Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:16:32 + (UTC), Juha Nieminen
 wrote:

>In comp.lang.c++ Chris in Makati  wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 + (UTC), Juha Nieminen
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
 You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>
>>>It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>>starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>>"downloading" things to your computer?
>> 
>> Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
>> child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.
>
>Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
>If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
>innocent.
>
>Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

If you do a Google search for  you will find
literally thousands of cases where raids have taken place and people
have been found with this material on their computers.

In many of these cases the authorities have traced the IP addresses of
people whose computers have made connections to known sites that host
child porn. It's no use trying to claim that a bot you weren't aware
of downloaded it without your knowledge. If you could get off the hook
that easily everybody who was interested in the stuff would
deliberately install such a bot and use that as an excuse.
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Chris Angelico]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:00 PM, David Brown  wrote:
> Even if the OP is telling the truth (and if Skybuck said that
> grass is green, I'd recommend going outside to check)

Here in Australia, we're coming up on summer, so grass is more likely
to be yellowish-brown. Definitely don't believe people who claim it's
green.

ChrisA
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Chris in Makati  wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 + (UTC), Juha Nieminen
>  wrote:
> 
>>In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>>It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>"downloading" things to your computer?
> 
> Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
> child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
innocent.

Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[David Brown]

On 03/12/15 07:24, Chris in Makati wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 + (UTC), Juha Nieminen
>  wrote:
> 
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
> 
> Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
> child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.
> 

You are posting to a wide range of international newsgroups (with this
thread being way off-topic for all of them...).  It makes no sense to
talk about "the law", because this is not something covered by
/international/ law.

What counts as "child porn", what counts as "possession", how relevant
intention, knowledge, etc., is, varies enormously from country to
country.  Even if the OP is telling the truth (and if Skybuck said that
grass is green, I'd recommend going outside to check), and he gets
caught with this stuff on his machine, punishments can vary from "it's
fine as long as you don't distribute it" to "25 years for each picture,
to be served consecutively".

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield  wrote:
> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>
> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-12-02, Les Cargill  wrote:
> Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>>
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>
> Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers live
> closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the nomenclature
> was forged.

Exactly!  Thats the usage I've been used to for the past 30 years.

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Ian Kelly]

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Keith Thompson  wrote:
> Juha Nieminen  writes:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>
> My understanding of the word "downloading" has always been STOP FEEDING
> THE TROLL!

In what way is discussion of a tangential topic feeding the troll?
Said troll is not even participating in the discussion.
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Keith Thompson]

Juha Nieminen  writes:
> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
> "downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the word "downloading" has always been STOP FEEDING
THE TROLL!

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Wed, 02 Dec 2015 08:36:24 -0800, Keith Thompson writes:

>"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
>-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

This is one of my favourite quotes of all time.  Unfortunately, you
have it slightly wrong.  The quote is:
Something must be done.  This is something.  Therefore we must do it.

cheers!
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Chris in Makati]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 + (UTC), Juha Nieminen
 wrote:

>In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
>It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Steve Hayes]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 + (UTC), Grant Edwards
 wrote:

>On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield  wrote:
>> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
 You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>
>>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>>
>> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
>> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
>> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
>> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.
>
>That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
>with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
>the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
>internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
>middle.

In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
immigration and emigration. 

I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook. 

I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer. 


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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
 wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 + (UTC), Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield  wrote:
>>> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
 In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

 It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
 starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
 "downloading" things to your computer?
>>>
>>> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
>>> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
>>> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
>>> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.
>>
>>That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
>>with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
>>the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
>>internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
>>middle.
>
>In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
>immigration and emigration. 
>
>I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook. 
>
>I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer. 

To which I will add that uploading is sending, and downloading is
fetching.

So saying that Microsoft downloaded something to my computer is like
saying that someone fetched me a ltter when they actually sent it. 


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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Richard Heathfield]

On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:

In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.


It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?


My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.


If the devices are of comparable size and power, you aren't upping or 
downing anything - you're just transferring data from one computer to 
another. I suppose we could say "crossloading"?


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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Les Cargill]

Juha Nieminen wrote:

In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes  wrote:

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.


It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

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Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers
live closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the
nomenclature was forged.

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Ian Kelly]

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
> <skybuck2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>The question is:
>>
>>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
>
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

You download things FROM one computer to another. You upload things
from one computer TO another. The only semantic difference is in which
end of the transfer is "local". Otherwise, it's like saying "up the
street" versus "down the street", so what difference does it make?
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Skybuck Flying]

It's not YOU doing it.

Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything 
else you wrote LOL.


Bye,
 Skybuck. 


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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
<skybuck2...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>The question is:
>
>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin. 



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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Keith Thompson]

Steve Hayes  writes:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
>  wrote:
>>The question is:
>>
>>Is Microsoft
[snip]
>
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
> say is obviously not worth readin. 

Nor is it worth replying to.  *Please* don't feed the troll.

(Followups set.)

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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[trolling tone]

On 01.12.2015 03:19, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Hello,

The question is:

Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

How can you be sure ? It's closed source software.

It's downloading all kinds of crap via Windows Update.

Having childporn on your computer is a crime and can result into jail time.

I think it is safe to say that the era of closed source software is OVER.

You are responsible for what is on your computer !

Bye,
  Skybuck.


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LOL
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Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Juha Nieminen]

In comp.lang.c++ Skybuck Flying <skybuck2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.

If a troyan/virus is doing so, that's not on Microsoft.

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