Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread Todd V Rovito


On Jan 4, 2013, at 11:51 AM, "R. David Murray"  wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:40:10 -0500, Todd V Rovito  wrote:
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:23 AM, "R. David Murray"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:04:14 -0500, Todd V Rovito  
>>> wrote:
I submitted a simple patch for updates to IDLE's documentation
http://bugs.python.org/issue5066 and it has not been reviewed by
an official Python developer.  Since it is now been over 1month
since last update can somebody please review and or commit?  I
did get some comments from another contributor and updated the
patch based on those comments.  The original bug was opened in
2009 and the IDLE documentation is out of date with undocumented
menu options and inconsistencies between the help file and the
HTML documentation.  I hate to be pushy but I would like to see
some progress made on IDLE.  Thanks for the support.
>>> 
>>> IMO it isn't pushy to ask about an issue that seems ready but on which
>>> no action has been taken for an extended period.  It could be that the
>>> nosy committers have just forgotten about it.
>>> 
>>> In the future, it best way to approach this situation (patch that seems
>>> ready but no action has been taken) is to ping the issue first, and if
>>> you don't get a response after a few days, to post here as you did.
>> 
>> Good suggestion I will "ping" the bug report!  FYIthe excellent
>> developer's guide http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html#reviewing
>> states "Getting your patch reviewed requires a reviewer to have the
>> spare time and motivation to look at your patch (we cannot force
>> anyone to review patches). If your patch has not received any notice
>> from reviewers (i.e., no comment made) after a substantial amount of
>> time then you may email python-dev@python.org asking for someone to
>> take a look at your patch."
>> 
>> The Developer's guide does not mention pinging the patch maybe that is
>> common sense so it doesn't need to be documented but I had assumed
>> somebody was watching bugs that had patches applied but no commits.
> 
> Adding that to the developers guide sounds like a good idea.  You could
> open a new issue in the tracker with that suggestion :).
Thanks I will add an issue to the tracker and will even submit a patch.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:56:22 +0200, Serhiy Storchaka  
wrote:
> On 04.01.13 18:51, R. David Murray wrote:
> > (To automate such monitoring we would need some sort of 'commit ready'
> > flag in the tracker and a protocol for when it gets set...which might
> > not be a bad idea, but would need to be discussed)
> 
> Is not "commit review" stage purposed for this?

Not currently.  But we could potentially re-purpose it for that.

Currently it is supposed to mean that we are in an RC stage, one
committer has signed off on the patch, and we need a second signoff before
committing.  I don't think we actually work that way any more now that
we have switched to hg.  Instead what we have been doing is committing
as per normal, and then the release manager's decision on whether or not
merge the fix into his release clone takes the place of the second review.

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread Serhiy Storchaka

On 04.01.13 18:51, R. David Murray wrote:

(To automate such monitoring we would need some sort of 'commit ready'
flag in the tracker and a protocol for when it gets set...which might
not be a bad idea, but would need to be discussed)


Is not "commit review" stage purposed for this?


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Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:40:10 -0500, Todd V Rovito  wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:23 AM, "R. David Murray"  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:04:14 -0500, Todd V Rovito  
> > wrote:
> >> I submitted a simple patch for updates to IDLE's documentation
> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue5066 and it has not been reviewed by
> >> an official Python developer.  Since it is now been over 1month
> >> since last update can somebody please review and or commit?  I
> >> did get some comments from another contributor and updated the
> >> patch based on those comments.  The original bug was opened in
> >> 2009 and the IDLE documentation is out of date with undocumented
> >> menu options and inconsistencies between the help file and the
> >> HTML documentation.  I hate to be pushy but I would like to see
> >> some progress made on IDLE.  Thanks for the support.
> > 
> > IMO it isn't pushy to ask about an issue that seems ready but on which
> > no action has been taken for an extended period.  It could be that the
> > nosy committers have just forgotten about it.
> > 
> > In the future, it best way to approach this situation (patch that seems
> > ready but no action has been taken) is to ping the issue first, and if
> > you don't get a response after a few days, to post here as you did.
>
> Good suggestion I will "ping" the bug report!  FYIthe excellent
> developer's guide http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html#reviewing
> states "Getting your patch reviewed requires a reviewer to have the
> spare time and motivation to look at your patch (we cannot force
> anyone to review patches). If your patch has not received any notice
> from reviewers (i.e., no comment made) after a substantial amount of
> time then you may email python-dev@python.org asking for someone to
> take a look at your patch."
> 
> The Developer's guide does not mention pinging the patch maybe that is
> common sense so it doesn't need to be documented but I had assumed
> somebody was watching bugs that had patches applied but no commits. 

Adding that to the developers guide sounds like a good idea.  You could
open a new issue in the tracker with that suggestion :).

No, we have no automated monitoring of anything in the bug tracker
(other than the weekly issues summary).  It is all up to whatever some
volunteer chooses to spend time doing.  If someone *did* want to take
on that role, that would be fantastic.

(To automate such monitoring we would need some sort of 'commit ready'
flag in the tracker and a protocol for when it gets set...which might
not be a bad idea, but would need to be discussed)

--David
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Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread Todd V Rovito
On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:23 AM, "R. David Murray"  wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:04:14 -0500, Todd V Rovito  wrote:
>> I submitted a simple patch for updates to IDLE's documentation
>> http://bugs.python.org/issue5066 and it has not been reviewed by
>> an official Python developer.  Since it is now been over 1month
>> since last update can somebody please review and or commit?  I
>> did get some comments from another contributor and updated the
>> patch based on those comments.  The original bug was opened in
>> 2009 and the IDLE documentation is out of date with undocumented
>> menu options and inconsistencies between the help file and the
>> HTML documentation.  I hate to be pushy but I would like to see
>> some progress made on IDLE.  Thanks for the support.
> 
> IMO it isn't pushy to ask about an issue that seems ready but on which
> no action has been taken for an extended period.  It could be that the
> nosy committers have just forgotten about it.
> 
> In the future, it best way to approach this situation (patch that seems
> ready but no action has been taken) is to ping the issue first, and if
> you don't get a response after a few days, to post here as you did.
Good suggestion I will "ping" the bug report!  FYIthe excellent developer's 
guide http://docs.python.org/devguide/patch.html#reviewing states "Getting your 
patch reviewed requires a reviewer to have the spare time and motivation to 
look at your patch (we cannot force anyone to review patches). If your patch 
has not received any notice from reviewers (i.e., no comment made) after a 
substantial amount of time then you may email python-dev@python.org asking for 
someone to take a look at your patch."

The Developer's guide does not mention pinging the patch maybe that is common 
sense so it doesn't need to be documented but I had assumed somebody was 
watching bugs that had patches applied but no commits. ___
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Re: [Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 10:04:14 -0500, Todd V Rovito  wrote:
>  I submitted a simple patch for updates to IDLE's documentation
>  http://bugs.python.org/issue5066 and it has not been reviewed by
>  an official Python developer.  Since it is now been over 1month
>  since last update can somebody please review and or commit?  I
>  did get some comments from another contributor and updated the
>  patch based on those comments.  The original bug was opened in
>  2009 and the IDLE documentation is out of date with undocumented
>  menu options and inconsistencies between the help file and the
>  HTML documentation.  I hate to be pushy but I would like to see
>  some progress made on IDLE.  Thanks for the support.

IMO it isn't pushy to ask about an issue that seems ready but on which
no action has been taken for an extended period.  It could be that the
nosy committers have just forgotten about it.

In the future, it best way to approach this situation (patch that seems
ready but no action has been taken) is to ping the issue first, and if
you don't get a response after a few days, to post here as you did.

--David
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[Python-Dev] Please review simple patch for IDLE documentation last updated 11/28/2012

2013-01-04 Thread Todd V Rovito
Greetings,
 I submitted a simple patch for updates to IDLE's documentation 
http://bugs.python.org/issue5066 and it has not been reviewed by an official 
Python developer.  Since it is now been over 1month since last update can 
somebody please review and or commit?  I did get some comments from another 
contributor and updated the patch based on those comments.  The original bug 
was opened in 2009 and the IDLE documentation is out of date with undocumented 
menu options and inconsistencies between the help file and the HTML 
documentation.  I hate to be pushy but I would like to see some progress made 
on IDLE.  Thanks for the support.

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