Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Chris Jerdonek]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:
> On 30/07/2018 16:41, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>> On 29 July 2018 at 03:20, Tim Golden  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly
>>> involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd
>>> naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone to
>>> come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN approach
>>> is
>>> superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of creating a
>>> new
>>> temporary file per test, no-one really has.
>>
>>
>> For higher level modules, "just use tempfile to create a new temporary
>> directory, then unlink it at the end" is typically going to be a good
>> answer (modulo the current cleanup issues that Jeremy is reporting,
>> but ideally those will be fixed rather than avoided, either by
>> improving the way the module is being used, or fixing any underlying
>> defects).

If there's a desire to use tempfile, another option is to have
tempfile create the temp files inside the temporary directory the test
harness creates specifically for testing -- using the "dir" argument
to many of tempfile's functions.

Here is where the process-specific temp directory is created for
testing (inside test.libregrtest.main):
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/9045199c5aaeac9b52537581be127d999b5944ee/Lib/test/libregrtest/main.py#L511

This would also facilitate the clean-up of any leftover temp files.

Again, I think it would be best to use any tempfile functions behind
one or more test-support functions, so the choice of location, etc.
can be changed centrally without needing to modify code everywhere.

--Chris

>>
>> For lower level modules though, adding a test suite dependency on
>> tempfile introduces a non-trivial chance of adding an operational
>> dependency from a module's test suite back to the module itself. When
>> that happens, module regressions may show up as secondary failures in
>> tempfile that then need to be debugged, rather than as specific unit
>> test failures that point you towards exactly what you broke.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>
> Thanks Nick; I hadn't thought about the possible interdependency issue.
>
> I think for the moment my approach will be to switch to support.unlink
> wherever possible to start with. Before introducing other (eg tempfile)
> changes, this should at least narrow the issues down. I've made a start on
> that (before inadvertently blowing away all the changes since my
> hours-previous commit!)
>
> If further changes are necessary then I'll probably look case-by-case to see
> whether a tempfile or some other solution would help.
>
> That said, that's potentially quite a lot of change -- at least in terms of
> files changed if not strictly of functionality. So I'm thinking of
> trickle-feeding the changes through as people will understandably baulk at a
> patchbomb (PR-bomb?) hitting the codebase all at once.
>
> TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 30/07/2018 16:41, Nick Coghlan wrote:

On 29 July 2018 at 03:20, Tim Golden  wrote:

I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly
involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd
naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone to
come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN approach is
superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of creating a new
temporary file per test, no-one really has.


For higher level modules, "just use tempfile to create a new temporary
directory, then unlink it at the end" is typically going to be a good
answer (modulo the current cleanup issues that Jeremy is reporting,
but ideally those will be fixed rather than avoided, either by
improving the way the module is being used, or fixing any underlying
defects).

For lower level modules though, adding a test suite dependency on
tempfile introduces a non-trivial chance of adding an operational
dependency from a module's test suite back to the module itself. When
that happens, module regressions may show up as secondary failures in
tempfile that then need to be debugged, rather than as specific unit
test failures that point you towards exactly what you broke.

Cheers,
Nick.



Thanks Nick; I hadn't thought about the possible interdependency issue.

I think for the moment my approach will be to switch to support.unlink 
wherever possible to start with. Before introducing other (eg tempfile) 
changes, this should at least narrow the issues down. I've made a start 
on that (before inadvertently blowing away all the changes since my 
hours-previous commit!)


If further changes are necessary then I'll probably look case-by-case to 
see whether a tempfile or some other solution would help.


That said, that's potentially quite a lot of change -- at least in terms 
of files changed if not strictly of functionality. So I'm thinking of 
trickle-feeding the changes through as people will understandably baulk 
at a patchbomb (PR-bomb?) hitting the codebase all at once.


TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Nick Coghlan]

On 29 July 2018 at 03:20, Tim Golden  wrote:
> I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly
> involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd
> naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone to
> come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN approach is
> superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of creating a new
> temporary file per test, no-one really has.

For higher level modules, "just use tempfile to create a new temporary
directory, then unlink it at the end" is typically going to be a good
answer (modulo the current cleanup issues that Jeremy is reporting,
but ideally those will be fixed rather than avoided, either by
improving the way the module is being used, or fixing any underlying
defects).

For lower level modules though, adding a test suite dependency on
tempfile introduces a non-trivial chance of adding an operational
dependency from a module's test suite back to the module itself. When
that happens, module regressions may show up as secondary failures in
tempfile that then need to be debugged, rather than as specific unit
test failures that point you towards exactly what you broke.

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Steve Dower]

If the problem is AV scanners, then they should be opening them properly for 
this (and since the delete is not failing but is being deferred, I assume it's 
allowing deletes). If the problem is elsewhere in our code base then we have a 
different bug.

Top-posted from my Windows 10 phone

From: eryk sun
Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:28
To: python-dev@python.org
Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Steve Dower  wrote:
>
> One additional thing that may help (if support.unlink doesn't already do it)
> is to rename the file before deleting it. Renames are always possible even
> with open handles, and then you can create a new file at the original name.

Renaming open files typically fails with a sharing violation (32).
Most programs open files with read and write sharing but not delete
sharing. This applies to Python, except temporary files (i.e.
os.O_TEMPORARY) do share delete access. Renaming a file is effectively
adding a new link and deleting the old link, so it requires opening
the file with delete access. Also, renaming a directory that has open
files in the tree fails with access denied (5).
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 9:34 AM Tim Golden  wrote:
> For test_mailbox I've experimentally implemented a hybrid tempfile /
> local directory solution. ie I've created a new file on each run, but
> only within the python_ folder which already exists. As long as the
> directory cleans up there should be no leftovers. That's certainly
> helped although my re-run harness has provoked at least one error.

As Eryk noted, the fix for mailbox.py (yes, the stdlib needs fixing in
this case) is quite simple:

diff --git a/Lib/mailbox.py b/Lib/mailbox.py
index 056251d..eb85df1 100644
--- a/Lib/mailbox.py
+++ b/Lib/mailbox.py
@@ -701,8 +701,7 @@ class _singlefileMailbox(Mailbox):
 try:
 os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
 except FileExistsError:
-os.remove(self._path)
-os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
+os.replace(new_file.name, self._path)
 self._file = open(self._path, 'rb+')
 self._toc = new_toc
 self._pending = False

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 29/07/2018 15:21, Jeremy Kloth wrote:

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 3:13 AM Tim Golden  wrote:

For an example:

http://tjg.org.uk/test.log


Thank you!  After inspecting all the errors, it does seem that they
are ALL caused by "bare" os.unlink/rmdir calls.  So it seems that a
massive undertaking of ferreting out these locations and replacing
them with their support equivalents would be needed to have a passing
test suite for you.


Thanks for checking. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I propose 
to go through and apply support.unlink where necessary. It won't make 
things any worse and will hopefully improve in some areas.


For test_mailbox I've experimentally implemented a hybrid tempfile / 
local directory solution. ie I've created a new file on each run, but 
only within the python_ folder which already exists. As long as the 
directory cleans up there should be no leftovers. That's certainly 
helped although my re-run harness has provoked at least one error.


TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[eryk sun]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Jeremy Kloth  wrote:
>
>  try:
>  os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
>  except FileExistsError:
> -os.remove(self._path)
> +temp_name = _create_temporary_name(self._path)
> +os.rename(self._path, temp_name)
>  os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
> +os.remove(temp_name)

This should call os.replace to allow the file system to replace the
existing file.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[eryk sun]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Steve Dower  wrote:
>
> One additional thing that may help (if support.unlink doesn't already do it)
> is to rename the file before deleting it. Renames are always possible even
> with open handles, and then you can create a new file at the original name.

Renaming open files typically fails with a sharing violation (32).
Most programs open files with read and write sharing but not delete
sharing. This applies to Python, except temporary files (i.e.
os.O_TEMPORARY) do share delete access. Renaming a file is effectively
adding a new link and deleting the old link, so it requires opening
the file with delete access. Also, renaming a directory that has open
files in the tree fails with access denied (5).
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 3:13 AM Tim Golden  wrote:
> For an example:
>
> http://tjg.org.uk/test.log

Thank you!  After inspecting all the errors, it does seem that they
are ALL caused by "bare" os.unlink/rmdir calls.  So it seems that a
massive undertaking of ferreting out these locations and replacing
them with their support equivalents would be needed to have a passing
test suite for you.

Unfortunately, test_mailbox is failing due to the same fate, but
within the stdlib itself.  The fix for that will probably need to be a
rename/delete dance.

diff --git a/Lib/mailbox.py b/Lib/mailbox.py
index 056251d..23662f2 100644
--- a/Lib/mailbox.py
+++ b/Lib/mailbox.py
@@ -701,8 +701,10 @@ class _singlefileMailbox(Mailbox):
 try:
 os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
 except FileExistsError:
-os.remove(self._path)
+temp_name = _create_temporary_name(self._path)
+os.rename(self._path, temp_name)
 os.rename(new_file.name, self._path)
+os.remove(temp_name)
 self._file = open(self._path, 'rb+')
 self._toc = new_toc
 self._pending = False
@@ -2112,11 +2114,14 @@ def _create_carefully(path):
 finally:
 os.close(fd)

+def _create_temporary_name(path):
+"""Create a temp filename based on path."""
+return '%s.%s.%s.%s' % (path, int(time.time()), socket.gethostname(),
+os.getpid())
+
 def _create_temporary(path):
 """Create a temp file based on path and open for reading and writing."""
-return _create_carefully('%s.%s.%s.%s' % (path, int(time.time()),
-  socket.gethostname(),
-  os.getpid()))
+return _create_carefully(_create_temporary_name(path))

 def _sync_flush(f):
 """Ensure changes to file f are physically on disk."""


-- 
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[eryk sun]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:
>
> For an example:
>
> http://tjg.org.uk/test.log
>
> Thinkpad T420, 4Gb, i5, SSD
>
> Recently rebuilt and reinstalled: Win10, VS2017, TortoiseGit, standard
> Windows Antimalware, usual developer tools. That particular run was done
> with the laptop unattended (ie nothing else going on at the front end).
> But the problem is certainly not specific to this laptop.

On my last run I had one test directory that wasn't removed properly,
but nothing like the flood of EACCES and ERROR_ACCES_DENIED errors you
have in that log. Then again, I had Defender disabled by policy. I'll
enable it and add exceptions for my source and build directories, and
see how it goes.

It would be nice if OSError instances always captured the last Windows
error and NT status values when instantiated. We have no guarantees
that these values are valid, but in many contexts they are. In the
case of a test log, it would certainly help to clarify errors without
having to individually investigate each one.

For example, trying to open a directory as a file is a common error,
but all Python tells us on Windows is that it failed with EACCES. In
this case the last Windows error is ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED, which doesn't
help, but the last NT status code is STATUS_FILE_IS_A_DIRECTORY
(0xc0ba).
Here's a file opener that adds last_winerror and last_ntstatus values.

import os
ntdll = ctypes.WinDLL('ntdll')
kernel32 = ctypes.WinDLL('kernel32')

def nt_opener(path, flags):
try:
return os.open(path, flags)
except OSError as e:
last_ntstatus = ntdll.RtlGetLastNtStatus()
last_winerror = kernel32.GetLastError()
e.last_ntstatus = last_ntstatus & 2**32 - 1
e.last_winerror = (last_winerror if e.winerror is None
else e.winerror)
if e.errno is not None or e.winerror is not None:
# hack the last error/status into the error message
e.strerror = '[Last NtStatus {:#08x}] {}'.format(
e.last_ntstatus, e.strerror or '')
if e.winerror is None:
e.strerror = '[Last WinError {}] {}'.format(
e.last_winerror, e.strerror or '')
raise e from None

Opening a directory as a file:

>>> open('C:/Windows', opener=nt_opener)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "", line 1, in 
  File "", line 17, in nt_opener
  File "", line 3, in nt_opener
PermissionError: [Errno 13] [Last WinError 5] [Last NtStatus 0xc0ba]
Permission denied: 'C:/Windows'
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Steve Dower]

On 29Jul2018 0958, Tim Golden wrote:
In the interests of trying to keep a focus to the changes I'm making, I 
propose to start again by, as you suggest, making use of 
test.support.unlink where it's not currently used. From the evidence I 
don't believe that will solve every problem I'm seeing but it should 
certainly reduce them.


One additional thing that may help (if support.unlink doesn't already do 
it) is to rename the file before deleting it. Renames are always 
possible even with open handles, and then you can create a new file at 
the original name.


Cheers,
Steve
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 28/07/2018 22:17, Jeremy Kloth wrote:

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 11:20 AM Tim Golden  wrote:

Although things have moved on since that discussion and
test.support.unlink has grown some extra legs, all it's done really is
to push the bump along the carpet for a bit. I've got a newly-installed
Win10 machine with the typical MS Antivirus & TortoiseGitCache vying for
locks with every other process. I've just done a full test run:

python -mtest -j0 -v > test.log


I, for one, would like to see that log.  The issues you are have are
fairly unique.  Just check out the buildbot status page.  I know that
some of the workers are somewhat limited, but my worker
(https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/workers/12) is running on dedicated
hardware.  Before https://bugs.python.org/issue15496 was applied, the
errors you describe were indeed happening, but no longer.


For an example:

http://tjg.org.uk/test.log

Thinkpad T420, 4Gb, i5, SSD

Recently rebuilt and reinstalled: Win10, VS2017, TortoiseGit, standard 
Windows Antimalware, usual developer tools. That particular run was done 
with the laptop unattended (ie nothing else going on at the front end).

But the problem is certainly not specific to this laptop.

TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 29/07/2018 02:04, Jeremy Kloth wrote:

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 6:43 PM Brett Cannon 
wrote:

If Windows doesn't clean up its temp directory on a regular basis
then that doesn't suggest to me not to use tempfile, but instead
that the use of tempfile still needs to clean up after itself. And
if there is a lacking feature in tempfile then we should add it
instead of a avoiding the module.


Mind you, this is mentioned in the confines of the test harness
where just about anything can happen (and usually does!).  Something
that cannot be coded against using just tempfile is cleanup on
process abort.  The per-process-directory approach handles this
case.

I would think it is desired to have no leftovers after running the 
test harness (especially in regards to the buildbots).


Now, I'm not sure the exact cause of all of the leftovers in the
TEMP directory, but it is definitely something that is currently
happening (and shouldn't be).  It is not exactly the easiest of tasks
to track the file usage of every test in the test suite.  It is
certainly easier to replace usages of os.unlink with
test.support.unlink within the test suite.


In the interests of trying to keep a focus to the changes I'm making, I 
propose to start again by, as you suggest, making use of 
test.support.unlink where it's not currently used. From the evidence I 
don't believe that will solve every problem I'm seeing but it should 
certainly reduce them.


I do there there's mileage in a wider change to revamp the test suite's 
naming and cleanup of temporary files but I'm very wary of trying to 
undertake what would undoubtedly be a sprawling and probably contentious 
change.


TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:15 PM Chris Jerdonek  wrote:
> Regardless of whether the tempfile or TESTFN approach is used, I think it 
> would be best for a few reasons if the choice is abstracted behind a uniquely 
> named test function (e.g. make_test_file if not already used).

+1, although my particular choice of color would be to add a pair of
functions, mkstemp and mkdtemp, to match the style of
test.support-wrapped library functions for use in the test harness.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Chris Jerdonek]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 5:40 PM Brett Cannon  wrote:

>
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 15:13 eryk sun,  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Jeremy Kloth 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > *PLEASE*, don't use tempfile to create files/directories in tests.  It
>> > is unfriendly to (Windows) buildbots.  The current approach of
>> > directory-per-process ensures no test turds are left behind, whereas
>> > the tempfile solution slowly fills up my buildbot.  Windows doesn't
>> > natively clean out the temp directory.
>>
>> FYI, Windows 10 storage sense (under system->storage) can be
>> configured to delete temporary files on a schedule. Of course that
>> doesn't help with older systems.
>>
>
> If Windows doesn't clean up its temp directory on a regular basis then
> that doesn't suggest to me not to use tempfile, but instead that the use of
> tempfile still needs to clean up after itself. And if there is a lacking
> feature in tempfile then we should add it instead of a avoiding the module.
>

Regardless of whether the tempfile or TESTFN approach is used, I think it
would be best for a few reasons if the choice is abstracted behind a
uniquely named test function (e.g. make_test_file if not already used).

—Chris



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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 6:43 PM Brett Cannon  wrote:
> If Windows doesn't clean up its temp directory on a regular basis then that 
> doesn't suggest to me not to use tempfile, but instead that the use of 
> tempfile still needs to clean up after itself. And if there is a lacking 
> feature in tempfile then we should add it instead of a avoiding the module.

Mind you, this is mentioned in the confines of the test harness where
just about anything can happen (and usually does!).  Something that
cannot be coded against using just tempfile is cleanup on process
abort.  The per-process-directory approach handles this case.

I would think it is desired to have no leftovers after running the
test harness (especially in regards to the buildbots).

Now, I'm not sure the exact cause of all of the leftovers in the TEMP
directory, but it is definitely something that is currently happening
(and shouldn't be).  It is not exactly the easiest of tasks to track
the file usage of every test in the test suite.  It is certainly
easier to replace usages of os.unlink with test.support.unlink within
the test suite.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Brett Cannon]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 15:13 eryk sun,  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Jeremy Kloth 
> wrote:
> >
> > *PLEASE*, don't use tempfile to create files/directories in tests.  It
> > is unfriendly to (Windows) buildbots.  The current approach of
> > directory-per-process ensures no test turds are left behind, whereas
> > the tempfile solution slowly fills up my buildbot.  Windows doesn't
> > natively clean out the temp directory.
>
> FYI, Windows 10 storage sense (under system->storage) can be
> configured to delete temporary files on a schedule. Of course that
> doesn't help with older systems.
>

If Windows doesn't clean up its temp directory on a regular basis then that
doesn't suggest to me not to use tempfile, but instead that the use of
tempfile still needs to clean up after itself. And if there is a lacking
feature in tempfile then we should add it instead of a avoiding the module.

-Brett

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[eryk sun]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Jeremy Kloth  wrote:
>
> *PLEASE*, don't use tempfile to create files/directories in tests.  It
> is unfriendly to (Windows) buildbots.  The current approach of
> directory-per-process ensures no test turds are left behind, whereas
> the tempfile solution slowly fills up my buildbot.  Windows doesn't
> natively clean out the temp directory.

FYI, Windows 10 storage sense (under system->storage) can be
configured to delete temporary files on a schedule. Of course that
doesn't help with older systems.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[eryk sun]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Tim Golden  wrote:
>
> I've got a mixture of Permission (winerror 13) & Access errors (winerror 5)

EACCES (13) is a CRT errno value. Python raises PermissionError for
EACCES and EPERM (1, not used). It also does the reverse mapping for
WinAPI calls, so PermissionError is raised either way. About 25 WinAPI
error codes map to EACCES. Commonly it's due to either
ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED (5) or ERROR_SHARING_VIOLATION (32).

open() uses read-write sharing but not delete sharing. In this case
trying to either delete an already open file or open a file that's
already open with delete access (e.g. an O_TEMPORARY open) both fail
with a sharing violation.

An access-denied error could be due to a range of causes. Over 20
NTAPI status codes map to ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED. Commonly for a file
it's due to one of the following status codes:

STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED (0xc022)
The file security doesn't grant the requested access
to the caller.

STATUS_DELETE_PENDING (0xc056)
The file's delete disposition is set, i.e. it's flagged to be
deleted when the last handle is closed. Opening a new
handle is disallowed for any access.

STATUS_FILE_IS_A_DIRECTORY (0xc0ba)
Except when using backup semantics, CreateFile calls
NtCreateFile with the flag FILE_NON_DIRECTORY_FILE,
so only non-directory files/devices can be opened.

STATUS_CANNOT_DELETE (0xc121)
The file is either readonly or memory mapped.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Chris Jerdonek]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:
>
> Here's the thing. The TESTFN approach creates a directory per process
> test_python_ and some variant of @test__tmp inside that directory.

I filed an issue some years back about this (still open):
https://bugs.python.org/issue15305
The pid is unnecessarily being used twice. Once the directory is
created for the process, there shouldn't be a need to disambiguate
within the directory further.

> But the same filename in the same directory is used for every test in that
> process. Now, leaving aside the particular mechanism by which Windows
> processes might be holding locks which prevent removal or re-addition, that
> already seems like an odd choice.
>
> I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly
> involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd
> naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone to
> come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN approach is
> superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of creating a new
> temporary file per test, no-one really has.

I think there is value in having the files used during test runs in a
known location. How about a middle ground where, once the
process-specific directory is created in a known location, unique
files are created within that directory (e.g. using a random suffix,
or a perhaps a suffix that is a function of the test name / test id)?

This would address both the issue you're experiencing, and, if the
directory is deleted at the end of the test run, it would address the
issue Jeremy mentions of growing leftover files. There could also be a
check at the end of each test run making sure that the directory is
empty (to check for tests that aren't cleaning up after themselves).

--Chris
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 11:20 AM Tim Golden  wrote:
> Although things have moved on since that discussion and
> test.support.unlink has grown some extra legs, all it's done really is
> to push the bump along the carpet for a bit. I've got a newly-installed
> Win10 machine with the typical MS Antivirus & TortoiseGitCache vying for
> locks with every other process. I've just done a full test run:
>
> python -mtest -j0 -v > test.log

I, for one, would like to see that log.  The issues you are have are
fairly unique.  Just check out the buildbot status page.  I know that
some of the workers are somewhat limited, but my worker
(https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/workers/12) is running on dedicated
hardware.  Before https://bugs.python.org/issue15496 was applied, the
errors you describe were indeed happening, but no longer.

> Here's the thing. The TESTFN approach creates a directory per process
> test_python_ and some variant of @test__tmp inside that
> directory. But the same filename in the same directory is used for every
> test in that process. Now, leaving aside the particular mechanism by
> which Windows processes might be holding locks which prevent removal or
> re-addition, that already seems like an odd choice.

Well, since every test (well, test file) is run in its own process, a
directory per process doesn't seem that odd.  You seem to be focusing
on 2 tests in particular, both of which have not been converted to use
test.support.unlink for removing.  The "trick" with
test.support.unlink now is that it waits until the file has truly
removed from the directory before continuing.  Using this, in turn,
would mean that following create *should* succeed without error.  If
test.support.unlink returns without warning, the removed file is
really gone.

> I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly
> involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd
> naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone
> to come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN
> approach is superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of
> creating a new temporary file per test, no-one really has.

*PLEASE*, don't use tempfile to create files/directories in tests.  It
is unfriendly to (Windows) buildbots.  The current approach of
directory-per-process ensures no test turds are left behind, whereas
the tempfile solution slowly fills up my buildbot.  Windows doesn't
natively clean out the temp directory.

Additionally, I'm working on a solution to allow the test machinery to
use a given directory for test outputs to allow for a RAM-backed
filesystem for temporary files.  With this, I've had the full test
suite (with -uall including bigmem) take ~5min.  Having some tests use
the Windows default test directory would break this.  It is simply not
feasible to have the entire Windows TEMP in RAM, but just Python's
test suite usage is small enough (<6Gb).

Another point, some tests require that the temporary filename resides
on the same drive as the source directory (discovered in developing
the above).  This means that, Windows development would be restricted
to the same drive as the user directory, if the per-directory approach
isn't used.

-- 
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 28/07/2018 17:27, Jeremy Kloth wrote:

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:41 AM Tim Golden  wrote:

1) Why are these errors occurring? ie are we dodging a root cause issue


The root cause is how Windows handles file deletions.  When a file is
removed, it is not immediately removed from the directory, instead, it
is simply marked for deletion.  Only once all open handles to the file
are closed, is it removed from the directory.  The most common cause
of additional open handles to a file is a antivirus scanner.


Thanks, Jeremy. I'm already aware of that. (If you look back at 
https://bugs.python.org/issue7443 you'll find me explaining the same to 
MvL some years ago). [In case the tone isn't clear, there's absolutely 
no sarcasm implied here. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm at 
least partly au fait with the situation :)].


Although things have moved on since that discussion and 
test.support.unlink has grown some extra legs, all it's done really is 
to push the bump along the carpet for a bit. I've got a newly-installed 
Win10 machine with the typical MS Antivirus & TortoiseGitCache vying for 
locks with every other process. I've just done a full test run:


python -mtest -j0 -v > test.log

and I've got a mixture of Permission (winerror 13) & Access errors 
(winerror 5). The former are usually attempting to open a TESTFN file; 
the latter are attempting to unlink one. Most of the Error 5 are 
os.unlink, but at least one is from test.support.unlink.


I understand the unable-to-recreate (virus checkers with share-delete 
handles) but I'm not so clear on what's blocking the unlink. IOW I think 
we have more than one issue.


Here's the thing. The TESTFN approach creates a directory per process 
test_python_ and some variant of @test__tmp inside that 
directory. But the same filename in the same directory is used for every 
test in that process. Now, leaving aside the particular mechanism by 
which Windows processes might be holding locks which prevent removal or 
re-addition, that already seems like an odd choice.


I think that was my starting point: rather than develop increasingly 
involved and still somewhat brittle mechanisms, why not do what you'd 
naturally do with a new test and use tempfile? I was expecting someone 
to come forward to highlight some particular reason why the TESTFN 
approach is superior, but apart from a reference to the possibly cost of 
creating a new temporary file per test, no-one really has.



If you are not seeing the RuntimeWarnings, then something else is amiss.


I think I've seen one RuntimeWarning in the many, many times I've been 
running through tests today.


TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Jeremy Kloth]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:41 AM Tim Golden  wrote:
> 1) Why are these errors occurring? ie are we dodging a root cause issue

The root cause is how Windows handles file deletions.  When a file is
removed, it is not immediately removed from the directory, instead, it
is simply marked for deletion.  Only once all open handles to the file
are closed, is it removed from the directory.  The most common cause
of additional open handles to a file is a antivirus scanner.

> 2) Isn't this what test.support.unlink is there to solve?

Yes.  If test.support.unlink doesn't succeed in removing the file, a
RuntimeWarning will be emitted.

> For (1) I'm putting together a test run using code which I originally
> wrote for https://bugs.python.org/issue7443 to force the issues out into
> the open.

These intermittent errors are tough as it is really just a matter of
timing. The faster the disk and the more loaded the CPU, the more
often these can occur, however.

> For (2), yes: test.support.unlink is supposed to solve that. But it's
> either not doing enough retries etc. or it's missing a trick.

If you are not seeing the RuntimeWarnings, then something else is amiss.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Tim Golden]

On 25/07/2018 16:07, Tim Golden wrote:
One problem is that certain tests use support.TESTFN (a local directory 
constructed from the pid) for output files etc. However this can cause 
issues on Windows when recreating the folders / files for multiple 
tests, especially when running in parallel.


Here's an example on my laptop deliberately running 3 tests with -j0 
which I know will generate an error about one time in three:


C:\work-in-progress\cpython>python -mtest -j0 test_urllib2 test_bz2 
test_importlib




[... snip ...]


[...] I wanted to ask first
whether there was any objection to my converting tests to using tempfile 
functions which should avoid the problem?


Thanks to those who responded here and/or on the two bpo issues I've 
already raised:


https://bugs.python.org/issue34239 -- test_bz2
https://bugs.python.org/issue34240 -- test_mmap

Two key questions have been posed in different ways:

1) Why are these errors occurring? ie are we dodging a root cause issue

2) Isn't this what test.support.unlink is there to solve?

For (1) I'm putting together a test run using code which I originally 
wrote for https://bugs.python.org/issue7443 to force the issues out into 
the open.


For (2), yes: test.support.unlink is supposed to solve that. But it's 
either not doing enough retries etc. or it's missing a trick.


To be clear: my motivation here isn't some housekeeping or modernisation 
exercise. I want to get a clear test run on a fresh build on Windows. At 
present I never get that. I'd be interested to hear from other Windows 
devs whether they have the same experience?


TJG
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Giampaolo Rodola']

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:48 PM Chris Jerdonek  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Giampaolo Rodola'  wrote:
> >
> > Being TESTFN a global name it appears not suited for parallel testing.
>
> It was designed for parallel testing though:
>
> # Disambiguate TESTFN for parallel testing, while letting it remain a valid
> # module name.
> TESTFN = "{}_{}_tmp".format(TESTFN, os.getpid())
>
> https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/aee632dfbb0abbc0d2bcc988c43a736afd568c55/Lib/test/support/__init__.py#L807-L809

Oh, nice, I didn't notice that, sorry.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Chris Jerdonek]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Giampaolo Rodola'  wrote:
>
> Being TESTFN a global name it appears not suited for parallel testing.

It was designed for parallel testing though:

# Disambiguate TESTFN for parallel testing, while letting it remain a valid
# module name.
TESTFN = "{}_{}_tmp".format(TESTFN, os.getpid())

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/aee632dfbb0abbc0d2bcc988c43a736afd568c55/Lib/test/support/__init__.py#L807-L809

> Windows makes this more noticeable than POSIX as it's more strict, but
> accessing the same file from 2 unit tests is technically a problem
> regardless of the platform. I don't think that means we should ditch
> TESTFN in favor of tempfile.mktemp() though. Instead the file cleanup
> functions (support.unlink() and support.rmtree()) may be more clever
> and (important) they should always be used in setUp / tearDown. For
> instance, the traceback you pasted refers to a test class which
> doesn't do this.

The "test_file" test method referenced in the traceback calls
os.remove(TESTFN) in finally blocks preceding its calls to
open(TESTFN, "wb"), and inspecting the method shows that it must have
been able to open TESTFN earlier in the method (the same test method
uses TESTFN multiple times):

https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/aee632dfbb0abbc0d2bcc988c43a736afd568c55/Lib/test/test_urllib2.py#L811-L830

So I think one should investigate what can be causing the error / how
it can be happening.

TESTFN uses the pid of the process, so it doesn't seem like another
test case could be interfering and opening the same TESTFN while the
"test_file" test method is running. On Stack Overflow, there are some
comments suggesting that in some cases os.remove() doesn't always
complete right away (e.g. because of anti-malware software briefly
holding a second reference).

--Chris


>
> In psutil I've had occasional Windows failures like this for years
> then I got tired of it and came up with this:
> https://github.com/giampaolo/psutil/blob/1b09b5fff78f705dfb42458726ff9789c26f6f21/psutil/tests/__init__.py#L686
> ...which basically aggressively retries os.unlink or shutil.rmtree for
> 1 sec in case of (any) error, and I haven't had this problem since
> then.
>
> I suppose test.support's unlink() and rmtree() can do something
> similar, maybe just by using a better exception handling, and all unit
> tests should use them in setUp / tearDown. I think this will diminish
> the occasional failures on Windows, although not completely.
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Giampaolo Rodola']

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:16 AM Tim Golden  wrote:
>
> I'm just easing back into core development work by trying to get a
> stable testing environment for Python development on Windows.
>
> One problem is that certain tests use support.TESTFN (a local directory
> constructed from the pid) for output files etc. However this can cause
> issues on Windows when recreating the folders / files for multiple
> tests, especially when running in parallel.
>
> Here's an example on my laptop deliberately running 3 tests with -j0
> which I know will generate an error about one time in three:
>
> C:\work-in-progress\cpython>python -mtest -j0 test_urllib2 test_bz2
> test_importlib
>
> Running Debug|Win32 interpreter...
> Run tests in parallel using 6 child processes
> 0:00:23 [1/3/1] test_urllib2 failed
> test test_urllib2 failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "C:\work-in-progress\cpython\lib\test\test_urllib2.py", line
> 821, in test_file
>  f = open(TESTFN, "wb")
> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '@test_15564_tmp'
>
> Although these errors are both intermittent and fairly easily spotted,
> the effect is that I rarely get a clean test run when I'm applying a patch.
>
> I started to address this years ago but things stalled. I'm happy to
> pick this up again and have another go, but I wanted to ask first
> whether there was any objection to my converting tests to using tempfile
> functions which should avoid the problem?
>
> TJG

>From my experience open() raising PermissionDenied on Windows often
means "file is already in use" as I think is this case. The same issue
exists for directories: https://bugs.python.org/issue33240.

Being TESTFN a global name it appears not suited for parallel testing.
Windows makes this more noticeable than POSIX as it's more strict, but
accessing the same file from 2 unit tests is technically a problem
regardless of the platform. I don't think that means we should ditch
TESTFN in favor of tempfile.mktemp() though. Instead the file cleanup
functions (support.unlink() and support.rmtree()) may be more clever
and (important) they should always be used in setUp / tearDown. For
instance, the traceback you pasted refers to a test class which
doesn't do this.

In psutil I've had occasional Windows failures like this for years
then I got tired of it and came up with this:
https://github.com/giampaolo/psutil/blob/1b09b5fff78f705dfb42458726ff9789c26f6f21/psutil/tests/__init__.py#L686
...which basically aggressively retries os.unlink or shutil.rmtree for
1 sec in case of (any) error, and I haven't had this problem since
then.

I suppose test.support's unlink() and rmtree() can do something
similar, maybe just by using a better exception handling, and all unit
tests should use them in setUp / tearDown. I think this will diminish
the occasional failures on Windows, although not completely.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Chris Jerdonek]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:
> One problem is that certain tests use support.TESTFN (a local directory
> constructed from the pid) for output files etc. However this can cause
> issues on Windows when recreating the folders / files for multiple tests,
> especially when running in parallel.
>
> Here's an example on my laptop deliberately running 3 tests with -j0 which I
> know will generate an error about one time in three:
>
> C:\work-in-progress\cpython>python -mtest -j0 test_urllib2 test_bz2
> test_importlib
>
> Running Debug|Win32 interpreter...
> Run tests in parallel using 6 child processes
> 0:00:23 [1/3/1] test_urllib2 failed
> test test_urllib2 failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\work-in-progress\cpython\lib\test\test_urllib2.py", line 821, in
> test_file
> f = open(TESTFN, "wb")
> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '@test_15564_tmp'
>
> Although these errors are both intermittent and fairly easily spotted, the
> effect is that I rarely get a clean test run when I'm applying a patch.
>
> I started to address this years ago but things stalled. I'm happy to pick
> this up again and have another go, but I wanted to ask first whether there
> was any objection to my converting tests to using tempfile functions which
> should avoid the problem?

Do you know what's causing the issue on Windows? I thought TESTFN was
designed to work for parallel testing, so it would surprise me if
there was a problem with it. Alternatively, if TESTFN should be okay,
I wonder if it's an issue with another test or tests not cleaning up
after itself correctly, in which case it seems like this is an
opportunity to track down and fix that issue. Switching to something
else would just serve to hide / mask the issue with those other tests.

--Chris
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Re: [Python-Dev] Tests failing on Windows with TESTFN

[Brett Cannon]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 15:16 Tim Golden  wrote:

> I'm just easing back into core development work by trying to get a
> stable testing environment for Python development on Windows.
>
> One problem is that certain tests use support.TESTFN (a local directory
> constructed from the pid) for output files etc. However this can cause
> issues on Windows when recreating the folders / files for multiple
> tests, especially when running in parallel.
>
> Here's an example on my laptop deliberately running 3 tests with -j0
> which I know will generate an error about one time in three:
>
> C:\work-in-progress\cpython>python -mtest -j0 test_urllib2 test_bz2
> test_importlib
>
> Running Debug|Win32 interpreter...
> Run tests in parallel using 6 child processes
> 0:00:23 [1/3/1] test_urllib2 failed
> test test_urllib2 failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "C:\work-in-progress\cpython\lib\test\test_urllib2.py", line
> 821, in test_file
>  f = open(TESTFN, "wb")
> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '@test_15564_tmp'
>
> Although these errors are both intermittent and fairly easily spotted,
> the effect is that I rarely get a clean test run when I'm applying a patch.
>
> I started to address this years ago but things stalled. I'm happy to
> pick this up again and have another go, but I wanted to ask first
> whether there was any objection to my converting tests to using tempfile
> functions which should avoid the problem?
>

I personally don't see any reason to block a move away from TESTFN since it
obviously has some inherent issues in parallel test running which means
flaky tests.
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