Re: Python development tools
On 2013-06-25, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: Automating tasks, e.g. controlling other applications and stringing together tasks that you would otherwise be doing by hand. That, IMO, is the definition of scripting: writing a program to automate a task that would probably be done by hand if you didn't have to do it more that a few times. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm a fuschia bowling at ball somewhere in Brittany gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:04:48 AM UTC+5:30, cutems93 wrote: Alright. Thanks everyone for your responses. I just want to know what tools are GENERALLY used by professional developers. I am helping somebody who wants to know about software that he might use in his project. He does not know what kind of project it will be, but it will be more like scripting in the beginning. I know my question is somewhat vague, but this is all I can give you. Could you help me by sharing your experiences? There was a thread on editors a few months ago where I made some suggestions: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-January/639351.html and following I dont know what you mean my 'scripting' Anyhow I'll add this: the python docs are exceptionally well-written and a pleasure to go through. Start with http://docs.python.org/2/library/ Heres a suggested order to navigate 5 Subsects 1 to 9 are important 10 File and Directory subsects 1 2 7 3 27.1 sys 13 1 and 2 (csv and config) Some 3rd party config parsers better than builtin 15 1 os One of 15. 4 5 or 6 (command line parsing) Yes this is a bit of a mess 22 Internationalization (unicode) is increasingly important but I cannot make head-or-tail of it. Python 2 and 3 completely inconsistent in this area On general note about python's object orientation: If by 'scripting' you mean working within some large App's environment eg libreoffice or blender which are scripted with python, then you need to carefully understand that app's object model. If by scripting you mean something like shell-scripting and a few steps beyond, just forget about OO -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes: I dont know what you mean my 'scripting' Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. -- \ “Dvorak users of the world flgkd!” —Kirsten Chevalier, | `\rec.humor.oracle.d | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: rusi writes: I dont know what you mean my 'scripting' Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. If you are saying that python spans the scripting to programming spectrum exceptionally well, I agree. I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 2013-06-23, cutems93 ms2...@cornell.edu wrote: I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. 1) emacs 2) Cpython 3) subversion 4) http://www.python.org/doc/ 5) comp.lang.python 99.9% of the programs I write are command-line tools. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm shaving!! at I'M SHAVING!! gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. wxPython, PyGUI... Sincerely, Wolfgang -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 24Jun2013 14:28, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: | On 2013-06-23, cutems93 ms2...@cornell.edu wrote: | I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools | people use for python development. | | 1) emacs | 2) Cpython | 3) subversion | 4) http://www.python.org/doc/ | 5) comp.lang.python 1) vi/vim 2) Cpython 3) mercurial 4) local copy of http://www.python.org/doc/ for python 2 and 3 (lets me work offline and snappier to browse) 5) python-list@python.org | 99.9% of the programs I write are command-line tools. 99.9% of the programs I write are command-line tools. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination. - Douglas Adams -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes: On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. If you are saying that python spans the scripting to programming spectrum exceptionally well, I agree. I'm saying that “scripting” is a complete subset of “programming”, so it's nonsense to talk about “the scripting-to-programming spectrum”. Scripting is, always, programming. Scripts are, always, programs. (But not vice-versa; I do acknowledge there is more to programming than scripting.) I say this because anything anyone has said to me about the former is always something included already by the latter. So I don't see much need for treating scripts as somehow distinct from programs, or scripting as somehow distinct from programming. Whenever you're doing the former, you're doing the latter by definition. I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html That essay constrasts “scripting” versus “system programming”, a useful (though terminologically confusing) distinction. It's a mistake to think that essay contrasts “scripting“ versus “programming”. But the essay never justifies its aversion to “programming” as a term for what it's describing, so that mistake is easy to make. -- \ “A celebrity is one who is known by many people he is glad he | `\ doesn't know.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
在 2013年6月24日星期一UTC+8上午4时40分07秒，cutems93写道： Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found several tools. 1. Automated Refactoring Tools 2. Bug Tracking 3. Configuration And BuildTools 4. Distribution Utilities 5. Documentation Tools 6. Integrated Development Environments 7. Python Debuggers 8. Python Editors 9. Python Shells 10. Test Software 11. Useful Modules 12. Version Control What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Thank you in advance! -Min S.- It's a big question. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:41:22 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: rusi writes: I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html That essay constrasts “scripting” versus “system programming”, a useful (though terminologically confusing) distinction. It's a mistake to think that essay contrasts “scripting“ versus “programming”. But the essay never justifies its aversion to “programming” as a term for what it's describing, so that mistake is easy to make. The essay is 15 years old. So a bit dated. Referred to it as it conveys the sense/philosophy of scripting. On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. If you are saying that python spans the scripting to programming spectrum exceptionally well, I agree. I'm saying that “scripting” is a complete subset of “programming”, so it's nonsense to talk about “the scripting-to-programming spectrum”. Scripting is, always, programming. Scripts are, always, programs. (But not vice-versa; I do acknowledge there is more to programming than scripting.) I say this because anything anyone has said to me about the former is always something included already by the latter. So I don't see much need for treating scripts as somehow distinct from programs, or scripting as somehow distinct from programming. Whenever you're doing the former, you're doing the latter by definition. My personal associations with the word 'scripting' - Cavalier attitude towards efficiency - No interest (and maybe some scorn) towards over-engineering (hence OOP) - Heavy use of regular expressions, also sophistication of the command-line args - A sense (maybe vague) of being glue more than computation, eg. a bash script is almost certain to invoke something other than builtins alone and is more likely to invoke a non-bash script than a bash script. For a C program that likelihood is the other way round. For python it could be either -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 25/06/2013 03:24, rusi wrote: On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:41:22 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: rusi writes: I dont however think that the two philosophies are the same. See http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html That essay constrasts “scripting” versus “system programming”, a useful (though terminologically confusing) distinction. It's a mistake to think that essay contrasts “scripting“ versus “programming”. But the essay never justifies its aversion to “programming” as a term for what it's describing, so that mistake is easy to make. The essay is 15 years old. So a bit dated. Referred to it as it conveys the sense/philosophy of scripting. On Monday, June 24, 2013 11:50:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Any time someone has shown me a “Python script”, I don't see how it's different from what I'd call a “Python program”. So I just mentally replace “scripting with “programming”. If you are saying that python spans the scripting to programming spectrum exceptionally well, I agree. I'm saying that “scripting” is a complete subset of “programming”, so it's nonsense to talk about “the scripting-to-programming spectrum”. Scripting is, always, programming. Scripts are, always, programs. (But not vice-versa; I do acknowledge there is more to programming than scripting.) I say this because anything anyone has said to me about the former is always something included already by the latter. So I don't see much need for treating scripts as somehow distinct from programs, or scripting as somehow distinct from programming. Whenever you're doing the former, you're doing the latter by definition. My personal associations with the word 'scripting' - Cavalier attitude towards efficiency And convenience for the programmer. Manipulating long texts using variable-length strings? Yes, I know it's inefficient, but it's still faster than doing it by hand! - No interest (and maybe some scorn) towards over-engineering (hence OOP) - Heavy use of regular expressions, also sophistication of the command-line args - A sense (maybe vague) of being glue more than computation, eg. a bash script is almost certain to invoke something other than builtins alone and is more likely to invoke a non-bash script than a bash script. For a C program that likelihood is the other way round. For python it could be either Automating tasks, e.g. controlling other applications and stringing together tasks that you would otherwise be doing by hand. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:09:19 AM UTC+5:30, MRAB wrote: And convenience for the programmer. Manipulating long texts using variable-length strings? Yes, I know it's inefficient, but it's still faster than doing it by hand! Well... did not say it because it tends to be emotionally charged :-) C programmers find C convenient. Haskell programmers find monads convenient Python programmers are (increasingly) finding OOP convenient Automating tasks, e.g. controlling other applications and stringing together tasks that you would otherwise be doing by hand. Yes scripting is more programmer oriented as against GUIs which are more user oriented. Related: scripting is more FP-ish, whereas GUIs are more OOP-ish. A shell pipeline is really function composition in different syntax and a back-quoted command is close to a higher-order function. By contrast a windows user clicks on a 'doc' and it just 'opens' Many of them dont exactly know the diff between a doc and MsWord. And even a supposed programmer (like yours truly) has a hell of a time finding the executable when needed. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python development tools
Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found several tools. 1. Automated Refactoring Tools 2. Bug Tracking 3. Configuration And BuildTools 4. Distribution Utilities 5. Documentation Tools 6. Integrated Development Environments 7. Python Debuggers 8. Python Editors 9. Python Shells 10. Test Software 11. Useful Modules 12. Version Control What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Thank you in advance! -Min S.- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 2013-06-23, cutems93 wrote: Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found several tools. 1. Automated Refactoring Tools 2. Bug Tracking 3. Configuration And BuildTools 4. Distribution Utilities 5. Documentation Tools 6. Integrated Development Environments 7. Python Debuggers 8. Python Editors 9. Python Shells 10. Test Software 11. Useful Modules 12. Version Control What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Thank you in advance! -Min S.- I think you are asking too much in a single post. Each of the points you list could be a long discussion on its own. -- Real (i.e. statistical) tennis and snooker player rankings and ratings: http://www.statsfair.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 06/23/2013 02:40 PM, cutems93 wrote: [...] The Python wiki at http://wiki.python.org/moin/ has a lot of info on most of your subjects. I've included links to there for some of your items below. All your items below also have comercial products available but I an not familiar with any so all me comments below pertain only to free tools. 1. Automated Refactoring Tools I wish. 2. Bug Tracking This is not really Python specific so any bug tracking tool you want to use will work. There are several written in Python. The Python (cpython) project uses one called Roundup. 3. Configuration And BuildTools 4. Distribution Utilities http://wiki.python.org/moin/DistributionUtilities 5. Documentation Tools The most popular documentation tools for Python projects is Spinx, probably because the Python documentation itself is build with Spinx. see also http://wiki.python.org/moin/DocumentationTools 6. Integrated Development Environments http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments 7. Python Debuggers Python comes with a builtin debugger called pdb. There are also a number of other add-on debuggers like pydb. See also: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools 8. Python Editors Any editor for programming is fine. This is mostly personal taste and experience. It is a frequent topic of discussion here so a web search should turn up some info. 9. Python Shells 10. Test Software Python comes with modules that will assist you in writing your own tests, most notable unittest and doctest. There are a number of third party modules too: See http://wiki.python.org/moin/UnitTests 11. Useful Modules The main repository for public Python modules is PyPi: See https://pypi.python.org/pypi 12. Version Control Git and Mercurial (hg) seem to be the two most popular modern VCS used by Python developers with Bazaar (bzr) right behind them. There was a discussion here very recently on that subject, see https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.python/MD4Oqq9GJiQ/discussion What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? This really depends on what kind of development you will be doing and who else you will be doing it with. A minimal development environment is a shell, python interpreter, and an internet connection. Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Python comes with a GUI toolkit called tkinter. The other major GUI toolkit is wxPython although it is not yet available for Python3. See also http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming Hope this helps get you started. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
In article 263da442-0c87-41df-9118-6003c6168...@googlegroups.com, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Automated Refactoring Tools I wish. Why? I've never seen the appeal of these. I do plenty of refactoring. It's unclear to me what assistance an automated tool would provide. 2. Bug Tracking This is not really Python specific so any bug tracking tool you want to use will work. There are several written in Python. The Python (cpython) project uses one called Roundup. Pick a bug tracker because its features fit your requirements, not what language it's written in. We've been using Asana (https://asana.com) for a while. I can't say I'm in love with it, but it's worth looking at. It's intended more as a project planner, but the dividing line between project planning and bug tracking is a bit hazy. 10. Test Software Python comes with modules that will assist you in writing your own tests, most notable unittest and doctest. I resisted nose (https://nose.readthedocs.org/) for quite a while, but I started using it in the past year and I'm slowly becoming addicted to it. At this point, I would only recommend unittest to somebody who was coming from an Xunit/Junit background and wanted something with the same look and feel. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 06/23/2013 05:49 PM, Roy Smith wrote: In article 263da442-0c87-41df-9118-6003c6168...@googlegroups.com, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Automated Refactoring Tools I wish. Why? I've never seen the appeal of these. I do plenty of refactoring. It's unclear to me what assistance an automated tool would provide. I've often wanted something that would help globally change things like function and method names including across multiple files. Even variable names in large functions (ideally functions should be small enough that this is not a problem but sometime shit happens). I am not great at picking good names to begin with and often code drift makes them even worse with time. Editor search and replace doesn't cut it. Other things like finding all uses of various objects/functions etc would also be useful now and then but I suppose that is a common IDE capability? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
In article ba5cbbcc-ff44-467d-91b6-108573da5...@googlegroups.com, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Other things like finding all uses of various objects/functions etc would also be useful now and then but I suppose that is a common IDE capability? $ find . -name '*.py' | xargs grep my_function_name seems to work for me. I suppose a language-aware grep would be even better, because then it wouldn't find my_function_name when it's embedded in docstrings, comments, and the like. On the other hand, you probably want to find those too. If you refactor the name and don't find those, you end up with broken docstrings and broken comments. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:40:07 -0700, cutems93 wrote: Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found several tools. [snip list of a dozen tools] What else do I need? You don't *need* any of these. You only *need* two things to write Python code: something to edit text files, and the Python interpreter to check that the code runs correctly. Everything else is optional. Rather than try to predict ahead of time every possible thing you need, you should start small, and as you discover a new requirement, then investigate. Why spend hours, days or weeks investigating refactoring tools only to find that after 15 years of programming you've never once used it? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? With respect, that's a silly question. It depends on what you do, and how often you do it. If you distribute a new version of your software every day, then you will use a distribution tool every day. If you do it once a year, then you use distribution tool once a year. Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. tkinter comes supplied with Python. So long as you have tcl/tk installed, which nearly all Linux distros do, it should just work out of the box. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
1. Automated Refactoring Tools I wish. Why? I've never seen the appeal of these. I do plenty of refactoring. It's unclear to me what assistance an automated tool would provide. I've often wanted something that would help globally change things like function and method names including across multiple files. Even variable names in large functions (ideally functions should be small enough that this is not a problem but sometime shit happens). I am not great at picking good names to begin with and often code drift makes them even worse with time. Editor search and replace doesn't cut it. I have occasionally used Bicycle Repair Man for this kind of thing. I don't actually know if it works across files, and I never quite convinced myself that it really works faithfully at all, but you could always try it (and even improve it if you can): http://bicyclerepair.sourceforge.net/#overallidea -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 2013-06-23 20:22, Roy Smith wrote: In article ba5cbbcc-ff44-467d-91b6-108573da5...@googlegroups.com, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Other things like finding all uses of various objects/functions etc would also be useful now and then but I suppose that is a common IDE capability? $ find . -name '*.py' | xargs grep my_function_name seems to work for me. I suppose a language-aware grep would be even better, because then it wouldn't find my_function_name when it's embedded in docstrings, comments, and the like. On the other hand, you probably want to find those too. Most good editors (and IDEs?) should handle this as well. I can speak for Vim where I could do something like[1] sh$ vim *.py :set hidden :argdo %s/\my_function_name\/new_func_name/gc then evaluate the results, optionally issuing :wall to write all the changes. Alternatively, if you just want to find all the pattern-matches and view them, you can use :vimgrep /\my_function_name\/ **/*.py and then navigate them either using the quick-fix window: :copen or go forward/backwards in the quick-fix list with[2] :cnext :cprevious I'd wager money that Emacs allows you to do something similar, but I'd have to let an Emacs-user step in to answer that. YMMV with other editors. Is this a refactoring tool, or just a valuable tool, regardless of how it's used for refactoring :-) -tkc [1] The :set hidden tells Vim that it's okay to leave a buffer without writing it, but still remember the changes made. Many folks have this in their vimrc configuration. If you know you want to do it everywhere, you can avoid the c flag to ask for confirmation. [2] These can be abbreviated as just :cn and :cp . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
In article mailman.3736.1372035170.3114.python-l...@python.org, Tim Chase python.l...@thechases.com wrote: I'd wager money that Emacs allows you to do something similar, I'm sure it can. But, the next step in the evolution is: $ emacs `find . -name '*.py' | xargs grep -l my_function_name` -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 06/23/2013 02:40 PM, cutems93 wrote: What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? Phew that's quite a list you have there. Are you coming from Windows development? I personally do all my development with vim, git, and a web browser for reference (or Python in a nutshell book). Dunno why things necessarily have to be complicated. Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Yes I recommend a nice GUI toolkit. Pick one and try it out. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Monday, June 24, 2013 5:58:03 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:40:07 -0700, cutems93 wrote: What else do I need? You don't *need* any of these. You only *need* two things to write Python code: something to edit text files, and the Python interpreter to check that the code runs correctly. Everything else is optional. Rather than try to predict ahead of time every possible thing you need, you should start small, and as you discover a new requirement, then investigate. Why spend hours, days or weeks investigating refactoring tools only to find that after 15 years of programming you've never once used it? Factually --- I dont believe this is correct -- professional programmers need all this and more on occasion -- eg your list does not have profilers, etc. Pedagogically --- Steven's advice is right on the money. If you are a noob and spend your time on breadth-first nurturing of the kind of list you've made, you will become a good programmer very slowly -- if at all. If you just follow Steven's advice -- stick to interpreter+editor -- you will become a good programmer much faster. [Or add to taste: Michael's browser + git] Philosophically -- there are roughly two schools: 1. Scale languages up to deal with difficult problems 2. Trivialize problems into elegant language solutions The first is like holing oneself into a fortress with heavy artillery. The second is like packing up a backpack with a water-bottle and going for a trek. The second is more fun, though the first is sometimes needed, though less than people imagine The first produces languages/systems/philosophies like C++, Java, .NET. The extremal examples of the second are Apl and Lisp. In Apl the goal is to write your programs in one line. If that is achieved why bother to make it readable? The Lisp benchmark is that the implementation of Lisp in Lisp is one page http://www.paulgraham.com/mcilroy.html Python is not exactly in either extreme camp though its much closer to the backpack than the fortress model -- Pythonistas delight more in making programs short and sweet rather than grand and glorious. A similar philosophical division to the above: http://osteele.com/posts/2004/11/ides -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Monday, June 24, 2013 4:48:35 AM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/23/2013 02:40 PM, cutems93 wrote: 1. Automated Refactoring Tools I wish. Here's pydev [python ide in eclipse] http://pydev.org/manual_adv_refactoring.html Note Ive never managed to get it running! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:40:07 PM UTC-4, cutems93 wrote: Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found [12 different types of] tools. What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? Which software is used less often? It depends on what you want to do, but I myself would want at least an IDE. Of your list, I've only used 1,4,6 for a long time to make desktop applications. What do you want to do? Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. You can search the archives of this list for a lot of that question asked now and then. For me, wxPython. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:40:07 PM UTC-7, cutems93 wrote: Hello, I am new to python development and I want to know what kinds of tools people use for python development. I went to Python website and found several tools. 1. Automated Refactoring Tools 2. Bug Tracking 3. Configuration And BuildTools 4. Distribution Utilities 5. Documentation Tools 6. Integrated Development Environments 7. Python Debuggers 8. Python Editors 9. Python Shells 10. Test Software 11. Useful Modules 12. Version Control What else do I need? Also, which software is used in daily base? I know version control software and bug tracking software are used almost everyday by developers. Which software is used less often? Also, I will use GUI interface for Python. What kind of widget toolkits do you recommend? I know there are GTK+ and Qt. Thank you in advance! -Min S.- Alright. Thanks everyone for your responses. I just want to know what tools are GENERALLY used by professional developers. I am helping somebody who wants to know about software that he might use in his project. He does not know what kind of project it will be, but it will be more like scripting in the beginning. I know my question is somewhat vague, but this is all I can give you. Could you help me by sharing your experiences? Thanks! -Min- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
On 12-02-08 01:52 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Todd Whiteman wrote: My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor It would seem that the Professional Python Editor is the same as Komodo Edit, but it is unclear why only Python editing would be featured for Komodo IDE. http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit is the page with the link people need to download just the editor. The above page covers features from both Edit and IDE - some will only apply to the IDE version. For a full comparison of features you can check out: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit/compare-with-komodo-ide Does K.Edit let me run a program with one key, like F5 in IDLE? If so, does it leave me in interactive mode (python -i) as IDLE does? Komodo Edit does not offer a quick run (F5) command by default, you could create your own Python command [1] in the Komodo toolbox and assign it the F5 key binding to serve such a purpose. [1] The short command for running a Python script is: %(python) %F, which uses Komodo's interpolation shortcuts: http://docs.activestate.com/komodo/7.0/shortcuts.html#shortcuts_top Cheers, Todd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[ANN] Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
Hello, My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide Python has long been one of the main languages supported by Komodo, so we're always getting useful feedback and suggestions. For Komodo 7, we've incorporated a lot of this feedback into enhancing our Python features. * Python Code Profiling (IDE only) Users have asked if there is a way to find out why their programs are taking so long to run. Komodo IDE 7 can show a graph of the methods and calls made by your program, so that you can detect where your CPU is being taken up. * Sophisticated Syntax Checking Choose between multiple syntax checkers like PyLint, PyFlakes and PyChecker. Provides language-specific syntax checking for CSS/JavaScript/Django inside HTML template languages like Django. * Code Collaboration (IDE only) We wanted to make pair programming easier. With the collaboration feature, multiple users can edit a document at the same time. It's kind of like Google Docs, but for code editing! * Speed With Komodo 7 you'll notice a lot snappier Komodo start-up time, lower CPU utilization - particularly when idle, and lower memory usage for large projects. * Even more... There are way more features in Komodo 7 than I can outline in a single post, so check out the online web pages for more Komodo 7 enhancements: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor Again, note that Komodo comes in two different flavours: 1) Komodo Edit - completely free and fully open-source editor, offering smart code completions, syntax checking, code colorizing, sophisticated editing and more. 2) Komodo IDE - a full featured IDE, offering advanced debugging, interactive shells, code browsing, source code control, database integration, unit testing, regular expression tools and more. Try out Komodo 7 and let me know what you think. We really appreciate the support and feedback! Cheers, Todd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
Re: Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:52:50 -0500 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Todd Whiteman wrote: My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: This is a pretty good release announcement, but a few questions. ... http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor It would seem that the Professional Python Editor is the same as Komodo Edit, but it is unclear why only Python editing would be featured for Komodo IDE. http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit is the page with the link people need to download just the editor. Does K.Edit let me run a program with one key, like F5 in IDLE? If so, does it leave me in interactive mode (python -i) as IDLE does? I'm not an ActiveState employee, but I have used Komodo IDE since version 4, on FreeBSD and Windows. The selling point of the IDE is definitely the interactive python debugger which isn't in the editor. It also supports more than python, just in case for some old reason you'd find the need to write Perl, Ruby or TCL code. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
Hello, My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide Python has long been one of the main languages supported by Komodo, so we're always getting useful feedback and suggestions. For Komodo 7, we've incorporated a lot of this feedback into enhancing our Python features. * Python Code Profiling (IDE only) Users have asked if there is a way to find out why their programs are taking so long to run. Komodo IDE 7 can show a graph of the methods and calls made by your program, so that you can detect where your CPU is being taken up. * Sophisticated Syntax Checking Choose between multiple syntax checkers like PyLint, PyFlakes and PyChecker. Provides language-specific syntax checking for CSS/JavaScript/Django inside HTML template languages like Django. * Code Collaboration (IDE only) We wanted to make pair programming easier. With the collaboration feature, multiple users can edit a document at the same time. It's kind of like Google Docs, but for code editing! * Speed With Komodo 7 you'll notice a lot snappier Komodo start-up time, lower CPU utilization - particularly when idle, and lower memory usage for large projects. * Even more... There are way more features in Komodo 7 than I can outline in a single post, so check out the online web pages for more Komodo 7 enhancements: http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor Again, note that Komodo comes in two different flavours: 1) Komodo Edit - completely free and fully open-source editor, offering smart code completions, syntax checking, code colorizing, sophisticated editing and more. 2) Komodo IDE - a full featured IDE, offering advanced debugging, interactive shells, code browsing, source code control, database integration, unit testing, regular expression tools and more. Try out Komodo 7 and let me know what you think. We really appreciate the support and feedback! Cheers, Todd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Todd Whiteman wrote: My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: This is a pretty good release announcement, but a few questions. ... http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor It would seem that the Professional Python Editor is the same as Komodo Edit, but it is unclear why only Python editing would be featured for Komodo IDE. http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit is the page with the link people need to download just the editor. Does K.Edit let me run a program with one key, like F5 in IDLE? If so, does it leave me in interactive mode (python -i) as IDLE does? -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo 7 release (Python development tools)
My name is Todd. I'm the lead developer for Komodo IDE (Interactive Development Environment) and Komodo Edit (a free, open-source editor) at ActiveState. I wanted to announce that the newest version, Komodo 7, has been released: This is a pretty good release announcement, but a few questions. ... http://www.activestate.com/komodo-ide/python-editor It would seem that the Professional Python Editor is the same as Komodo Edit, but it is unclear why only Python editing would be featured for Komodo IDE. http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit is the page with the link people need to download just the editor. Does K.Edit let me run a program with one key, like F5 in IDLE? AFAIK it sure does! If so, does it leave me in interactive mode (python -i) as IDLE does? Hmmm, I don't know about that. Best, anonhung -- a href=http://spreadingviktororban.weebly.com;Viktor Orban Prime minister of Hungary/a -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
Torsten Bronger a écrit : Hallöchen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 23 avr, 19:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. emacs + python-mode (the one from Python, not the horror that ships with recent emacs versions) What's so bad about it? I'd have to reinstall it to tell you exactly, but I do remember something really bad wrt/ the embedded python-shell, which is one the very strength of the emacs+python-mode combo. I just installed python-mode (is this the one with the py- prefixes?), It's the one with ;; Copyright (C) 1992,1993,1994 Tim Peters and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. it chokes on unbalanced single quotes in triple-single-quoted strings, and on unbalanced double-quotes in triple-double-quoted strings, yes. Given that I never use triple-single-quoted strings (and don't remember having seen such a thing in the thousands of third-part .py files I've read so far), I'd qualify this as at most a very minor annoyance. Not having proper python-shell and pdb integration is more annoying IMHO. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
Hallöchen! Bruno Desthuilliers writes: [...] and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. it chokes on unbalanced single quotes in triple-single-quoted strings, and on unbalanced double-quotes in triple-double-quoted strings, yes. Given that I never use triple-single-quoted strings (and don't remember having seen such a thing in the thousands of third-part .py files I've read so far), I'd qualify this as at most a very minor annoyance. Not having proper python-shell and pdb integration is more annoying IMHO. My formulation was unfortunate. What doesn't work (at least for me) is something like This is a docstring in which some variables are quoted. Here, variables doesn't seem to belong to the docstring for python-mode. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 4/24/08, Banibrata Dutta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Windows, I use PyScripter, and it's quite nice and functional. On 4/24/08, Torsten Bronger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallöchen! Bruno Desthuilliers writes: [...] and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. it chokes on unbalanced single quotes in triple-single-quoted strings, and on unbalanced double-quotes in triple-double-quoted strings, yes. Given that I never use triple-single-quoted strings (and don't remember having seen such a thing in the thousands of third-part .py files I've read so far), I'd qualify this as at most a very minor annoyance. Not having proper python-shell and pdb integration is more annoying IMHO. My formulation was unfortunate. What doesn't work (at least for me) is something like This is a docstring in which some variables are quoted. Here, variables doesn't seem to belong to the docstring for python-mode. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- regards, Banibrata http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta -- regards, Banibrata http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
Torsten Bronger a écrit : Hallöchen! Bruno Desthuilliers writes: [...] and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. it chokes on unbalanced single quotes in triple-single-quoted strings, and on unbalanced double-quotes in triple-double-quoted strings, yes. Given that I never use triple-single-quoted strings (and don't remember having seen such a thing in the thousands of third-part .py files I've read so far), I'd qualify this as at most a very minor annoyance. Not having proper python-shell and pdb integration is more annoying IMHO. My formulation was unfortunate. What doesn't work (at least for me) is something like This is a docstring in which some variables are quoted. Here, variables doesn't seem to belong to the docstring for python-mode. Nope, but it doesn't break anything neither. At this stage, this is a less than minor annoyance to me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python development tools
Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, RR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Apr 23, 12:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, RR Check out PyDev for Eclipse. It's like Visual Studio for Python...I actually find it kind of clunky, but it is cool! To see what else there is, check out the Python wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
i saw boa constructor to be most close to delphi in python editors.. it is still far away from delphi but, it is closest anyway. 2008/4/23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, RR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- İ.Bahattin Vidinli Elk-Elektronik Müh. --- iletisim bilgileri (Tercih sirasina gore): skype: bvidinli (sesli gorusme icin, www.skype.com) msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: bvidinli +90.532.7990607 +90.505.5667711 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Apr 23, 1:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, RR SPE is a very nice, and free python development tool. Written in python ansd uses wxpython for the gui. http://pythonide.blogspot.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On 23 avr, 19:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, emacs + python-mode (the one from Python, not the horror that ships with recent emacs versions) + ecb (Emacs code browser) No bells and whistles, no clickodrom, but one of the most powerful combo you can get. But be warned: learning and configuring emacs is not for wheenies !-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Python development tools
Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. Thanks, Ignoring the 'free' part of your question, I've recently moved from PyDev to Wing IDE (www.wingware.com), and would highly recommend it. Trent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
Hallöchen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 23 avr, 19:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. emacs + python-mode (the one from Python, not the horror that ships with recent emacs versions) What's so bad about it? I just installed python-mode (is this the one with the py- prefixes?), and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. That's bad. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (See http://ime.webhop.org for further contact info.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python development tools
On Apr 23, 3:52 pm, Torsten Bronger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hall�chen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 23 avr, 19:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any completely free developent tools for python scripts like IDLE. I have used IDLE , but I want to try out others also. I saw stuff like PyCrust, but I don't see that it can run the script as well. emacs + python-mode (the one from Python, not the horror that ships with recent emacs versions) What's so bad about it? I just installed python-mode (is this the one with the py- prefixes?), and it ends multi-line strings at single quotes. That's bad. Tsch�, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Seehttp://ime.webhop.orgfor further contact info.) Did you guys see PyPE editor? It just come out. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
