Re: python-list@python.org
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 02:25:34 +0100, Florian Lindner wrote:
Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 17:00:48 schrieb MRAB:
On 2014-01-14 16:37, Florian Lindner wrote:
Hello!
I'm using python 3.2.3 on debian wheezy. My script is called from my
mail delivery agent (MDA) maildrop (like procmail) through it's
xfilter directive.
Script works fine when used interactively, e.g. ./script.py
testmail but when called from maildrop it's producing an infamous
UnicodeDecodeError:
What's maildrop? When using third party libraries, it's often helpful to
point to give some detail on what they are and where they are from.
File /home/flindner/flofify.py, line 171, in main
mail = sys.stdin.read()
What's the value of sys.stdin? If you call this from your script:
print(sys.stdin)
what do you get? Is it possible that the mysterious maildrop is messing
stdin up?
File /usr/lib/python3.2/encodings/ascii.py, line 26, in decode
return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0]
Exception for example is always like
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x82 in position
869: ordinal not in range(128)
That makes perfect sense: byte 0x82 is not in the ASCII range. ASCII is
limited to bytes values 0 through 127, and 0x82 is hex for 130. So the
error message is telling you *exactly* what the problem is: your email
contains a non-ASCII character, with byte value 0x82.
How can you deal with this?
(1) Oh gods, I can't deal with this, I wish the whole world was America
in 1965 (except even back then, there were English characters in common
use that can't be represented in ASCII)! I'm going to just drop anything
that isn't ASCII and hope it doesn't mangle the message *too* badly!
You need to set the error handler to 'ignore'. How you do that may depend
on whether or not maildrop is monkeypatching stdin.
(2) Likewise, but instead of dropping the offending bytes, I'll replace
them with something that makes it obvious that an error has occurred.
Set the error handler to replace. You'll still mangle the email, but it
will be more obvious that you mangled it.
(3) ASCII? Why am I trying to read email as ASCII? That's not right.
Email can contain arbitrary bytes, and is not limited to pure ASCII. I
need to work out which encoding the email is using, but even that is not
enough, since emails sometimes contain the wrong encoding information or
invalid bytes. Especially spam, that's particularly poor. (What a
surprise, that spammers don't bother to spend the time to get their code
right?) Hmmm... maybe I ought to use an email library that actually gets
these issues *right*?
What does the maildrop documentation say about encodings and/or malformed
email?
I read mail from stdin mail = sys.stdin.read()
Environment when called is:
locale.getpreferredencoding(): ANSI_X3.4-1968 environ[LANG]: C
For a modern Linux system to be using the C encoding is not a good sign.
It's not 1970 anymore. I would expect it should be using UTF-8. But I
don't think that's relevant to your problem (although a mis-configured
system may make it worse).
System environment when using shell is:
~ % echo $LANG
en_US.UTF-8
That's looking more promising.
As far as I know when reading from stdin I don't need an decode(...)
call, since stdin has a decoding.
That depends on what stdin actually is. Please print it and show us.
Also, can you do a visual inspection of the email that is failing? If
it's spam, perhaps you can just drop it from the queue and deal with this
issue later.
I also tried some decoding/encoding
stuff but changed nothing.
Ah, but did you try the right stuff? (Randomly perturbing your code in
the hope that the error will go away is not a winning strategy.)
Any ideas to help me?
When run from maildrop it thinks that the encoding of stdin is ASCII.
Well, true. But what encoding does maildrop actually gives me? It
obviously does not inherit LANG or is called from the MTA that way.
Who knows? What's maildrop? What does its documentation say about
encodings? The fact that it is using ASCII apparently by default does not
give me confidence that it knows how to deal with 8-bit emails, but I
might be completely wrong.
I also tried:
inData = codecs.getreader('utf-8')(sys.stdin)
mail = inData.read()
Failed also. But I'm not exactly an encoding expert.
Failed how? Please copy and paste your exact exception traceback, in full.
Ultimately, dealing with email is a hard problem. So long as you only
receive 7-bit ASCII mail, you don't realise how hard it is. But the
people who write the mail libraries -- at least the good ones -- know
just how hard it really is. You can have 8-bit emails with no encoding
set, or the wrong encoding, or the right encoding but the contents then
includes invalid bytes. It's not just spammers who get it wrong,
legitimate programmers sending email also screw up.
Email is
Re: python-list@python.org
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 02:25:34 +0100, Florian Lindner wrote: On 2014-01-14 16:37, Florian Lindner wrote: I'm using python 3.2.3 on debian wheezy. My script is called from my mail delivery agent (MDA) maildrop (like procmail) through it's xfilter directive. Script works fine when used interactively, e.g. ./script.py testmail but when called from maildrop it's producing an infamous UnicodeDecodeError: What's maildrop? When using third party libraries, it's often helpful to point to give some detail on what they are and where they are from. It's not a library; as he says, it's an MDA program. It is from the Courier mail application URL:http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/. From that, I understand Florian to be saying his Python program is invoked via command-line from some configuration directive for Maildrop. What does the maildrop documentation say about encodings and/or malformed email? I think this is the more likely line of enquiry to diagnose the problem. For a modern Linux system to be using the C encoding is not a good sign. That's true, but it's likely a configuration problem: the encoding needs to be set *and* obeyed at an administrative and user-profile level. It's not 1970 anymore. I would expect it should be using UTF-8. But I don't think that's relevant to your problem (although a mis-configured system may make it worse). Since the MDA runs usually not as a system service, but rather at a user-specific level, I would expect some interaction of the host locale and the user-specific locale is the problem. Who knows? What's maildrop? What does its documentation say about encodings? I hope the original poster enjoys manpages, since that's how the program is documented URL:http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/documentation.html. The fact that it is using ASCII apparently by default does not give me confidence that it knows how to deal with 8-bit emails, but I might be completely wrong. I've found that the problem is often that Python is the party assuming that stdin and stdout are ASCII, largely because it hasn't been told otherwise. -- \“The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the | `\ hijacking of morality by religion.” —Arthur C. Clarke, 1991 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
python-list@python.org
On 2014-01-14 16:37, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello! I'm using python 3.2.3 on debian wheezy. My script is called from my mail delivery agent (MDA) maildrop (like procmail) through it's xfilter directive. Script works fine when used interactively, e.g. ./script.py testmail but when called from maildrop it's producing an infamous UnicodeDecodeError: File /home/flindner/flofify.py, line 171, in main mail = sys.stdin.read() File /usr/lib/python3.2/encodings/ascii.py, line 26, in decode return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0] Exception for example is always like UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x82 in position 869: ordinal not in range(128) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1176: ordinal not in range(128) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x8c in position 846: ordinal not in range(128) I read mail from stdin mail = sys.stdin.read() Environment when called is: locale.getpreferredencoding(): ANSI_X3.4-1968 environ[LANG]: C System environment when using shell is: ~ % echo $LANG en_US.UTF-8 As far as I know when reading from stdin I don't need an decode(...) call, since stdin has a decoding. I also tried some decoding/encoding stuff but changed nothing. Any ideas to help me? When run from maildrop it thinks that the encoding of stdin is ASCII. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python-list@python.org
Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 17:00:48 schrieb MRAB:
On 2014-01-14 16:37, Florian Lindner wrote:
Hello!
I'm using python 3.2.3 on debian wheezy. My script is called from my mail
delivery agent (MDA) maildrop (like procmail) through it's xfilter
directive.
Script works fine when used interactively, e.g. ./script.py testmail but
when called from maildrop it's producing an infamous UnicodeDecodeError:
File /home/flindner/flofify.py, line 171, in main
mail = sys.stdin.read()
File /usr/lib/python3.2/encodings/ascii.py, line 26, in decode
return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0]
Exception for example is always like
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x82 in position 869:
ordinal not in range(128)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1176:
ordinal not in range(128)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x8c in position 846:
ordinal not in range(128)
I read mail from stdin mail = sys.stdin.read()
Environment when called is:
locale.getpreferredencoding(): ANSI_X3.4-1968
environ[LANG]: C
System environment when using shell is:
~ % echo $LANG
en_US.UTF-8
As far as I know when reading from stdin I don't need an decode(...) call,
since stdin has a decoding. I also tried some decoding/encoding stuff but
changed nothing.
Any ideas to help me?
When run from maildrop it thinks that the encoding of stdin is ASCII.
Well, true. But what encoding does maildrop actually gives me? It obviously
does not inherit LANG or is called from the MTA that way. I also tried:
inData = codecs.getreader('utf-8')(sys.stdin)
mail = inData.read()
Failed also. But I'm not exactly an encoding expert.
Regards,
Florian
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Re: python-list@python.org
On 2014-01-15 01:25, Florian Lindner wrote:
Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 17:00:48 schrieb MRAB:
On 2014-01-14 16:37, Florian Lindner wrote:
Hello!
I'm using python 3.2.3 on debian wheezy. My script is called from my mail
delivery agent (MDA) maildrop (like procmail) through it's xfilter directive.
Script works fine when used interactively, e.g. ./script.py testmail but
when called from maildrop it's producing an infamous UnicodeDecodeError:
File /home/flindner/flofify.py, line 171, in main
mail = sys.stdin.read()
File /usr/lib/python3.2/encodings/ascii.py, line 26, in decode
return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0]
Exception for example is always like
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x82 in position 869:
ordinal not in range(128)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1176:
ordinal not in range(128)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x8c in position 846:
ordinal not in range(128)
I read mail from stdin mail = sys.stdin.read()
Environment when called is:
locale.getpreferredencoding(): ANSI_X3.4-1968
environ[LANG]: C
System environment when using shell is:
~ % echo $LANG
en_US.UTF-8
As far as I know when reading from stdin I don't need an decode(...) call,
since stdin has a decoding. I also tried some decoding/encoding stuff but changed
nothing.
Any ideas to help me?
When run from maildrop it thinks that the encoding of stdin is ASCII.
Well, true. But what encoding does maildrop actually gives me? It obviously
does not inherit LANG or is called from the MTA that way. I also tried:
locale.getpreferredencoding() said ANSI_X3.4-1968, which is ASCII
(ask Wikipedia if you want to know why it's called that!).
inData = codecs.getreader('utf-8')(sys.stdin)
mail = inData.read()
Failed also. But I'm not exactly an encoding expert.
Try:
sys.stdin = codecs.getreader('utf-8')(sys.stdin.detach())
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Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thursday 27 August 2009 22:57:44 Terry Reedy wrote: Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. If I do that, then the mail would go just to you, and not to the list at all, which is not what I suspect you want, in view of what you have just said. I have to do a reply all, followed by deletion of the author, and sometimes addition of the list as a to too. Its a mess, and if I muck it up, the author gets a copy in his email, if he has not fudged his reply to It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. And different mail clients do not seem to make a difference. - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. I'm on a few other lists. The Python ones are the only ones that I have to manually change. The Nuke-user mailing list automatically changes the To: to the correct address, and I *think* they also use mail-man. The DLF list I mentioned before also doesn't have this problem. When will this be fixed? It'll take someone like 5 minutes to do a setting . . . -Just my rambling again Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za writes: If I [use the “reply to author” command], then the mail would go just to you, and not to the list at all, which is not what I suspect you want, in view of what you have just said. Right. The common “reply” command in most mail clients means “reply to author”, and as you say, it requests to compose a reply addressed to the author. It would really be nice if the reply would go to the list, but for the digest versions, at least, it does not. No, it really wouldn't; because if you're asking to compose a message address to the *author*, and it instead gets addressed to the whole *list*, that's a recipe for disastrous communication errors. Instead, it would be nice if people had a “reply to list” command, and used that when they choose to send a message to the list. And different mail clients do not seem to make a difference. Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. -- \ “… one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was | `\that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful | _o__) termination of their C programs.” —Robert Firth | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auben%2bpyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Thanks! -Xav -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 19:04 +1000, Xavier Ho wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben +pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Evolution at least is mailing-list aware. I usually Reply to List (CTRL-L) and fugetaboutit. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Xavier Ho wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.auben%2bpyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Fortunately, the messages that come from the list enable any mail client to know the correct address for “reply to list”. It only remains to choose a mail client that knows how to use it. Would you be so kind and share with us for such a client that knows how to use the mailing list attribute? Thanks! -Xav Further to the earlier reply from Albert Hopkins, I use Thunderbird on Windows and just hit reply. The message I reply to is from Xavier Ho an email address and to python-list@python.org. I think this sums it up. -- Kindest regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:47:50 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. If the author doesn't want duplicate replies, they would normally set a Reply-To header which points to the list. Some listservs provide an option to suppress duplicates, i.e. a message isn't sent if the recipient is listed in the To/CC headers. Enabling this option is a bad idea if you're stuck behind an aggressive spam filter: the listserv only knows whether you're listed as a recipient; it can't know whether you actually got the message. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Frank Millman wrote: Hi all I mentioned yesterday that I had a problem sending a message to the newsgroup via the Outlook Express news reader. Today I received an email from DaveA, which was sent to me via python-l...@python.org. I tried simply replying to the email, to see if it behaved better than Outlook Express. I hit 'Reply to all', so it 'replied' to the sender and cc'ed to python-l...@python.org. I have just checked in google-groups and my message does appear, in the correct thread, but not in its correct thread position. Is there a proper way to do this, or is it better to stick to a news reader like Outlook Express? Thanks Frank Millman P.S. I am sending this message via email to python-list@python.org - let's see what happens. I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. I'm not sure how the list-server decides what thread a particular message belongs to. It's more than just the subject line, since when people change the subject, it stays in the same thread. I'm guessing it's somewhere in the boilerplate that's built by a normal mail program when it builds a reply message. And since I don't see threads this way, I wouldn't know if I broke things. I'd love to see an FAQ on how to handle these python.org mailing lists, with recommendations on settings to use both when you sign up for the list, and within various mail applications. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). But it defaults to the wrong From: address, so I have to change that by hand. I don't have that problem if I reply directly to a message, say from my in-box. The FAQ could also cover conventions and other techniques, such as whether to use html or plain-text for messages, how to use ** to mark a word as bold, top-posting suggestions DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
Dave Angel wrote: Frank Millman wrote: I use Thunderbird, and treat the list as ordinary mail. I use reply-all, and it seems to do the right thing. Or at least if I'm breaking threads, nobody has pointed it out to me yet. reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I use Thunderbird and access python-list as a newsgroup via news.gmane.org as gmane.comp.python.general. About 200 other python mailing lists are accessible as g.c.p.xxx. The first time one posts to a particular mailint list, the post is held until one replies to a email sent to the 'from:' address. This cuts spam tremendously. Otherwise, no signup seems to be needed. tjr -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote: I'm not sure how the list-server decides what thread a particular message belongs to. It's more than just the subject line, since when people change the subject, it stays in the same thread. I'm just using gmail because it saves me the trouble of reconfiguring the mail server every time I use a new computer (which I do at uni quite a lot). When someone changes the Subject with (was: XXX), it opens as a new thread on gmail. also, when someone puts Re: in the subject it also puts it on a new thread. The magical thing about gmail is that it seems to ingnore the first Re: on the subject line, and make them the same thread. I rarely have threading issues, but occasionally I do see Re: messages in a separate place, maybe once a month. I'd love to see an FAQ on how to handle these python.org mailing lists, with recommendations on settings to use both when you sign up for the list, and within various mail applications. Google found me these: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/docs.html Maybe they're helpful, since that's what the python-list uses. I've only scanned for a bit and it seems comprehensive. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, What do you mean 10 attachments? O_o. I know some people like to attach a company logo in their signature. (The Aussie DLF list people do that heaps. Although some people post a hand-written sig in the attachment ... I'm not sure how smart that is, but I've seen it done.) Where are you getting these attachments? I haven't tried reply-all yet. May give that a try next time and see what pops up in the To: address. usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). Gmail doesn't do that. Yay! (Re: is dumb anyway, and you can't prepend Re: forever. Fwd: is reasonable.) But it defaults to the wrong From: address, so I have to change that by hand. I don't have that problem if I reply directly to a message, say from my in-box. Weird. I have a different problem: the To: Address is usually the sender I'm replying to. It's really annoying, because I always have to hand-change the To: address to python-list. I've sent two messages onto the list mentioning about adding a Reply-to attribute by the mailing list server, which would fix this problem. To-date everyone has seemed to ignore me. =/ The FAQ could also cover conventions and other techniques, such as whether to use html or plain-text for messages, how to use ** to mark a word as bold, top-posting suggestions I didn't know ** marks bold. Does __ mark underline? Those are cool things I never hear about. Thanks! On another tangent, I only found out the Python Wiki on the official site today (http://wiki.python.org/moin/) Does anyone actually use it, and what for? - Kind regards, Ching-Yun Xavier Ho, Technical Artist Contact Information Mobile: (+61) 04 3335 4748 Skype ID: SpaXe85 Email: cont...@xavierho.com Website: http://xavierho.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. -- -David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On 2009-08-27 07:41 AM, David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Many of us read from comp.lang.python for gmane.comp.python.general. I do not appreciate getting reply emails to my inbox. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] How do I reply to a thread by sending a message to python-list@python.org
On 2009-08-27, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 2009-08-27 07:41 AM, David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Many of us read from comp.lang.python or gmane.comp.python.general. I do not appreciate getting reply emails to my inbox. Same here. I haven't noticed it happening much for c.l.p, but on some other lists it seems to be a common (and annoying) practice. For those lists, I usually set up e-mail filters for those lists to route such replys to /dev/null. I haven't yet done so for c.l.p... -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I just forgot my whole at philosophy of life!!! visi.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Xavier Ho wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Dave Angel da...@ieee.org wrote: snip Thanks for those pointers. For example, I see a single message containing typically around 10 attachments. I do the reply-all to one of these attachments, and it handles the message body okay, the To/CC fields okay, What do you mean 10 attachments? O_o. I know some people like to attach a company logo in their signature. (The Aussie DLF list people do that heaps. Although some people post a hand-written sig in the attachment ... I'm not sure how smart that is, but I've seen it done.) Where are you getting these attachments? The message is a digest containing between 1 and 20 messages. The index is in the main message, and all the actual messages are encoded as attachments. I also see actual attachments, and sometimes signatures as attachments. But the ones I'm talking about have extension .eml. I haven't tried reply-all yet. May give that a try next time and see what pops up in the To: address. usually adds an extra RE: on the subject (so it becomes RE: RE: subject). Gmail doesn't do that. Yay! (Re: is dumb anyway, and you can't prepend Re: forever. Fwd: is reasonable.) If I have a direct message with a Re: at the beginning, Thunderbird does not add an extra one to my reply subject. Only when I'm doing it on one of these attachments. snip I didn't know ** marks bold. Does __ mark underline? Those are cool things I never hear about. Thanks! I don't know about any others other than *bold* text. And I don't know if it shows up in everyone's viewer that way, or just some. DaveA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Terry Reedy wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article mailman.541.1251404574.2854.python-l...@python.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: David House wrote: 2009/8/27 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: reply-all may send duplicate messages to the author. Not sure of this list. I'm fairly sure Mailman deals with that. Nope. I got a duplicate sent to my mailbox, which I hate. More precisely, there is a Mailman option per-list to suppress list sending of posts for which you are cc'd. I don't remember where, you should be able to find it by poking around the Mailman interface (or searching the docs). -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ I support family values -- Addams family values --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: In particular, because there is no indication that it is an exact duplicate of what I will also find on the list itself. Please use reply instead of reply-all. Better: If you don't want to reply to the author directly, and you don't want to reply to everyone, don't use “reply to author” or “reply to all”. When replying to the list, use the “reply to list” command of your mail client. This will, in a standards-compliant mail client, reply to the posting address for the list (declared in the message header via the RFC 2369 ‘List-Post’ field, added automatically by every common mailing list system), without a copy to the sender. Thunderbird has a long-outstanding bug report requesting this feature URL:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715, which is apparently fixed in recent versions. Before that bug was fixed, an add-on URL:http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html was developed to add it in a different way. If you're using a different mail client, look for the “reply to list” command, and if it's not there (or doesn't work correctly), report it to the vendor as a bug and/or switch to one of the many alternative MUAs that get it right. -- \ “I think it would be a good idea.” —Mahatma Gandhi (when asked | `\ what he thought of Western civilization) | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Olivier About this mailing list: it is very hard to search. I can't Olivier find any search field on the page: Olivier http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ python-list. I would Olivier greatly appreciate if you moved that list over to google, for Olivier instance, so that it be both searchable and rss-feedable. To start with, the list isn't going to move. However, you have all sorts of search options. 1. Google - search for site:mail.python.org python-list utf8 1a. python-list@python.org is gatewayed with the Usenet newsgroup comp.lang.python. That means you can visit http://groups.google.com/ and search for group:comp.lang.python utf8 2. GMane - go to http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general and search for utf8 3. Free Network Group - go to http://archives.free.net.ph/splash/index.en.html select Python group and/or python-list mailing list and search for utf8 As for RSS, try ASPN: feed://listserv.activestate.com/rss/python-list-rss1.0.xml I could keep going, but I'll stop there. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi Alan, At 04:25 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote: IIUC, ASCOM is a set of Windows COM objects which provides a standardised API for controlling telescopes. Since it uses Windows COM, you should be able to control it easily from python using the excellent win32 extensions. Yes, I had seen it, and it looks well developed - but - it _requires_ Windows COM. (I do use Win32 and ctypes for talking to interface cards and such, that I actually get paid for) but even the company I do it for is migrating to LINUX (slowly) by customer demand (!) and I guess don't want to do new COM projects. INDI actually looks like a great project - but - it's _only_ LINUX... http://indi.sourceforge.net/ There are a good number of professional astro Python creations supported by STSCI and Enthought http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/ Kstars http://edu.kde.org/kstars/indi.php looks nice but uses its own scripting and only runs on LINUX I see the professional Astronomy community moving to Python, and I think it's a good idea to ride their coat-tails; university projects like Galileo and DRACO use Meade LX's as undergraduate study tools, with Python/LINUX. Thanks for the reply, Ray -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:02:48 -0800 RayS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I had seen it, and it looks well developed - but - it _requires_ Windows COM. (I do use Win32 and ctypes for talking to interface cards and such, that I actually get paid for) but even the company I do it for is migrating to LINUX (slowly) by customer demand (!) and I guess don't want to do new COM projects. FWIW, for me, Windows only=write off, so I'm glad you're not going this route. -- Terry Hancock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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