Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
+1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance. Relating to the new iconset - I agree with liking the style and see what it's trying to do. The design philosophy seems to be that there are common components which are then glued together. A yellow star seems to mean new, a magnifying glass means some sort of zoom thing etc. It's logical, the sort of thing that makes sense to a developer. The problem is, I don't believe it works. Icons should be immediately recognisable - if you have 10 (TEN!) icons which have a big magnifying glass and then only a small portion of the icon is different between each of them, they become harder to use. In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. Jonathan On 27 May 2013 23:11, Antonio Locandro antoniolocan...@hotmail.com wrote: Just a thought, but most of the problems are due to the fact each *add feature* has an icon for quick access. I would simply vote to have an unified add data button and then select the data you want, someone has proposed something about it but don´t know if it will make it for 2.0 nor do I remember the exact reference. IMHO QGIS has way to many icons cluttering the UI and using precious space specially on small screen laptops *Ing. Antonio Locandro* Tegucigalpa, Honduras +504 9503 5747 Need a GPS map for Central America, Asia or South America / Necesitas un mapa GPS para Centro America, Asia o Sur Americahttp://store.gpstravelmaps.com/?Click=63 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:07:16 +0200 From: rob...@szczepanek.pl To: li...@linfiniti.com CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read Hi Tim, On 25.05.2013 11:06, Tim Sutton wrote: @Robert - what about using a background colour scheme whereby e.g. all add layer icons get the same background colour and then you can remove e.g. the + and layer picture elements as they are visually grouped. Just a thought anyway This is an interesting idea, but I'm afraid hard to implement. We could get very strange mixture of colours (location of icons changes...). We could also make one background colour per toolbar. But there are several toolbars and we (man) - in opposite to women - don't recognize so many colours :) Maybe simply skip some icon elements in toolbars, with many similar operations (like add layer)? regards, Robert ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: +1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Best wishes, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi Anita, I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Fair point, but that's why I also compared other GIS's where I could (ArcGIS, MapModeller (FME Data Inspector uses the refresh circle but doesn't have a back/forward feature) and noted that they hold the same convention. Also, that was only one single example, there are others. These days people *expect* certain icons for certain things. To use a different icon throws away the years of pre-training the user will have already have using other applications that stuck to the convention. I don't think I've ever seen a single application that had 10 icons that were mostly the same before in the same that the magnifying glass ones in QGIS 2.0 are. Regards, Jonathan On 28 May 2013 11:11, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: +1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Best wishes, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Just to reinforce the point raised The pan icon currently in Master are four arrows which are more associated with moving a graphic or a nudge, I would think the most well known symbol for that would be the famous little hand to pan Cheers Ing. Antonio Locandro Tegucigalpa, Honduras From: jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:55:17 +0100 To: anitagra...@gmx.at CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read Hi Anita,I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Fair point, but that's why I also compared other GIS's where I could (ArcGIS, MapModeller (FME Data Inspector uses the refresh circle but doesn't have a back/forward feature) and noted that they hold the same convention. Also, that was only one single example, there are others.These days people *expect* certain icons for certain things. To use a different icon throws away the years of pre-training the user will have already have using other applications that stuck to the convention. I don't think I've ever seen a single application that had 10 icons that were mostly the same before in the same that the magnifying glass ones in QGIS 2.0 are. Regards, Jonathan On 28 May 2013 11:11, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: +1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Best wishes,Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
We used to have a hand icon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38241992@N06/4090679956/ Wonder if it still exists somewhere. But I admit, it wasn't too good :) Best wishes, Anita On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Antonio Locandro antoniolocan...@hotmail.com wrote: Just to reinforce the point raised The pan icon currently in Master are four arrows which are more associated with moving a graphic or a nudge, I would think the most well known symbol for that would be the famous little hand to pan Cheers *Ing. Antonio Locandro* Tegucigalpa, Honduras -- From: jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:55:17 +0100 To: anitagra...@gmx.at CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read Hi Anita, I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Fair point, but that's why I also compared other GIS's where I could (ArcGIS, MapModeller (FME Data Inspector uses the refresh circle but doesn't have a back/forward feature) and noted that they hold the same convention. Also, that was only one single example, there are others. These days people *expect* certain icons for certain things. To use a different icon throws away the years of pre-training the user will have already have using other applications that stuck to the convention. I don't think I've ever seen a single application that had 10 icons that were mostly the same before in the same that the magnifying glass ones in QGIS 2.0 are. Regards, Jonathan On 28 May 2013 11:11, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: +1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Best wishes, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi! Well I think in different places in the world different icons would be usual .. It's just about what you are used to have .. Beside the really hard fact that the icons are not too colourful I think this discussion would last forever .. With a lot of personal different meanings .. To speak for my own person .. I am also not satisfied with ALL the icons I see, but Robert is doing an amazing job and spend a lot of time in creating this icons .. And I am glad that this iconset is under active development .. So, as long as I cannot make it better (and provide it) I am just happy with what is there .. Thanks to the Creator and active Maintainer of the GIS Iconset .. May it be used in every OpenSource GIS Software so that we can have a common face to the outside kind regards Werner On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: We used to have a hand icon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38241992@N06/4090679956/ Wonder if it still exists somewhere. But I admit, it wasn't too good :) Best wishes, Anita On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Antonio Locandro antoniolocan...@hotmail.com wrote: Just to reinforce the point raised The pan icon currently in Master are four arrows which are more associated with moving a graphic or a nudge, I would think the most well known symbol for that would be the famous little hand to pan Cheers *Ing. Antonio Locandro* Tegucigalpa, Honduras -- From: jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:55:17 +0100 To: anitagra...@gmx.at CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read Hi Anita, I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Fair point, but that's why I also compared other GIS's where I could (ArcGIS, MapModeller (FME Data Inspector uses the refresh circle but doesn't have a back/forward feature) and noted that they hold the same convention. Also, that was only one single example, there are others. These days people *expect* certain icons for certain things. To use a different icon throws away the years of pre-training the user will have already have using other applications that stuck to the convention. I don't think I've ever seen a single application that had 10 icons that were mostly the same before in the same that the magnifying glass ones in QGIS 2.0 are. Regards, Jonathan On 28 May 2013 11:11, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Moules jonathanmou...@warwickshire.gov.uk wrote: +1 for unified data adding button. From a use-perspective there's no good reason that raster adding should be separate from vectors for instance In depth example: take the Back, Next, and Refresh view icons. The new QGIS icons all have a magnifying glass behind them (I can barely make out the refresh circle). Why? In comparison, I have four web-browsers in front of me, all have these buttons and all of them are simple arrows/refresh circles. None of them have a picture of a web-page behind them. ArcGIS and MapModeller both use simple arrows/circles too. MapInfo doesn't seem to have this functionality. At this point these icons are standard conventions, but the QGIS 2.0 iconography makes that part only 1/6th of the actual icon, instead giving prominence to a magnifying glass that's entirely unnecessary. While I agree to some degree (+1 for unified data adding button), I think we have to be fair and recognize that a GIS is a little more complex than a web browser and will always have more buttons. Many functions which have only one meaning in a simpler application can have different meanings in a GIS depending on context. To simply assume the context from the placement in a certain toolbar could raise other issues. Best wishes, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi Tim, On 25.05.2013 11:06, Tim Sutton wrote: @Robert - what about using a background colour scheme whereby e.g. all add layer icons get the same background colour and then you can remove e.g. the + and layer picture elements as they are visually grouped. Just a thought anyway This is an interesting idea, but I'm afraid hard to implement. We could get very strange mixture of colours (location of icons changes...). We could also make one background colour per toolbar. But there are several toolbars and we (man) - in opposite to women - don't recognize so many colours :) Maybe simply skip some icon elements in toolbars, with many similar operations (like add layer)? regards, Robert ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Just a thought, but most of the problems are due to the fact each *add feature* has an icon for quick access. I would simply vote to have an unified add data button and then select the data you want, someone has proposed something about it but don´t know if it will make it for 2.0 nor do I remember the exact reference. IMHO QGIS has way to many icons cluttering the UI and using precious space specially on small screen laptops Ing. Antonio Locandro Tegucigalpa, Honduras +504 9503 5747 Need a GPS map for Central America, Asia or South America / Necesitas un mapa GPS para Centro America, Asia o Sur America Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:07:16 +0200 From: rob...@szczepanek.pl To: li...@linfiniti.com CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read Hi Tim, On 25.05.2013 11:06, Tim Sutton wrote: @Robert - what about using a background colour scheme whereby e.g. all add layer icons get the same background colour and then you can remove e.g. the + and layer picture elements as they are visually grouped. Just a thought anyway This is an interesting idea, but I'm afraid hard to implement. We could get very strange mixture of colours (location of icons changes...). We could also make one background colour per toolbar. But there are several toolbars and we (man) - in opposite to women - don't recognize so many colours :) Maybe simply skip some icon elements in toolbars, with many similar operations (like add layer)? regards, Robert ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Hi I also think there is no point in maintaining two iconsets - lets rather use the good feedback in this thread to make Roberts icon set awesome. @Robert - what about using a background colour scheme whereby e.g. all add layer icons get the same background colour and then you can remove e.g. the + and layer picture elements as they are visually grouped. Just a thought anyway Regards Tim On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Robert Szczepanek rob...@szczepanek.pl wrote: Layer toolbar could look like this [1], except OWS icons. Oracle Spatial logo was not found, so I took 'O' from Oracle, but it looks ugly in this context. Combination of this 'O' with database symbol doesn't look nice either. Some proposals ...? We could leave old database symbol with different colours, but MSSQL, SpatiaLite and Oracle icons are mainly red so this will be hard. Additionally we must remember about color-blind persons. regards, Robert [1] http://robert.szczepanek.pl/tmp/layer-toolbar.png On 24.05.2013 13:51, Robert Szczepanek wrote: Hi Jonathan, You are right. Problem with new icons is that we have started with some idea (add raster, vector, PostgreSQL layer) and end up with several icons of the same type. First three icons are different, however have too many elements. Next are worse, and Oracle and others wait for more general problem solution. What are the options from my point of view (just layer toolbar)? 1. We could remove green plus leaving the others (yellow star and red minus). This will give some more space to increase symbol size. 2. Remove 'layer' symbol, but in this case 'create vector layer' will be identical to 'create vector' in edit toolbar. But considering toolbar context is could be OK. Definitely we should remove 'layer' from WMS, WFS and similar. 3. Due to variety of database formats replace them with clones of database logo. All changes are possible, but after general agreement. We can do it now or after QGIS 2.0 release. regards, Robert On 24.05.2013 10:59, Jonathan Moules wrote: +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Please do not email me off-list with technical support questions. Using the lists will gain more exposure for your issues and the knowledge surrounding your issue will be shared with all. Visit
Re: [Qgis-developer] New Icons - difficult to read
Layer toolbar could look like this [1], except OWS icons. Oracle Spatial logo was not found, so I took 'O' from Oracle, but it looks ugly in this context. Combination of this 'O' with database symbol doesn't look nice either. Some proposals ...? We could leave old database symbol with different colours, but MSSQL, SpatiaLite and Oracle icons are mainly red so this will be hard. Additionally we must remember about color-blind persons. regards, Robert [1] http://robert.szczepanek.pl/tmp/layer-toolbar.png On 24.05.2013 13:51, Robert Szczepanek wrote: Hi Jonathan, You are right. Problem with new icons is that we have started with some idea (add raster, vector, PostgreSQL layer) and end up with several icons of the same type. First three icons are different, however have too many elements. Next are worse, and Oracle and others wait for more general problem solution. What are the options from my point of view (just layer toolbar)? 1. We could remove green plus leaving the others (yellow star and red minus). This will give some more space to increase symbol size. 2. Remove 'layer' symbol, but in this case 'create vector layer' will be identical to 'create vector' in edit toolbar. But considering toolbar context is could be OK. Definitely we should remove 'layer' from WMS, WFS and similar. 3. Due to variety of database formats replace them with clones of database logo. All changes are possible, but after general agreement. We can do it now or after QGIS 2.0 release. regards, Robert On 24.05.2013 10:59, Jonathan Moules wrote: +1 i.e. The difference between the Add PostGIS layers and Add SpatiaLite layers is that one has a regular cylinder and the other has a fat-waisted hour-glass cylinder - about 20-30 pixels are different in an icon that's got 1024 pixels! I have to look at them in detail to see the differences. And there's still MSSQL and Oracle icons to be created in the new schema which using this system will only confuse things more. Don't get me wrong, I like the style of the new icons, but they're really hard to visually differentiate. I did a quick google and came across this: http://turbomilk.com/blog/cookbook/icon_design/10_mistakes_in_icon_design/ The QGIS icons do all of the top three things. Jonathan On 24 May 2013 09:27, skampus stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it mailto:stefano.cam...@regione.piemonte.it wrote: that could be a useful option. sincerely, from my point of view, many icons are unreadable/undistinguishable so i click them correctly only because now i remberer relative position -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-Qgis-user-New-Icons-difficult-to-read-tp5055427p5055467.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org mailto:Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer This transmission is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain sensitive or protectively marked material up to RESTRICTED and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately. All email traffic sent to or from us, including without limitation all GCSX traffic, may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
