Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Finding what a broken alias refers to.
On Jun 23, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Hubert Holin wrote: On 21 juin 2005, at 22:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 juin 2005 17:49:59 HAEC To: Hubert Holin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Finding what a broken alias refers to. On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Hubert Holin wrote: Likewise, the Alias Manager functions FSMatchAlias and FSMatchAliasNoUI seem not to be wrapped. What can I do, short of writing a C++ extension? Writing a C extension or using the FFI available in PyObjC or ctypes are the only ways to bridge unwrapped functions. A question: I'd much, much rather use C++ than C (and never mind Objective-C). I have some idea of how to write Python extensions in C++, using Boost.Python. From reading what little documentation there is on Objective-C++, I see there are possible issues between the C++ and Objective-C runtimes. If I build a C++ extension and intend to use it along with PyObjC, am I inviting trouble ;-) ? Yes, but you really don't want to use something like Boost unless you have a fair amount of existing C++ code. In this case you need one or two functions, and it's more than overkill. C++ code and Objective-C code play together just fine. In the case of Objective-C++ (a separate language, but the same runtime), you can mix the two in the same source file with a few limitations (namely putting C++ in ivars and expecting ctor/dtor stuff to happen automatically, etc.). This is a don't-write-broken-source-code kind of issue, it can't happen by mixing things at runtime with Python. From: Chinook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 juin 2005 18:20:07 HAEC To: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Finding what a broken alias refers to. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] csvline = _cellpos(dlfpath, alvl, blvl, clvl) Thank you for the suggestion. May I ask where _cellpos is documented? Yes, I am a newbee in more fields than one :-) . In his project, if you're lucky. It's certainly nothing standard. On 22 juin 2005, at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: has [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22 juin 2005 01:39:32 HAEC To: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Finding what a broken alias refers to. Likewise, the Alias Manager functions FSMatchAlias and FSMatchAliasNoUI seem not to be wrapped. Ditto FSCopyAliasInfo. Unfortunately I don't think Python's Carbon wrappers have been updated much since their creation back in pre-OS X days. You could probably patch up a copy yourself without much trouble; it's a slightly hackish solution, but not that hard to do (I've done it myself and my C's rubbish). Is there a way I can contribute (using some of the time slots I now try to put aside for Boost and the unreasonable number of things I intend to do)? Currently, all of the wrapped Carbon functionality is done with an ancient, fragile and undocumented parser/generator called bgen, which parses out Universal Headers and spits out potentially working Python bindings. In order to make a useful contribution to those modules, you'd have to learn it, which really isn't worth doing. For your own purposes you could hack the C code it spits out directly, but unless it's done with bgen, it's not going to end up in Python CVS. -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Eclipse + PyDev
I tried it. My initial impression was unfavorable -- it seemed cluttered and unfocused and I had trouble figuring out how to do the stuff I wanted to do. But it may just be a learning curve issue. I'd love to hear more from folks who really know it. Is it fair to say most of the issues people have with it are because of Eclipse rather than the PyDev plugin? I'm used the Eclipse environment (and IBM's WSAD) so I know how to find my way around and I'm used to the memory and CPU footprint. I installed the PyDev plugin. While I've only used it briefly, it seems to be fine. Just wondering if there some other gotchas or issues other than Eclipse itself. Derek ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Eclipse + PyDev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've tried to use PyDev, but apart from the speed issue, Eclipse's interface is so sprawling and unintuitive that I haven't even figured out how to get PyDev started. Perhaps I'm missing something, and if you find Eclipse a pleasant environment to work in, go for it. Cheers, Kevin Walzer, PhD WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X http://www.wordtech-software.com http://www.kevin-walzer.com http://www.smallbizmac.com. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Derek Lee-Wo wrote: |I tried it. My initial impression was unfavorable -- it seemed cluttered |and unfocused and I had trouble figuring out how to do the stuff I |wanted to do. But it may just be a learning curve issue. I'd love to |hear more from folks who really know it. | | | Is it fair to say most of the issues people have with it are because | of Eclipse rather than the PyDev plugin? | | I'm used the Eclipse environment (and IBM's WSAD) so I know how to | find my way around and I'm used to the memory and CPU footprint. I | installed the PyDev plugin. While I've only used it briefly, it seems | to be fine. Just wondering if there some other gotchas or issues | other than Eclipse itself. | | Derek | ___ | Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org | http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCuv9EJmdQs+6YVcoRAseHAJ9E9Ytwdenw2PDsYKRwmbfGjUD7zgCfdSD9 goeEppXes2wjCsxU4RzNj6E= =rZnw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Eclipse + PyDev
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Derek Lee-Wo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it. My initial impression was unfavorable -- it seemed cluttered and unfocused and I had trouble figuring out how to do the stuff I wanted to do. But it may just be a learning curve issue. I'd love to hear more from folks who really know it. Is it fair to say most of the issues people have with it are because of Eclipse rather than the PyDev plugin? I'm used the Eclipse environment (and IBM's WSAD) so I know how to find my way around and I'm used to the memory and CPU footprint. I installed the PyDev plugin. While I've only used it briefly, it seems to be fine. Just wondering if there some other gotchas or issues other than Eclipse itself. My recollection was that Eclipse itself was much of the problem. But I don't recall the details. You're in a much better position to evaluate it than I am, since you know your way around Eclipse. Please let us know what you think of the PyDev plugin! -- Russell ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Eclipse + PyDev
I've been using Eclipse for a while now (just started using 3.1) and for the first time find the latest version of PyDev useful. I agree that the eclipse interface is sprawling but stick with it and read the documentation. It's really developer friendly once you get the hang of it. All I'd like now is for PyDev to support automated PyUnit test build and run for TDD :-) John Ochiltree ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Eclipse + PyDev
I've tried to use PyDev, but apart from the speed issue, Eclipse's interface is so sprawling and unintuitive that I haven't even figured out how to get PyDev started. Perhaps I'm missing something, and if you find Eclipse a pleasant environment to work in, go for it. I tried Eclipse yesterday and today and needed a while until I got PyDev installed: You must add the update URL as new remote repository in the update wizard (see Help menu), it doesn't work to just copy the files; Eclipse3 seems to need a special (and missing) dotfile to recognize the new plugin. I didn't try to edit Python code yet, but I agree that the interface is rather non-intuitive and non-MacOSy, and I don't like that it needs very long to start (as every Java application on MacOS X, i.e. on my old G4/400), but perhaps the mightyness of Blackout, ehm, Eclipse is worth the hassle. (And I could use it for Perl, PHP, HTML etc. also) I just tried also Eric3 (seems to support only Apple's Python 2.3) and DrPython (starts fast, seems lean, has ugly icons), I will need some time to test them. Best regards, Henning Hraban Ramm Südkurier Medienhaus / MediaPro Support/Admin/Development Dept. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Finding what a broken alias refers to.
Bob wrote: Is there a way I can contribute (using some of the time slots I now try to put aside for Boost and the unreasonable number of things I intend to do)? Currently, all of the wrapped Carbon functionality is done with an ancient, fragile and undocumented parser/generator called bgen, which parses out Universal Headers and spits out potentially working Python bindings. In order to make a useful contribution to those modules, you'd have to learn it, which really isn't worth doing. For your own purposes you could hack the C code it spits out directly, but unless it's done with bgen, it's not going to end up in Python CVS. I blame Joseph Heller myself. has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
