Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-11 Thread Tom Chadwin 
ginetto wrote
> I would suggest to use the same vertical "..." menu used in Chrome,
> Firefox, OpenLayers etc etc as in the attached image.

Many investigations have shown *decreased* usability when menu items are
"hidden" in a hamburger menu. First example from a simple Google search:

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/hamburger-menus/

There are many other such studies.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-11 Thread Luigi Pirelli 
I strongly agree with a menu for qgis-system-wide stuffs, position can be
disscused with UX group (I hope without locking with Apple UX policies that
are too much marketing guided)

I would suggest to use the same vertical "..." menu used in Chrome,
Firefox, OpenLayers etc etc as in the attached image. Calling QGIS a menu
inside QGis could be redundant.

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On 10 January 2017 at 04:11, Nathan Woodrow  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>
> Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
> bar seems strange to me now.
>
> Example
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Nathan
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Tom Chadwin 
There is an established generic menu order in Windows:

File
Edit 
View
Help

We shouldn't unthinkingly deviate from this unless we are confident the
change represents a UX improvement. I would recommend not pushing Edit
further to the right. I believe similar conventions exist on other OSes. 

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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Lene Fischer 
Hi Nathan,
I think this is a good idea.
But then I would suggest that the Project Properties to the Project menu.
Secondly move Plugins right after the QGIS – So the rank would be: QGIS - 
Project – Layer – Processing - Edit – View – Vector – Raster …
Users also often ask for a Print – menu. ..


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Emne: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

Hey all,

I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the 
Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings Menu, 
Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About

Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with 
application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that anything 
in this menu is related to the application itself and not the project.  Having 
a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu bar seems strange to me 
now.

Example



Thoughts?

- Nathan
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Ramon Andiñach 

> On 10 Jan 2017, at 16:42, DelazJ  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Just to point that on MacOS, there's already a QGIS menu at first position. 
> See 
> http://docs.qgis.org/2.14/en/docs/user_manual/introduction/qgis_gui.html#qgis
> 
> Harrissou

I think that's to do with the UI guidelines for the MacOS interface which are 
dictated by Apple more than anything. 

On a side note, if we're talking about mucking around with the menu order, is 
there any chance of Project, Layer, Edit, ...  ?

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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread DelazJ 
Hi all,
Just to point that on MacOS, there's already a QGIS menu at first position.
See
http://docs.qgis.org/2.14/en/docs/user_manual/introduction/qgis_gui.html#qgis

Harrissou

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2017-01-10 9:20 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Ströbl :

> What I was trying to say is that many applications have a "File" menu at
> the first position. As QGIS is not really following that scheme (because
> the menu is named "Project" and I totally agree with not having it renamed
> to "File") I support your idea of the QGIS menu.
>
> Bernhard
>
> Am 10.01.2017 um 09:15 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
>
>> File was renamed to Project for a few reasons, mainly for better context
>> awareness and external non file based projects.  No plans to change that
>> as I think that works well.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 6:11 pm Bernhard Ströbl > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nathan,
>>
>> I think the original idea was to have something like a "File" menu,
>> that
>> many applications have, too. Although it is not named "File". Anyway
>> IMHO it is a good idea, because many users get general and project's
>> settings mixed up and I would not favor renaming "Project" to "File"
>> either.
>> Going into detail: shouldn't "Project Properties..." go into the
>> "Project" menu then (and be renamed to "Properties")?
>> "Snapping Options..." are currently placed in settings, but are a
>> project's setting. Should go in the "Project" menu then, too.
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
>> Am 10.01.2017 um 04:11 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu
>> before the
>> > Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the
>> Settings
>> > Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>> >
>> > Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
>> > application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear
>> that
>> > anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not
>> the
>> > project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of
>> the menu
>> > bar seems strange to me now.
>> >
>> > Example
>> >
>> > Inline image 1
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > - Nathan
>> >
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Bernhard Ströbl 
What I was trying to say is that many applications have a "File" menu at 
the first position. As QGIS is not really following that scheme (because 
the menu is named "Project" and I totally agree with not having it 
renamed to "File") I support your idea of the QGIS menu.


Bernhard

Am 10.01.2017 um 09:15 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:

File was renamed to Project for a few reasons, mainly for better context
awareness and external non file based projects.  No plans to change that
as I think that works well.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 6:11 pm Bernhard Ströbl > wrote:

Hi Nathan,

I think the original idea was to have something like a "File" menu, that
many applications have, too. Although it is not named "File". Anyway
IMHO it is a good idea, because many users get general and project's
settings mixed up and I would not favor renaming "Project" to "File"
either.
Going into detail: shouldn't "Project Properties..." go into the
"Project" menu then (and be renamed to "Properties")?
"Snapping Options..." are currently placed in settings, but are a
project's setting. Should go in the "Project" menu then, too.

Bernhard

Am 10.01.2017 um 04:11 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
> Hey all,
>
> I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu
before the
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the
Settings
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>
> Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of
the menu
> bar seems strange to me now.
>
> Example
>
> Inline image 1
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Nathan
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Nathan Woodrow 
File was renamed to Project for a few reasons, mainly for better context
awareness and external non file based projects.  No plans to change that as
I think that works well.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 6:11 pm Bernhard Ströbl 
wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
>
> I think the original idea was to have something like a "File" menu, that
> many applications have, too. Although it is not named "File". Anyway
> IMHO it is a good idea, because many users get general and project's
> settings mixed up and I would not favor renaming "Project" to "File"
> either.
> Going into detail: shouldn't "Project Properties..." go into the
> "Project" menu then (and be renamed to "Properties")?
> "Snapping Options..." are currently placed in settings, but are a
> project's setting. Should go in the "Project" menu then, too.
>
> Bernhard
>
> Am 10.01.2017 um 04:11 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
> > Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
> > Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
> >
> > Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> > application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> > anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> > project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
> > bar seems strange to me now.
> >
> > Example
> >
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > - Nathan
> >
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Nathan Woodrow 
Ignore the project properties in there was just a mistake in UI file.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 6:09 pm Nyall Dawson  wrote:

> On 10 January 2017 at 13:11, Nathan Woodrow  wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
> >
> > Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
> bar seems strange to me now.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> My 2c:
>
> It seems odd having project properties outside the project menu. I
> also find the positioning of this a bit unusual. I'd suggest that the
> QGIS menu should appear last, so that we keep to the standard
> convention of having the "file" type (project) menu first. I'd also
> suggest that Exit QGIS should remain in the project menu so that it
> keeps the convention of exit being the last item in the first menu.
>
> On a related note - I'd love to see us add a way for plugins to add
> pages to the general QGIS options so that we can avoid menus being
> cluttered with additional "settings" items. Eg processing options and
> the python console options should just be extra pages in the main
> options dialog.
>
> Nyall
>
>
>
> >
> > - Nathan
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Bernhard Ströbl 

Hi Nathan,

I think the original idea was to have something like a "File" menu, that 
many applications have, too. Although it is not named "File". Anyway 
IMHO it is a good idea, because many users get general and project's 
settings mixed up and I would not favor renaming "Project" to "File" 
either.
Going into detail: shouldn't "Project Properties..." go into the 
"Project" menu then (and be renamed to "Properties")?
"Snapping Options..." are currently placed in settings, but are a 
project's setting. Should go in the "Project" menu then, too.


Bernhard

Am 10.01.2017 um 04:11 schrieb Nathan Woodrow:

Hey all,

I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About

Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
bar seems strange to me now.

Example

Inline image 1

Thoughts?

- Nathan


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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Nyall Dawson 
On 10 January 2017 at 13:11, Nathan Woodrow  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the 
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings 
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>
> Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with 
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that 
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the 
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu bar 
> seems strange to me now.

> Thoughts?

My 2c:

It seems odd having project properties outside the project menu. I
also find the positioning of this a bit unusual. I'd suggest that the
QGIS menu should appear last, so that we keep to the standard
convention of having the "file" type (project) menu first. I'd also
suggest that Exit QGIS should remain in the project menu so that it
keeps the convention of exit being the last item in the first menu.

On a related note - I'd love to see us add a way for plugins to add
pages to the general QGIS options so that we can avoid menus being
cluttered with additional "settings" items. Eg processing options and
the python console options should just be extra pages in the main
options dialog.

Nyall



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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-10 Thread Anita Graser 
Hi Nathan,

I understand what you are trying to achieve and it makes sense to me.

On the other hand, almost all applications start with with File / Project
as the first menu entry. So QGIS would break an established convention.

Best wishes,
Anita




On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:11 AM, Nathan Woodrow  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>
> Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
> bar seems strange to me now.
>
> Example
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Nathan
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-09 Thread Alessandro Pasotti 
I think it's a good idea, having both the project settings and application
settings in the same menu it's confusing for most users.



On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:11 AM, Nathan Woodrow  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
> Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
> Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About
>
> Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
> application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
> anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
> project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
> bar seems strange to me now.
>
> Example
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Nathan
>
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[Qgis-developer] QGIS menu item

2017-01-09 Thread Nathan Woodrow 
Hey all,

I would like to propose a new QGIS menu item that in the menu before the
Project item.  This menu item will contain all the stuff in the Settings
Menu, Exit QGIS, and some of the stuff from the Help menu like About

Motivation:  A lot of application have a "Application" menu with
application-wide settings, etc . I think this would make it clear that
anything in this menu is related to the application itself and not the
project.  Having a Settings menu just floating in the middle of the menu
bar seems strange to me now.

Example

[image: Inline image 1]

Thoughts?

- Nathan
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