer sysadmin time in maintenance, conveniece for users, and convenience in developer time (not necessarily in that order). I don't know any of the suggested systems well enough to know how they score, so I don't want to side any particular proposal; but I think we should not base our argument on it's written in competing language X. Beware NIH. Also, we're supposed to be friendly with Java, as we have a major product in that arena. What if Java folks were to reject a Python solution because it's not written in Python? Wouldn't we be upset about the parochialism? The language choice should only be used as an argument if all else is equal. Of course, hackability of a particular solution may be a criterion too, and there the language choice could matter. But the above response sounded like a knee-jerk to me, and IMO needs to be rebutted. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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The language choice should only be used as an argument if all else is equal. Of course, hackability of a particular solution may be a criterion too, and there the language choice could matter. But the above response sounded like a knee-jerk to me, and IMO needs to be rebutted. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) Include in hackability the ability to get all ticket data out accurately in a reasonable format to auto-import into a different system 5 years from now when the new one, whatever it may be, is deemed annoying. :) i like the idea of trac. i like the experience of jira/confluence. anything beats sourceforge. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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On 3/29/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll just point out that Atlassian has offered us free hosting for a Jira/Confluence solution (plus svn and other stuff we may or may not want). I personally support this option, but I know (and accept!) that there are differing opinions. I'm in favor of having Atlassian setup a system to be used for 3k. It would be completely experimental and could be completely thrown away which should be made clear to Atlassian if we were to do this. I would use the system for evaluation. If we did this, we should also try to ensure we can get all the data out, just in case we want to preserve any of it. Most of my time will probably be spent cleaning up 2.5 for the next couple of weeks at least. So I'm not going to have time to rip out more stuff from 3k. coerce is almost gone. Low hanging fruit for someone interested in helping out: * find warnings with icc that are important to fix * remove unnecessary casts for PyMethodDefs The first item requires icc obviously. I haven't had time to set up my version yet. The second item could be done by anyone. There may be some issues resulting from the ssize_t merge that are being masked due to casting. If we remove the unnecessary casts (e.g., PyCFunction, unaryfunc, binaryfunc, ternaryfunc), we may find some things to cleanup. We still need builbots for: FreeBSD, AIX, HP-UX, and NetBSD. n ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Just van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ It is based on python and has a very good svn integration. We started using it recently and so far it's working really well. I love the svn (and wiki!) integration. However, I have no idea how well it scales to a project the size of Python. Having extensively used both Trac and Bugzilla, let me say that the ticket tracker in Trac is a child-play version of Bugzilla. It might be enough for Python, though, if SF was enough till now. I thought that a large project like Python required something more advanced. Anyway, I'll shut up as I see there is a committee for this decision. The integration between tickets/svn/wiki in Trac is cute though, even if, after a while, you'd really want that mailman parsed that syntax as well (and maybe your MUA too :) -- Giovanni Bajo ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
