Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Neumann, Andreas]

Hi Jürgen, 

I agree that an RSS feed would be more appropriate than an announcement
on either the developer or user mailing lists. But also then, the RSS
feed should contain more than just the plugin name and link to be
useful. 

You are also right, that the QGIS plugin manager already contains a list
of new plugins - and dev/users can search on the plugin website. 

Moving the plugin approval notification mail to qgis-user would probably
annoy even more users than on the qgis-developer mailing list and would
probably result in a lot of unsubscriptions. 

So +1 from me to get rid of these messages. There are enough ways to
stay informed about new plugins (the plugin manager and the plugin
webpage). If that's not enough, the RSS feed idea or the QGIS blog would
be a better place to publish information on new plugins and their major
updates. 

Andreas 

On 2016-03-31 14:35, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:

> Hi Andreas,
> 
> On Thu, 31. Mar 2016 at 12:48:34 +0200, Neumann, Andreas wrote: 
> 
>> Either the mails contain more information or they should be moved to a
>> separate mailing list.
> 
> For notification about new plugins that could probably be useful.  But then
> it's more useful for users than developers.  So it should at least be moved to
> qgis-user.  But for that a RSS feed on plugins.q.o might be better.  Doesn't
> the plugin manager also have a opt-in notification mechanism for new plugins?
> 
> For the purpose to avoid duplication of plugins it seems quite useless to me.
> People intending to write a plugin should be capable to search in the plugin
> manager or on plugins.q.o if there is already something similar they can use
> instead or base their work on - and if they aren't, they probably didn't 
> manage
> to subscribe to qgis-developer either.   And even if they did, they probably
> already missed the approval of the plugin and are still doomed to reinvent it.
> 
> Is there anyone that actually finds this mails useful?  AFAICT so far there
> were only voices that didn't find it useful or just thought it might be useful
> to others - but no one said "keep it, I use it".
> 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Andreas,

On Thu, 31. Mar 2016 at 12:48:34 +0200, Neumann, Andreas wrote:
> Either the mails contain more information or they should be moved to a
> separate mailing list. 

For notification about new plugins that could probably be useful.  But then
it's more useful for users than developers.  So it should at least be moved to
qgis-user.  But for that a RSS feed on plugins.q.o might be better.  Doesn't
the plugin manager also have a opt-in notification mechanism for new plugins?

For the purpose to avoid duplication of plugins it seems quite useless to me.
People intending to write a plugin should be capable to search in the plugin
manager or on plugins.q.o if there is already something similar they can use
instead or base their work on - and if they aren't, they probably didn't manage
to subscribe to qgis-developer either.   And even if they did, they probably
already missed the approval of the plugin and are still doomed to reinvent it.

Is there anyone that actually finds this mails useful?  AFAICT so far there
were only voices that didn't find it useful or just thought it might be useful
to others - but no one said "keep it, I use it".


Jürgen

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi

On 03/31/2016 12:48 PM, Neumann, Andreas wrote:
> Either the mails contain more information or they should be moved to a
> separate mailing list.

s/or/and/ ;)

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Neumann, Andreas]

Hi, 

I agree with Tom. 

Either the mails contain more information or they should be moved to a
separate mailing list. 

It is a waste of time having to click on every plugin link just to find
out what the plugin does. 

Greetings, 

Andreas 

On 2016-03-31 10:43, Tom Chadwin wrote:

> The messages would also be a lot more useful if they included the plugin
> description and changelog. Without those, I've no idea what the majority of
> the plugins do, or whether the new versions are of interest to me. +1 for
> getting them off the dev list, though. 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Tom Chadwin]

Alessandro Pasotti-2 wrote
>> The messages would also be a lot more useful if they included the plugin
>> description and changelog.
> 
> That's just a click away, the notification contains the plugin detail page
> url.

But I (and I imagine most people) am not going to click through, because of
the volume of approved plugins.



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Anita Graser]

Hi Jürgen

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Jürgen E.  wrote:

> On Thu, 31. Mar 2016 at 09:53:26 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
> > > IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
> > > but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
> > > just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
> > > a bit further is useful.
>
> > +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed
>
> Why on qgis-developer?


​Because the idea was​ to keep the developers informed about which plugins
exist already.

​Best wishes,
Anita
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2016-03-31 10:43 GMT+02:00 Tom Chadwin :

> The messages would also be a lot more useful if they included the plugin
> description and changelog.


That's just a click away, the notification contains the plugin detail page
url.



> Without those, I've no idea what the majority of
> the plugins do, or whether the new versions are of interest to me. +1 for
> getting them off the dev list, though.
>


IIRC this notification was also added to prevent some plugin developer's
bad habit to send an mail to this list on every new plugin or version they
published.


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Tom Chadwin]

The messages would also be a lot more useful if they included the plugin
description and changelog. Without those, I've no idea what the majority of
the plugins do, or whether the new versions are of interest to me. +1 for
getting them off the dev list, though. 



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi Jürgen

On 03/31/2016 10:43 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer wrote:
> I don't care much about these messages, my procmail moves them out of sight.
> Anyone have a clever idea how to do the same with this and future threads on
> the same topic? ;)

Maybe we could install procmail just behind mailman and have a community
managed filter configuration ;)

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Anita,

On Thu, 31. Mar 2016 at 09:53:26 +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
> > IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
> > but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
> > just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
> > a bit further is useful.
 
> +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed

Why on qgis-developer?  Shouldn't this be a least on qgis-user to also let
their potential users know that there is a new plugin?

I don't care much about these messages, my procmail moves them out of sight.
Anyone have a clever idea how to do the same with this and future threads on
the same topic? ;)


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Marco Bernasocchi]

On 31.03.2016 10:22, Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> On 31-03-16 09:53, Anita Graser wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2016 9:15 AM, "Paolo Cavallini" > > wrote:
>>>
>>> Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
 Hi List,

 Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
 list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
 dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
 Is this ok for you?
>>>
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>> IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
>>> but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
>>> just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
>>> a bit further is useful.
>>
>> +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed
> 
> agree with Paolo and Anita,
> 
> we recently changed this, so it was more clear who was approving and
> which plugins are being approved. The idea is also to make the dev
> community a little more aware of which plugins popup etc
> 
> @Marco: the problem is that plugins are not in 1 repo (as they are in
> separate owner repo's), so not other way to have a little sight on this
> then in this way.

do we get approval notifications from user own repos?? I didn't mean
code repo (github, SF, ...) , I mean http://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/


ciao
Marco
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 31-03-16 09:53, Anita Graser wrote:
> 
> On Mar 31, 2016 9:15 AM, "Paolo Cavallini"  > wrote:
>>
>> Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
>> > Hi List,
>> >
>> > Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
>> > list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
>> > dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
>> > Is this ok for you?
>>
>> Hi Matthias,
>> IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
>> but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
>> just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
>> a bit further is useful.
> 
> +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed

agree with Paolo and Anita,

we recently changed this, so it was more clear who was approving and
which plugins are being approved. The idea is also to make the dev
community a little more aware of which plugins popup etc

@Marco: the problem is that plugins are not in 1 repo (as they are in
separate owner repo's), so not other way to have a little sight on this
then in this way.

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Marco Bernasocchi]

Hi

On 31.03.2016 09:53, Anita Graser wrote:
> 
> On Mar 31, 2016 9:15 AM, "Paolo Cavallini"  > wrote:
>>
>> Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
>> > Hi List,
>> >
>> > Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
>> > list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
>> > dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
>> > Is this ok for you?
>>
>> Hi Matthias,
>> IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
>> but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
>> just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
>> a bit further is useful.
one could argue that a "developer" that does not take the time to check
what is already in the repo will not take the time to go through tons of
emails to see what has been approved.

ciao
> 
> +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed
> 
> Best wishes
> Anita
> 
> 
>> You can easily filter out these messages if they are disturbing to you.
>> All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi Paolo

On 03/31/2016 09:15 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
>> list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
>> dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
>> Is this ok for you?
> Hi Matthias,
> IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
> but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
> just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
> a bit further is useful.
IMHO this is neither efficient nor adequate for this particular purpose.
In comparison with the nice search engine on plugins.qgis.org which
supports tags and descriptions and can be used at an appropriate time,
this channel here does seem to be a rather badly targetted tool with the
side effect of deteriorating the SNR.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Denis Rouzaud]

I'll add more noise to the topic...

If we follow this logic we should keep only one list and not many (usr,
dev, ux).
I don't see the reason of not creating one dedicated to plugin approval,
testing, whatever.
If one wants to keep track of it, he can easily subscribe.


My 2 cts,

Denis


On 03/31/2016 09:53 AM, Anita Graser wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2016 9:15 AM, "Paolo Cavallini"  > wrote:
> >
> > Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
> > > Hi List,
> > >
> > > Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
> > > list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
> > > dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
> > > Is this ok for you?
> >
> > Hi Matthias,
> > IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
> > but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
> > just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
> > a bit further is useful.
>
> +1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed
>
> Best wishes
> Anita
>
>
> > You can easily filter out these messages if they are disturbing to you.
> > All the best.
> >
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Anita Graser]

On Mar 31, 2016 9:15 AM, "Paolo Cavallini"  wrote:
>
> Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
> > Hi List,
> >
> > Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
> > list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
> > dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
> > Is this ok for you?
>
> Hi Matthias,
> IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
> but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
> just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
> a bit further is useful.

+1 otherwise we lose sight of what's being developed

Best wishes
Anita


> You can easily filter out these messages if they are disturbing to you.
> All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Marco Bernasocchi]

I agree so much with Matthias that now I try to let you all know in a
non encrypted way...
Sorry for the extra noise on a noisy subject :)

ciao
Marco


On 31.03.2016 09:16, Marco Bernasocchi wrote:
> I absolutely agree
>
> Ciao
> Marco
>

On 31.03.2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
> list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
> dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
> Is this ok for you?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 31/03/2016 09:10, Matthias Kuhn ha scritto:
> Hi List,
> 
> Can we remove plugin approval notifications from the qgis-developer
> list? There is already enough traffic on this list. We could have a
> dedicated plugin-announce list if there is a demand for this.
> Is this ok for you?

Hi Matthias,
IMHO it is useful to know what's going on. We all hate useless traffic,
but it happens fairly often that people redo already exixting plugins
just because they do not know they are available, so spreading the word
a bit further is useful.
You can easily filter out these messages if they are disturbing to you.
All the best.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Silence "Plugin approval notification"

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