Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor and CAD digitizing mode

2016-01-14 Thread Marco Hugentobler 

Hi

>With some comunities, we will be contracting a developper in a very 
short time to start this development again. It will be merged after 2.14.
>It will bring some changes in the behavior (click-click), so at the 
end it might be a better idea to wait for 3.0.


It was not only reverted because of bugs, it was mainly because some 
users strongly disliked the behaviour changes. If you make a new go, it 
will be good to have a QEP about it.


Regards,
Marco

On 13.01.2016 07:58, Denis Rouzaud wrote:

Hi Andreas,

The goal was to integrate CAD tools at the same time as circular string.
It was merged unfinished shortly before feature freeze (2.12) and thus 
reverted.


With some comunities, we will be contracting a developper in a very 
short time to start this development again. It will be merged after 2.14.
It will bring some changes in the behavior (click-click), so at the 
end it might be a better idea to wait for 3.0.


Best wishes,
Denis

On 01/12/2016 12:53 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote:

Hi,

wasn't there once a vertex editor available along with a CAD 
digitizing mode - that was pulled out of version 2.12 because it 
wasn't fully mature?


Is this still not put back into master? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for your information,
Andreas
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor and CAD digitizing mode

2016-01-14 Thread Denis Rouzaud 

Hi Marco,

Looking at the discussion [0], I don't see strong opinions against this, 
but indeed the node was not usable, many of its features where missing.
Here is the list of remaining things to do to bring it at a usable state 
at that time [1].


While discussing refactoring of the node tool for circular strings, 
which went without any QEP, I was asking to use the new snapping API and 
to integrate it in the advanced digitizing tools. I thought we agree at 
that time.


I find a real pity that such a big change was not integrated into 
existing effort. Now, it will make things even more complicated.


I admit that, one year earlier, the first discussion did not yield to a 
solid agreement [2]. Although, this is the kind of behavior that is not 
really easy to speak about until you really tested it. I have a solid 
belief that click-click is the right approach since:

- people using it find it better
- other QGIS tools behave the same
- it allows integration of CAD tools, cancelation of current editing 
action with right-click, and avoids digitizing errors.


We had the same type of discussion when we remove the fact that right 
click was adding a last node to the digitized line or polygon.
Some were strongly against any change, but from now it looks much more 
natural.


So, yes, effort will start again to make the node tool more integrated 
into existing framework and workflows.
Although, it will be brought to QGIS 3, so it might be easier for such a 
change.


Best regards,

Denis

[0] 
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/commit/a2f0763bab551da366b315fe562a571ec4dd1edd

[1] http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276
[2] 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2014-September/034725.html


On 01/14/2016 08:52 AM, Marco Hugentobler wrote:

Hi

>With some comunities, we will be contracting a developper in a very 
short time to start this development again. It will be merged after 2.14.
>It will bring some changes in the behavior (click-click), so at the 
end it might be a better idea to wait for 3.0.


It was not only reverted because of bugs, it was mainly because some 
users strongly disliked the behaviour changes. If you make a new go, 
it will be good to have a QEP about it.


Regards,
Marco

On 13.01.2016 07:58, Denis Rouzaud wrote:

Hi Andreas,

The goal was to integrate CAD tools at the same time as circular string.
It was merged unfinished shortly before feature freeze (2.12) and 
thus reverted.


With some comunities, we will be contracting a developper in a very 
short time to start this development again. It will be merged after 2.14.
It will bring some changes in the behavior (click-click), so at the 
end it might be a better idea to wait for 3.0.


Best wishes,
Denis

On 01/12/2016 12:53 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote:

Hi,

wasn't there once a vertex editor available along with a CAD 
digitizing mode - that was pulled out of version 2.12 because it 
wasn't fully mature?


Is this still not put back into master? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for your information,
Andreas
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor and CAD digitizing mode

2016-01-12 Thread Denis Rouzaud 

Hi Andreas,

The goal was to integrate CAD tools at the same time as circular string.
It was merged unfinished shortly before feature freeze (2.12) and thus 
reverted.


With some comunities, we will be contracting a developper in a very 
short time to start this development again. It will be merged after 2.14.
It will bring some changes in the behavior (click-click), so at the end 
it might be a better idea to wait for 3.0.


Best wishes,
Denis

On 01/12/2016 12:53 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote:

Hi,

wasn't there once a vertex editor available along with a CAD 
digitizing mode - that was pulled out of version 2.12 because it 
wasn't fully mature?


Is this still not put back into master? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for your information,
Andreas
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-16 Thread Marco Hugentobler 

Am 15.09.2015 um 04:30 schrieb Marco Hugentobler:

Hi all

Considering the discussion, I think it is best if I revert the 
click-click changes. Like that, there will be vertex editor with old 
click-drag behaviour. The remaining issues can then wait until after 26th.


Done now in master branch.

Regards,
Marco



Greetings from foss4g,
Marco

Am 14.09.2015 um 07:26 schrieb Mathieu Pellerin:


At the risk of stating the obvious, selecting multiple nodes (to move 
or delete those) has to come back. I do lots of digitizing and 
shipping 2.12 in its current state would be a very significant 
regression.


M

On 14 Sep 2015 12:13 pm, "Denis Rouzaud" <denis.rouz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:denis.rouz...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On 09/13/2015 11:07 PM, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> The new changes assume:
>  - User always wants to move a vertex
>  - Only one single vertex is selected
>
> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for
deleting, adding and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it
is a bit confusing for users how the other tasks can be done,
when it gets automatically locked on a single node.

No, old behavior should be brought back:
- when you click on a node, it moves but you can delete directly
(so no
changes in terms of click)
- selecting several nodes should put them in pre-selection mode
(hence
you can delete it).

Best wishes,
Denis


>
> Cheers,
> Saber
>
> From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>
[mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of
Rouzaud Denis
> Sent: 13 September 2015 16:17
> To: rich...@duif.net <mailto:rich...@duif.net>
> Cc: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
    <mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:00, Richard Duivenvoorde
<rdmaili...@duif.net> wrote:
>
> On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:
>
> Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever
a node
> is selected?
>
> Mmm, nice addition though!
> But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)
>
> Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool
to edit
> one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to
the mouse
> and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
> selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?
>
> Yes it is. Although, there will be another pre-selection state
which will correspond to 2.8 behavior.
> Although, on first click it will free the node.
> The idea is that you don’t need to keep mouse button pressed
while moving the node to allow using advanced digitising.
>
> Marco has still some work to do in the node tool, you can
follow discussion here:
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276
>
> Regarding the table view, I don’t know if Marco will allow
disabling it. At least, it would be nice to just hide it.
>
> Denis
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-14 Thread Saber Razmjooei 
There are quite a large number of tickets (mainly blocker and some
regressions) opened recently. Not sure how many of them are related to the
latest node tool changes, but as Nyall said, the current status of
digitising in master is far from ideal.

http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13355
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13052
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13258
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13297

Cheers,
Saber

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Sent: 14 September 2015 07:35
To: Andreas Neumann; qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor



On 09/14/2015 08:16 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Marco agreed to participate in our paid bug fixing program that should 
> start after feature freeze (which - according to our website - is on 
> September 26. If PSC votes for him - he can then work several days 
> dedicated to bug fixing.

I am not sure that QGIS bug fixing program is the right way to go.

It wouldn't be fair that an unfinished paid work is pushed to master and
later on the group sponsors the end of the development.

I suggest to wait for Marco's answer regarding the schedule for fixing the
node tool.

I think that waiting again 2 weeks is a bit long as this tool is crucial in
QGIS. If he can't make it, then the solution of paid bug fixing by another
dev can be discussed, but that's a bit odd to me.


> 
> Marco is traveling the next two weeks (FOSS4G South Korea) - but I 
> assume - after he is back, he can continue working on the 
> digitizing/geometry issues.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> On 14.09.2015 07:19, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
>>
>> On 09/13/2015 11:32 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>>> On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei 
>>> <saber.razmjo...@lutraconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The new changes assume:
>>>>   - User always wants to move a vertex
>>>>   - Only one single vertex is selected
>>>>
>>>> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, 
>>>> adding and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit 
>>>> confusing for users how the other tasks can be done, when it gets 
>>>> automatically locked on a single node.
>>> There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map 
>>> tools,
>>> eg:
>>>
>>> - deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
>>> - deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be 
>>> pre-selected (this pre-selection should by synchro with the table 
>>> view selection model).
>>> - right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it
>>> pre-selected)
>>> - for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being 
>>> moved (no rubberband)
>>> - editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband 
>>> on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished 
>>> it should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband) ( all from 
>>> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
>>> - split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
>>> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
>>> - inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
>>> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885
>>>
>>> I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it 
>>> was unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and 
>>> unexpected behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 
>>> 2.8 is! I understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get 
>>> some confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
>>> Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think 
>>> they should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.
>> All these issues shall be fixed prior to the release.
>> Marco, do you have any schedule regarding this?
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-14 Thread Marco Hugentobler 

Hi all

Considering the discussion, I think it is best if I revert the 
click-click changes. Like that, there will be vertex editor with old 
click-drag behaviour. The remaining issues can then wait until after 26th.


Greetings from foss4g,
Marco

Am 14.09.2015 um 07:26 schrieb Mathieu Pellerin:


At the risk of stating the obvious, selecting multiple nodes (to move 
or delete those) has to come back. I do lots of digitizing and 
shipping 2.12 in its current state would be a very significant regression.


M

On 14 Sep 2015 12:13 pm, "Denis Rouzaud" <denis.rouz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:denis.rouz...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On 09/13/2015 11:07 PM, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> The new changes assume:
>  - User always wants to move a vertex
>  - Only one single vertex is selected
>
> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting,
adding and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit
confusing for users how the other tasks can be done, when it gets
automatically locked on a single node.

No, old behavior should be brought back:
- when you click on a node, it moves but you can delete directly
(so no
changes in terms of click)
- selecting several nodes should put them in pre-selection mode (hence
you can delete it).

Best wishes,
Denis


>
> Cheers,
> Saber
>
> From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>
[mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
<mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of
Rouzaud Denis
> Sent: 13 September 2015 16:17
> To: rich...@duif.net <mailto:rich...@duif.net>
> Cc: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
    <mailto:qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:00, Richard Duivenvoorde
<rdmaili...@duif.net <mailto:rdmaili...@duif.net>> wrote:
>
> On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:
>
> Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever
a node
> is selected?
>
> Mmm, nice addition though!
> But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)
>
> Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool
to edit
> one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to
the mouse
> and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
> selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?
>
> Yes it is. Although, there will be another pre-selection state
which will correspond to 2.8 behavior.
> Although, on first click it will free the node.
> The idea is that you don’t need to keep mouse button pressed
while moving the node to allow using advanced digitising.
>
> Marco has still some work to do in the node tool, you can follow
discussion here:
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276
>
> Regarding the table view, I don’t know if Marco will allow
disabling it. At least, it would be nice to just hide it.
>
> Denis
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-14 Thread Denis Rouzaud 


On 09/14/2015 08:16 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Marco agreed to participate in our paid bug fixing program that should
> start after feature freeze (which - according to our website - is on
> September 26. If PSC votes for him - he can then work several days
> dedicated to bug fixing.

I am not sure that QGIS bug fixing program is the right way to go.

It wouldn't be fair that an unfinished paid work is pushed to master and
later on the group sponsors the end of the development.

I suggest to wait for Marco's answer regarding the schedule for fixing
the node tool.

I think that waiting again 2 weeks is a bit long as this tool is crucial
in QGIS. If he can't make it, then the solution of paid bug fixing by
another dev can be discussed, but that's a bit odd to me.


> 
> Marco is traveling the next two weeks (FOSS4G South Korea) - but I
> assume - after he is back, he can continue working on the
> digitizing/geometry issues.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> On 14.09.2015 07:19, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
>>
>> On 09/13/2015 11:32 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>>> On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei
>>>  wrote:
 The new changes assume:
   - User always wants to move a vertex
   - Only one single vertex is selected

 But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting,
 adding and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit
 confusing for users how the other tasks can be done, when it gets
 automatically locked on a single node.
>>> There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map tools,
>>> eg:
>>>
>>> - deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
>>> - deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be pre-selected
>>> (this pre-selection should by synchro with the table view selection
>>> model).
>>> - right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it
>>> pre-selected)
>>> - for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being
>>> moved (no rubberband)
>>> - editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband
>>> on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished it
>>> should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband)
>>> ( all from http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
>>> - split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
>>> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
>>> - inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
>>> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885
>>>
>>> I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it was
>>> unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and unexpected
>>> behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 2.8 is! I
>>> understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get some
>>> confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
>>> Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think they
>>> should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.
>> All these issues shall be fixed prior to the release.
>> Marco, do you have any schedule regarding this?
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-14 Thread Andreas Neumann 

Hi,

Marco agreed to participate in our paid bug fixing program that should 
start after feature freeze (which - according to our website - is on 
September 26. If PSC votes for him - he can then work several days 
dedicated to bug fixing.


Marco is traveling the next two weeks (FOSS4G South Korea) - but I 
assume - after he is back, he can continue working on the 
digitizing/geometry issues.


Andreas

On 14.09.2015 07:19, Denis Rouzaud wrote:


On 09/13/2015 11:32 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:

On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei
 wrote:

The new changes assume:
  - User always wants to move a vertex
  - Only one single vertex is selected

But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding and 
moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users how the 
other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a single node.

There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map tools, eg:

- deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
- deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be pre-selected
(this pre-selection should by synchro with the table view selection
model).
- right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it pre-selected)
- for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being
moved (no rubberband)
- editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband
on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished it
should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband)
( all from http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
- split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
- inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885

I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it was
unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and unexpected
behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 2.8 is! I
understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get some
confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think they
should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.

All these issues shall be fixed prior to the release.
Marco, do you have any schedule regarding this?



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde 
On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:
> Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever a node
> is selected?

Mmm, nice addition though!
But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)

Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool to edit
one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to the mouse
and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Saber Razmjooei 
The new changes assume:
 - User always wants to move a vertex
 - Only one single vertex is selected

But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding and 
moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users how the 
other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a single node.

Cheers,
Saber

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Sent: 13 September 2015 16:17
To: rich...@duif.net
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor


On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:00, Richard Duivenvoorde <rdmaili...@duif.net> wrote:

On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:

Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever a node
is selected?

Mmm, nice addition though!
But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)

Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool to edit
one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to the mouse
and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?

Yes it is. Although, there will be another pre-selection state which will 
correspond to 2.8 behavior.
Although, on first click it will free the node.
The idea is that you don’t need to keep mouse button pressed while moving the 
node to allow using advanced digitising.

Marco has still some work to do in the node tool, you can follow discussion 
here:
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276

Regarding the table view, I don’t know if Marco will allow disabling it. At 
least, it would be nice to just hide it.

Denis




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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Nathan Woodrow 
Personally for me unless we can get the whole thing nice and smooth I
really think the old click-drag still should stay as default and the
click-click mode + tools is added to ctrl modifier.  I know it adds more
complexity but I don't think "move" is the default action we should take on
a node unless we are told that is what the user is wanting to do.  I also
understand the desire to be more cad like and add more control on the
drawing tools but unless done right it's going to give people a bad
experience.

- Nathan

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Nyall Dawson 
wrote:

> On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei
>  wrote:
> > The new changes assume:
> >  - User always wants to move a vertex
> >  - Only one single vertex is selected
> >
> > But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding
> and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users
> how the other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a
> single node.
>
> There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map tools, eg:
>
> - deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
> - deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be pre-selected
> (this pre-selection should by synchro with the table view selection
> model).
> - right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it
> pre-selected)
> - for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being
> moved (no rubberband)
> - editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband
> on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished it
> should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband)
> ( all from http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
> - split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
> - inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885
>
> I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it was
> unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and unexpected
> behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 2.8 is! I
> understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get some
> confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
> Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think they
> should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Nyall Dawson 
On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei
 wrote:
> The new changes assume:
>  - User always wants to move a vertex
>  - Only one single vertex is selected
>
> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding and 
> moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users how 
> the other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a single 
> node.

There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map tools, eg:

- deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
- deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be pre-selected
(this pre-selection should by synchro with the table view selection
model).
- right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it pre-selected)
- for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being
moved (no rubberband)
- editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband
on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished it
should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband)
( all from http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
- split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
- inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885

I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it was
unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and unexpected
behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 2.8 is! I
understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get some
confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think they
should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Denis Rouzaud 


On 09/13/2015 11:32 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> On 14 September 2015 at 07:07, Saber Razmjooei
>  wrote:
>> The new changes assume:
>>  - User always wants to move a vertex
>>  - Only one single vertex is selected
>>
>> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding and 
>> moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users how 
>> the other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a single 
>> node.
> 
> There's a long blocker list relating to regressions in the map tools, eg:
> 
> - deleting a node: the rubber band is not removed
> - deleting a node: when finished, the next node should be pre-selected
> (this pre-selection should by synchro with the table view selection
> model).
> - right-click should cancel the edition of the node (but keeps it 
> pre-selected)
> - for point layers, there is no visual feedback of the point being
> moved (no rubberband)
> - editing in table view: changes should be applied to the rubberband
> on keypress (not on editing finished), and when editing is finished it
> should ends the digitizing (clear rubberband)
> ( all from http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276)
> - split tool errors: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13273 and
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13347
> - inability to add parts to null geometries - refs
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/12885
> 
> I tried to do some digitising in master last week and honestly it was
> unusable for geometry editing. Lots of regressions and unexpected
> behaviour compared to the smth editing machine that 2.8 is! I
> understand master is a work-in-progress, but can we get some
> confirmation of which issues will be addressed prior to 2.14?
> Marco/Denis? If there's no funding to address these then I think they
> should be prioritised for the 2.14 bug fixing period.

All these issues shall be fixed prior to the release.
Marco, do you have any schedule regarding this?


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Denis Rouzaud 


On 09/13/2015 11:07 PM, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> The new changes assume:
>  - User always wants to move a vertex
>  - Only one single vertex is selected
> 
> But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding and 
> moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users how 
> the other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a single 
> node.

No, old behavior should be brought back:
- when you click on a node, it moves but you can delete directly (so no
changes in terms of click)
- selecting several nodes should put them in pre-selection mode (hence
you can delete it).

Best wishes,
Denis


> 
> Cheers,
> Saber
> 
> From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> [mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Rouzaud Denis
> Sent: 13 September 2015 16:17
> To: rich...@duif.net
> Cc: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor
> 
> 
> On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:00, Richard Duivenvoorde <rdmaili...@duif.net> wrote:
> 
> On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:
> 
> Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever a node
> is selected?
> 
> Mmm, nice addition though!
> But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)
> 
> Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool to edit
> one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to the mouse
> and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
> selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?
> 
> Yes it is. Although, there will be another pre-selection state which will 
> correspond to 2.8 behavior.
> Although, on first click it will free the node.
> The idea is that you don’t need to keep mouse button pressed while moving the 
> node to allow using advanced digitising.
> 
> Marco has still some work to do in the node tool, you can follow discussion 
> here:
> http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276
> 
> Regarding the table view, I don’t know if Marco will allow disabling it. At 
> least, it would be nice to just hide it.
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor

2015-09-13 Thread Mathieu Pellerin 
At the risk of stating the obvious, selecting multiple nodes (to move or
delete those) has to come back. I do lots of digitizing and shipping 2.12
in its current state would be a very significant regression.

M
On 14 Sep 2015 12:13 pm, "Denis Rouzaud" <denis.rouz...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 09/13/2015 11:07 PM, Saber Razmjooei wrote:
> > The new changes assume:
> >  - User always wants to move a vertex
> >  - Only one single vertex is selected
> >
> > But in general, the node tool is also heavily used for deleting, adding
> and moving vertices. With the new behaviour it is a bit confusing for users
> how the other tasks can be done, when it gets automatically locked on a
> single node.
>
> No, old behavior should be brought back:
> - when you click on a node, it moves but you can delete directly (so no
> changes in terms of click)
> - selecting several nodes should put them in pre-selection mode (hence
> you can delete it).
>
> Best wishes,
> Denis
>
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Saber
> >
> > From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
> qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Rouzaud Denis
> > Sent: 13 September 2015 16:17
> > To: rich...@duif.net
> > Cc: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org
> > Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Vertex editor
> >
> >
> > On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:00, Richard Duivenvoorde <rdmaili...@duif.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 13-09-15 13:13, Radim Blazek wrote:
> >
> > Is there a possibility to suppress vertex editor popup whenever a node
> > is selected?
> >
> > Mmm, nice addition though!
> > But maybe it lacks an option to not use it :-)
> >
> > Another observation: when I create a line, and use the nodetool to edit
> > one line, after clicking on a node, it immediately 'sticks' to the mouse
> > and moves. In 2.8 the vertex only get's 'selected' and after this
> > selecting you can move it. Is this intended behaviour?
> >
> > Yes it is. Although, there will be another pre-selection state which
> will correspond to 2.8 behavior.
> > Although, on first click it will free the node.
> > The idea is that you don’t need to keep mouse button pressed while
> moving the node to allow using advanced digitising.
> >
> > Marco has still some work to do in the node tool, you can follow
> discussion here:
> > http://hub.qgis.org/issues/13276
> >
> > Regarding the table view, I don’t know if Marco will allow disabling it.
> At least, it would be nice to just hide it.
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> >
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