Re: Newcomer Help
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote: 18) If you're on AOL, don't worry about anything I've said here. You're already a fucking laughing stock, and there's no hope for you. Ah, the email bigots. That's why I keep an AOL address around for occasional use against these jerks. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newcomer Help
- Original Message -
From: Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com
Cc: Python-List python-list@python.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: Newcomer Help
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Tim Delaney
timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote:
I've always worked in corporations where the email culture is the
Microsoft-induced lazy and stupid style as you describe.
ChrisA
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I am addressing this to the entire site - I thinks. And this will be my final
answer on this subject.
It remains to be seen if I remain on this site or tell all good bye.
For the most part, the few people who responded have responded in a polite
manner,
in an attempt to help me understand how this site works. And I have tried to
fall into line when
responding to emails. It probably appeared to some I was not trying to get on
board but this
is a significant change to the 20+years of my being involved in emails.
And yes Gisle Vanem, in spite of your doubts, I have been involved in emails in
excess of 20 years.
I suppose most of that has been in the Microsoft-induced 'lazy and stupid'
style as identified by
{Grant Edward}. However, I have responded to news lists and email groups
previously.
As I have stated, most people have been kind and helpful. Some have addressed
my lack of conformance
to the policies and procedures and have attempted to instruct me in a polite
manner. To those I say
Thank You for your understanding and attempts to help me.
Some have provided answers to the initial issues I had. And as a novice to
programming, I do
appreciate their assistance. I have not attempted all the possible fixes yet
but I will i the
near future. I say Thank You to each of you.
To those who responded in a much less friendly attitude, even at times coming
across in a very rude
manner - I really have nothing to say. You have not attempted to help resolve
my initial issues and
your attitudes have caused me to feel this is not a place where I can learn
much. Yes, there is a lot
I could learn, but some attitudes make me desire to no longer be involved in
discussions.
Walter
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Re: Newcomer Help
On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:52:51 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote:
I am addressing this to the entire site - I thinks. And this will be my final
answer on this subject.
It remains to be seen if I remain on this site or tell all good bye.
For the most part, the few people who responded have responded in a polite
manner,
in an attempt to help me understand how this site works. And I have tried to
fall into line when
responding to emails. It probably appeared to some I was not trying to get on
board but this
is a significant change to the 20+years of my being involved in emails.
And yes Gisle Vanem, in spite of your doubts, I have been involved in emails
in excess of 20 years.
I suppose most of that has been in the Microsoft-induced 'lazy and stupid'
style as identified by
{Grant Edward}. However, I have responded to news lists and email groups
previously.
As I have stated, most people have been kind and helpful. Some have addressed
my lack of conformance
to the policies and procedures and have attempted to instruct me in a polite
manner. To those I say
Thank You for your understanding and attempts to help me.
Some have provided answers to the initial issues I had. And as a novice to
programming, I do
appreciate their assistance. I have not attempted all the possible fixes yet
but I will i the
near future. I say Thank You to each of you.
To those who responded in a much less friendly attitude, even at times coming
across in a very rude
manner - I really have nothing to say. You have not attempted to help resolve
my initial issues and
your attitudes have caused me to feel this is not a place where I can learn
much. Yes, there is a lot
I could learn, but some attitudes make me desire to no longer be involved in
discussions.
I am reminded of a story from the book Outliers.
It regards a Colombian plane crash near New York some decades ago.
The plane had run out of fuel.
The pilot and his assistant tried to communicate this to the control tower.
Now the NY control tower guys are described as the most efficient in the world
-- and the rudest.
So when the pilots got some piece of NY rudeness they said Yes Sir!
slunk off and crashed the plane! (Instead of shouting MAYDAY or whatever pilots
are supposed to do in such circumstances).
This is Usenet. You'll learn much here and you'll find a bunch of rude people.
No you are not going to crash your plane but you will likely crash your
python-learning attempts if you give an occasional asshole more importance
than is his due.
I suggest
1. You focus on your goal -- learning python or whatever is the larger
personal goal of which learning python is a part
2. A bullet-proof vest
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: This is Usenet. You'll learn much here and you'll find a bunch of rude people. No you are not going to crash your plane but you will likely crash your python-learning attempts if you give an occasional asshole more importance than is his due. I suggest 1. You focus on your goal -- learning python or whatever is the larger personal goal of which learning python is a part 2. A bullet-proof vest This reminds me of post that was circulating in the early 90's: Welcome to the Internet. No one here likes you. We're going to offend, insult, abuse, and belittle the living hell out of you. And when you rail against us with FUCK YOU YOU GEEK WIMP SKATER GOTH LOSER PUNK FAG BITCH!1!!, we smile to ourselves. We laugh at you because you don't get it. Then we turn up the heat, hoping to draw more entertainment from your irrational fuming. We will judge you, and we will find you unworthy. It is a trial by fire, and we won't even think about turning down the flames until you finally understand. Some of you are smart enough to realize that, when you go online, it's like entering a foreign country ... and you know better than to ignorantly fuck with the locals. You take the time to listen and think before speaking. You learn, and by learning are gladly welcomed. For some of you, it takes a while, then one day it all dawns on you - you get it, and are welcomed into the fold. Some of you give up, and we breathe a sigh of relief - we didn't want you here anyway. And some of you just never get it. The offensively clueless have a special place in our hearts - as objects of ridicule. We don't like you, but we do love you. You will get mad. You will tell us to go to hell, and call us nerds and geeks. Don't bother ... we already know exactly what we are. And, much like the way hardcore rap has co-opted the word nigger, turning an insult around on itself to become a semiserious badge of honor, so have we done. How dare you! I used to beat the crap out of punks like you in high school/college! You may have owned the playing field because you were an athlete. You may have owned the student council because you were more popular. You may have owned the hallways and sidewalks because you were big and intimidating. Well, welcome to our world. Things like athleticism, popularity, and physical prowess mean nothing here. We place no value on them ... or what car you drive, the size of your bank account, what you do for a living or where you went to school. Allow us to introduce you to the concept of a meritocracy - the closest thing to a form of self-government we have. In The United Meritocratic nation-states of the Internet, those who can do, rule. Those who wish to rule, learn. Everyone else watches from the stands. You may posses everything in the off-line world. We don't care. You come to the Internet penniless, lacking the only thing of real value here: knowledge. Who cares? The Internet isn't real anyway! This attitude is universally unacceptable. The Internet is real. Real people live behind those handles and screen names. Real machines allow it to exist. It's real enough to change government policy, real enough to feed the world's hungry, and even, for some of us, real enough to earn us a paycheck. Using your own definition, how real is your job? Your stock portfolio? Your political party? What is the meaning of real, anyway? Do I sound arrogant? Sure ... to you. Because you probably don't get it yet. If you insist on staying, then, at the very least, follow this advice: 1) No one, ESPECIALLY YOU, will make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. 2) Use your brain before ever putting fingers to keys. 3) Do you want a picture of you getting anally raped by Bill Clinton while you're performing oral sex on a cow saved to hundreds of thousands of people's hard drives? No? Then don't put your fucking picture on the Internet. We can, will, and probably already HAVE altered it in awful ways. Expect it to show up on an equally offensive website. 4) Realize that you are never, EVER going to get that, or any other, offensive web page taken down. Those of us who run those sites LIVE to piss off people like you. Those of us who don't run those sites sometimes visit them just to read the hatemail from fools like you. 5) Oh, you say you're going to a lawyer? Be prepared for us to giggle with girlish delight, and for your lawyer to laugh in your face after he explains current copyright and parody law. 6) The Web is not the Internet. Stop referring to it that way. 7) We have already received the e-mail you are about to forward to us. Shut up. 8) Don't reply to spam. You are not going to be unsubscribed. 9) Don't ever use the term
Re: Newcomer Help
On 2014-02-13, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote: 9) Don't ever use the term cyberspace (only William Gibson gets to say that, and even he hasn't really used it for two or three books now). Likewise, you prove yourself a marketing-hype victim if you ever use the term surfing. 9b) And don't use any other term beginning with cyber either. That will infallibly identify you as somebody who hasn't a clue and are most likely a half-witted local news reporter or government official. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Sometime in 1993 at NANCY SINATRA will lead a gmail.comBLOODLESS COUP on GUAM!! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-02-12, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: In other contexts eg corporates, often the culture is the opposite: top-posting with strictly NO trimming. I've never found a corporation that objects to the sensible conversation-style, minimal-quotes-for-context interleaved posting style. I've always worked in corporations where the email culture is the Microsoft-induced lazy and stupid style as you describe. And yet when I respond with editted quotes and interleaved repies like this I consitently get nothing favorable comments about it. Some people have even asked how I do it -- though they don't seem to adopt it. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! FEELINGS are cascading at over me!!! gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2014-02-12, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: In other contexts eg corporates, often the culture is the opposite: top-posting with strictly NO trimming. I've never found a corporation that objects to the sensible conversation-style, minimal-quotes-for-context interleaved posting style. I've always worked in corporations where the email culture is the Microsoft-induced lazy and stupid style as you describe. Lazy, stupid, and vulnerable to a major privacy breach. I haven't personally experienced this, but my Mum has on occasion: a (lengthy) private conversation between two people in an organization, then they come to a conclusion that should go public, and cc someone outside the organization (my Mum, in this case) on the final email.. complete with the entire history. Yup. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2014-02-12, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: In other contexts eg corporates, often the culture is the opposite: top-posting with strictly NO trimming. I've never found a corporation that objects to the sensible conversation-style, minimal-quotes-for-context interleaved posting style. I've always worked in corporations where the email culture is the Microsoft-induced lazy and stupid style as you describe. And yet when I respond with editted quotes and interleaved repies like this I consitently get nothing favorable comments about it. Some people have even asked how I do it -- though they don't seem to adopt it. Yep - the problem is that you usually have to fight against the tools to do it. It's worth the effort, but it can be really hard when you've got an already existing top-posted email thread with people using bizarre fonts and colours throughout. Tim Delaney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 February 2014 02:17, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: I've always worked in corporations where the email culture is the Microsoft-induced lazy and stupid style as you describe. And yet when I respond with editted quotes and interleaved repies like this I consitently get nothing favorable comments about it. Some people have even asked how I do it -- though they don't seem to adopt it. Yep - the problem is that you usually have to fight against the tools to do it. It's worth the effort, but it can be really hard when you've got an already existing top-posted email thread with people using bizarre fonts and colours throughout. Ugh, yes. I run a mailman list for a non-profit organization's committee... some of the people on that list know about standard netiquette, but others will quote the entire thread and add a me too with a multi-font, multi-color signature. When the latter sort get into conversation, it's possible for emails to trip the messages over this many bytes go to the moderator rule... I've given up trying to explain. :| ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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No, Gisle Vanem - I do NOT get the picture. First of all you did NOT answer my question. And this is the way I always have - and the people I typically respond to - respond to emails. Check the end - if that is where you expect me to enter any additional info. - Original Message - From: Gisle Vanem gva...@yahoo.no To: Walter Hughey wkhug...@gmail.com Cc: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:13:44 PM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help Walter Hughey wkhug...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? When replying, the most important thing to remember is... order. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Get the picture now newcomer? --gv -- this crap came from you - Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. Walter - Original Message - From: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com To: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the python...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter From: Walter Hughey wkhu...@gmail.com To: python...@python.org Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM Subject: Newcomer Help Greetings, I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like ActiveTcl 8.5 installed. I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable. I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose New File then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting IdleClose Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you more specific answers. However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that after starting it if you type say: 2 + 3 RETURN you get 5 If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers develop, viz Write your code in a normal text editor
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On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:19:53 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: This newcomer apologizes for -- this crap came from you -. Firstly, on the behalf of the list, Apologies for uncalled for and unhelpful rudeness I suppose what you mean by top posting is replying to an email by entering a reply at the top when according to your policies and procedures - a person should reply at the bottom of the email - like this. IF/WHEN I am on this site, I shall do my utmost best to change the way I and the people I normally work with to reply at the bottom, Assuming Gisle Vanem this is what you mean and what you want. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Most people here prefer interleaved posting with significant trimming. In other contexts eg corporates, often the culture is the opposite: top-posting with strictly NO trimming. And one more suggestion: Use text mode for your posts not html I hope I have not totally destroyed all of everybody's systems with my inappropriate and thoughtless disregard for the sanctity of this site. May be it be best I not reply/ask for help/or in any way be involved in this site. No you have done no such thing and I hope you wont generalize one instance to the whole community -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:19:53 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: I suppose what you mean by top posting is replying to an email by entering a reply at the top That's right. Top-posting is wasteful of the reader's time while it also omits a lot of contextual information. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Most people here prefer interleaved posting with significant trimming. It's worth pointing out that you will likely find the “interleaved posting with trimmed quotations” to be *acceptable* virtually everywhere on the internet. So it's a good practice to adopt for all such forums. In other contexts eg corporates, often the culture is the opposite: top-posting with strictly NO trimming. I've never found a corporation that objects to the sensible conversation-style, minimal-quotes-for-context interleaved posting style. And one more suggestion: Use text mode for your posts not html Yes, especially for technical forums where you'll need to frequently show *exactly* what text you mean, without unexpected rendering differences. -- \ “Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; | `\those in philosophy only ridiculous.” —David Hume, _A Treatise | _o__) of Human Nature_, 1739 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the python...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter From: Walter Hughey wkhu...@gmail.com To: python...@python.org Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM Subject: Newcomer Help Greetings, I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like ActiveTcl 8.5 installed. I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable. I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose New File then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting IdleClose Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you more specific answers. However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that after starting it if you type say: 2 + 3 RETURN you get 5 If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers develop, viz Write your code in a normal text editor Load it into the interpreter Check it Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. Walter - Original Message - From: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com To: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the python...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter From: Walter Hughey wkhu...@gmail.com To: python...@python.org Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM Subject: Newcomer Help Greetings, I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like ActiveTcl 8.5 installed. I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable. I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose New File then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting IdleClose Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you more specific answers. However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that after starting it if you type say: 2 + 3 RETURN you get 5 If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers develop, viz Write your code in a normal text editor Load it into the interpreter Check it Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2014-02-10, Walter Hughey wkhug...@gmail.com wrote: Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. Can't you just use whatever to edit a Python source file and then run it like you do on other Unix systems? $ emacs myprog.py or $ vi myprog.py or $ myeditor myprog.py then $ python myprog.py -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The SAME WAVE keeps at coming in and COLLAPSING gmail.comlike a rayon MUU-MUU ... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newcomer Help
Walter Hughey wkhug...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial? When replying, the most important thing to remember is... order. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Get the picture now newcomer? --gv -- this crap came from you - Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today. Walter - Original Message - From: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com To: python-list@python.org Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: Newcomer Help On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote: I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the python...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter From: Walter Hughey wkhu...@gmail.com To: python...@python.org Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM Subject: Newcomer Help Greetings, I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code. I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version. While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a python.org 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later, you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like ActiveTcl 8.5 installed. I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. When I open Idle, I see a warning that The version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable. I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I open Idle, choose New File then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting IdleClose Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit. I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version. A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner! Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here. I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you more specific answers. However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that after starting it if you type say: 2 + 3 RETURN you get 5 If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers develop, viz Write your code in a normal text editor Load it into the interpreter Check it Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newcomer Help
On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Walter Hughey wkhug...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the pythonmac-...@python.org a few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am supposed to be a member. I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer. Thank you, Walter Walter, I'm one of the (relatively few) people on this list who develops using Macs and therefore also subscribes to pythonmac-sig. I don't know what may have happened to your e-mail, but I can assure you that if you didn't get answers from the pythonmac list it wasn't because people were ignoring you. I've looked back through the last six months of pythonmac and saw nothing with your name in it. I assume you signed up here: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig if not, that would explain things. I see others are providing the help you need, so I won't attempt any other comments. -Bill -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
