Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
-- From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:23 PM To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Websites I'm late to the party again! I use these http://www.5quidhost.co.uk/ who will give you a whole heap of stuff for £5.00 per month, discounted by paying a year in advance. Support is excellent, emails enquiries are promptly answered, servers are UK based in the main. They have a free setup, £5 per month and £10 per month. You can install anything (legally!) you wish when you have set up your account. My own web site (http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk) is hosted on a no-longer available plan costing less that £5 but I'm serioulsy considering upgrading due to the amount of stuff that now lives on my host server. This is mainly thanks to George updating the QDOS/SMSQ stuff on my web site. For £5 you get 1,000 MB disc, and an infinite number of the following: Email accounts, MySQL databases, Add on domains, sub-domains, FTP accounts (including, if I'm not mistaken SFTP) and unlimited bandwidth. There is also a packaged installer in your control panel, where you can download backups of your entire site, databases, etc, Install numerous blogs, forums (fora), Content Management Systems, E-commerce, etc - over 200 different applications are supplied included in the price. (Some of these are not available on the free hosting though, that has other limits too) One of the CMS systems is TYPO3, which is, as far as I remember, the very one used by Quanta. I'm only a happy customer, not involved with these people at all. Thanks for this constructive contribution. In fact, thanks to everyone who has responded. The discussion has taken place unemotionally , which is what need if we are to solve the problems. And a fully functioning website is vital for the survival of Quanta. There are two problems to be solved: 1: We cannot afford to pay £346 for a web host. When you do the arithmetic you realise that the subscription - even with this year's increase - is far too low for Quanta to be financially viable and has been far too low for about 10 years. We should think in terms of a subscription of up to £25. 2: The 6 - 7 year history of Quanta's failures to update its websites. On the whole Quanta has had competent Web Masters, but they have never had the consistent support of the officers, whose duty it is to provide the updated content. I would like to add an anecdote. One of the reasons I have a lot of sympathy for Quanta's Web Masters is my own experience of running dedicated pages on my website for the QL2004 and QLis21 shows. With one exception I was always able to update the non-Quanta QL2004 webpage within 24 hours. The exception was when Sjef v.d. Molengraaf asked me to hold fire for a couple of days because he had heard that a hotel we were recommending was about to close for renovation. Updating the Quanta QLis21 webpage was a nightmare. It could take up to a week to get the officers' approval, which was frustrating in the last month before a show. I still do not know if it was downright inefficiency or sheer bloody-mindedness to put me in my place. If you think I am being paranoid by the last sentence you have not seen how hierarchically minded Quanta's officers, present and past, are, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
I'm late to the party again! I use these http://www.5quidhost.co.uk/ who will give you a whole heap of stuff for £5.00 per month, discounted by paying a year in advance. Support is excellent, emails enquiries are promptly answered, servers are UK based in the main. They have a free setup, £5 per month and £10 per month. You can install anything (legally!) you wish when you have set up your account. My own web site (http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk) is hosted on a no-longer available plan costing less that £5 but I'm serioulsy considering upgrading due to the amount of stuff that now lives on my host server. This is mainly thanks to George updating the QDOS/SMSQ stuff on my web site. For £5 you get 1,000 MB disc, and an infinite number of the following: Email accounts, MySQL databases, Add on domains, sub-domains, FTP accounts (including, if I'm not mistaken SFTP) and unlimited bandwidth. There is also a packaged installer in your control panel, where you can download backups of your entire site, databases, etc, Install numerous blogs, forums (fora), Content Management Systems, E-commerce, etc - over 200 different applications are supplied included in the price. (Some of these are not available on the free hosting though, that has other limits too) One of the CMS systems is TYPO3, which is, as far as I remember, the very one used by Quanta. I'm only a happy customer, not involved with these people at all. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
-- From: Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:16 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Websites Geoff Wicks wrote, on 23/Sep/12 20:10 | Sep23: The bill for the current 12 months of my website came to £47.84. I use a commercial host that many small businesses and organisations use and I get a good service. That website that, by universal acclaim, is the best QL website ever is run more cheaply than I run mine. The host is Tony Firshman and I understand the owner of the site gets a good service from him. You missed out a line I think. You are talking I am sure about Dilwyn's site. I currently charge £18 per year plus VAT. Seriously I did not know how much you charged him. Last year Quanta spent £346 on its website, which is more than seven times what I am paying. Could someone please explain to me what Quanta is getting for this money that I am not getting. And why, after spending so much members' money, the Quanta website, apart from the news section, appears to have been at a complete still stand for about 18 months, Interesting question. I understand they use a content management system, but if the site doesn't change, that seems superfluous! They do use a content management system and that was the cause of numerous technical problems - hence the dear host. As far as I know the technical problems have been solved, but it seems that only one committee member is giving the web administrator the support he needs, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
-- From: Timothy Swenson swenso...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:33 PM To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Websites I maintain a website for two different local non-profits. Unless you make a concerted effort to make updates every month or so, it is fairly easy for sites to get stale (I'm guilty of that myself). Who ever maintains the site needs to set a schedule (similar to a newsletter) and update the site with something. If someone knows a fair bit about web programming, I'm sure update could be sent in via e-mail and automatically posted. But this all takes knowledge or money to hire someone. So, it really is just a matter of making the effort. It also helps to have information to post on the website. Sorry for the late reaction, but your email went into my spam folder and I have only just seen it. Having a schedule is what is necessary. As I understand the matter the whole purpose of the Content Management System is to allow several people to update the content and this share the burden of the work. I think there are a lot of questions to be asked here. Does everyone know what their specific areas of responsibility are and what their precise remit is? Quanta produces a magazine every two months and this is a good opportunity for the committee to look through the entire site to see what needs updating. (According to the site the most recent Quanta Magazine was April/May 2011. I have difficulty in keeping my site up to date, but the In the Magazines on the news page forces me to look at the news section 10 times a year, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
Geoff Wicks wrote, on 23/Sep/12 20:10 | Sep23: The bill for the current 12 months of my website came to £47.84. I use a commercial host that many small businesses and organisations use and I get a good service. That website that, by universal acclaim, is the best QL website ever is run more cheaply than I run mine. The host is Tony Firshman and I understand the owner of the site gets a good service from him. You missed out a line I think. You are talking I am sure about Dilwyn's site. I currently charge £18 per year plus VAT. Last year Quanta spent £346 on its website, which is more than seven times what I am paying. Could someone please explain to me what Quanta is getting for this money that I am not getting. And why, after spending so much members' money, the Quanta website, apart from the news section, appears to have been at a complete still stand for about 18 months, Interesting question. I understand they use a content management system, but if the site doesn't change, that seems superfluous! Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Websites
I maintain a website for two different local non-profits. Unless you make a concerted effort to make updates every month or so, it is fairly easy for sites to get stale (I'm guilty of that myself). Who ever maintains the site needs to set a schedule (similar to a newsletter) and update the site with something. If someone knows a fair bit about web programming, I'm sure update could be sent in via e-mail and automatically posted. But this all takes knowledge or money to hire someone. So, it really is just a matter of making the effort. It also helps to have information to post on the website. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] websites
Dilwyn Jones schrieb: Having just tidied up my QL Net page and removed a few out of date links, I find that the following QL sites are not accessible. Obviously, they may have moved. If the owners are on this list, or anyone knows where they went, please let me know so that I can put new entries on the QL Net page: Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com Nasta's site (ref. his email) http://www.spodmail.com/~nasta/home/home.htm Jerome Grimbert's QL wensite http://grimbert.cjb.net http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ QLCF site http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ql/service.html Austrian QL site hunting for it - since years... Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [ql-users] websites
On Mon, 10 May 2004, [ISO-8859-1] wolfgang mühlegger wrote: Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com This site is closed. It only had three semi-regular users. http://www.spodmail.com/~nasta/home/home.htm This site is up and working. Tested OK two minutes ago. Hope this helps... Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [ql-users] websites
Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com Still can't get that one to work... Nasta's site (ref. his email) http://www.spodmail.com/~nasta/home/home.htm Jerome Grimbert's QL wensite http://grimbert.cjb.net http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ QLCF site http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ql/service.html Ah, good, got those to work... Austrian QL site hunting for it - since years... :-) Thank you for your help. BTW, where are you based? Austria? -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [ql-users] websites
Dilwyn Jones schrieb: Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com Still can't get that one to work... Nasta's site (ref. his email) http://www.spodmail.com/~nasta/home/home.htm Jerome Grimbert's QL wensite http://grimbert.cjb.net http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ QLCF site http://jgrimbert.free.fr/ql/service.html Ah, good, got those to work... Austrian QL site hunting for it - since years... :-) Thank you for your help. BTW, where are you based? Austria? yes, im living in vienna wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [ql-users] websites
Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com This site is closed. It only had three semi-regular users. http://www.spodmail.com/~nasta/home/home.htm This site is up and working. Tested OK two minutes ago. Hope this helps... Dave Yes, thank you. I take it you have no QL website now? Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[ql-users] websites
Having just tidied up my QL Net page and removed a few out of date links, I find that the following QL sites are not accessible. Obviously, they may have moved. If the owners are on this list, or anyone knows where they went, please let me know so that I can put new entries on the QL Net page: Dave Park's Spodmail site http://ql.spodmail.com Nasta's site (ref. his email) Jerome Grimbert's QL wensite http://grimbert.cjb.net QLCF site Austrian QL site Mike Kilmeister's MJKsoft site Nick Cheesman's site. Al Boehm's site(s) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List
