Re: whoops: create a splash window in python
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Ron Croonenberg r...@depauw.edu wrote: is there a way, in python, to create a splash window and when the program has completed disappears by sending a msg to it? (I tried creating two gtk windows but gtk_main doesn't seem to return unless it gets closed.) It's really simple to do this in Dabo (which uses wxPython under the hood, but is _so_ much more elegant!). When you create your app, add the following two parameters: app = dabo.dApp(showSplashScreen=True, splashImage=/path/to/splash.png) That's it! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM, David C Ullrichdullr...@sprynet.com wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:22:20 -0700, sturlamolden wrote: On 25 Aug, 05:56, Peter Decker pydec...@gmail.com wrote: I use the Dabo Class Designer to visually design my forms. So what's you're point? :) Nothing, except lobbying for wxFormBuilder for anyone who still doesn't know of it. :) That's great. But do you know of anything I can use as a visual form design tool in wxPython? You mean you prefer the wxPython style of coding? No, I don't know what's available. Once I discovered that Dabo is the smart way to get all the benefits of wxPython without the ugly C++ style of coding, I haven't used raw wxPython. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Wolfgang Kellerfelip...@gmx.net wrote: The only framework that seems to be worth trying is Dabo. Unfortunately there's little documentation, and that's mostly outdated. To be honest, that was my biggest concern when I tried Dabo. However, after as small a learning curve as one could expect for any non-trivial tool, it seemed that if I wasn't sure what a particular way to do something was, the most obvious guess was almost always correct. Contrast that with developing in wxPython, which has quite a bit of documentation, which I constantly had to refer to, because the confusing and inconsistent design. There is a step by step guide on Google docs written by one of the authors that is a very helpful approach to using Dabo. The authors are also very active on the dabo-users list, and any questions are quickly answered. So I guess if you need a desktop framework in Python, I would strongly urge you to check out Dabo and not let the volume of documentation scare you off. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Stephen Hansenapt.shan...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. I have no idea why I'm pumping Dabo so much in this though I've never used it! I've used in fairly regularly for about 2 years now. I haven't had to write that ugly wxPython code for so long that every time I see examples on their mail list I wanna barf. Dabo is powerful, Pythonic, and strongly supported by its developers. Check it out at http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python for professsional Windows GUI apps?
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM, sturlamoldensturlamol...@yahoo.no wrote: On 25 Aug, 03:51, Peter Decker pydec...@gmail.com wrote: I've used in fairly regularly for about 2 years now. I haven't had to write that ugly wxPython code for so long that every time I see examples on their mail list I wanna barf. I prefer wxFormBuilder. GUIs should be designed visually whenever possible. I use the Dabo Class Designer to visually design my forms. So what's you're point? :) -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is the best framework or module in Python for a small GUI based application development?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM, John Fabiani jfabi...@yolo.com wrote: You might consider Dabo (www.dabodev.com) if access to data is required. You might also consider it if you like a simple, Pythonic UI. I don't work with databases, and I love Dabo for creating lots of utilities for interfacing with, say, text processing scripts, data analysis, or displaying the results of various web services. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Easy-to-use Python GUI
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Gabriel Genellina gagsl-...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: En Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:47:07 -0200, Joel Koltner zapwiredashgro...@yahoo.com escribió: Is there an easy-to-use, function-based cross-platform GUI toolkit for Python out there that's a little more sophisticated than EasyGui? Try Dabo http://dabodev.com/ +1 for Dabo. I tried just about everything listed by others before I found Dabo a couple of years ago. Since then creating the GUI for my apps is the easiest part of the process. Now I can focus on what my app is supposed to do, rather than how to get a certain widget to look the way I need it to look. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [wxpython-users] Dabo 0.9.0 Released
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: We are proud (and relieved!) to finally release Dabo 0.9.0, the first official release of the framework in six months. We haven't been taking it easy during that period; rather, we made some changes that clean up some weak spots in the codebase, and as a result can offer a much more solid framework, and are on course for a 1.0 release in the near future. Thanks for all your great work. I've been using Dabo for a couple of years now, and it just keeps getting better and better! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is there really no good gui builder
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM, azrael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whoever I ask, everyone tells me when it come to python and GUI-s and that there is the best way to use WX. I am browsing for the 10th time during the last year and I can still not bealive that there is not one project to make gui-building easy as maybe in VB for python. Each I tried was a pain in the ass when it comes to usability. The only descent one I've seen was Boa constructor, but also they have stoped in developing. Please tell me that there is at least something descent. I am freaking out that I need 5 times more time to make a GUI in python than in VB. You should really check out Dabo: http://dabodev.com. They have a great GUI designer that works interactively, and even allows you to create database-aware applications without having to know a ton about SQL. It's a very active and vibrant community, and the authors are amazingly responsive. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Database GUI generation from schema
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Eric Wertman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps are you talking about dabo ? http://www.dabodev.com Yes, that was it. Thanks! I was a little dissapointed to see that the wikipedia entry for that software was deleted. Is dabo not widely used? Depends on your definition of 'widely'. :) I know that there are several hundred subscribers to the dabo-users list. Perhaps if you asked there you might get a better idea of just how many people use Dabo. I'm curious about the Wikipedia entry. I read the deletion page arguments, but I don't know enough about how the editors decide these things to comment. I wonder what it would take to get it restored? -- p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGUI as a standard GUI API for Python?
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Palmer schrieb: As anyone knows, the state of Python GUI programming is a little fractured at this time, with many toolkits, wrappers and meta-wrappers dead and alive, with or without documentation. I've come across two projects that have the appeal of striving for simple, pythonic APIs: PyGUI and wax. The latter is a wrapper around wxPython. It is lacking documentation but actually quite usable and concise. The other, PyGUI, has an even nicer API and more docs but has relatively few widgets implemented at this time. It also strives for compatibility with several toolkits (two at this time), which I think is the right idea. I disagree with that. Meta-wrappers like this will always suffer from problems, as they have difficulties providing a consistent api. For example wx is said to be very windows-toolkit-centric in it's API. Yes I know that it works under Linux with GTK, but it does not come as natural . With all due respect, it seems like you are not terribly familiar with wxPython. It uses the native UI toolkit for each platform wherever possible: Aqua on OS X; MFC on Windows and Gtk on Linux. Applications tend to look 'natural' on each platform, rather than uniform across platforms, and I believe that this is what most people prefer. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGUI as a standard GUI API for Python?
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You got me wrong. I didn't say it doesn't use the native toolkit under various OSes, I'm well aware of that it does. What I *did* say was that wx API is designed primarily with windows' toolkit as base, and as a consequence the API tends to be less functional for other toolkits, making it harder to work with it. As the OP was after a one API to rule them all for GUIs, I pointed that out. See for example this (arguably somewhat dated) post that illustrates my point: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-March/313354.html OK, that's a little clearer. That's one of the things that I like about Dabo - it gets rid of the ugly (IMO) wxPython API and replaces it with a much more consistent (and, IMO) more Pythonic API. I hated coding in wx, but I love coding in Dabo. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there no single/uniform RDBMS access API module for Python ?
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Banibrata Dutta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on this URL http://wiki.python.org/moin/DatabaseInterfaces , is it correct to conclude that there is no RDBMS agnostic, single/uniform DB access API for Python ? Something in the lines of JDBC for Java, DBD for Perl etc. ? How is the RDBMS change handled for solutions which need to work with different RDBMSs ?? http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/ That appears to be only an API specification. Are there any implementations of that ? You might want to take a look at Dabo (http://dabodev.com). They have a backend-agnostic interface for working with different databases. I don't do database apps myself, so I can't comment on how well it works, but based on the comments of others on the Dabo email lists, it seems as though it works well enough. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How is GUI programming in Python?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Chris Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always had an interest in Python and would like to dabble in it further. I've worked on a few very small command line programs but nothing of any complexity. I'd like to build a really simple GUI app that will work across Mac, Windows, and Linux. How painful is that going to be? I used to be really familiar with Java Swing a few years ago. I imagine it will be similar. Next, what would you say is the best framework I should look into? I'm curious to hear opinions on that. I've found wxPython to be the best all-around choice: it looks right on Mac, Win and Gtk/Linux, as it uses native controls. The one downside is that its C++ roots show, and make for somewhat ugly and unPythonic code. I've been using the Dabo framework (http://dabodev.com) for over a year now, and it's great. They use wxPython for the UI, but wrap it in a consistent and intelligent layer that makes development much simpler and straightforward. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need Help Starting Out
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10 AM, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin. I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what all technologies to use. I saw references to plain Python, Django, and other things. I want to use it for web building with database access. What do I use for that? Does it matter what I use on the client side (mootools, or whatever)? If you are going to be developing web applications, there are many excellent frameworks available, all of which provide database support. If you are looking to develop desktop applications, you should check out Dabo (http://dabodev.com). They integrate data access and GUI controls, making it simple to create database apps. They use wxPython for the UI layer, but hide all of its ugliness, allowing you to program to a clean, consistent API for your GUI. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Where's GUI for Python?
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should also take a look at wxGlade: http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/ which sits on top of wxPython: http://wxpython.org/ which wraps wxWidgets: http://www.wxwindows.org/ I have used wxGlade, and while it worked well enough, it didn't seem to fit my brain. I always found myself thinking backwards in order to guess how the tool needed me to do things. I've found that wxGlade is more usable, currently, than Dabo in it's visual layout tools that help you create the GUI for your apps. I didn't like that wxGlade generated code. If I later edited the code, I could no longer use wxGlade to refine the design. I've been amazed that so many people actually *like* working with wxPython-style code. I always hated it, and even tried a few times to make my own wrapper to insulate me from it (it was never very good). When I found out about Dabo, I took to it instantly and got much more productive very quickly. I was certain that everyone else would respond the way that I did. Obviously that's not what happened. I think that one of the reasons is that I never coded in C++, so the ALL_CAPS_CONSTANTS style and the whole getter/setter mentality seemed foreign to me. I'm a Python programmer, and don't have to switch gears when writing UI code anymore. I think if you like the sort of code that you need to use wxPython directly, you're probably perfectly happy to code at that level. For me, though, everytime I see raw wxPython code these days I cringe, and am thankful that I don't have to deal with it anymore. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Where's GUI for Python?
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:35 PM, K Viltersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm certain there is an API for creating GUI's but as far i can find it in the http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html the only gui is in Guido. Check out Dabo: http://dabodev.com It uses the wxPython UI toolkit, but wraps it in a much more Pythonic API. I've been using Dabo for over a year, and it rocks!! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Testing whether something is of type Exception
On Jan 24, 2008 5:14 PM, John Nagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell whether an object is of type Exception? At least in Python 2.4, Exception is an old-style class, and the type of Exception objects is instance. Clearly repr knows; it returns: exceptions.Exception instance at 0x00A30A80 isinstance(x, Exception) -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Yet another database question, please
On Nov 30, 2007 9:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 7:23 am, nmp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all. I am only just learning both Python and PyGTK (with Glade). I also need to learn how to use databases in my programs. My preliminary research leads me in the direction of SQLAlchemy, which seems to be what everybody else is using. So, does anyone have a good example that shows how to tie these things toegether? I would like to have the GUI dialogs and treeviews directly interacting with the underlying tables and/or views. [cough]Like Borland Delphi 1.0, in the nineties...[/cough] Another question: I found that in Ubuntu, I was able to install the Glade widgets for libgnomedb (libgnomedb3-glade3). Would these be usable with Python/PyGTK, too? As is too common, the documentation provided is somewhat scarce. Any sort of pointers or suggestions welcome, of course. You should try Dabo. It sounds like what you want to do and what Dabo does dovetails nicely. http://dabodev.com/ Dabo doesn't work with PyGTK, so if he goes with Dabo, he'll have to settle for a GUI toolkit that looks native on all platforms instead of just Gnome. ;-) -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Oh no, my code is being published ... help!
On Nov 30, 2007 1:19 AM, Tim Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also have a couple of instances of: print(Error Squeezing %s...) The parentheses serve no purpose here, and are unidiomatic. I thought that with the eventual dropping of 'print' as a statement in Python 3, that writing it this way (as if it were a print function) is preferred, since that will be one fewer thing to convert. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Very basic, sorting a list ???
On Nov 28, 2007 7:22 PM, stef mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: print 'xx3',ordered_list.sort() The sort() method returns None. It sorts the list in place; it doesn't return a copy of the sorted list. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need some help...
On 10/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to then have those numbers 13+4+1+7+5 added together to be 30. How can I do that? Also, just curious, but, how could I then have the 3 and 0 added together to be 3? Please help me out. Will you put our names on your homework when you hand it in? -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why doesn't have this list a reply-to ?
On 10/16/07, stef mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm always have great difficulties, replying to this beautiful and helpful list. When I hit the reply button, the message is sent personally to the sender and not to the list. I've subscribed to dozen's of lists, and all have an reply-to address, that points to list and not to the individual. Don't you write your applications so that the default behavior isn't what is expected? I'm writing this message to the *list*, not to you. Anyone who gets it only gets it from the *list*, not from me. Pretending that this message in your inbox is not from the list is just silly. The only people who defend this practice usually don't use the email interface anyway. They're also the people who whine about keeping replies on the list. But hey, we have to sacrifice the practical and useful in the name of enforcing some standards that make little if any sense. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cross-platform GUI development
On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is if Tix is old hat, what is the GUI toolkit I *should* be using for quick-n-dirty cross platform GUI development? I would heartily recommend Dabo (http://dabodev.com). It wraps the wxPython toolkit, but eliminates 99% of the hassle in dealing with the C++ feel of wxPython. And while it is supposed to be for database-related apps, it works great for UI-only apps, which is what I use it for. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: An Editor that Skips to the End of a Def
On 9/25/07, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does it choose to modify your position when you exit insert mode? Does the phrase broken as designed mean anything to you? Does the phrase everything I don't like is stupid mean anything to you? Honestly, if you don't like it, either propose improvement or stop using it (and complaining about it). Your preference with user interfaces is obviously different. (Personally, I prefer single strokes to breaking my fingers with Esc-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift. :) ) Does this non-Python related twaddle is boring the shit out of me mean anything to you both? +1 QOTW!! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python statements not forcing whitespace is messy?
On 9/15/07, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Machin wrote: On 16/09/2007 8:11 AM, James Stroud wrote: Steve Holden wrote: I don't know why you have a bug up your ass about it, as the Americans say. I think most Americans say wild hare up your ass. I guess I got the metaphor wrong? Maybe it's a Southern US thing. I've always heard bug used; somehow it doesn't seem that a wild hare would fit! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 3K or Python 2.9?
On 9/12/07, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TheFlyingDutchman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am talking about how an author describes in English the this pointer/reference in their book on programming C++ or Java. I don't think you will find them saying that under the covers this was passed to the method (if in fact it is). They just say that it refers to the current object inside that object's method. In other words, it's magic, and the behaviour has to be explained so the reader knows where the undeclared 'this' comes from. How is that preferable to the magic of instance is passed as the first argument to a method? So everything that isn't passed explicitly is magic? I suppose __builtin__ counts as magic, too? Define 'self' as a keyword, and its usage becomes no more magical than 'def' or 'break'. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Database intensive application
On 8/12/07, Rohit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a novice. I want to know whether Python can be used to develop client/server database and web applications like .NET. Which is the best book/source to learn Python? You've already gotten several excellent answers for web applications; if you need to create client/server desktop database apps, your best (and AFAIK, only) choice would be Dabo: http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: highly einteractive editor for python
On 7/10/07, Atul Bhingarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want to see is that it is possible to create a python based application in a environment where I can see the results as I am creating it, specifically gui widgets (from say TK). This will provide a robust mechanism to see gui layout as well. This isn't for Tk, but for wxPython-based development, but you might want to look at Dabo's visual tools. Their Class Designer allows you to visually develop your application's windows, allowing you to focus on coding the logic instead of having to guess how what your UI will look like. Check out the screencasts (hey, how else can you see the advantage of a visual tool?) at http://dabodev.com/documentation. The best ones to start with are the two on 'Building a Database App in the Class Designer'. They show some of the database connectivity stuff, too, but that's not required. I create apps without databases all the time with Dabo. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Restarting a Python Application
On 7/7/07, Kelvie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh.. this would be a repost for the OP, but I forgot to hit reply to all again. rant Imagine if you wrote applications where the default behavior did not do what was needed 99% of the time: how long do you think you'd be in business? The default behavior of replying to the original sender instead of the list makes no sense. I've read the purist arguments against replying to the list, but I subscribed to a *list*, not an individual sender. I know that this post is pointless, since the people who run this list seem to care more about abstract and misdirected notions of purity than making things as useful and intelligent as possible, but after seeing dozens of please keep your reply on list responses recently, I had to vent. /rant -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabbed windows Support in Python
On 6/27/07, senthil arasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Currently iam implementing GUI Framework for supporting Tabbed windows to render different HTML Pages. A row of tabs facilitated for navigation of pages. Iam expecting some classes like QTabWidget whick provided by Qt Libarary. After starting my implementation i came to know Tkinter not supports tabbed windows is there anybody to help me how to proceed further. Do yourself a favor and start off right: use the Dabo framework for your UI. You can get information about it at http://dabodev.com. You can use their Class Designer to create your tabbed windows visually instead of having to write code. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PEP 3107 and stronger typing (note: probably a newbie question)
On 6/21/07, Bjoern Schliessmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen R Laniel wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:59:28PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you should use another language. This is what I meant about knowing how Internet discussions go. I agree. I also notice that (rather newbie-) OPs with not-so-simple questions are easily offended by technical answers. I'd love to know why. Oh, c'mon. The OP was asking for an explanation, and got an indignant response. There is a world of difference between explaining *why* Python is the way it is, and getting the equivalent of a 4-year-old's Because! as a reply. To someone who admits that he is largely unfamiliar with the language, it would seem obvious that Python is lacking something that is important in other languages. An explanation as to why this would be Bad Thing for Python would be a helful response. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: visual gui ides for python/jythpn
On 6/20/07, kromakey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Are there any free visual GUI IDE's available for python/jython, which have a drag and drop form designer similar to Visual Studio or Delphi ? Watch these screencasts, and then check out Dabo: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment1.html http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironment2.html Dabo's site is http://dabodev.com. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dabo framework dependancies
On 5/22/07, daniel gadenne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm considering moving over to dabo for wxpython development. However I do not write traditional database applications à la foxpro (I'm a 20 years user of fox...) anymore. Only xml-fed applications. I'm a bit hesitant to jump onboard since dabo seemns to carry over its own lot of database connectivity dependancy. Can you reasonably use dabo for plain datafree application? That's exactly how I use it. I write apps that don't use database servers, and don't have any database programs installed. I just want the dabo.ui stuff, since it makes wxPython so easy to work with. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python and GUI
On 5/21/07, Paul McNett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shameless plug: consider using Dabo on top of wxPython - we feel it makes wxPython even easier and more pythonic, but admittedly there's a bit of a learning curve there too. Even though Dabo is a full application framework originally meant for desktop database applications, it is modular and you can choose to only use the UI bits... http://dabodev.com I second this. I used (and struggled!) with wxPython for over a year. The results were great, but I hated coding it. I switched to the Dabo UI wrapper, and stuff that used to take me a day to create is now done in an hour or two. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GUI tutorial
On 5/13/07, John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me in the direction of a good tutorial on programming python with a GUI? I'm just starting out with python and have written a few scripts successfully but would like to add a graphical front end to them to make it easier for my work colleagues, most of whom have never used a command line, to use. Take a look at the Dabo screencasts. They illustrate very well how easy it is to create GUIs using visual tools instead of in code. Of course, you can still create them in code if you like, but where's the fun in that? :) http://dabodev.com/documentation -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Trolltech QT OpenSource license.
On 10 Apr 2007 12:29:36 -0700, king kikapu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all, i am coming from the Microsoft (.net) world and at the quest of finding the right GUI toolkit that i can use from Python, i have two obvious choices to choose from: wxPython and Qt. Both are looking very good. Qt has Qt designer, a tool that really reminds me of the forms designers that we have in VS.Net.The productivity someone can gain from tools like these can be really astonished. There is another alternative: Dabo, which wraps the wxPython toolkit. It has a GUI designer, although not as polished as the Qt Designer. Check out some of their screencasts to see their tools in action. You can find them at http://dabodev.com/documentation -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Resume of Steve Snow : Database SQL Applications Programmer
On 4/4/07, stevesnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Please forward this work experience skills summary to your Database software development, MIS/IT/Software Department for review. -- Here is my full resume in Microsoft Word format. You forgot to include your spamming experience. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDE for wxPython
On 3/17/07, Ghirai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone suggest an IDE for wxPython? Or an IDE for TkInter? Don't know about Tkinter, but for wxPython, I would suggest Dabo. You get their visual tools, along with a more robust and consistent wrapper around the wxPython API. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language
On 19 Feb 2007 09:56:06 -0800, Mark Morss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good grief. I suppose it is Microsoft to whom we owe the idea that there could be such a thing as a GUI based programming language. Who do we blame for the idea that everyone in the world should be able to express themselves in perfect English without confusion? It was obvious what the OP meant. He's looking for something akin to VB, but in Python. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language
On 2/17/07, Stef Mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some examples: - Creating a treeview (like in the M$ explorer), with full edit capabilities and full drag drop facilities: Delphi takes about 40 lines of code (most of them even ^C ^V). - Creating a graphical overview of relations between database tables, which can be graphical manipulated by the user (like in M$ Access): Delphi 20 lines of code. I wonder what this costs in Python ? You really need to get your thinking straightened out. You can't compare Delphi to Python; Delphi is a product that uses Pascal as its language, while Python is a language. When you compare a product for a language to an entire language, it makes the rest of your arguments look silly. BTW, you said you looked at the Dabo Class Designer - did you know that that tool itself was written in Dabo? The power is there. The fact that you couldn't completely understand it in a brief review says more about you than it does about Python, wxPython or Dabo. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Bush, yank bastards kicked by india in their arse Re: *POLL* How many sheeple believe in the 911 fairy tale and willing to accept an Orwellian doublespeak and enslavement world ?
On 16 Feb 2007 04:34:08 -0800, Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a racist malicious moron. You mis-spelled 'troll'. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language
On 2/16/07, Stef Mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In one of the other threads, Dabo was meant as a GUI designer, I tried it yesterday, and although it looks very promising, at the moment this is not a graphical design environment, just a complex (compared to Delphi) design environment with graphical feedback. Just my 2 cents ;-) Dabo is indeed a work in progress. They are developing the various tools now to get people started, but have plans for a full graphical IDE in the manner of Delphi or Visual Studio. You can complain that this free tool developed by volunteers in their spare time isn't as polished as a commercial tool backed by large corporations that can afford large paid staffs. Or you could contribute. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Correct db adapter
On 1 Feb 2007 02:13:01 -0800, king kikapu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one of the reasons that i started learning Python, is to NOT to be tied-up again with ANY company or specific product again (i had enough MS addiction over these years...). So, based on this direction, i am using pyodbc, which is DB-API2 compliant and i suppose that the code i write this way, will have little changes to use another db in the future. I don't know if this product will meet your needs, but I've read recently on the Dabo list that they've added support for Microsoft SQL Server. I don't work with databases, so I have no idea how this might compare to what you're looking at, but I do know that in general their code is solid and the authors are responsive. So you might want to check out Dabo: http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: My python programs need a GUI, wxPython or PyQt4?
On 1/23/07, Daniel Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I've reached the point where my building pipeline tools actually needs to be used by other people in my company. By this reason I actually need to think about the usability, and I've come to the conclusion that I need a GUI. So, which of the two packages should I learn, and which one is easier to pick up? Thanks in advance! I strongly prefer the look and feel of wxPython, but I have to write apps that run on Windows and Linux, and wxPython looks great on both. If you do go with wxPython, I'd strongly recommend using the Dabo framework, as they wrap the raw and somewhat ugly wxPython code (inherited from its C++ roots) into something much more Pythonic and consistent. Apps that took me all day in wxPython take me a couple of hours using the dabo.ui module. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Projects anyone?
On 16 Jan 2007 04:07:50 -0800, placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for anyone who is working on a project at the moment that needs help (volunteer). The last project i worked on personally was screen-scraping MySpace profiles (read more at the following link) http://placid.programming.projects.googlepages.com/screen-scrapingmyspaceprofiles but that didn't go all to well, so im kinda bored and need something to do, with Python. So any suggestions anyone? I know the Dabo folks (http://dabodev.com) are always looking for help, although that is not a simple one-trick project, so it might not be what you're looking for. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to invoke parent's method?
On 7 Jan 2007 01:33:32 -0800, Frank Millman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The essential point is that you save a reference to the frame when you create the panel. Then when the button is clicked you can use the reference to call the frame's Close method. Or you could look into Dabo. This is one of those common needs that has been built into the framework. Any object on a form (a wx.Frame) can simple reference 'self.Form' to get a reference to the containing frame. Controls that are contained within other controls (such as inside panels or notebook pages) can always reference that container with 'self.Parent'. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: DOS, UNIX and tabs
On 1/1/07, Tom Plunket [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm also weird, but I use a variable-pitch font when programming in Python. So a tab equals some number of spaces really isn't useful to me. My setup is, tab equals this much space. A year ago I would have thought you were weird, but after reading a post by Ed Leafe, one of the creators of Dabo about using proportional fonts for readability, I thought I'd try it out, thinking that it was pretty wacky. Turns out that after a very brief adjustment period, I liked it! I've been using proportional fonts ever since, and have found only one drawback: code that is indented with spaces looks butt-ugly. I'm glad I switched to tabs for my code. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Stani's Python Editor - questions
On 12/21/06, Franz Steinhaeusler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does not work for me! I'm getting messages like this: python:3255): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_container_remove: assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBARcontainer) || widget-parent == GTK_WIDGETcontainer)' failed python:3255): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_container_remove: assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBARcontainer) || widget-parent == GTK_WIDGETcontainer)' failed Same similar error messages with DrPy. I would try to update to a higher wxPython version and/or reporting this to the wxPython user mailing list. FWIW, this has been reported for ages on the wxPython list. It's a bug in the Gtk implementation that generates these scary-looking warnings, but doesn't seem to cause any real problems. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
On 12/17/06, Luc Heinrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as on the Apple Mac Crossplatform GUIs are a myth, you *always* end up with a lowest common denominator (aka Windows) which makes your application look like crap on other platforms. And when the toolkit/framework only makes it look like semi-crap, it makes it *feel* like crap. You're full of it. I routinely write GUI apps in Dabo for both Windows and Linux users, and they look just fine on both platforms. Using sizers is the key; layouts just 'look right' no matter what the native fonts and control sizes are. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
On 12/18/06, Luc Heinrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're full of it. I routinely write GUI apps in Dabo for both Windows and Linux users, and they look just fine on both platforms. Oh, I'm sure you do. Now go try to run one of your Dabo apps on a Mac and see how it looks/feels... : I don't have a Mac, although I would certainly like one. But one of the two authors of Dabo is a Mac user, and says that he does all his development on a Mac, and then tests it on the other platforms. Look at the screencasts on the Dabo site - most of them are recorded on OS X. Here's a hint directly taken from the Dabo homepage: It also suffers from the same display limitations on some platforms (most notably OS X), but these should improve as the underlying toolkits improve. OK, it's true: you don't have 100% access to the lickable Aqua stuff that a Cocoa app might be able to use. But paged controls use native Aqua tabs; progress bars are native Aqua bars, buttons are native Aqua buttons... Perfect? Of course not. But stating that it sucks is a load of crap. Using sizers is the key; layouts just 'look right' no matter what the native fonts and control sizes are. No, sizers are a tiny part of a much bigger problem. Sizers might be the key to solve parts of the look problem, they don't address any of the feel problem. Huh? Based on what I've seen on the screencasts, the apps look better on the Mac than they do on XP. How should I judge how they feel? SIzers automatically take care of font metric differences and native control size differences. But you clearly have a point here, so let me rephrase: Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. UNLESS you only target the lowest common denominator, aka Windows and its Linux followers. Now, the OP *explicitely* said that [his] requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as on the Apple Mac, so the rephrasing does not apply in this case. So here's a last try: Well, I don't think *anything* looks as good on Windows as it does on a Mac, whether it is from a platform-specific toolkit such as Winforms or a cross-platform toolkit like wxPython. If you want it to look as good on Windows, you'll have to use VNC or something like that. Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. ESPECIALLY if one of your target is Mac OS. Such self-important pronouncements would be better received if you brought them down the mountain on stone tablets. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application
On 12/16/06, The Night Blogger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like WinForms) shrink wrap application My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as on the Apple Mac For my money (even though it's free!), you can't beat Dabo. It uses the wxPython UI toolkit, so it looks great on Mac and Windows (Linux, too), since it uses native UI widgets on each platform. They even have tools to design your visual classes interactively. Check it out at http://dabodev.com. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python + database book
On 12/4/06, Giuseppe Di Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new to python. i work with db heavily. any good book for python + database? Evaluate http://www.sqlalchemy.org/ and his documentation If you are looking to work with desktop apps, you should also check out Dabo: http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: client/server design and advice
On 1 Dec 2006 10:37:39 -0800, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now...if only i could master python gui programming and development ;) You would short change yourself if you don't check out the other packages such as Pythoncard, and Dabo. FWIW, Dabo has all of the database connectivity stuff built-in. With PythonCard, you have to roll your own. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to choose the right GUI toolkit ?
On 9 Nov 2006 09:13:00 -0800, Dan Lenski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick and John S., thank you for the tip on wxPython! I'll look into it for my next project. I too would avoid Qt, not because of the GPL but simply because I don't use KDE under Linux and because Qt is not well supported under Cygwin or on native Windows. I too like to learn from actual printed books, so I'll check this one out. O'Reilly should do a book on Python GUI stuff! John H.: thanks for pointing out pythoncard. This looks like it might be an excellent substitute for LabView-like GUIs, which all my coworkers like. I personally refuse to read or write LabView code, on the grounds that its syntax causes severe brain damage and is completely unportable. But that's a flame for another thread, so to speak... You should also take a look at Dabo. Like PythonCard, it wraps wxPython, but it completely does away with the whole getter/setter approach, the ugly ALL_CAPS_CONSTANTS that wxPython unfortunately inherited from its C++ roots, and all those other non-Pythonic irritants. While Dabo is a complete 3-tier framework for developing database apps, you can just use the GUI tier. I don't do database stuff, and so I just use the dabo.ui module. Their URL is http://dabodev.com. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python GUIs comparison (want)
On 4 Nov 2006 08:23:40 -0800, Mudcat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that something else is *that* much better than what I'm already using. Does everyone agree that wxPython looks best on Windows? I've also read in a couple of places where Dabo looks pretty good as well. Dabo uses wxPython, so it looks exactly the same. The difference is in the coding: writing stuff in wxPython is like writing C++ code, while creating GUIs in Dabo is like writing Python code. Dabo also has a lot of tools for creating GUIs visually, but even if you don't use those, Dabo is a huge improvement over raw wxPython. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: wxPython TextCtrl - weird scrolling behavior
On 1 Nov 2006 04:54:32 -0800, abcd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the feedback, I am watching the screencasts, which are helping already. I think I will try out the Dabo GUI tool since it uses wxPython...and see if I can get the code I need from it. I think you'll be very impressed. Those guys are creating an excellent tool, and I've found that I can create pretty complicated UIs in a very, very short time with the Class Designer. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Handling emails
On 10/26/06, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree it's a pain, but Fulvio may not have it in his power to switch the header off. Mail admins do some incredibly stupid things. There is always the option to not send messages to this list using that mail server. I don't care what option is taken, so long as the useless and obnoxious headers on his messages stop. -- \ Lucifer: Just sign the Contract, sir, and the Piano is yours. | `\ Ray: Sheesh! This is long! Mind if I sign it now and read it | _o__) later? -- http://www.achewood.com/ | Ben Finney Ah, but obnoxious footers are OK, I guess. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python GUIs comparison (want)
On 23 Oct 2006 22:07:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. Can you draw a comparison among them on easy coding, pythonish design, beautiful and generous looking, powerful development toolkit, and sufficient documentation, .etc. It's helpful for a GUI beginner. Thank you. I've used several, and I think that Dabo (http://dabodev.com) is the best choice. Dabo is an entire application framework, but you can just use the dabo.ui parts if that's all you need. Then when you are no longer a beginner and you want to develop more complex apps, you won't need to change tools. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python GUIs comparison (want)
On 10/24/06, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wxPython: Pro: Popular, actively developed, wraps native widgets, looks great on Windows, commercial-friendly license Con: Based on C++ toolkit; docs assume knowledge of C++; some think coding style is too much like C++; complex to build and deploy on Linux (wraps Gtk) I agree with this assessment. I hated writing the code in wxPython, since it was very ugly, with tons of getters/setters lots of constants and ids WRITTEN_IN_ALL_CAPS. Yuck. That's why I think you and others are doing a grave disservice by ignoring Dabo. With Dabo, you get the best-looking toolkit across platforms (wxPython), but a clean, Pythonic API with none of the C++ crud. I've been a dozen times more productive since I switched to doing my UI code in dabo.ui, and even better, I don't have to constantly look up the names of the appropriate constants, etc. - the API is that much more consistent. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python GUIs comparison (want)
On 24 Oct 2006 16:38:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You load dabo and then load your program through dabo... That was all I needed to know to disregard it. Wow - inaccurate and proud of it! Your loss. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?
On 22 Oct 2006 02:40:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With some cleaning and improving, I think wax (http://zephyrfalcon.org/labs/wax.html ) can become good too. I looked at Wax, but the author doesn't seem to be too involved with it. It looks like a cool idea that he developed far enough to make it work, and then got bored with it. I mean hell, there isn't even a workable grid class that does anything differently than the wxPython grid does! Dabo's implementation is already llight years ahead of Wax, despite entering the game much later. When you've worked with lots of open source projects, you can tell which are actively being developed and which are dead or comatose; you can tell which have a growing community and which are stagnant; you can tell which are worth investing your time into learning and/or contributing to, and which are dead-ends. Wax feels like a real dead-end to me. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?
On 22 Oct 2006 17:26:55 -0700, alex23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you also tell when you're wrong? I checked out Wax last week for the first time; I hit a snag and got an answer from the lead developer within a day, along with a pointer to the latest dev version. But don't let communication get in the way of that six sense you've got going there :) I've been following Wax for over two years. You can count the number of new features that have been added to it in that time on one hand. Hans is a great guy and has written some great stuff, but Wax is but a small side project of his. I'm sure he'll support it excellently, but I don't think I would hold my breath waiting for him to him to release a grid that does, say, 1/10th of what the Dabo grid can do. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?
On 21 Oct 2006 08:26:56 -0700, sturlamolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That leaves you with wxPython (utterly ugly API, remninds me of MFC and Motif), PyQt (very expensive unless GPL is not a show stopper) or PyObjC. I too hated the wxPython API, but loved how it looked. And since I need things to run cross-platform (in my case, Linux and Windows), I held my breath and coded in wxPython, because the results were well worth it. Now that I've discovered Dabo, which wraps wxPython, hiding the C++ ugliness under a very Pythonic API, I have the best of both worlds. I get to code naturally, and the results look great. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book about database application development?
On 10/15/06, Wolfgang Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm interested in is rather how to connect a GUI to a database, with quite a bit of application logic in between. And how to do it well. You've described Dabo perfectly. Have you looked into it yet? It's written by a couple of database application developers. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: is there an easy way to create a database on the fly and let the user input values
On 12 Oct 2006 15:50:16 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dabo looks intresting but I am just looking for the simplist way and having to load from thier thing just complicates stuff. I could probily just use wx.grid but examples are scarce, I have seen some simple dbm stuff but this is an old book I am reading now You can't get much simpler than Dabo. The wx.Grid is a real PITA to work with, but the Dabo.dGrid wrapper makes things so much easier. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python component model
On 10/12/06, Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Decker wrote: I think you should take a good look at Dabo and the visual tools they are creating. Thanks for the hint, Peter. I've heard of Dabo and it's on my list of things to be inspected. Perhaps my postings have been misunderstood. I don't feel uneasy with Python. I'm using it since 4 years and know how to find the tools I need. But I feel uneasy with an excessive readiness of some c.l.p participants to accept Python as it is and even to react defiantly on friendly suggestions how to make Python a more obvious choice for newcomers. I think this is important for Python's survival. I think that Python is a 3GL. Dabo is a 4GL version of Python, in that its UI is part of its core API. Dabo is written by people with visual tools backgrounds, and they are definitely aiming toward that market. They are looking to the same niche that Visual Basic, Visual FoxPro, Filemaker, Delphi, and other similar products are addressing. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDE
On 10/13/06, Theerasak Photha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/13/06, giuseppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the better IDE software for python programming? I like SPE. They really work the way I like to work. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Standard Forth versus Python: a case study
On 12 Oct 2006 04:40:32 -0700, Paul Rubin
http://phr.cx@nospam.invalid wrote:
Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
fun median {
var x = 0.
while( *p++) {
if( (*p) x) x = *p.
}
return x.
}
I count two variables, p and x.
Also, that finds the maximum, not the median. I had stopped examining
it after seeing it used more than one variable.
Um... isn't 'p' the list in question? There is only one variable used
for the calculation of the return value (yes, it's a maximum), and
that's 'x'.
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Re: Python component model
On 10/10/06, Peter Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python, a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new programmers. I think you should take a good look at Dabo and the visual tools they are creating. While I would be the first one to admit that they are not polished to the level of Delphi, they are pretty amazing for a couple of guys working in their spare time! If we could get more of the community to contribute to this project, I don't think that there would be any other RAD tool that would come close. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python component model
On 11 Oct 2006 18:56:30 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, an interesting tool. But to get more attention and developers, the project needs to be polished. really unattractive resources: http://dabodev.com http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DaboAudit Well, then, why not contribute? Or are you waiting for everyone else to do it for you? It really grinds my gears when people take something that involves hundreds if not thousands of hours of time that is offered to them for free, and then nitpicks on something completely tangential. If you want a polished website, then offer to contribute one! Don't whine about a couple of developers who are doing amazing things in their spare time while you're contributing absolutely nothing to the community. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python component model
On 11 Oct 2006 20:08:12 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then, why not contribute? Or are you waiting for everyone else to do it for you? I've contributed already (my contructive criticism). It's up to the team to react. Wow! What a contribution! Amazing that Dabo hasn't taken over the world with that sort of help pouring in! Anybody can criticize. It's easy to find fault; it's much harder to create something valuable. I saw the references to your being a troll, and thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. Guess I'm still too optimistic. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Where is Python in the scheme of things?
On 10/4/06, gord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a complete novice in the study of Python, I am asking myself where this language is superior or better suited than others. For example, all I see in the tutorials are lots of examples of list processing, arithmetic calculations - all in a DOS-like environment. What is particularly disappointing is the absence of a Windows IDE, components and an event driven paradigm. How does Python stand relative to the big 3, namely Visual C++, Visual Basic and Delphi? I realize that these programming packages are quite expensive now while Python is free (at least for the package I am using - ActivePython). You might want to check out Dabo. It's a framework written by a couple of guys coming from the world of Microsoft dev tools, and they seem to be targeting their visual tools to that market. Their website is http://dabodev.com. I've been using Dabo for a while, both with and without the visual tools, and it's amazing stuff. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Mega Newbie Questions: Probably FAQs
On 8/15/06, Zeph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Framework for what kind of apps? Web, native GUI, client-server, etc? MVC is an abstract architecture rather than a specific implementation. Even so, many implementations rarely employ a purely MVC design. Native GUI with some client-server abilities. Basically, it's a database-inventory sort of thing with some pretty intense reporting. Call it a productivity app--no need for intense graphics or massive computation. Fundamentally, what I want is to be able to distribute a regular app, mainly for the Windows market, but I also want to offer it to the Mac and Linux crowd--on one code base if possible. You should really check out Dabo. It is an application framework designed to create database apps in a really Pythonic way. Probably the best way to start is to check out the screencasts - they really show just how cool Dabo is. I'd start with the one on quickly creating a database app: http://leafe.com/screencasts/appwizard.html The rest of them are listed at http://dabodev.com/documentation. I've been using the UI module from Dabo for over a year, and it's rock-solid. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: TextCtrl focus events in wxWidgets
On 19 Jul 2006 04:55:24 -0700, Simon Hibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Millman wrote: Try self.PlantCtrl.Bind(wx.EVT_KILL_FOCUS, self.OnUpdatePlantCtrl) And Voila! It works. Many, many thanks. Any idea what is going on? Your first attempt used self.Bind, which binds the kill focus event of self to the method. This version binds the kill focus event of the *text control* to the method, which is what you want. I used to get bitten by this a lot, but now I've switched to using the dabo.ui module of Dabo to do my GUI stuff. It has the concept of binding changes in controls to update events, which was needed for database-type apps, but you can bind a control to any property of any object. You should really check it out if you need this sort of interactive updating in your app. http://dabodev.com. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Feed wxComboBox with dictionary/hash
On 22 Jun 2006 06:45:25 -0700, Roland Rickborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first question: how can a wx.ComboBox be fed by a dictionary? This is one of those annoying things about wxPython that made me so happy to switch to using the dabo.ui wrapper for wxPython instead. You can set up the dabo.ui.dComboBox like this, given a dictionary 'dd': cb = dabo.ui.dComboBox(self) cb.Choices = dd.Values() cb.Keys = dd You can then get the selected item via the StringValue property, or its associated key via the KeyValue property. That's it. Simple. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: using import * with GUIs?
On 5/31/06, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess if I'm going to learn a GUI, I might as well jump right into wxPython from the beginning. May I recommend that you take a look at the Dabo project? While they have a full application framework for creating database applications, you can easily just use the dabo.ui module, which wraps wxPython. This eliminates most of the C++ cruft that wxPython inherited from wxWidgets, and makes for a much more Pythonic experience. I worked with wxPython for a couple of years, and looked at Dabo based on a recommendation on the wxPython list. Since then, I haven't written a single app using raw wxPython; I use the dabo.ui module for all my GUI applications. It gives you all the advantages of wxPython, but it just works better. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
On 24 May 2006 15:26:12 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no particular affinity for Xah's views, but what does get up my nose is usenet Nazism. That's because you're clueless. Sounds like your one of those Bush ass-lickers who think that being different is a crime. Intelligent people can handle weirdos. It's only uptight jerks who want everyone to fall into line with state/corporate policy. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: John Bokma harassment
On 24 May 2006 15:54:56 GMT, John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And ain't it cool that reporting Xah's abuse might stop both? C'mon - admit it! you hafta be a Republican with a hardon for Bush! rof,lmao! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs are *MISUNDERSTOOD*, *EVIL* AND *STUPID*, end of discussion. (Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code)
On 19 May 2006 07:18:03 GMT, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you point at any significant body of publically visible Python code which uses tabs exclusively? All of the Python projects I've ever been involved with use spaces only as a convention (although as I pointed out in my previous post, some with more success than others). Dabo. http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs are *MISUNDERSTOOD*, *EVIL* AND *STUPID*, end of discussion. (Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code)
On 5/17/06, Andy Sy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If tabs are easily misunderstood, then they are a MISfeature and they need to be removed. I don't seem to understand your point in acting as a dictator. Therefore, you are a MISfeature and need to be removed. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code
On 17 May 2006 06:51:19 -0700, Bill Pursell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my experience, the people who complain about the use of tabs for indentation are the people who don't know how to use their editor, and those people tend to use emacs. In my experience, whenever there is a 'religious' issue like this, one side tends to be quick to pronounce the other as 'evil', and insist that everyone do things their way, while the other tends to feel comfortable with people having their own preferences. If I ever find myself on the side of the former, I always wonder if I'm missing something obvious. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs are *MISUNDERSTOOD*, *EVIL* AND *STUPID*, end of discussion. (Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code)
On 5/17/06, Andy Sy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Decker wrote: On 5/17/06, Andy Sy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If tabs are easily misunderstood, then they are a MISfeature and they need to be removed. I don't seem to understand your point in acting as a dictator. Therefore, you are a MISfeature and need to be removed. Is the above an example of how a tab-user exercises 'logic'...? Uh, I should know better than to try to educate, but FYI: using the same argument construction and having it reach an invalid conclusion suffices to show that the original construction is invalid, and thus the original conclusion is suspect. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code
On 17 May 2006 07:14:33 -0700, Bill Pursell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you unfairly snipped context on me. I was directly responding to the assertion that vi is unable to handle tabs well. I was *agreeing* with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs are *MISUNDERSTOOD*, *EVIL* AND *STUPID*, end of discussion. (Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code)
On 5/17/06, Andy Sy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, I should know better than to try to educate, but FYI: using the same argument construction and having it reach an invalid conclusion suffices to show that the original construction is invalid, and thus the original conclusion is suspect. I guess this *REALLY* is how a misguided tab user exercises his 'logic': Syntax replication (e.g. so-called 'argument construction') is enough, semantics don't matter. ROTFLMAO! My instincts were correct: it is foolhardy to attempt to educate closed minds. twitfilter status=on -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code
On 5/15/06, Chris Klaiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem comes when the author prefers a smaller tab width than what my editor is set to. Sure, I could change it for that file, but what if I'm reading a whole directory? Sure, I could change the default setting in my editor, but what if I'm browsing multiple projects in the same day? Sure, I could find a way to set the tab width based on the directory I'm currently in, but by now I'm annoyed and simply replacing tabs with spaces is a far simpler solution that requires zero configuration on my part. Funny, I was going to say that the problem is when the author prefers a font with a differntly-sized space. Some of us got rid of editing in fixed-width fonts when we left Fortran. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code
On 5/15/06, Brian Quinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with tabs is that people use tabs for alignment e.g. def foo(): -query = SELECT * - - - FROM sometable - - - WHERE condition Now I change my editor to use 8-space tabs and the code is all messed up. Of course, a very disciplined group of people could be trained to never use tabs except to align with the current block level but, in practice, that doesn't work. Therefore tabs are bad. And those of us who hate cutesy alignment like that think that people who do it are therefore bad. Spaces look like crap, too, when using proportional fonts. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tabs versus Spaces in Source Code
On 5/15/06, Edward Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If such tools are lacking, use substitutes in the meantime. Don't allow any code to be checked in where a line departs more than one tab indentation level from its neighbors. It's not perfect, but it eliminates the worst offenses. Good enough often is. I've recently adopted the Dabo convention of using two indent levels to indicate continued lines, which helps distinguish such lines from the indented blocks below them. But other than that case, one tab it is! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: GUI in python
On 29 Mar 2006 14:20:03 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a python newbie and have used it for about a month. I want to make a simple GUI app in Python ( I take input form user and do processing and show results). Which gui package is good for me. I need to do it quick and I would not want a long learning curve. I was taking look at wxPython, pyGTK etc. Please suggest me the most simplest and easiest one as I dont need super cool aesthetics just a plain simple GUI app. You might want to look at Dabo. Not only do they wrap wxPython to make its API more Pythonic, but they now have visual design tools that make it very simple to create a UI. http://dabodev.com I've been using Dabo for a few months now, and can't say enough good things about it. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers
On 3/16/06, Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the usual distinction (on any project web page) is User versus Developer. Who is a user of Python? That would be you, right? It would be fairly silly to have a page only for people who have programs written in Python that they use (they're *your program*'s users, not *python*'s users). Developer, in context, is clearly one who *develops* python, not one who *uses* python to develop programs. I don't see the ambiguity. I would be confused by the opposite usage. After your long explanation, your POV makes some sense. However, no one should be expected to read such an involved explanation before understanding common terms. I am a developer. Yes, I 'use' Python for my development work, but that doesn't make me any less of a developer. A link for 'developers' would make me think that it is something I should be interested in, even if your long explanation was included next to the link (I wouldn't be likely to read it - I *know* what a developer is). -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers
On 3/12/06, Tim Parkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: freinds and colleagues both online and off.. Some of whom are python programmers, most not. Without a budget for 'comprehensive testing' then the next best thing is asking people, at least you'll generally get rid of the big bloopers.. it's typically referred to as guerilla testing and whilst not scientific, it's better than nothing at all. I consider myself a Python developer, and if I saw a 'Developers' link on a Python site, it would seem obvious that it would be something that might interest me. It would not occur to me that this referred to people who are developing the language itself. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cross Module Command Useage
On 3/12/06, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So lets say have two modules.. moduleA and moduleB… they are both imported into a main python program using the from module import * command… There's your big mistake. This sort of import pollutes the namespace, because now all the items in the module are no longer linked by their module name. You're much better off doing a straight 'import module' command. now moduleA has a dynamic command that needs to access a command that is in moduleB… but when I run these modules from the main python scrip they cant see each other…. it gives me an error that the command does not exist… Dose this mean that I need to import moduleB into moduleA for it to see it… or is there a way that I can tell moduleA too look out to the main python program for the commands… If you use the import format above, it's simple: if you want to call a ModuleB command, the syntax is ModuleB.command(). The big advantage of preserving the module namespaces is that if both ModuleA and ModuleB have a function with a common name, such as 'start()', there is no confusion as to which one you are calling. Spelling out ModuleA.start() and ModuleB.start() takes care of all possible ambiguities. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers
On 3/12/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Decker wrote: I consider myself a Python developer, and if I saw a 'Developers' link on a Python site, it would seem obvious that it would be something that might interest me. even when it appeared below News, Documentation, Download, Community, and Links buttons on a site dedicated to the Python programming language ? who would you, intuitively, think that the other buttons were tar- geted for ? I would expect 'Documentation' would lead to docs about *using* Python, not about the nuts and bolts that go into enabling Python to do its magic. Similarly, I would expect 'News' to be news that would be relevant to the users of the language, 'Community' to be about the community of people who use Python, etc. The number of people who could potentially be Python developers is immense compared to the number who will ever look at the source code behind it, much less tinker with it. (and why wouldn't the development process behind Python be of interest to you, btw? Probably because I have other work to do, and I use Python as the tool to get that work done. If I were a baker, I would be preoccupied with keeping my bakery in business; I wouldn't be spending much time studying flour mills or wheat farming, even though those endeavors make my bakery possible. don't tell me that you've never dis- covered a bug in Python or its documentation... ;-) Can't say I've ever run into anything that hadn't already been reported. But even if I did, my C skills are nowhere near good enough to be able to delve into the source code and correct it. That doesn't make me any less of a Python developer, though. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers
On 3/12/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Decker wrote: Can't say I've ever run into anything that hadn't already been reported. how did you check if it was already reported ? I asked about it on this list, or on the wxPython list, or whatever was the appropriate list. That's my first response; if people on the list had confirmed it as a bug, I would have then asked where to report it. Of course, you're straying so far from the original thought behind this thread, and that is that the Python website is using some terms differently than the majority of people who will eventually use the site would understand them. The number of people who are brilliant enough to actually contribute to the development of the Python language is miniscule compared to the potential number of programmers out there who could adopt Python as their language of choice, and thus consider themselves 'Python developers'. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers
On 3/11/06, Mike C. Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realise it's an incredibly boring name, but what about pronouncing it as the package index or the Python Package Index. Spelling it PyPI if one insists on a very short name in some written context is fine, but try not to use it when talking to a new user. That is, link to the page as The Package Index from www.python.org, refer to it as you can find that in the package index, or The Python Package Index has modules for X, Y, and Z in a non-Python context. Use pippy if you're talking with someone deeply embedded in Python culture (maybe), but don't expect people to know what you're talking about. Use the Cheese Shop similarly. I think that calling it simple 'Python Package Index' is a great idea. If you want a shortened version, call it by its initials: PPI. No need for cutesy 'pippy' pronunciations or odd 'PyPI' capitalizations. Just PPI. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
On 3/10/06, invitro81 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read that tkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; but why? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me but again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? GUI toolkits are not simple things to be productive with. Most people I know tried out a few briefly, found one that fit their needs and/or programming style better, and then adopted that as their choice. Given the complexity of GUIs in general, developers tend to be 'fluent' in one at a time - it's just too much to remember when switching between different kits. So most of the answers you get will invariably be tilted toward the choice that an individual made. Their reasons for that choice may not be the same as your reasons, so my advice to you would be to check them all out for a few hours apiece, and make a choice based on your impressions. Having said that, my choice for UI toolkit is wxPython, based on its use of native controls on all platforms. I disliked the syntax it inherited from wxWidgets, the C++ project it is based on, but then I found Dabo, whose UI layer wraps wxPython, giving you all the power and beauty of wxPython, with none of the ugliness. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: RAD tutorials and tools for GUI development with Python?
On 3/8/06, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I would really like to code a few more widely useable apps, but coding the GUI just seems so boring and unnecessarily complex. Maybe I was spoilt by Borland's Delphi/Kylix. But is there any way to do as little coding of the GUI as possible, and worry about the logic? The best I've seen is using one tool with a modification to output python code, which then has to be regenerated after any change to the GUI, which to me, kinda defeats the rapid in RAD. Thanks, advice would be much apperciated. If it helps to know, I am currently more interested in Python/Gtk (but not because I particularly like the look of Gtk) I would recommend that you take a look at Dabo (http://dabodev.com). They are in the process of developing exactly the sort of GUI design tools you are looking for. They're not 100% of the way there yet, as the project is basically two guys who do this in their free time (and apparently never sleep!). On the Documentation page of their site is a list of screencasts where you can see the GUI design tools in action. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Write a GUI for a python script?
On 3/5/06, Bill Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info. Knowing that, I was able to create a simple app in the Dabo Designer that contains a Notebook. But, I'm having a heck of a time finding any documentation at all on Dabo. I looked all thru the website(s), and have combed the Dabo software package itself. Either I'm doing something wrong, or documentation is pretty sparse for Dabo. No, you're not doing anything wrong. There isn't a whole lot of documentation. That's one of the problems with projects being actively developed: the developers are too busy with the development work to step back and write the docs. They have asked for people to help out if they can (it is open source, after all), but there hasn't been a whole lot of that yet. I think a lot of people are like me: they have figured out enough to make it work, and are doing some great stuff with it, but don't feel that they know it enough to document it. What little info I could find on the Dabo Wiki seems pretty old. I also watched the two Sizer videos, but there's not enough info there to learn much. I have to agree. The videos are great, but so much more is needed. One thing I can suggest is to post any questions on the dabo-users list. Both the authors are very responsive and helpful. I read somewhere that they are concentrating on the User Interface designer instead of the database aspects. The GUI maker is what I'm interested in using, not the rest. I don't want to code the GUI manually. Do you know where I can find more information on the Designer? I think that the database side of things has been done for over a year, and now they're looking to add support for more database types as people start using it with other stuff. But as far as the GUI Designer goes, I'd post questions on the dabo-users list. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Write a GUI for a python script?
On 3/4/06, Bill Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dabo does look really nice, but seems like it has a ways to go yet. I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago, and the very first thing I wanted to do doesn't seem to be supported. I tried to create a simple application with a Notebook control inside a frame. The Notebook control doesn't appear to be supported yet. Is that right, or am I just not looking in the right places? It's fully supported. Their generic term for these paged controls is a 'pageframe', so a wx.Notebook is their dPageFrame class; wx.Listbook is their dPageList class; wx.Choicebook is their dPageSelect, and they also have a page control with no tabs called (gasp!) dPageFrameNoTabs. One thing that they've done is pick names for classes and properties that are the most common for all toolkits instead of blindly following the wx names. All of these classes have the same interface, and respond to the same events. IOW, they've unified these different classes so that they have a single API, making working with them much easier. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Write a GUI for a python script?
On 3 Mar 2006 01:16:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I, too, am a python newbie and have wrestled with GUI programming. I think I am winning, but its been a struggle. I started with wxPython and struggled with it for a long time. I was able to get the job done, but using it never seemed natural. Then I found the Dabo project, whose ui module wraps wxPython into a much more Pythonic, consistent interface. Since then I've been able to create GUIs without much effort at all. I highly recommend Dabo if you are thinking about wxPython. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
