Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[boB Stepp]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:26 PM T Berger  wrote:

> I don't think I want to try a mail list. I had subscribed to the
> python-list a few weeks ago and then been forced to unsubscribe
> because of the flood of irrelevant posts.

I use Gmail.  It does allow various ways of filtering emails as has
been suggested.  I normally use the Gmail web interface.  This allows
for the creation of a "Forums" tab.  This is where I send all of my
technical forum posts for reading when I get time.  If you don't want
to figure out how to filter emails, an easy thing to do with this
Forums tab setup is when a Python List email arrives in your Inbox,
click and drag that email to the Forums tab.  Soon you will find that
all of these emails will go there instead of your normal Inbox tab.
If I find I don't want to read all of these emails (A true rarity!),
then I don't find it burdensome to select all of the emails I might
not want to read manually by checking all relevant check boxes and
then clicking on the trash can icon to get rid of them all.

Two things you _might_ want to do:

1) Subscribe to the Python Tutor email list.  Though the main list
people are more than happy to help out, you have noticed that this
list generates a lot of emails on many days.  The Tutor list is not so
busy usually.  Plus, if you are truly not comfortable with Python yet,
you are more likely to find those _other_ emails of some interest.
Also, many of the people like Ben, Steve, Cameron, etc. hang out in
the Tutor list, too, and provide tons of help to Python learners.

2) Some of your questions have not been directly Python-related.  You
will probably find better and quicker answers if you search out the
forums dedicated to those more specialized areas.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Ben Finney]

T Berger  writes:

> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Given that history [of ignoring user requests for improvement], you
> > might want to avoid Google Groups for interacting with forums, and
> > choose software that works better with discussion forums. I am told
> > Mozilla Thunderbird is a good choice, but there are likely others.
>
> I don't think I want to try a mail list.

Good news: you're already participating in one. That was easy! :-)

This is because the forum you're participating is distributed in many
media, *including* a mailing list. You may send some or all of your
messages using a different interface, but you're still participating in
the same forum as the rest of us and so you're participating on (among
other things) a mailing list.

> I had subscribed to the python-list a few weeks ago and then been
> forced to unsubscribe because of the flood of irrelevant posts.

Yes, this forum can sometimes host a high volume of discussion. You will
want to learn the “filter” feature (it may have a different name) of
whatever interface you use.

> Ben, I tried responding to your email from gmail. I hit the reply
> button, and got the below message. Do you know why?

I haven't got any insight to that error, no.

If you have an easy way to get official support for Google Groups, ask
there.

If you don't have an easy way to get support for the software, I'd say
that is a good hint to avoid using that software entirely.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[T Berger]

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote:
> T Berger  writes:
> 
> > I'm posting directly to the forum (computer.lang.python, at this web
> > address:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.python/vWCvLYjOWUQ)
> 
> Thanks for being specific. So, from that description, you are using the
> Google Groups web interface to read and send messages in this forum.
> 
> That is not “posting directly to the forum”, because this forum doesn't
> have a single canonical direct location. (And if it did, that location
> would certainly not be Google Groups.)

I don't have to tell you that I find this all very confusing.

> > And I have to apologize. The threads in my previous conversation,
> > ERRNO 48: Address already in use, are so extensive and hierarchical,
> > that they appear to be out of order. They're not.
> 
> Right. I gather, from many complaints by Google Groups users over many
> years, that it is a terrible interface for interacting with any forum.
> 
> The lack of proper threading support is just one of many well-known bugs
> that Google show no sign of correcting. They show every sign, in fact,
> of having no interest in listening to the requests from users of that
> software.

Ben, you may not have finished reading my post. It turns out that I
was wrong in thinking that the posts were out of order; they were just
so hard to follow because of all the side conversations. Once I
carefully followed the threads I saw that I had been wrong.

> Given that history, you might want to avoid Google Groups for
> interacting with forums, and choose software that works better with
> discussion forums. I am told Mozilla Thunderbird is a good choice, but
> there are likely others.

I don't think I want to try a mail list. I had subscribed to the
python-list a few weeks ago and then been forced to unsubscribe
because of the flood of irrelevant posts.

Ben, I tried responding to your email from gmail. I hit the reply button, and 
got the below message. Do you know why?

Mail Delivery Subsystem 
6:05 PM (5 hours ago)
Reply
to me 

Final-Recipient: rfc822; comp.lang.pyt...@googlegroups.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; Posting by email is not allowed, to post to this group 
visit https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.python
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT)

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Ben Finney]

T Berger  writes:

> I'm posting directly to the forum (computer.lang.python, at this web
> address:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.python/vWCvLYjOWUQ)

Thanks for being specific. So, from that description, you are using the
Google Groups web interface to read and send messages in this forum.

That is not “posting directly to the forum”, because this forum doesn't
have a single canonical direct location. (And if it did, that location
would certainly not be Google Groups.)

> And I have to apologize. The threads in my previous conversation,
> ERRNO 48: Address already in use, are so extensive and hierarchical,
> that they appear to be out of order. They're not.

Right. I gather, from many complaints by Google Groups users over many
years, that it is a terrible interface for interacting with any forum.

The lack of proper threading support is just one of many well-known bugs
that Google show no sign of correcting. They show every sign, in fact,
of having no interest in listening to the requests from users of that
software.

Given that history, you might want to avoid Google Groups for
interacting with forums, and choose software that works better with
discussion forums. I am told Mozilla Thunderbird is a good choice, but
there are likely others.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Richard Damon]

On 7/3/18 9:45 AM, Jim Lee wrote:
>
>
> On 07/03/18 08:49, T Berger wrote:
>>
>>   It would help if my conversations showed up in my gmail, but they
>> don't. I thought that would happen when I chose the "Automatically
>> subscribe me to email updates when I post to a topic" option in the
>> forum settings. Am I wrong? And is there some way to have my
>> conversations appear in both sites?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tamara
>
> For what it's worth, I don't get my own posts via email either, and I
> have that explicitly enabled in my subscription settings.
>
> -Jim
>
Jim, That's a 'feature' of gmail, it automatically suppresses duplicate
copies of messages (even if not identical) and considers the version
back from the list to be a duplicate of the one you sent.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Jim Lee]

On 07/03/18 08:49, T Berger wrote:


  It would help if my conversations showed up in my gmail, but they don't. I thought that 
would happen when I chose the "Automatically subscribe me to email updates when I 
post to a topic" option in the forum settings. Am I wrong? And is there some way to 
have my conversations appear in both sites?

Thanks,

Tamara


For what it's worth, I don't get my own posts via email either, and I 
have that explicitly enabled in my subscription settings.


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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[T Berger]

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 2:36:00 PM UTC-4, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:02 AM, T Berger  wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree view? And
> > why is the tree view completely out of order? My last two posts in this
> > view are from 6/27 and 6/28.
> >
> 
> I'm thinking you may want to specify what software you're talking about.
> If it's software for reading python-list, we don't all use the same
> programs.

Hi Dan,

I'm posting directly to the forum (computer.lang.python, at this web address: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.python/vWCvLYjOWUQ) and also 
following up on my posts here. And I have to apologize. The threads in my 
previous conversation, ERRNO 48: Address already in use, are so extensive and 
hierarchical, that they appear to be out of order. They're not. It's just that 
you guys continue talking amongst yourselves off my topic, so my last posts 
always get lost somewhere in the middle of the threads. Once I carefully 
followed the tree, I found that everything was listed chronologically. It would 
help if my conversations showed up in my gmail, but they don't. I thought that 
would happen when I chose the "Automatically subscribe me to email updates when 
I post to a topic" option in the forum settings. Am I wrong? And is there some 
way to have my conversations appear in both sites?

Thanks,

Tamara
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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 02 July 2018 18:29:17 Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2018-07-02, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Monday 02 July 2018 17:17:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2018-07-02, T Berger  wrote:
> >> > Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree
> >> > view?
> >>
> >> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual.html
> >
> > That s/b the default if threading is turned off. It is in T-bird and
> > kmail. But I've zero experience with slrn.
>
> I doubt the OP is using slrn.  But, since T Berger declined to provide
> any information at all about what _was_ being used, I thought I'd be
> snarky and assume that it was slrn, since it's obviously the best. :)
>
That depends on ones point of view, Grant. Best for me was Thor, on 
amigados.  There were no "fences" between email and a newsgroup, it 
handled it all.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Ben Finney]

T Berger  writes:

> Here is another question. I replied to this email in my inbox. But
> it's not showing here.

Please understand that the “here” you mention is subjective, for your
particular view of this forum.

This forum is distributed over many servers, and the participants here
use various different software – even different network protocols – to
interact. Your view, your “here” is *not* universal for the participants
in this forum.

So, if you want help with some specific software, you should ask the
people who support *that software*. This forum is unlikely to be the
best place to get that help.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Ben Finney]

T Berger  writes:

> Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree view?

Yes, depending on what software you use to interact with this forum. See
the documentation for that software.

In the case of Gnus, that ordering is the default when viewing the group
summary.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-07-02, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Monday 02 July 2018 17:17:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-02, T Berger  wrote:
>> > Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree
>> > view?
>>
>> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual.html
>
> That s/b the default if threading is turned off. It is in T-bird and 
> kmail. But I've zero experience with slrn.

I doubt the OP is using slrn.  But, since T Berger declined to provide
any information at all about what _was_ being used, I thought I'd be
snarky and assume that it was slrn, since it's obviously the best. :)

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 02 July 2018 17:17:21 Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2018-07-02, T Berger  wrote:
> > Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree
> > view?
>
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual.html

That s/b the default if threading is turned off. It is in T-bird and 
kmail. But I've zero experience with slrn.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-07-02, T Berger  wrote:

> Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree
> view?

http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual.html

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[T Berger]

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 2:36:00 PM UTC-4, Dan Stromberg wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:02 AM, T Berger  wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree view? And
> > why is the tree view completely out of order? My last two posts in this
> > view are from 6/27 and 6/28.
> >
> 
> I'm thinking you may want to specify what software you're talking about.
> If it's software for reading python-list, we don't all use the same
> programs.

Here is another question. I replied to this email in my inbox. But it's not 
showing here. And Dan's post did not arrive in my inbox. Neither are most 
posters' to my other questions. Yet I checked the box for "Automatically 
subscribe me to email updates when I post to a topic." What gives?
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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[MRAB]

On 2018-07-02 19:02, T Berger wrote:

Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree view? And why 
is the tree view completely out of order? My last two posts in this view are 
from 6/27 and 6/28.


You haven't said what software you're using to view this list.

Judging by your email address, I'm guessing that you're accessing this 
list via Google Groups in a browser.

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Re: Getting posts to sort chronologically in tree view

[Dan Stromberg]

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:02 AM, T Berger  wrote:

> Is there any way to set posts to appear chronologically in tree view? And
> why is the tree view completely out of order? My last two posts in this
> view are from 6/27 and 6/28.
>

I'm thinking you may want to specify what software you're talking about.
If it's software for reading python-list, we don't all use the same
programs.
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