[Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Withers 

Hi All,

I want to work on these issues:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1823
http://bugs.python.org/issue1874

...and I'd also like to commit the patch I submitted with this one:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1974

How do I go about getting commit access?

When I do, I take it I work against the version of python I care about 
and then foreward port to the trunk and any other maintenence branches 
necessary?


cheers,

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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Raymond Hettinger 


[Chris Withers]

I want to work on these issues:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1823
http://bugs.python.org/issue1874

...and I'd also like to commit the patch I submitted with this one:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1974


Barry usually takes ownership of changes to the email package.
Do you have patches ready for him to review?



Raymond
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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Withers 

Raymond Hettinger wrote:


[Chris Withers]

I want to work on these issues:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1823
http://bugs.python.org/issue1874

...and I'd also like to commit the patch I submitted with this one:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1974


Barry usually takes ownership of changes to the email package.
Do you have patches ready for him to review?


Not yet for 1974, but given that I submitted a patch for this issue:

http://bugs.python.org/issue4308

...some months ago, and nothing has happened with it, I want to get a 
bit more pro-active, hence the question in the subject line ;-)


cheers,

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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Raymond Hettinger 


[Chris Withers]

Barry usually takes ownership of changes to the email package.
Do you have patches ready for him to review?


Not yet for 1974, but given that I submitted a patch for this issue:

http://bugs.python.org/issue4308

...some months ago, and nothing has happened with it, I want to get a 
bit more pro-active, hence the question in the subject line ;-)


Being proactive with that package probably means submitting
patches and waiting.  When there are active module maintainers,
other contributors (including committers) generally refrain from 
committing semantic changes and defer to the package owner
(effbot for ElementTree, Barry for email, Ippolito for json, 
Vinay for logging, Skip and Barry for csv, me for itertools and

collections,  Kurt for IDLE, etc).

The process can be maddenly slow (waiting for an owner to
have the time and inclination) but it has its advantages over
the long-term.


Raymond



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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Withers 

Raymond Hettinger wrote:


Being proactive with that package probably means submitting
patches and waiting.  When there are active module maintainers,
other contributors (including committers) generally refrain from 
committing semantic changes and defer to the package owner
(effbot for ElementTree, Barry for email, Ippolito for json, Vinay for 
logging, Skip and Barry for csv, me for itertools and

collections,  Kurt for IDLE, etc).


Right, so who looks after httplib?


The process can be maddenly slow (waiting for an owner to
have the time and inclination) but it has its advantages over
the long-term.


Okay, I guess I should just bug Barry then?

But still, no answer to my original question...

Chris

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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Nick Coghlan 
Chris Withers wrote:
> But still, no answer to my original question...

Largely, by being patient and waiting :)

As to what you're actually waiting for - usually for an existing
developer to suggest granting you commit privileges. The exact reasons
an existing developer may suggest that are many and varied - a
significant history of accepted patches is certainly one way, as is a
long history contributing to python-dev. Assisting with triage and patch
reviews on the tracker is another good one.

There are occasional exceptions, such as when a new module is adopted
for the standard library and the developer is granted commit privileges
to support that module, or when a new maintainer steps forward for a
somewhat neglected area of the standard library.

Mainly though, it's a question of "Hurry up and wait!".

Cheers,
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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Christian Heimes 
Chris Withers wrote:
> But still, no answer to my original question...

Hey Chris, long time no see!

Your question is covered by the developer FAQ
http://python.org/dev/faq/#how-can-i-become-a-developer. You can get
write privileges by providing a constant flow of good patches.
Eventually you get write access when multiple developers (or Guido
himself) think that you are ready for it. CPython has a stricter policy
than most other Python related projects.

Christian

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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Barry Warsaw 

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On Feb 27, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Chris Withers wrote:


Raymond Hettinger wrote:

[Chris Withers]

I want to work on these issues:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1823
http://bugs.python.org/issue1874

...and I'd also like to commit the patch I submitted with this one:

http://bugs.python.org/issue1974

Barry usually takes ownership of changes to the email package.
Do you have patches ready for him to review?


Not yet for 1974, but given that I submitted a patch for this issue:

http://bugs.python.org/issue4308

...some months ago, and nothing has happened with it, I want to get  
a bit more pro-active, hence the question in the subject line ;-)


Chris, are you going to be at Pycon?  I'm sorry I haven't had time to  
review email package changes.  I will try to take a look this weekend,  
but if you're going to be at Pycon perhaps we can find some sprinting  
time?


Barry

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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Brad Miller 
when I get to the step git svn fetch  I get the following error:
zsh-% git svn fetch
Permission denied (publickey).
Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed unexpectedly at
/opt/local/bin/git-svn line 1385


Is there a prerequisite that I get some kind of ssh key pair setup with the
svn repository?  I thought that was only for committers.

Brad

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Neil Schemenauer  wrote:

> I've revised my instructions on using the experimental git mirror of
> the Python SVN repository:
>
> http://python.ca/nas/tmp/git-notes.txt
>
> Stories of success or failure welcome.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Neil Schemenauer 
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:36:08AM -0600, Brad Miller wrote:
> when I get to the step git svn fetch  I get the following error:
> zsh-% git svn fetch
> Permission denied (publickey).
> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed unexpectedly at
> /opt/local/bin/git-svn line 1385
> 
> 
> Is there a prerequisite that I get some kind of ssh key pair setup with the
> svn repository?  I thought that was only for committers.

Sorry, the instructions don't work for read-only access.  I've
updated them.  You need to use:

git svn init http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk

for read-only access to SVN.

Regards,

  Neil
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[Python-Dev] Fwd: require python rpms for fc8

2009-02-27 Thread shashidhar velagandula 
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Subject: Fwd: require python rpms for fc8
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From: shashidhar velagandula 
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:38:43 +0530
Subject: require python rpms for fc8
HI ,


 2 or 3 different python versions are installed in my machine ( fc8 )  , I
have removed and reinstalled python-2.3.5 (tar archive only) for some
reasons , from that time onwards I was not able to use "yum " command , and
it is throwing an error as " problem importing one of the python modules "

bash-3.2# yum
There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:

   No module named yum

Please install a package which provides this module, or
verify that the module is installed correctly.

It's possible that the above module doesn't match the
current version of Python, which is:
2.3.5 (#1, Mar 20 2005, 15:45:23)
[GCC 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)]

If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to
the yum faq at:
  http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq


bash-3.2# python -V
Python 2.3.5


--> I tried to install the python through source but of no use , whatever
the python version may be , it is showing same error ,
I didn't get any python rpms form the site http://python.org/... even I
tried to use rpmbuild using python tar files , but it is giving error ,

[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ sudo rpmbuild -bb python-2.3.spec
Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.59931
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ LANG=C
+ export LANG
+ unset DISPLAY
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ rm -rf Python-2.3.5
+ /usr/bin/bzip2 -dc /home/shashi/redhat/SOURCES/Python-2.3.5.tgz
+ tar -xvvf -
-rw-rw-r-- shashi/shashi 36259840 2009-02-27 16:40 Python-2.3.5.tar
+ STATUS=0
+ '[' 0 -ne 0 ']'
+ cd Python-2.3.5
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.59931: line 33: cd: Python-2.3.5: No such file or directory
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.59931 (%prep)


RPM build errors:
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.59931 (%prep)
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ cp ~/Desktop/Python-2.
Python-2.3.5/ Python-2.3.5.tar  Python-2.3.5.tar.bz2
Python-2.3.5.tgz  Python-2.6.1/
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ cp ~/Desktop/Python-2.3.5.tar.bz2 ../SOURCES/
Crypt-OpenSSL-RSA-0.25.tar.gz
java-1.6.0-sun-compat-unregister-java-fonts.xsl  openssl-0.9.8j.tar.gz
java-1.5.0-sun-compat-register-java-fonts.xsl
jdk-1_5_0_14-linux-i586.bin  Python-2.3.5.tgz
java-1.5.0-sun-compat-unregister-java-fonts.xsl
jdk-6u6-linux-i586-rpm.bin
java-1.6.0-sun-compat-register-java-fonts.xsl
openssl-0.9.8g-9.12.fc9.i386.rpm
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ cp ~/Desktop/Python-2.3.5.tar.bz2 ../SOURCES/.
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ sudo rpmbuild -bb python-2.3.spec
Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72526
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ LANG=C
+ export LANG
+ unset DISPLAY
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ rm -rf Python-2.3.5
+ /usr/bin/bzip2 -dc /home/shashi/redhat/SOURCES/Python-2.3.5.tgz
+ tar -xvvf -
-rw-rw-r-- shashi/shashi 36259840 2009-02-27 16:40 Python-2.3.5.tar
+ STATUS=0
+ '[' 0 -ne 0 ']'
+ cd Python-2.3.5
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72526: line 33: cd: Python-2.3.5: No such file or directory
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72526 (%prep)


RPM build errors:
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.72526 (%prep)
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ cp ~/Desktop/Python-2.3.5 ../SOURCES/.
Python-2.3.5/ Python-2.3.5.tar  Python-2.3.5.tar.bz2
Python-2.3.5.tgz
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ cp -r ~/Desktop/Python-2.3.5 ../SOURCES/.
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$ sudo rpmbuild -bb python-2.3.spec
Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63171
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ LANG=C
+ export LANG
+ unset DISPLAY
+ cd /home/shashi/redhat/BUILD
+ rm -rf Python-2.3.5
+ /usr/bin/bzip2 -dc /home/shashi/redhat/SOURCES/Python-2.3.5.tgz
+ tar -xvvf -
-rw-rw-r-- shashi/shashi 36259840 2009-02-27 16:40 Python-2.3.5.tar
+ STATUS=0
+ '[' 0 -ne 0 ']'
+ cd Python-2.3.5
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63171: line 33: cd: Python-2.3.5: No such file or directory
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63171 (%prep)


RPM build errors:
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.63171 (%prep)
[sha...@shashi SPECS]$

---> My purpose is to run "yum" which will make use of the correct python
module it requires ,
Even I tried reinstalling the new yum packages but it is giving same python
module problem only

Plz suggest a solution to have a proper python version ( to run "yum"
command) which suits fc8 and to remove all the other available python
versions

Thanks & Regards ,
shashidhar
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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Withers 

Barry Warsaw wrote:
Chris, are you going to be at Pycon?  I'm sorry I haven't had time to 
review email package changes.  I will try to take a look this weekend, 
but if you're going to be at Pycon perhaps we can find some sprinting time?


Sure, I'm around for the whole conference once I'm done giving my 
tutorial. I fly out Monday 30th in the afternoon, so any time before then.


The one currently causing me to scream is why a MIME Multipart container 
which has a MIMText containing html and a MIMEBase containing a PDF 
added to it ends up with a Content-Transfer-Encoding of quoted-printable.
Should it even have a Content-Transfer-Encoding header given that it has 
no text of its own?


Where would I look to see where this header gets generated in Python 2.4.4?

(the problem is that this is in violation of RFC2045 and makes some MTAs 
do stupid things that result in blank messages arriving:

 http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-4428/geuxh?a=view)

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[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2009-02-27 Thread Python tracker 

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (02/20/09 - 02/27/09)
Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/

To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue 
number.  Do NOT respond to this message.


 2363 open (+33) / 14843 closed (+19) / 17206 total (+52)

Open issues with patches:   825

Average duration of open issues: 657 days.
Median duration of open issues: 394 days.

Open Issues Breakdown
   open  2337 (+33)
pending26 ( +0)

Issues Created Or Reopened (52)
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csv sniffer  02/20/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5332created  LambertDW   
  
   patch   

os.kill() inconsistency  02/20/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5333created  giampaolo.rodola
  
   

array.fromfile() fails to insert values when EOFError is raised  02/21/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5334created  zmedico 
  
   patch   

mmap can crash with tagname (on windows) 02/21/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5335created  ocean-city  
  
   patch   

collections.namedtuple generates code causing PyChecker warnings 02/21/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5336created  mbessonov   
  
   

Scanner class in re module undocumented  02/21/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5337created  mfoord  
  
   

Typo in Python/C API sect 1.2.1  02/21/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5338created  aydt
  
   

Typo in Python/C API Chapter 2   02/21/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5339created  aydt
  
   

Change in cgi behavior breaks existing software  02/21/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5340created  bkline  
  
   

A selection of spelling errors and typos throughout source   02/21/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5341created  marketdickinson 
  
   patch   

distutils removing old files, deleting unneeded old files from i 02/21/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5342created  illume  
  
   

remove or make work pdb retval and rv02/22/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5343created  rocky   
  
   

typo in what's new in 2.602/22/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5344created  quiver  
  
   patch, patch

cStringIO class name typo02/22/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5345created  qwjqwj  
  
   

mailbox._singlefileMailbox.flush doesn't preserve file rights02/22/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5346created  wRAR
  
   

SocketIO redefines RawIOBase.__del__ 02/22/09
   http://bugs.python.org/issue5347created  pitrou  
  
   

Documentation of format implies only strings and numbers are acc 02/23/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5348created  MLModel 
  
   

abstractmethod vs C++ pure virtual   02/23/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5349created  jaredgrubb  
  
   

Modification to "pairwise" in itertools recipes  02/23/09
CLOSED http://bugs.python.org/issue5350created  della

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: require python rpms for fc8

2009-02-27 Thread Aahz 
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009, shashidhar velagandula wrote:
>
> [...] 

python-dev is the wrong place for this kind of question, please use
comp.lang.python

In addition, it's not even clear what your question is, please see
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Re: [Python-Dev] How do I get commit access?

2009-02-27 Thread skip 

Christian> CPython has a stricter policy than most other Python related
Christian> projects.

Indeed.  I'd be willing to grant you checkin privileges for SpamBayes simply
because because Christian recognized you and you seem willing to roll up
your sleeves. Do you do Windows?  

Skip
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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Barry Warsaw 

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On Feb 27, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Neil Schemenauer wrote:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:36:08AM -0600, Brad Miller wrote:

when I get to the step git svn fetch  I get the following error:
zsh-% git svn fetch
Permission denied (publickey).
Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed  
unexpectedly at

/opt/local/bin/git-svn line 1385


Is there a prerequisite that I get some kind of ssh key pair setup  
with the

svn repository?  I thought that was only for committers.


Sorry, the instructions don't work for read-only access.  I've
updated them.  You need to use:

   git svn init http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk

for read-only access to SVN.


We should probably put these, and the Mercurial information on the  
python.org website, perhaps as siblings of the Bazaar information.  Or  
maybe it should all move to the wiki.


Barry

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Re: [Python-Dev] Attention Bazaar mirror users

2009-02-27 Thread Barry Warsaw 

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On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Mark Dickinson wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Barry Warsaw   
wrote:
This is now done.  Please let me know if you have any problems with  
the

mirrors.


Is the cron job that's supposed to update the bzr repository still  
running?
I'm getting 'No revisions to pull' when I do 'bzr pull' for the py3k  
branch:


Macintosh-3:py3k dickinsm$ bzr pull
Using saved parent location: http://code.python.org/python/py3k/
No revisions to pull.

...which is a bit surprising, since my last 'bzr pull' was a while  
ago.

Do I need to update something somewhere?

I'm using bzr version 1.11 from macports.


I think I have this fixed now.  The branch updater is running on  
dinsdale now, but I'm currently staggering it, so that every 5 minutes  
the 2.5, 2.6, trunk, py3k and 3.0 branches get updated in a round-robin.


Please let me know if you have any problems.
Barry

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Re: [Python-Dev] Attention Bazaar mirror users

2009-02-27 Thread Mark Dickinson 
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Barry Warsaw  wrote:
> On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Mark Dickinson wrote:
>> Is the cron job that's supposed to update the bzr repository still
>> running?
> I think I have this fixed now.  The branch updater is running on dinsdale
> now, but I'm currently staggering it, so that every 5 minutes the 2.5, 2.6,
> trunk, py3k and 3.0 branches get updated in a round-robin.

Seems to be working for me.  Thanks!

Mark
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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Brett Cannon 
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:00, Barry Warsaw  wrote:

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> On Feb 27, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
>
>  On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:36:08AM -0600, Brad Miller wrote:
>>
>>> when I get to the step git svn fetch  I get the following error:
>>> zsh-% git svn fetch
>>> Permission denied (publickey).
>>> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed unexpectedly at
>>> /opt/local/bin/git-svn line 1385
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a prerequisite that I get some kind of ssh key pair setup with
>>> the
>>> svn repository?  I thought that was only for committers.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, the instructions don't work for read-only access.  I've
>> updated them.  You need to use:
>>
>>   git svn init http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk
>>
>> for read-only access to SVN.
>>
>
> We should probably put these, and the Mercurial information on the
> python.org website, perhaps as siblings of the Bazaar information.  Or
> maybe it should all move to the wiki.


Until we are willing to say these mirrors are not experimental all the
instructions should probably go in the wiki.

-Brett
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[Python-Dev] Patch Ready for review

2009-02-27 Thread Heracles 

I have a patch submitted, with docs changes etc.  The patch is to the curses
library module, and adds support for color_set, addchstr, addchnstr,
mvaddchstr, mvaddchnstr, mvwaddchstr, mvwaddchnstr, waddchstr, and
waddchnstr.

I am wondering what to expect next.  How long will it be before it is
applied etc.  This is my first attempt to submit a patch to Python.

Also, does anyone know who the main person is for running changes to the
curses library I wanted to get guidance for implementing support for family
of functions newterm, set_term, reset_term.  The main question I have is to
support these functions consistently, would it be recommended to implement a
new Python Screen object?
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Re: [Python-Dev] Adding support to curses library

2009-02-27 Thread Heracles 

Ok, 

I think I have followed the process and submitted the patch via bug tracker. 
I also note that you have made some minor changes to the issue.

The patch is ready for review and feedback.  Thanks for your help.




A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:52:29PM -0800, [email protected]
> wrote:
>> Are you up for helping a little more?
> 
> Sure, but please open an issue on http://bugs.python.org for this;
> back-and-forth over a particular patch is done in the bug tracker, not
> the python-dev mailing list.  http://www.python.org/dev/ discusses how
> development is done.
> 
> We also don't send around modified
> copies of entire files; http://www.python.org/dev/faq/#patches
> discusses how to make patches.
> 
> --amk
> 
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Re: [Python-Dev] Patch Ready for review

2009-02-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis 
> I am wondering what to expect next.  How long will it be before it is
> applied etc.  This is my first attempt to submit a patch to Python.

Unfortunately, it may take any time between a day and five years, see
below.

> Also, does anyone know who the main person is for running changes to the
> curses library I wanted to get guidance for implementing support for family
> of functions newterm, set_term, reset_term.

The curses module is largely unmaintained; nobody is really responsible
for it (my feeling is that it also has fairly few users). Use "svn log"
to find out what people have been making changes over time; if the
commit messages indicate that they had applied patches from the bug
tracker, also try to recognize any regular non-commit contributors.

Regards,
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Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule

2009-02-27 Thread Antoine Pitrou 
Benjamin,

> > You might also want to collect a list of serious changes that you want
> > in this release; I know I/O in C is on the list (and without it I
> > wouldn't consider it worth releasing) but there may be others. The
> > developers of such features ought to be on board with delivering their
> > code before the first beta.
> 
> I've started a list on the release PEP [1].
> 
> [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0375/

I think you could add "update json package to reflect the current simplejson
version" (see http://bugs.python.org/issue4136).

cheers

Antoine.


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Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule

2009-02-27 Thread Raymond Hettinger 



> You might also want to collect a list of serious changes that you want
> in this release; I know I/O in C is on the list (and without it I
> wouldn't consider it worth releasing) but there may be others. The
> developers of such features ought to be on board with delivering their
> code before the first beta.

I've started a list on the release PEP [1].

[1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0375/


I think you could add "update json package to reflect the current simplejson
version" (see http://bugs.python.org/issue4136).


Also, I'm expecting that ordered dictionaries will be ready:
  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0372/



Raymond


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Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule

2009-02-27 Thread Benjamin Peterson 
2009/2/27 Raymond Hettinger :
>
>>> > You might also want to collect a list of serious changes that you want
>>> > in this release; I know I/O in C is on the list (and without it I
>>> > wouldn't consider it worth releasing) but there may be others. The
>>> > developers of such features ought to be on board with delivering their
>>> > code before the first beta.
>>>
>>> I've started a list on the release PEP [1].
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0375/
>>
>> I think you could add "update json package to reflect the current
>> simplejson
>> version" (see http://bugs.python.org/issue4136).
>
> Also, I'm expecting that ordered dictionaries will be ready:
>  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0372/

Thanks. I've added these items to the PEP.



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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Barry Warsaw 

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On Feb 27, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:

Until we are willing to say these mirrors are not experimental all  
the instructions should probably go in the wiki.


Where's a good place for this?  I'm thinking three bullets under "Core  
Development" on this page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/


I certainly don't want to spend my weekend moving all the dev  
resources into the wiki, but I'd be willing to set up these bullets,  
move the bazaar pages to the wiki, and set up the redirect.  Then the  
hg and git folks can fill out there own links.


Thoughts?

Barry

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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread David Ripton 
On 2009.02.27 09:48:17 -0600, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:36:08AM -0600, Brad Miller wrote:
> > when I get to the step git svn fetch  I get the following error:
> > zsh-% git svn fetch
> > Permission denied (publickey).
> > Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed unexpectedly at
> > /opt/local/bin/git-svn line 1385
> > 
> > 
> > Is there a prerequisite that I get some kind of ssh key pair setup with the
> > svn repository?  I thought that was only for committers.
> 
> Sorry, the instructions don't work for read-only access.  I've
> updated them.  You need to use:
> 
> git svn init http://svn.python.org/projects/python/trunk
> 
> for read-only access to SVN.

I don't see any point to using Neil's complicated dual-remote git +
git-svn setup if you don't have commit access.  For that matter, as long
as Neil's git mirrors work well, I don't see any point to using git-svn
at all if you don't have commit access.

The whole idea of Neil's scheme is that you can use (fast) git to pull
changes from the git mirrors, and (slow but compatible) git-svn to push
changes to svn.  Neat and clever, but complex and possibly brittle.  If
you don't have commit access then you can't push changes to svn anyway,
so you don't need the git-svn half of the setup, so you should just
git-clone Neil's repo and be happy with the much simpler setup.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Brett Cannon 
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 14:19, Barry Warsaw  wrote:

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> On Feb 27, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
>  Until we are willing to say these mirrors are not experimental all the
>> instructions should probably go in the wiki.
>>
>
> Where's a good place for this?  I'm thinking three bullets under "Core
> Development" on this page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/
>
> I certainly don't want to spend my weekend moving all the dev resources
> into the wiki,


What do you mean "all dev resources"? I am just talking about your
experimental bzr page which is probably in reST which makes it a
copy-n-paste job into the wiki.


> but I'd be willing to set up these bullets, move the bazaar pages to the
> wiki, and set up the redirect.  Then the hg and git folks can fill out there
> own links.
>

Fine by me.
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Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule

2009-02-27 Thread Nick Coghlan 
Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> 2009/2/27 Raymond Hettinger :
> You might also want to collect a list of serious changes that you want
> in this release; I know I/O in C is on the list (and without it I
> wouldn't consider it worth releasing) but there may be others. The
> developers of such features ought to be on board with delivering their
> code before the first beta.
 I've started a list on the release PEP [1].

 [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0375/
>>> I think you could add "update json package to reflect the current
>>> simplejson
>>> version" (see http://bugs.python.org/issue4136).
>> Also, I'm expecting that ordered dictionaries will be ready:
>>  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0372/
> 
> Thanks. I've added these items to the PEP.

I should have a PEP (and implementation) ready for alpha 2 to address
the current discrepancy between contextlib.nested and actual nested with
statements:
http://bugs.python.org/issue5251

If you do add a reference to that bug report to the release PEP, mark
fixing it as a maybe though - with the associated PEP not even written
yet, I obviously still have some work to do to get the semantic change
approved by Guido and the rest of python-dev.

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule

2009-02-27 Thread Benjamin Peterson 
2009/2/27 Nick Coghlan  schrieb:
>
> I should have a PEP (and implementation) ready for alpha 2 to address
> the current discrepancy between contextlib.nested and actual nested with
> statements:
> http://bugs.python.org/issue5251
>
> If you do add a reference to that bug report to the release PEP, mark
> fixing it as a maybe though - with the associated PEP not even written
> yet, I obviously still have some work to do to get the semantic change
> approved by Guido and the rest of python-dev.

Ok. I've added it.



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Re: [Python-Dev] Duck-typing self

2009-02-27 Thread Sebastian Rittau 
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:32:09PM +0100, Sebastian Rittau wrote:

> I am curious why the following will not work in Python:
> 
>   class foo(object):
>   def bar(self):
>   print self.attr
>   
>   class duck(object):
>   attr = 3.14
>   
>   foo.bar(duck())

Thanks to everybody who has responded on-list or in private. Actually
Guido blogged about this design decision (among other things) in his
latest post to the "The History of Python" blog:
.

 - Sebastian
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[Python-Dev] Googlebot and the mail.python.org python-dev archive

2009-02-27 Thread Nick Coghlan 
Is anyone else having trouble getting the python.org mail archive to
turn up in Google searches for python-dev messages?

I prefer to use that archive rather than one of the multitude of 3rd
party archives when linking posts from PEPs and tracker issues, but for
the last few weeks I've had to go find the messages directly on the
archive pages rather than being able to grab them from a search.

Example search (note that the top python.org hits are from 2006, but a
3rd party archive has the discussion I was after at the top of the list):
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=inurl%3Apython-dev+contextlib.nested&btnG=Search

Searching the python.org archive specifically shows that the relevant
recent messages aren't in the search index at all:
http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:pipermail+inurl:python-dev+contextlib.nested&hl=en&filter=0

Cheers,
Nick.

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Re: [Python-Dev] Googlebot and the mail.python.org python-dev archive

2009-02-27 Thread Guido van Rossum 
I think the better syntax would be to add site:mail.python.org to the
query, but you're right, that doesn't seem to find recent messages.
Maybe the absence of a robots.txt file on mail.python.org could be a
partial explanation?

(Disclaimer: I may work for Google, and Google's first crawler may
have been written in Python, but I haven't the foggiest idea about how
our crawler works these days.)

--Guido

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Nick Coghlan  wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the python.org mail archive to
> turn up in Google searches for python-dev messages?
>
> I prefer to use that archive rather than one of the multitude of 3rd
> party archives when linking posts from PEPs and tracker issues, but for
> the last few weeks I've had to go find the messages directly on the
> archive pages rather than being able to grab them from a search.
>
> Example search (note that the top python.org hits are from 2006, but a
> 3rd party archive has the discussion I was after at the top of the list):
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=inurl%3Apython-dev+contextlib.nested&btnG=Search
>
> Searching the python.org archive specifically shows that the relevant
> recent messages aren't in the search index at all:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:pipermail+inurl:python-dev+contextlib.nested&hl=en&filter=0
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic 

On Feb 27, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
We should probably put these, and the Mercurial information on the  
python.org website, perhaps as siblings of the Bazaar information.   
Or maybe it should all move to the wiki.


Until we are willing to say these mirrors are not experimental all  
the instructions should probably go in the wiki.


That's fine, but I think the original poster has a point in using the  
word siblings.  Right now, only Bazaar is prominently displayed on the http://www.python.org/dev/


It's both in the menu on the left side and in the Source Code links in  
the main content.


A newcomer could think that Bazaar is the only DVCS python developers  
are experimenting with.


Supplying links for the Mercurial and Git experimental repos (or wiki  
pages about them) would put them at least on equal footing with Bazaar  
in terms of exposure.


In terms of technical merit they are obviously on a more than equal  
footing.  :-)


Zvezdan

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Re: [Python-Dev] Instructions on using git mirror

2009-02-27 Thread Neil Schemenauer 
David Ripton  wrote:
> I don't see any point to using Neil's complicated dual-remote git +
> git-svn setup if you don't have commit access.

Good point.  I will write another, hopefully simpler, set of
instructions for read-only access.

  Neil

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