Re: [Ql-Users] Punters
punters...? it's a bit shady Arfur Dailee. Before I vote, I'm waiting to read what we get when we Dunbar-it! When speaking English in Wales we say bloke blokes unless, in the feminine case, when it is blokess blokesses. The Welsh have a word saeson. This is often (mis)used to mean that other lot,of uncertain origins. So let's adopt that !! :-) Next contributor I'll punt, will be Dilwyn?! John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi, I used to have a shop and we referred to the people who attended our shop as customers, people who attend market places, boot stalls etc, are referred to as punters. Arnold ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Roy wood wrote: The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, 'Billys' or, as Stuart would have it 'the great unwashed' Ahhh, I miss Stuart, he really had a way with words at times. I remember he christened the first Irish QL Show Inebriation Eireann at the end of the first day - mind you, he was fairly inebriated himself at the time Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dear oh dear. BEGIN RANT ... I really get 'teed' off with Political (bloody) Correctness. What a complete pile of crud that subject is. For example, a black, Somalian, Muslim friend of mine (George Bush must really hate him) hates being called 'coloured' because, as he says, he is black. Not only that, he used to collect the Golliwogs from jam jars. He is not offended by being called black nor is he offended by black boards, black balls, black marks or anything else with black in it. He is not offended by Christians having Christmas, Easter or any other religious festivals - and neither are any of his friends and family. What does offend him are, to use his own words, all these do-gooders and social workers who shove their noses into other people's business and make a problem where there wasn't one before. As he is quick to point out, if it is offensive (to black people) for a black board to be called black, why is it not offensive (to whites) for a white board to be called white? You can't have it both ways! He is one of the most helpful, friendly and nicest people you are ever likely to meet. There is nothing abusive in being called a punter and I'm happy to be one, because, I am one. If other people complain about being a punter then they are either far too sensitive or have had PC rammed down their throats to a horrendous degree. What, exactly, is wrong with being a punter? Other than having to stand at the back of a flat boat with a pole in one's hand :o) END RANT. I don't do PC I'm afraid (actually, I'm not afraid) - I call a spayed a cat that's been to the vets! (ok that was a tidied up version !) Cheers, Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi John, (In Wales) Before I vote, I'm waiting to read what we get when we Dunbar-it! Dunbar IT - that's my company name :o) As for my thoughts on the matter - see my previous rant, I think that should cover it. Cheers, Norman. (not in Wales) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Arnold, I used to have a shop and we referred to the people who attended our shop as customers, people who attend market places, boot stalls etc, are referred to as punters. I was always of the opinion, probably wrong, that customers were people who brought 'you' (ie the shop keepers etc) custom. A punter is just a general term for the crowds of people attending an event - I think it may stem from betting parlance where to punt is to bet and those who punt are punters. The English Language (and others too) is advancing (well, mostly advancing, Text Speak is a retrograde step in my opinion) and the term came to mean (or be accepted as) the public attending an event of some sort. Then the do-gooders got hold of it and tried to make us feel guilty about (a) being a punter or (b) using the term to describe a punter. It's worse in Australia. There is a bird - a Gallah (Spelling may be wrong) but it's a Rose breasted Cockatoo now. The DGs down under decided that because the term Gallah was being used to describe an 'idiot' that it shouldn't be taught to kids any more, so the bird was renamed to the Rose Breasted Cockatoo. Unfortunately, that name offended some other DGs who decided that you cannot teach kids to say 'breasted' because it is rude. Trust me, the parrots don't care what they are called and people in Oz still call them Gallahs! I suspect some people (ie, the DGs) have far too much time on their hands and they need to get out more. :o) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear oh dear. BEGIN RANT ... I really get 'teed' off with Political (bloody) Correctness. What a complete pile of crud that subject is. For example, a black, Somalian, Muslim friend of mine (George Bush must really hate him) hates being called 'coloured' because, as he says, he is black. Not only that, he used to collect the Golliwogs from jam jars. He is not offended by being called black nor is he offended by black boards, black balls, black marks or anything else with black in it. snip The song Old Man River in Showboat had originally ... niggers all work while de white folk play. That has been sensitised to ... coloured folk work . Christina Rosetti wrote, in her poem used by Harold Darke for the hymn In the bleak midwinter, ... a breastful of milk. The Victorians changed that to ... a heart full of mirth. Daft, Tony - -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCh3fM3RzOs8+btoRAoZwAJ9IkbSneX/8pT6ZyTSZ614HaIbDRgCfbt+N WuYq2PDpI/mk9k6U64fVXUg= =UZ4b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Clip There is nothing abusive in being called a punter and I'm happy to be one, because, I am one. If other people complain about being a punter then they are either far too sensitive or have had PC rammed down their throats to a horrendous degree. What, exactly, is wrong with being a punter? Other than having to stand at the back of a flat boat with a pole in one's hand :o) END RANT. Nice to hear the RANT ... :-) ... I guess one of the problems with punter is its connotation with horse racing and losing one's shirt ( all of your money ), by being gullible. Whereas ALL ql_users, as we know, are very erudite ... :-) I don't do PC I'm afraid (actually, I'm not afraid) - I call a spayed a cat that's been to the vets! (ok that was a tidied up version !) Cheers, Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) Umm ... it must have been hot ... ! -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters Hi Geoff, Just a word of caution. Please be careful in your assumptions about the person who raised the matter with me. It is someone I have known for many years and for whom I have a good deal of respect. This is the reason I have raised the matter on this list. Well, hopefully I didn't make any assumptions in my assorted rants - I was ranting in general and not at any one person in person. I do not know who the 'objector' was and certainly cannot make any assumptions about that person at all. If, on the other hand, my email(s) were taken to have assumed something about the person, then I apologise unreservedly as that was not my intention. Also on my part there was no intention to accuse you or anyone else of personal critcism of the person in question. I just thought we could be going in a dangerous direction in which some readers might just draw this conclusion. I would repeat yet again. My main purpose is to raise this as a serious matter, and on the whole the discussion has had the right balance of serious comment, humour and passion, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an attendee at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. Pity he is not a reader of this list, nor of dictionaries it would seem. There is nothing nautical about a punt, dangerous on the briny. Any grammatical fault is mine - a bad precis of what was written to me. This is a serious matter. Over the years the term punter has been used for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend workshops. It does have derogatory connotations, but I find attendee far to formal a word. If there is anything deprecatory about the term it is of the traders, suggesting as it does that anything on offer is a bit wager, will it work or not. Good point. I think this is one reason why I have doubts about the term. At 14:16 08/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: An important part of the planning of QL is 21 was a lady's programme. On the website I wanted to use the term partner programme, which I felt was the better modern usage. JM objected to this. Sarah Gilpin held us figuratively apart and tactfully suggested guest programme, which is what we used, Suggests to me she or the guest of indeterminate gender was on their own, a game of patience perhaps ? Or was partner programme a dating game ? What a good idea for a future workshop! In an email last week I described the attendance of the complete Quanta committee as The Full Monty. I was amused to read on the hotel's website today that the room we had can accommodate 15 people for a cabaret performance. BTW a pity you could not make it on Saturday. It is always interesting to meet someone with whom you have occasionally sparred. And thanks to all those people who did attend. You gave both Quanta and myself a huge morale boost, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Malcolm, Whereas ALL ql_users, as we know, are very erudite ... :-) Indeed we are ! Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) Umm ... it must have been hot ... ! Yes it was. 14 days all of which were 40 degrees (C) plus, or, in old money, over 104 degrees F. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hello again Geoff, Also on my part there was no intention to accuse you or anyone else of personal critcism of the person in question. I just thought we could be going in a dangerous direction in which some readers might just draw this conclusion. None taken Geoff - no need to apologise. Now the question has to be, have all us punters turned into apologists :o) Or, should we not go down that route? On a slightly different note, I must say that I find this list very 'exciting'. I remember when it was restricted to pure QL topics and while interesting and thoughtful, it seemed a bit 'staid' at times. Now that we tend to drift ever so slightly off topic from time to time, it feels more homely and fun. Anyone disagree? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an attendee at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. I'd have just said visitor myself. But I can't see anything wrong with using attendee in fact. Ask him what he wants to be called, he can't sue you then ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Would there be any mileage in offering a QL on stick as a special offer in that issue? Depends on the software to be included - of course. In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes gwicks a écrit : Dilwyn has kindly provided QL Today with a review copy of a QL on a stick. This is just the CD which you have to copy to your own USB memory stick. Would anyone be interested in doing a review for QL Today? Ideally we would like to publish in issue 2, which has a deadline of 15th November, OK, I could do that. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
