Re: [Python-Dev] audience-instructors for Teach Me Python Bugfixing needed
The PyOhio contribu-palooza starts this Saturday! http://www.pyohio.org/Contribute With two talks and a two-day-four-night sprint, I'm very hopeful that it will recruit and train some new core workers. I'm preparing my portion, the teach-the-newbie (me) -to-fix-a-core-bug session, and I want to make sure that I'm prepared in two ways: 1. Any bulky download/compilation steps are complete I pulled the Py3 trunk with svn co http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/py3k python, did the compilation steps, and verified that I can fire up the latest build. I also note that http://www.python.org/dev/ doesn't say anything about hg yet. Is there someplace else I should look for hg-centered docs? Should we just teach it using svn if that's better documented? Then again, if hg is the way of the future... I also built the docs (``cd Doc; make html``) Are there other things that I need to do to configure my machine beforehand? Things that are too long/boring for the audience to sit through while I do it live? 2. Have a good set of questions to ask. Here's what I'm planning so far: - While running ``make test`` on the Python trunk, I got an error on test_os. Is that a problem with my machine's configuration, or with the build? Do I need to report it? Can I ignore it? Now we'll find a bug. - Do I need an account on bugs.python.org? What do I need to do to get one? - How do I find a bug suitable for me to work on? - entry-level - in Python not C - corresponding to my strong points / interests Now we'll find a fake bug that David has planted for us. (David, have you planted it yet?) - Can/should I make my edits directly in the trunk that I just pulled down? - Now we'll make the fix... maybe this should involve using a debugging IDE or pdb? - How do I verify that my fix worked? That it didn't break anything else? That it's written with proper style? That it doesn't generally suck? - How do I send my fix back up to the trunk? - How do I record my work in the bug tracker? (If time permits) now let's try writing a test for a gap in test coverage (not necessarily on the code we just worked on - this doesn't have to be fake) DON'T ANSWER THESE! I need to carefully guard my sincere ignorance through Saturday! (Actually, I already have a pretty good idea about some of them, but I don't want my ignorance to become any less sincere than it already is.) But, if you're David or Dan or anybody else who's going to be there, you may want to ponder how you'll guide me through it. But what I want to know from all of you is: what other questions should be on my list? I was going to address this only to David, my primary audience/instructor volunteer, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to get input from the rest of you. Thank you all! -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyOhio 2010 * July 31 - Aug 1 * Columbus, OH * pyohio.org *** ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] audience-instructors for Teach Me Python Bugfixing needed
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Scanning through open issues will also give you a general idea of what kind of functionalities are looking for improvement, or need fixing. (you can create a new issue and start tackling it yourself, too) As a wanabe Dev I think the hardest thing is to find an open issue I can actually fix and to have a mentor to help make sure I don't miss something I did not know about. Please record the Teach Me session if it happens. (audio and/or video) *Vincent Davis 720-301-3003 * vinc...@vincentdavis.net my blog http://vincentdavis.net | LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentdavis ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] audience-instructors for Teach Me Python Bugfixing needed
Vincent Davis wrote: As a wanabe Dev I think the hardest thing is to find an open issue I can actually fix and to have a mentor to help make sure I don't miss something I did not know about. Does the easy tag help with that at all? It's intended to mark issues that aren't delving into deep dark corners of the interpreter or standard library, but when you've been doing this for a long time one's judgment of what's easy and what's difficult can get a little askew. (e.g. I recently marked the task of fixing the enumerate docstring as easy, but that does still require knowing how docstrings work for C code) Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia --- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] audience-instructors for Teach Me Python Bugfixing needed
Hey, everybody... I'm Catherine, a database administrator who makes up excuses to write Python instead. I'm not actually here as a core developer, but as somebody who hopes to become a developer and recruit some more, which brings me to my question: Who lives close enough to Ohio to make it to PyOhio this summer? I want to use PyOhio to create new Python devs (including myself), but I need some existing ones to seed the process. I need a few veterans (3?) who can commit to come to PyOhio and take part as audience/instructors in a Teach Me [Python core / standard library] Bugfixing session. (See http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2010/04/bugfixing-at-pyohio.html.) The PyOhio Call for Proposals is up May 10 so I'd better find you quick! I'm pretty much ignorant enough to lead a Teach Me session. In a Teach Me session, the person at the projector *doesn't* know the material. Instead, she asks the audience questions (How do I find a bug to work on?), and they talk her through it. It's based on Teach Me Twisted, a mind-blowing session Steve Holden led at PyCon 2008 ( http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2008/03/teach-me-twisted.html). I think it's a fantastic way to teach, but it depends on some veterans being in the audience. There are folks in the greater Python community eager to get hold of a video of such a session... if we do this well, it could become an important tool in keeping the quality of core Python code high. And all I need from you, my audience-instructors, is a promise to show up (no preparation necessary). Can you make it? Can you pass the appeal on to others you know of? Thanks! Hope to see you in July! -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyOhio 2010 * July 31 - Aug 1 * Columbus, OH * pyohio.org *** ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] audience-instructors for Teach Me Python Bugfixing needed
What an excellent idea! We should have these at *every* regional conference. Doug On May 6, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Catherine Devlin wrote: Hey, everybody... I'm Catherine, a database administrator who makes up excuses to write Python instead. I'm not actually here as a core developer, but as somebody who hopes to become a developer and recruit some more, which brings me to my question: Who lives close enough to Ohio to make it to PyOhio this summer? I want to use PyOhio to create new Python devs (including myself), but I need some existing ones to seed the process. I need a few veterans (3?) who can commit to come to PyOhio and take part as audience/instructors in a Teach Me [Python core / standard library] Bugfixing session. (See http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2010/04/bugfixing-at-pyohio.html.) The PyOhio Call for Proposals is up May 10 so I'd better find you quick! I'm pretty much ignorant enough to lead a Teach Me session. In a Teach Me session, the person at the projector *doesn't* know the material. Instead, she asks the audience questions (How do I find a bug to work on?), and they talk her through it. It's based on Teach Me Twisted, a mind-blowing session Steve Holden led at PyCon 2008 (http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2008/03/teach-me-twisted.html ). I think it's a fantastic way to teach, but it depends on some veterans being in the audience. There are folks in the greater Python community eager to get hold of a video of such a session... if we do this well, it could become an important tool in keeping the quality of core Python code high. And all I need from you, my audience-instructors, is a promise to show up (no preparation necessary). Can you make it? Can you pass the appeal on to others you know of? Thanks! Hope to see you in July! -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyOhio 2010 * July 31 - Aug 1 * Columbus, OH * pyohio.org *** ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/doug.hellmann%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
