Re: Tools for web applications
Concerning Desktop applications, I would really suggestion PyQt. I don't know if it's "easyToLearn", but with its GUI designer you can very quickly get a cool looking application (and if you need to extend your app later, it offers, imo, much more possibilities that other toolkits I've tried). Regards, pascal Mario a écrit : What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web applications 2. desktop applications -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Scott David Daniels wrote: Marco Mariani wrote: What you call "code completion" cannot work in many cases with dynamic languages. Nobody knows which methods are available to an object until the program is running I must admit that I've never used completion of anything while developing. I routinely it do with the IPython shell, and I would suffer if I didn't have it in postgres, but not while editing python. As Scott indicates, one can often do a fairly good job. I'm definitely not a Java guy, but I've heard that Java generics (don't ask me to identify one of them! :) can cause similar pains for Java autocomplete/calltips as some dynamic language patterns can. You'd be amazed at how much ActiveState's Python _can_ and _does_ guess/infer about available methods. It is pretty fancy (even for an old stick-in-the-mud "Lave my keyboard alone" guy like me. Do you mean Komodo? http://www.activestate.com/komodo/ Trent -- Trent Mick trentm at activestate.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tools for web applications
Marco Mariani wrote: Mario wrote: I used JCreator LE, java IDE for windows because, when I add documentation of some new library, I have it on a F1 and index. So how you manage documentation and code completion ? I asume that you are geek but not even geeks could know every method of every class. What you call "code completion" cannot work in many cases with dynamic languages. Nobody knows which methods are available to an object until the program is running I must admit that I've never used completion of anything while developing. I routinely it do with the IPython shell, and I would suffer if I didn't have it in postgres, but not while editing python. You'd be amazed at how much ActiveState's Python _can_ and _does_ guess/infer about available methods. It is pretty fancy (even for an old stick-in-the-mud "Lave my keyboard alone" guy like me. --Scott David Daniels [no affiliation, except former customer] scott.dani...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Mario wrote: I used JCreator LE, java IDE for windows because, when I add documentation of some new library, I have it on a F1 and index. So how you manage documentation and code completion ? I asume that you are geek but not even geeks could know every method of every class. What you call "code completion" cannot work in many cases with dynamic languages. Nobody knows which methods are available to an object until the program is running. Dynamic access to attributes/methods that don't explicitly exist in Python code, is much more common than you might think. As an example, your object might be an instance of a class mapped to SQL tables that are reflected at runtime. Attributes would represent database columns and other things that are never declared in Python code. Or suppose the object is returned by an XML/HTML/JSON parser from a document the program has just downloaded from Argentina. Methods here would be the sub-elements or tag attributes for traversing the document. The instance we're talking of might even be deserialized from ... somewhere, without any need to declare type or any interface at all. I must admit that I've never used completion of anything while developing. I routinely it do with the IPython shell, and I would suffer if I didn't have it in postgres, but not while editing python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> I used JCreator LE, java IDE for windows because, when I add documentation > of some new library, I have it on a F1 and index. So how you manage > documentation and code completion ? I asume that you are geek but not even > geeks could know every method of every class. Vi has code completion and arbitrary documentation can be built in via external programs or vi scripts linked to arbitrary keys. Currently I'm using the C documentation that is packaged as a vi script and the python documentation that is accessed through pydoc. In case your current IDE does not support python but you enjoy using a GUI maybe Wing IDE or Eclipse with the pydev plugin will be to your liking. Cheers, Daniel > "Daniel Fetchinson" wrote in message > news:mailman.4767.1241024136.11746.python-l...@python.org... > What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web > applications Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. > 2. desktop applications Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice can be given. Cheers, Daniel >>> >>> And what IDE you suggest ? >> >> I use vi, I like it much more than any IDE (or is vi an IDE?). Your >> needs might be different though. I'd suggest using something you are >> already familiar with, most IDEs work with different languages so if >> you used one already chances are it will understand python too. >> >>> I need an information about tools for a quick >>> start, so that I can decide about learning Ruby, python or something >>> else. >> >> This will give you a good start: >> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html >> And also this: http://diveintopython.org/ >> >>> My field of interest is a small business applications (desktop and >>> web), so that I have a practical tool for practical use of accounting and >>> financial methods. >> >> Well, pretty much any modern dynamical language will be suitable for >> what you describe. I would personally recommend python but that >> doesn't mean ruby or anything else can't do the job, you have to >> decide which language "feels" right for you. >> >> Cheers, >> Daniel >> >> -- >> Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown > > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I used JCreator LE, java IDE for windows because, when I add documentation of some new library, I have it on a F1 and index. So how you manage documentation and code completion ? I asume that you are geek but not even geeks could know every method of every class. "Daniel Fetchinson" wrote in message news:mailman.4767.1241024136.11746.python-l...@python.org... What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web applications >>> >>> Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks >>> >>> You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd >>> emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their >>> favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself >>> which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. >>> 2. desktop applications >>> >>> Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you >>> perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above >>> apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice >>> can be given. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Daniel >> >> And what IDE you suggest ? > > I use vi, I like it much more than any IDE (or is vi an IDE?). Your > needs might be different though. I'd suggest using something you are > already familiar with, most IDEs work with different languages so if > you used one already chances are it will understand python too. > >> I need an information about tools for a quick >> start, so that I can decide about learning Ruby, python or something >> else. > > This will give you a good start: > http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html > And also this: http://diveintopython.org/ > >> My field of interest is a small business applications (desktop and >> web), so that I have a practical tool for practical use of accounting and >> financial methods. > > Well, pretty much any modern dynamical language will be suitable for > what you describe. I would personally recommend python but that > doesn't mean ruby or anything else can't do the job, you have to > decide which language "feels" right for you. > > Cheers, > Daniel > > -- > Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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>>> What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web >>> applications >> >> Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks >> >> You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd >> emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their >> favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself >> which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. >> >>> 2. desktop applications >> >> Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you >> perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above >> apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice >> can be given. >> >> Cheers, >> Daniel > > And what IDE you suggest ? I use vi, I like it much more than any IDE (or is vi an IDE?). Your needs might be different though. I'd suggest using something you are already familiar with, most IDEs work with different languages so if you used one already chances are it will understand python too. > I need an information about tools for a quick > start, so that I can decide about learning Ruby, python or something > else. This will give you a good start: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html And also this: http://diveintopython.org/ > My field of interest is a small business applications (desktop and > web), so that I have a practical tool for practical use of accounting and > financial methods. Well, pretty much any modern dynamical language will be suitable for what you describe. I would personally recommend python but that doesn't mean ruby or anything else can't do the job, you have to decide which language "feels" right for you. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:38:53 +, Mario wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:37:57 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > >>> What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web >>> applications >> >> Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks >> >> You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd >> emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their >> favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself >> which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. >> >>> 2. desktop applications >> >> Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you >> perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above >> apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice >> can be given. >> >> Cheers, >> Daniel > > And what IDE you suggest ? I need an information about tools for a quick > start, so that I can decide about learning Ruby, python or something > else. My field of interest is a small business applications (desktop and > web), so that I have a practical tool for practical use of accounting > and financial methods. Is it NetBeans suitable for Python ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:37:57 -0700, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: 1. powerfull web >> applications > > Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks > > You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd > emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their > favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself > which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. > >> 2. desktop applications > > Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you > perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at > http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above > apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice > can be given. > > Cheers, > Daniel And what IDE you suggest ? I need an information about tools for a quick start, so that I can decide about learning Ruby, python or something else. My field of interest is a small business applications (desktop and web), so that I have a practical tool for practical use of accounting and financial methods. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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> What easyToLearn tools you suggest for creating: > 1. powerfull web applications Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks You will find that there are many options each with its own fan crowd emphasizing the advantages and downplaying the disadvantages of their favorite framework. You will pretty much have to decide for yourself which suits you best. I'm personally very happy with turbogears. > 2. desktop applications Dabo is a desktop application framework: http://dabodev.com/ Or you perhaps mean a GUI framework? Have a look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming The same comments as above apply, you need to detail your requirements before an informed advice can be given. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Tools for web applications
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