Re: why python got less developers ?
It seems to be a language embraced by people who enjoy coding. Not so much by the time-spent-seeking-degree to paycheck ratio balancing crowd. Or maybe I just hate bloated IDEs and I've heard too many Java dev jokes to be impartial. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
On Aug 29, 11:14 pm, kennyken747 wrote: (snip) > You guys can say anything you'd like it to be in this thread, but the > actual reason comes down to > 1. No marketing. Seriously, if Microsoft was pushing Python it would > obviously be a lot bigger in terms of developers. I really don't care if 100 or 100 million are using Python as long as it will endure my lifetime so i can use it ;). But it would be interesting to see a good approx of this number... just for kicks > Also, really guys? This crap about speed? People have been saying this > for years, and yet they still don't realize that there are plenty > solutions to take care of that one problem. > > Just be happy that you've stumbled upon Python, just because it's not > the most widespread language in the world certainly doesn't mean it's > not a worthy language. Quite the opposite. Your post seems a contridiction of itself? i am confused :\ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Esam Qanadeely wrote: >On Aug 28, 8:27 am, Tim Roberts wrote: >> Deep_Feelings wrote: >> >> >python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high >> >level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? >> >> How do you know, and why does it matter? >> >> By the way, .NET is not a language. I assume you meant C#. > >you know when you go to forums and compare the number of posts and >topics ,and you know when you google and compare the number of results > >.NET= i meant all .NET languages That's hardly a fair way to categorize things. "All .NET languages" includes C++, C#, Basic, Java (in J#), Ocaml (in F#), and Python. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 29, 6:16 am, paul wrote: > Deep_Feelings schrieb:> python got relatively fewer numbers of developers > than other high > > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > Besides the marketing argument, python never had a "hype". > > Both PHP and ruby(Rails to be precise) got widespread because they could > at one point do "one" thing better than the competition. From there > on, they had more ressources (developer time) and grew fast and beyond > the original problem domain. Now you can write GUI apps in PHP, great! > > cheers > Paul You guys can say anything you'd like it to be in this thread, but the actual reason comes down to 1. No marketing. Seriously, if Microsoft was pushing Python it would obviously be a lot bigger in terms of developers. 2. No certification. Millions go to college to get degrees in computer related study. Do the math. Also, really guys? This crap about speed? People have been saying this for years, and yet they still don't realize that there are plenty solutions to take care of that one problem. Just be happy that you've stumbled upon Python, just because it's not the most widespread language in the world certainly doesn't mean it's not a worthy language. Quite the opposite. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Deep_Feelings schrieb: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Besides the marketing argument, python never had a "hype". Both PHP and ruby(Rails to be precise) got widespread because they could at one point do "one" thing better than the competition. From there on, they had more ressources (developer time) and grew fast and beyond the original problem domain. Now you can write GUI apps in PHP, great! cheers Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article , wrote: >Chris Rebert wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelings >> wrote: >>> >>> python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high >>> level languages like .NET , java .. etc  why ? >> >> We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) > >I'm inclined to agreed. But in recent years we lost a number of developers >to Ruby. Cite? I mean, I'm sure it's not zero, but "a number" implies quite a bit more than zero, which I'm inclined to doubt without good evidence. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "I support family values -- Addams family values" --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 28, 10:36 am, jfabi...@yolo.com wrote: (snip) > I'm inclined to agreed. But in recent years we lost a number of developers > to Ruby. I don't know but I doubt Ruby has a marketing budget. So in my > mind it is difficult for me to blame just the lack of marketing dollars for > the lost. Yes probably have since you can write Ruby code that almost mimics Python code, well except for that annoying "end" statement ;). But i think Ruby attracts more perl-heads and lispers anyhow. And i really doubt we want to caterer to that bunch *wink*. I shudder when i imagine a world without Python's simplistic beauty, it is a very scary thought... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:03 AM, Esam Qanadeely wrote: who cares if a language is compiled or interpreted as long as it runs and perform the function. second thing is : even if java is faster than python , unless you are making performance critical operations : who cares? computers are getting faster all the time and languages like python or ruby are fast enough. any comment ? Many developers suffer from performance anxiety. Charles Yeomans -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Chris Rebert wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelings > wrote: >> python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high >> level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) I'm inclined to agreed. But in recent years we lost a number of developers to Ruby. I don't know but I doubt Ruby has a marketing budget. So in my mind it is difficult for me to blame just the lack of marketing dollars for the lost. I do take heart in a recent article (on Linux today). that less than 5% of open source is using C#. Which tells me that .Net in the open source world is not doing well. So in my opinion the OP is wrong when he includes .Net in his assessment of developers. As far as what the OP is suggesting I'm not to sure it matters how many total developers are using Python. Python is always in the top ten of the languages in use. And therefore is very popular. I use it daily. But it does not mean I don't use other languages too. Johnf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:34:17 -0700, Deep_Feelings wrote: > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level > languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Python programmers are the elite. The elite are always fewer than the masses. -- Steven who is three quarters joking -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 28, 9:55 am, sturlamolden wrote: > On 28 Aug, 02:34, Deep_Feelings wrote: > > > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > Because we are better, so fewer are needed. That makes sense!! :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 28 Aug, 02:34, Deep_Feelings wrote: > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Because we are better, so fewer are needed. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Esam Qanadeely wrote: who cares if a language is compiled or interpreted as long as it runs and perform the function. second thing is : even if java is faster than python , unless you are making performance critical operations : who cares? computers are getting faster all the time and languages like python or ruby are fast enough. any comment ? I like to second that, if performance is *that* important you wouldn't go with Java either, you be better of with C or even assembly. Doesn't mean you should write everything in C, just the parts that are performance critical, preferably with a 'slow' fall back if there isn't an optimized routine available yet for a specific platform. -- MPH http://blog.dcuktec.com 'If consumed, best digested with added seasoning to own preference.' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 28 août, 02:47, MRAB wrote: > Deep_Feelings wrote: > > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > Fewer needed? excellent answer. LOL. Olivier -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Esam Qanadeely wrote: .NET= i meant all .NET languages What? You mean like Python? ;-) Google IronPython ya troll... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 27, 7:34 pm, Deep_Feelings wrote: > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Oh, and why on god's green would you ever compare Java (*puke*) and Python in the same breath? You say Python is a "high-level-language"? Well sir, i say Python is a "super-high-level-language" that approaches pseudo code simplicity *but* stays far enough away from it so as not to be scorched by it's asinine synonymous quirks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 28, 8:27 am, Tim Roberts wrote: > Deep_Feelings wrote: > > >python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > >level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > How do you know, and why does it matter? > > By the way, .NET is not a language. I assume you meant C#. > -- > Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com > Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. you know when you go to forums and compare the number of posts and topics ,and you know when you google and compare the number of results .NET= i meant all .NET languages -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Deep_Feelings wrote: > >python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high >level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? How do you know, and why does it matter? By the way, .NET is not a language. I assume you meant C#. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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i meant fast enough for most (but not all) applications -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why python got less developers ?
who cares if a language is compiled or interpreted as long as it runs and perform the function. second thing is : even if java is faster than python , unless you are making performance critical operations : who cares? computers are getting faster all the time and languages like python or ruby are fast enough. any comment ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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r wrote: > As long as Java > can be complied strait to machine code I think you meant "compared" here. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 27, 7:34 pm, Deep_Feelings wrote: > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Ugh? Well maybe if you put some deep_thoughts into this conundrum you may reveal the answer to your self. Python is an interpreted "scripting", "glue", and "sys administation" language. As long as Java can be complied strait to machine code and constantly run light years faster than Python Java will always win in this area. But who cares, Python is not meant for writing OS's or 3D games of the year, and i am quite happy it is made to be that way. Python will never be as popular as C, Java, etc for all these reasons. And since your chances of making a living writing Java code verses Python code are absolute, then of course that is where the pros will go. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Esam Qanadeely wrote: > On Aug 28, 3:46 am, Chris Rebert wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelings wrote: >> > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high >> > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? >> >> We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> --http://blog.rebertia.com > > any technical reasons ?? > -- Not really. It's mostly because of the lack of marketing departments and pieces of paper to placate business majors (what Microsoft and Sun call "certification") > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Aug 28, 3:46 am, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelings wrote: > > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? > > We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) > > Cheers, > Chris > --http://blog.rebertia.com any technical reasons ?? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Deep_Feelings wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Perhaps because we value QUALITY over QUANTITY ... Gary Herron -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Deep_Feelings wrote: python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? Fewer needed? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Deep_Feelings wrote: > python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high > level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? We lack Sun and Microsoft's massive marketing departments. :) Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
why python got less developers ?
python got relatively fewer numbers of developers than other high level languages like .NET , java .. etc why ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
