Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thursday 27 August 2009 22:57:44 Terry Reedy wrote: Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. If I do that, then the mail would go just to you, and not to the list at all, which is not what I suspect you want, in view of what you have just said. I have to do a reply all, followed by deletion of the author, and sometimes addition of the list as a to too. Its a mess, and if I muck it up, the author gets a copy in his email, if he has not fudged his reply to It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. And different mail clients do not seem to make a difference. - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. I'm on a few other lists. The Python ones are the only ones that I have to manually change. The Nuke-user mailing list automatically changes the To: to the correct address, and I *think* they also use mail-man. The DLF list I mentioned before also doesn't have this problem. When will this be fixed? It'll take someone like 5 minutes to do a setting . . . -Just my rambling again Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za writes: If I [use the “reply to author” command], then the mail would go just to you, and not to the list at all, which is not what I suspect you want, in view of what you have just said. Right. The common “reply” command in most mail clients means “reply to author”, and as you say, it requests to compose a reply addressed to the author. It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. No, it really wouldn't; because if you're asking to compose a message address to the *author*, and it instead gets addressed to the whole *list*, that's a recipe for disastrous communication errors. Instead, it would be nice if people had a “reply to list” command, and used that when they choose to send a message to the list. And different mail clients do not seem to make a difference. Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. -- \ “… one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was | `\that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful | _o__) termination of their C programs.” —Robert Firth | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auben%2bpyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Thanks! -Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 19:04 +1000, Xavier Ho wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben +pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Evolution at least is mailing-list aware. I usually Reply to List (CTRL-L) and fugetaboutit. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Xavier Ho wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auben%2bpyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Thanks! -Xav Further to the earlier reply from Albert Hopkins, I use Thunderbird on Windows and just hit reply. The message I reply to is from Xavier Ho an email address and to python-list@python.org. I think this sums it up. -- Kindest regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:47:50 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. If the author doesn't want duplicate replies, they would normally set a Reply-To header which points to the list. Some listservs provide an option to suppress duplicates, i.e. a message isn't sent if the recipient is listed in the To/CC headers. Enabling this option is a bad idea if you're stuck behind an aggressive spam filter: the listserv only knows whether you're listed as a recipient; it can't know whether you actually got the message. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Frank Millman wrote: Hi all I mentioned yesterday that I had a problem sending a message to the newsgroup via the Outlook Express news reader. Today I received an email from DaveA, which was sent to me via python-l...@python.org. I tried simply replying to the email, to see if it behaved better than Outlook Express. I hit 'Reply to all', so it 'replied' to the sender and cc'ed to python-l...@python.org. I have just checked in google-groups and my message does appear, in the correct thread, but not in its correct thread position. Is there a proper way to do this, or is it better to stick to a news reader like Outlook Express? Thanks Frank Millman P.S. I am sending this message via email to python-list@python.org - let's see what happens. I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. I'm not sure how the list-server decides what thread a particular message belongs to. It's more than just the subject line, since when people change the subject, it stays in the same thread. I'm guessing it's somewhere in the boilerplate that's built by a normal mail program when it builds a reply message. And since I don't see threads this way, I wouldn't know if I broke things. I'd love to see an FAQ on how to handle these python.org mailing lists, with recommendations on settings to use both when you sign up for the list, and within various mail applications. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). But it defaults to the wrong From: address, so I have to change that by hand. I don't have that problem if I reply directly to a message, say from my in-box. The FAQ could also cover conventions and other techniques, such as whether to use html or plain-text for messages, how to use ** to mark a word as bold, top-posting suggestions DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Dave Angel wrote: Frank Millman wrote: I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I use Thunderbird and access python-list as a newsgroup via news.gmane.org as gmane.comp.python.general. About 200 other python mailing lists are accessible as g.c.p.xxx. The first time one posts to a particular mailint list, the post is held until one replies to a email sent to the 'from:' address. This cuts spam tremendously. Otherwise, no signup seems to be needed. tjr -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote: I'm not sure how the list-server decides what thread a particular message belongs to. It's more than just the subject line, since when people change the subject, it stays in the same thread. I'm just using gmail because it saves me the trouble of reconfiguring the mail server every time I use a new computer (which I do at uni quite a lot). When someone changes the Subject with (was: XXX), it opens as a new thread on gmail. also, when someone puts Re: in the subject it also puts it on a new thread. The magical thing about gmail is that it seems to ingnore the first Re: on the subject line, and make them the same thread. I rarely have threading issues, but occasionally I do see Re: messages in a separate place, maybe once a month. I'd love to see an FAQ on how to handle these python.org mailing lists, with recommendations on settings to use both when you sign up for the list, and within various mail applications. Google found me these: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/docs.html Maybe they're helpful, since that's what the python-list uses. I've only scanned for a bit and it seems comprehensive. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, What do you mean 10 attachments? O_o. I know some people like to attach a company logo in their signature. (The Aussie DLF list people do that heaps. Although some people post a hand-written sig in the attachment ... I'm not sure how smart that is, but I've seen it done.) Where are you getting these attachments? I haven't tried reply-all yet. May give that a try next time and see what pops up in the To: address. usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). Gmail doesn't do that. Yay! (Re: is dumb anyway, and you can't prepend Re: forever. Fwd: is reasonable.) But it defaults to the wrong From: address, so I have to change that by hand. I don't have that problem if I reply directly to a message, say from my in-box. Weird. I have a different problem: the To: Address is usually the sender I'm replying to. It's really annoying, because I always have to hand-change the To: address to python-list. I've sent two messages onto the list mentioning about adding a Reply-to attribute by the mailing list server, which would fix this problem. To-date everyone has seemed to ignore me. =/ The FAQ could also cover conventions and other techniques, such as whether to use html or plain-text for messages, how to use ** to mark a word as bold, top-posting suggestions I didn't know ** marks bold. Does __ mark underline? Those are cool things I never hear about. Thanks! On another tangent, I only found out the Python Wiki on the official site today (http://wiki.python.org/moin/) Does anyone actually use it, and what for? - Kind regards, Ching-Yun Xavier Ho, Technical Artist Contact Information Mobile: (+61) 04 3335 4748 Skype ID: SpaXe85 Email: cont...@xavierho.com Website: http://xavierho.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. -- -David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On 2009-08-27 07:41 AM, David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Many of us read from comp.lang.python for gmane.comp.python.general. I do not appreciate getting reply emails to my inbox. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On 2009-08-27, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 2009-08-27 07:41 AM, David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Many of us read from comp.lang.python or gmane.comp.python.general. I do not appreciate getting reply emails to my inbox. Same here. I haven't noticed it happening much for c.l.p, but on some other lists it seems to be a common (and annoying) practice. For those lists, I usually set up e-mail filters for those lists to route such replys to /dev/null. I haven't yet done so for c.l.p... -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I just forgot my whole at philosophy of life!!! visi.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Xavier Ho wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote: snip Thanks for those pointers. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, What do you mean 10 attachments? O_o. I know some people like to attach a company logo in their signature. (The Aussie DLF list people do that heaps. Although some people post a hand-written sig in the attachment ... I'm not sure how smart that is, but I've seen it done.) Where are you getting these attachments? The message is a digest containing between 1 and 20 messages. The index is in the main message, and all the actual messages are encoded as attachments. I also see actual attachments, and sometimes signatures as attachments. But the ones I'm talking about have extension .eml. I haven't tried reply-all yet. May give that a try next time and see what pops up in the To: address. usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). Gmail doesn't do that. Yay! (Re: is dumb anyway, and you can't prepend Re: forever. Fwd: is reasonable.) If I have a direct message with a Re: at the beginning, Thunderbird does not add an extra one to my reply subject. Only when I'm doing it on one of these attachments. snip I didn't know ** marks bold. Does __ mark underline? Those are cool things I never hear about. Thanks! I don't know about any others other than *bold* text. And I don't know if it shows up in everyone's viewer that way, or just some. DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Terry Reedy wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
In article mailman.541.1251404574.2854.python-l...@python.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. More precisely, there is a Mailman option per-list to suppress list sending of posts for which you are cc'd. I don't remember where, you should be able to find it by poking around the Mailman interface (or searching the docs). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ I support family values -- Addams family values --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. Better: If you don't want to reply to the author directly, and you don't want to reply to everyone, don't use “reply to author” or “reply to all”. When replying to the list, use the “reply to list” command of your mail client. This will, in a standards-compliant mail client, reply to the posting address for the list (declared in the message header via the RFC 2369 ‘List-Post’ field, added automatically by every common mailing list system), without a copy to the sender. Thunderbird has a long-outstanding bug report requesting this feature URL:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715, which is apparently fixed in recent versions. Before that bug was fixed, an add-on URL:http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html was developed to add it in a different way. If you're using a different mail client, look for the “reply to list” command, and if it's not there (or doesn't work correctly), report it to the vendor as a bug and/or switch to one of the many alternative MUAs that get it right. -- \ “I think it would be a good idea.” —Mahatma Gandhi (when asked | `\ what he thought of Western civilization) | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
