[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:36:33 -0700 Steve Dower wrote: > On 18Jun2019 1025, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Oleg Broytman writes: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:09:59AM -, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > > Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the > > > > appropriate version? > > > > > >Because the downloading computer is not necessary the installation > > > target. > > > > Sure, but (a) it's a good bet, and (b) somebody downloading to install > > on a different machine is more likely to know what they're doing and > > be conscious of issues of platform. > > Equally, someone more conscious of the issues will know to go and get > the 64-bit version if they explicitly want it. The main download button doesn't say anything about being 32-bit. So unless you *know* that you're going to be given the 32-bit version, you'll blindly download and install it. When coming from a non-Windows OS it is weird and unexpected to be given a 32-bit version by default. (this just happened to me, incidentally) Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/UFZWIWAAHN4TPD56VWNHMWTMWXMGBOUQ/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On 19Jun2019 0124, Steve Holden wrote: I just posted a webmaster reply about just such an inquiry. As one of the people who get to do the explaining, it would be nice if we (not the devs) could figure out some way of getting people to the download they want. Probably the easiest thing to do is to add a static link below the big download button that goes to the current release page and is labelled "64-bit and other downloads". Right now, the only alternative is to go to the full list of releases. Cheers, Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/JRCHXPKBRW66MZQG7KB7TLDNRRTUTE7I/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:37 PM Steve Dower wrote: > On 18Jun2019 1025, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Oleg Broytman writes: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:09:59AM -, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the > > > > appropriate version? > > > > > >Because the downloading computer is not necessary the installation > > > target. > > > > Sure, but (a) it's a good bet, and (b) somebody downloading to install > > on a different machine is more likely to know what they're doing and > > be conscious of issues of platform. > > Equally, someone more conscious of the issues will know to go and get > the 64-bit version if they explicitly want it. But for practically > everyone the 32-bit version will be just fine. > > There's no definitive answer to this, which means regardless of which > decision we make we will have to continue to explain it over and over > again. Right now, status quo and the lack of a volunteer to update the > web site means that sticking with the 32-bit link is easier to explain > than having to figure out why a particular machine was offered a > particular download when it is not correct. > I just posted a webmaster reply about just such an inquiry. As one of the people who get to do the explaining, it would be nice if we (not the devs) could figure out some way of getting people to the download they want. The lack of volunteers to update the web site content is disappointing, but a fact of open source life. Personally I'd have thought that the PSF was now spending enough on infrastructure that it might be able to afford someone to maintain the content - especially those areas that most impact the dev team. I imagine some assistance for release managers would also be helpful. Is it worth trying to make this happen? regards Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/I6ZRZKA6HOP4GYR5KQIYXM7A5L3ADCEC/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On 18Jun2019 1025, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Oleg Broytman writes: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:09:59AM -, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com wrote: > > Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the > > appropriate version? > >Because the downloading computer is not necessary the installation > target. Sure, but (a) it's a good bet, and (b) somebody downloading to install on a different machine is more likely to know what they're doing and be conscious of issues of platform. Equally, someone more conscious of the issues will know to go and get the 64-bit version if they explicitly want it. But for practically everyone the 32-bit version will be just fine. There's no definitive answer to this, which means regardless of which decision we make we will have to continue to explain it over and over again. Right now, status quo and the lack of a volunteer to update the web site means that sticking with the 32-bit link is easier to explain than having to figure out why a particular machine was offered a particular download when it is not correct. Cheers, Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/BTXH437DIA7PSWSF7JVMJBCEL37JFSG2/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
Oleg Broytman writes: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:09:59AM -, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com wrote: > > Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the > > appropriate version? > >Because the downloading computer is not necessary the installation > target. Sure, but (a) it's a good bet, and (b) somebody downloading to install on a different machine is more likely to know what they're doing and be conscious of issues of platform. It's a common practice nowadays, probably for that reason. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/GQY7NA7Q4UEBQPDA4UDU37M2I4KDLYOW/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:09:59AM -, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com wrote: > Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the appropriate > version? Because the downloading computer is not necessary the installation target. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmanhttps://phdru.name/p...@phdru.name Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/GHFN5GVXPU7RPA7MLOPFNWXBPSKBIGUF/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
On 18Jun2019 0309, smartmanoj42...@gmail.com wrote: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows? Because there are still 32-bit operating systems out there, and the 32-bit version of Python will work just fine on both 32 and 64-bit Windows (and will use less memory than the 64-bit version). The version we publish to the Microsoft Store is only available in 64-bit, as it has a much higher minimum OS version requirement and the proportion of 32-bit installs drops off dramatically. (That download link was removed from the website while the PSF figures out whether they are allowed to link to it.) Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the appropriate version? I'm sure the team working on https://github.com/python/pythondotorg would love to have more contributors :) From my point of view, I want the link to be the same on any machine, so I'm quite happy with it being static. Cheers, Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/5XT3YU3XACBYYAQMRXSKILNO5H3ED3GG/
[Python-Dev] Re: why is not 64-bit installer the default download link for Windows?
Why don't we check the architecture using js and provide the appropriate version? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/NBVAUQOD42SGKSGVJLG3GRYSL6YVZ24V/
