Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

In the educational institution where I am based, they have web 
filtering. Although there is no trouble in pinging keyserver.ubuntu.com, 
these apt-key commands always time out when attempting to access any of 
a number of different keyservers. I can only assume it uses a particular 
port, and that port is blocked.



On 27/09/17 23:07, Andreas Wicht wrote:

On 27 September 2017 at 11:51, Patrick Dunford  wrote:

In this case, that command times out.

That is very odd. I just tested it here on my system and that command
works flawlessly - no timeouts.

$ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160
Executing: /tmp/tmp.Umh6NXIiDM/gpg.1.sh --keyserver
keyserver.ubuntu.com
--recv-keys
089EBE08314DF160
gpg: requesting key 314DF160 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
gpg: key 314DF160: "Launchpad ubuntugis-stable" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 1


I installed a third party program that got the key from somewhere else.

This key was not required at the time the software was first installed but
has since been imposed.

I also experienced that. I always assumed that they change the key
from time to time as it happens frequently to me.


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Angelos Tzotsos]

We have tried to build everything on experimental ppa before we move the 
packages to unstable ppa (and when we move packages to unstable we send 
an e-mail to the QGIS packagers to rebuild their repo). Unfortunately 
not all UbuntuGIS packagers wait until they publish on unstable, so 
things like that might happen.


Best,
Angelos

On 09/28/2017 12:16 AM, Patrick Dunford wrote:
Isn't there possibly an option not to release packages for xenial and 
older until it's tested that ubuntugis works. As it only affects these 
older versions.


I can sympathise with OPs as I have been caught many times forgetting 
to comment out the repos in sources.list and unexpectedly being 
updated to a later qgis version that breaks something :)



On 28/09/17 06:08, Andre Joost wrote:

Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M:


My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS 
update

is available.



In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got 
updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, 
it would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers 
could do for it now.


So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14  may live longer.

Greetings,
André Joost


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Angelos Tzotsos]

On 09/28/2017 03:31 PM, Andre Joost wrote:

Am 27.09.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Alex M:



Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS
updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not
triggered.



The same applies to GDAl (and maybe PROJ if the planned improvements 
come on the way).


>
> Seems like some logistics could be worked out.
>

As a end-user-friendly solution, it would be great if ubuntugis could 
leave a copy of the last build on the server. This could be limited to 
the most-critical packages.


This works good in OSGEO4W in case any package causes unwanted 
corruption.


Greetings,
André Joost


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Unfortunately this is not supported by Launchpad.

Only one version is in "published" state.

Cheers,

Angelos


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 27.09.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Alex M:



Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS
updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not
triggered.



The same applies to GDAl (and maybe PROJ if the planned improvements 
come on the way).


>
> Seems like some logistics could be worked out.
>

As a end-user-friendly solution, it would be great if ubuntugis could 
leave a copy of the last build on the server. This could be limited to 
the most-critical packages.


This works good in OSGEO4W in case any package causes unwanted corruption.

Greetings,
André Joost


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

Isn't there possibly an option not to release packages for xenial and 
older until it's tested that ubuntugis works. As it only affects these 
older versions.


I can sympathise with OPs as I have been caught many times forgetting to 
comment out the repos in sources.list and unexpectedly being updated to 
a later qgis version that breaks something :)



On 28/09/17 06:08, Andre Joost wrote:

Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M:


My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update
is available.



In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got 
updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, 
it would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers 
could do for it now.


So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14  may live longer.

Greetings,
André Joost


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Micha Silver]

  
  
Hi Alex

On 09/27/2017 07:57 PM, Alex M wrote:


  On 09/26/2017 01:36 AM, Micha Silver wrote:

  
After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and no 
provider.


Micha,

I can at least explain why this has happened in the past. When a new
version of QGIS or GRASS comes out, all the dependencies in the repo
need to be rebuilt. It's somewhat circular too with the link between
grass, gdal and QGIS.

This can take a few days. Until then the package versions are not quite
in sync. You could say it's a design flaw of Launchpad, there's no wait
until all the packages in the repo are rebuilt before pushing feature.

I know Sebastian and Angelos try to build all in the Test repo and then
copy over to Unstable. But sometimes that just doesn't go smoothly.

  

Thanks for clarifying. 

  

The place to report issues is the ubuntugis mailing list
ubu...@lists.osgeo.org on https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu

  

Andre has already entered a ticket in trac.


  

My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update
is available.

  

No problem.  I'm confident that this will get ironed out soon.

  

Thanks,
Alex





  


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cell: +972-523-665918
  

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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Alex M]

On 09/27/2017 10:08 AM, Andre Joost wrote:
> Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M:
> 
>> My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
>> shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update
>> is available.
>>
> 
> In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got
> updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it
> would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could
> do for it now.
> 
> So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14  may live longer.
> 
> Greetings,
> André Joost
> 
> 

Ah that makes sense, if qgis.org builds against ubuntugis, then GRASS
updates will always cause this, since a rebuild of qgis.org is not
triggered.

Seems like some logistics could be worked out.

Thanks,
Alex




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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 27.09.2017 um 18:57 schrieb Alex M:


My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update
is available.



In this case, QGIS 2.18.13 worked for just one day, then GRASS got 
updated and broke the qgis plugin. If you'd refused the GRASS update, it 
would still work. There is nothing that the ubuntugis maintainers could 
do for it now.


So lets hope that QGIS 2.18.14  may live longer.

Greetings,
André Joost


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Alex M]

On 09/26/2017 01:36 AM, Micha Silver wrote:
> After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No plugin and 
> no 
> provider.
> 
> My apt sources includes:
> deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
> deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial main
> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial 
> main
> 
> The packages are installed:
> $ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
> ii  qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64  
>   
> GRASS plugin for QGIS
> ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis 
> all  GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data
> $ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
> ii  qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis 
> amd64GRASS provider for QGIS
> 
> More info:
> $ gdalinfo --version
> GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
> $ grass --version
> GRASS GIS 7.2.2
> 
> Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual.
> 
> This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade trashes 
> GRASS support.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome,
> Thanks, Micha
> 
> -- 
> Micha Silver
> Ben Gurion Univ.
> Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
> cell: +972-523-665918
> 

Micha,

I can at least explain why this has happened in the past. When a new
version of QGIS or GRASS comes out, all the dependencies in the repo
need to be rebuilt. It's somewhat circular too with the link between
grass, gdal and QGIS.

This can take a few days. Until then the package versions are not quite
in sync. You could say it's a design flaw of Launchpad, there's no wait
until all the packages in the repo are rebuilt before pushing feature.

I know Sebastian and Angelos try to build all in the Test repo and then
copy over to Unstable. But sometimes that just doesn't go smoothly.

The place to report issues is the ubuntugis mailing list
ubu...@lists.osgeo.org on https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu

My recommendation is that you do not upgrade QGIS as soon as the update
shows up but wait a day or two. Make sure the corresponding GRASS update
is available.

Thanks,
Alex




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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 27.09.2017 um 11:19 schrieb Patrick Dunford:

There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis
repositories (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on
where the key can be obtained.




If you talkabout the ubuntugis ppa, you can read the instructions on
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/

by clicking on "Technical details about this ppa", than "What is this?"

The way to get the key for QGIS repos (ubuntugis and debian) is 
described here:


https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu

following "Alternatively you can download ".

HTH,
André Joost

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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi,

If documentation on the website is missing, we will be very happy to get
a pull request for a homepage update from anyone.

https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/edit/master/source/site/forusers/alldownloads.rst

Thanks a lot!
Matthias

On 09/27/2017 11:50 AM, Andreas Wicht wrote:
> On 27 September 2017 at 11:19, Patrick Dunford  
> wrote:
>> There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories
>> (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can
>> be obtained.
> 
> That would be a general approach to get a missing key:
> 
> $ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160
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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andreas Wicht]

On 27 September 2017 at 11:19, Patrick Dunford  wrote:
> There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis repositories
> (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on where the key can
> be obtained.

That would be a general approach to get a missing key:

$ apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 089EBE08314DF160
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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

There is also a problem with a missing key for the ubuntugis 
repositories (089EBE08314DF160). There are no instructions provided on 
where the key can be obtained.



On 27/09/17 19:30, Andre Joost wrote:

Am 26.09.2017 um 21:04 schrieb Patrick Dunford:



If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the
actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because
they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository.


GRASS 7.2.1 for xenial is now in the Ubuntugis (stable) PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/

Unfortunately, you need libgdal-grass as well, but this is built on 
GDAL 2.1.3, but QGIS is built on GDAL 2.2.1.


If you force the older GDAL, QGIS will get removed, so the situation 
is dead-locked for now.


You may wait to let the devs fix it, or switch to the QGIS debian repo 
(returning to GDAL 1.11.3).


HTH,
André Joost




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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 26.09.2017 um 21:04 schrieb Patrick Dunford:



If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the
actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because
they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository.


GRASS 7.2.1 for xenial is now in the Ubuntugis (stable) PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/

Unfortunately, you need libgdal-grass as well, but this is built on GDAL 
2.1.3, but QGIS is built on GDAL 2.2.1.


If you force the older GDAL, QGIS will get removed, so the situation is 
dead-locked for now.


You may wait to let the devs fix it, or switch to the QGIS debian repo 
(returning to GDAL 1.11.3).


HTH,
André Joost




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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

I have tested on 16.04 and GRASS plugin does not work on Qgis 2.18.13 on 
Ubuntu Xenial with the Ubuntugis packages, just as it was reported at 
the top of this thread. That is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, not any derivative 
like Linux Mint.


The reason the newer versions work for GRASS is they don't need 
Ubuntugis because the packages are included.


If you can actually state where abouts in the Ubuntugis repository the 
actual packages that will make 2.18.13 work on Ubuntu 16.04 are because 
they are not in the regular Ubuntugis repository.

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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 26.09.2017 um 15:30 schrieb Patrick Dunford:


The issue with support for Xenial is not directly a Qgis responsibility.
It is relying on (a) the lack of support from the Ubuntu official
repositories and (b) the lack of timely updating of the third party
Ubuntugis repository. Neither of those is under the control of Qgis.


For that reason, QGIS has a debian repo that works without any ubuntugis 
stuff. But you will not have GDAL 2.x on Xenial, and only GDAL 2.1 on zesty.





The only versions of Qgis that require Ubuntugis are those built for
Xenial and earlier versions of Ubuntu. It is not required for later
versions of Ubuntu as the required packages are included in those
distros standard repositories.


Ubuntugis only supports Ubuntu LTS versions: currently precise, trusty 
and Xenial. They provide up-to-date GDAL and other packages that don't 
get updated on the main Ubuntu repo for variuos reasons. Newer versions 
of Ubuntu have newer versions of GIS packages.





So if you have an issue that is caused by Ubuntugis then one possible
solution is to have a distro that is based with a later version of
Ubuntu than Xenial. Linux Mint 18.x is based on Xenial. When Mint was
first launched they used to be up to date with releases based on up to
date Ubuntus, now they are falling so far behind that the latest Mint,
18.x, is based on Xenial.


Linux Mint usually takes every ubuntu LTS version, and applies their 
stuff on that.




Since Xenial, Ubuntu has released Yakkety,
Zesty and is about to release Artful.


These are non-LTS, with only half-year support. Linux Mint has released 
18.1 and 18.2 in the meantime, so no "falling behind".





I have verified that Qgis 2.18.13 runs without any problems with this
GRASS plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 and Debian 9.1. None of these require
Ubuntugis and I have not used it in the list of repositories for
installing the software from.


But you are at GRASS 7.2.0 and GDAL 2.1.2. These are "falling behind" 
the current sources of those packages. Ubuntugis is designed to offer 
the latest GIS builds for Ubuntu LTS versions.





To solve your problem you have basically three choices


1. Install a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian on your PC


2. Install a desktop hypervisor like VirtualBox and build a virtual
machine for a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian to run Qgis in


3. Wait until Ubuntugis works.


Ubuntugis **works**. It has GRASS 7.2.2 since 2017-09-19.

QGIS 2.18.13 was released 2017-09-18, At the time, GDAL 7.2.1 was the 
current GRASS version in the ubuntugis unstable ppa.


At the moment, you can get GRASS 7.2.1 from Ubuntugis **stable**, but 
you need to downgrade GDAL to 2.1.3 too.






I don't see particularly a problem with recommending either 1 or 2 as
options, just because Ubuntu is supporting Xenial as an LTS doesn't mean
everything available is guaranteed to work on it.


That's the expected behaviour of a LTS.


The fact you have to
use ubuntigis is because the standard Ubuntu repositories don't contain
the required packages. There are other issues with the Xenial packages
for Qgis, including an older version of Qt on that platform that causes
rounding issues when displaying floating point numbers.


Feel free to contact the developers or report a bug if you are still
concerned.


Done: https://issues.qgis.org/issues/17202


You may also wish to contact the ubuntugis maintainers.


No need for that, Ubuntugis packages work at the moment.

Greetings,
André Joost

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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Andre Joost]

Am 26.09.2017 um 14:50 schrieb Micha Silver:


Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the recommended repo for
ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's where
all the recent packages are.


Not quite:There is one toolchain with Ubuntugis and one without (debian):

https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/alldownloads.html#debian-ubuntu





I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years old - is not
going to be supported.


Xenial is the current Ubuntu LTS, and will be til next year.

Greetings,
André Joost

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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

You have cited that the issue is with Ubuntugis. Ubuntugis is not hosted 
by Qgis, and they have therefore no direct control over the versions of 
packages there. Hence the packages there are causing issues.



The issue with support for Xenial is not directly a Qgis responsibility. 
It is relying on (a) the lack of support from the Ubuntu official 
repositories and (b) the lack of timely updating of the third party 
Ubuntugis repository. Neither of those is under the control of Qgis.



The question is whether the LTS support for Ubuntu 16.04 is a guarantee 
that every available piece of software will work on it for the LTS 
period. I doubt that is absolutely guaranteed.



The only versions of Qgis that require Ubuntugis are those built for 
Xenial and earlier versions of Ubuntu. It is not required for later 
versions of Ubuntu as the required packages are included in those 
distros standard repositories.



So if you have an issue that is caused by Ubuntugis then one possible 
solution is to have a distro that is based with a later version of 
Ubuntu than Xenial. Linux Mint 18.x is based on Xenial. When Mint was 
first launched they used to be up to date with releases based on up to 
date Ubuntus, now they are falling so far behind that the latest Mint, 
18.x, is based on Xenial. Since Xenial, Ubuntu has released Yakkety, 
Zesty and is about to release Artful.



I have verified that Qgis 2.18.13 runs without any problems with this 
GRASS plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 and Debian 9.1. None of these require 
Ubuntugis and I have not used it in the list of repositories for 
installing the software from.



To solve your problem you have basically three choices


1. Install a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian on your PC


2. Install a desktop hypervisor like VirtualBox and build a virtual 
machine for a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian to run Qgis in



3. Wait until Ubuntugis works.


I don't see particularly a problem with recommending either 1 or 2 as 
options, just because Ubuntu is supporting Xenial as an LTS doesn't mean 
everything available is guaranteed to work on it. The fact you have to 
use ubuntigis is because the standard Ubuntu repositories don't contain 
the required packages. There are other issues with the Xenial packages 
for Qgis, including an older version of Qt on that platform that causes 
rounding issues when displaying floating point numbers.



Feel free to contact the developers or report a bug if you are still 
concerned. You may also wish to contact the ubuntugis maintainers.



On 27/09/17 01:50, Micha Silver wrote:

Hi Patrick

On 09/26/2017 02:10 PM, Patrick Dunford wrote:


The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on Xenial - 
you don't have the means to upgrade the base.



If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I don't 
need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved. Qgis do not 
provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously have limited means 
to ensure the packages there are up to date. So the best solution is 
not to use ubuntugis if there are issues like this.


Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the recommended 
repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages, if I'm not 
mistaken. That's where all the recent packages are. There are tons of 
mails in the archive regarding ubuntugis-unstable vs ubuntugis-nightly 
vs ubuntugis. But the discussion is always around ubuntugis. Please 
correct me if I'm wrong.



If I remove that repo (from Mint or Ubuntu) I go back to QGIS 2.14.x, 
which is now no longer the LTS version, and will probably not be 
supported any longer.



I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years old 
- is not going to be supported. Many people don't need or want the 
bleeding edge software, be we do expect that an OS and applications 
will work for several years. All we ask is not to push out new 
versions until the whole stack is ready. Since this problem with GRASS 
has happened before and always has been fixed within a few days, it's 
obvious to me that somehow packages are pushed out to the repo before 
the whole system has been checked thoroughly. So I don't think there's 
a problem with the underlying OS, or which repo to use.



Best regards,

Micha

There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and the 
most stable option is to use a supported distro.



On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote:
Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford 
:


There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on
a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual
machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the
latest 2.18 to see.

I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version.



I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially
supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is
now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, 

Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Micha Silver]

  
  
Hi Patrick

On 09/26/2017 02:10 PM, Patrick Dunford
  wrote:


  
  The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on
Xenial - you don't have the means to upgrade the base.
  
  
  If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I
don't need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved.
Qgis do not provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously
have limited means to ensure the packages there are up to date.
So the best solution is not to use ubuntugis if there are issues
like this.

Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the
  recommended repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for ages,
  if I'm not mistaken. That's where all the recent packages are.
  There are tons of mails in the archive regarding
  ubuntugis-unstable vs ubuntugis-nightly vs ubuntugis. But the
  discussion is always around ubuntugis. Please correct me if I'm
  wrong. 

  

If I remove that repo (from Mint or Ubuntu) I go back to QGIS
  2.14.x, which is now no longer the LTS version, and will probably
  not be supported any longer.


I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5 years
  old - is not going to be supported. Many people don't need or want
  the bleeding edge software, be we do expect that an OS and
  applications will work for several years. All we ask is not to
  push out new versions until the whole stack is ready. Since this
  problem with GRASS has happened before and always has been fixed
  within a few days, it's obvious to me that somehow packages are
  pushed out to the repo before the whole system has been checked
  thoroughly. So I don't think there's a problem with the underlying
  OS, or which repo to use.



Best regards,
Micha


   
  There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and
the most stable option is to use a supported distro.
  
  
  On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang
wrote:
  
  


Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford :


  There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to
test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in
a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm
with the latest 2.18 to see.

I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the
  LTS-version.

  
  
  
  
  I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an
officially supported distro, the most recent version is
based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because
the Mint people are falling behind in development. I
switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy.

Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching
  to somewhere else. The main problem here is imho that
  ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis repositories are very often
  out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells and whistles
  from ubuntugis is quite useless for me.


Cheers
Bernd



  
  
  
  On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver
wrote:
  
  

After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is
gone. No plugin and no provider. 

My apt sources includes:
deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis
xenial main
deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis
xenial main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main

The packages are installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
ii  qgis-plugin-grass   
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64   
GRASS plugin for QGIS
ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all 
GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data
$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
ii  qgis-provider-grass 
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64   
GRASS provider for QGIS

More info:
$ gdalinfo --version
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
$ grass --version
GRASS GIS 7.2.2

Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything
unusual.
 

Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on Xenial - you 
don't have the means to upgrade the base.



If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I don't need 
to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved. Qgis do not provide 
the ubuntugis repository so they obviously have limited means to ensure 
the packages there are up to date. So the best solution is not to use 
ubuntugis if there are issues like this.



There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there and the most 
stable option is to use a supported distro.



On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote:
Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford 
:


There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a
more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual
machine. I am going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest
2.18 to see.

I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version.



I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially
supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now
relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling
behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity
controversy.

Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching to 
somewhere else. The main problem here is imho that ubuntugis-unstable 
and the qgis repositories are very often out of sync. But a QGIS 
without all the bells and whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me.


Cheers
Bernd



On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote:

After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone.
No plugin and no provider.

My apt sources includes:
deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main
deb-src
http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main

The packages are installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
ii  qgis-plugin-grass
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS plugin
for QGIS
ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all GRASS plugin for
QGIS - architecture-independent data
$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
ii  qgis-provider-grass
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64 GRASS provider
for QGIS

More info:
$ gdalinfo --version
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
$ grass --version
GRASS GIS 7.2.2

Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual.

This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system
upgrade trashes GRASS support.

Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks, Micha

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Ben Gurion Univ.
Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
cell: +972-523-665918


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Bernd Vogelgesang]

Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford  
:




There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more  
recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual >machine. I am  
going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see.

I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the LTS-version.






I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially  
supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now  
>relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling  
behind in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity  
>controversy.
Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point switching to somewhere  
else. The main problem here is imho that ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis  
repositories are very often out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells  
and whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me.


Cheers
Bernd





On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote:
After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No  
plugin and no provider.

My apt sources includes:
deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu xenial  
main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu  
xenial main


The packages are installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
ii  qgis-plugin-grass 
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64GRASS plugin  
>>for QGIS
ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common  
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all  GRASS plugin  
>>for QGIS - architecture-independent data

$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
ii  qgis-provider-grass   
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64GRASS  
>>provider for QGIS


More info:
$ gdalinfo --version
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
$ grass --version
GRASS GIS 7.2.2

Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual.

This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade  
trashes GRASS support.


Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks, Micha

--Micha Silver
Ben Gurion Univ.
Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
cell: +972-523-665918


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Re: [Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Patrick Dunford]

There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to test on a more 
recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe in a virtual machine. I am 
going to have a look at my 17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see.



I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an officially 
supported distro, the most recent version is based on what is now 
relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because the Mint people are falling behind 
in development. I switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy.



On 26/09/17 21:36, Micha Silver wrote:
After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No 
plugin and no provider.


My apt sources includes:
deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu 
xenial main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu 
xenial main


The packages are installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
ii  qgis-plugin-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis 
amd64    GRASS plugin for QGIS
ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common 
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all  GRASS plugin 
for QGIS - architecture-independent data

$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
ii  qgis-provider-grass 1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis 
amd64    GRASS provider for QGIS


More info:
$ gdalinfo --version
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
$ grass --version
GRASS GIS 7.2.2

Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual.

This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade 
trashes GRASS support.


Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks, Micha

--
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Ben Gurion Univ.
Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
cell: +972-523-665918


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[Qgis-user] GRASS support lost (again) on Ubuntu/Mint

[Micha Silver]

  
  
After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is gone. No
plugin and no provider. 

My apt sources includes:
deb http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb-src http://qgis.org/ubuntugis xenial main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu
xenial main

The packages are installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass
ii  qgis-plugin-grass   
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64    GRASS
plugin for QGIS
ii  qgis-plugin-grass-common
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all  GRASS
plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data
$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass
ii  qgis-provider-grass 
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64    GRASS
provider for QGIS

More info:
$ gdalinfo --version
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23
$ grass --version
GRASS GIS 7.2.2

Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything unusual.

This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine system upgrade
trashes GRASS support.

Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks, Micha

-- 
Micha Silver
Ben Gurion Univ.
Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
cell: +972-523-665918
  

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