Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
I am not sure, but it happens the first time with Marcel's extended Window version. Ralf Am 19.04.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Tobias Fröschle: I can confirm it happens on all my QLs and -alikes. Not very often, but regularly. - Q40 / SMSQ/E - QL / Minerva - QL / SGC / SMSQ/E - QL / GC / QDOS - QPC2 SMSQ/E - x86 Linux / uQLX / Minerva - x86 ARM / uQLX / Minerva (time to show off a bit ;) ) At least once I had XChange crash when scrolling up on each of these platforms. I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with Platform / OS but rather is a bug in XChange. It seems to trigger randomly, but, apparently, happens more often on larger documents, slower machines and "more aggressive up-scrolling". Tobias Am 19.04.2017 um 19:25 schrieb Ralf Reköndt : It doesn't happen on QPC 3.34 with Marcel's XChange.But it happens with SMSQmulator. Am 19.04.2017 um 19:16 schrieb Wolf: I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). Wolfgang On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Ralf, when I said "It happens regularly", I meant "It occurs to me once in a month" rather than "once in five minutes". But if it happens, it is very annoying. And (even if I tend to use it very rarely nowadays) I'm pretty sure that bug is very old legacy from original Quill and never got fixed, not even when Quill evolved into XChange. Tobias > Am 19.04.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Tobias Fröschle : > > I can confirm it happens on all my QLs and -alikes. Not very often, but > regularly. > > - Q40 / SMSQ/E > - QL / Minerva > - QL / SGC / SMSQ/E > - QL / GC / QDOS > - QPC2 SMSQ/E > - x86 Linux / uQLX / Minerva > - x86 ARM / uQLX / Minerva > > (time to show off a bit ;) ) > > At least once I had XChange crash when scrolling up on each of these > platforms. I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with Platform / OS but > rather is a bug in XChange. It seems to trigger randomly, but, apparently, > happens more often on larger documents, slower machines and "more aggressive > up-scrolling". > > Tobias > > >> Am 19.04.2017 um 19:25 schrieb Ralf Reköndt : >> >> It doesn't happen on QPC 3.34 with Marcel's XChange.But it happens with >> SMSQmulator. >> >> >> Am 19.04.2017 um 19:16 schrieb Wolf: >>> I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). >>> >>> Wolfgang >>> >>> On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : > Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. > > (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved > for a while) > > Tobias > In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob >> >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
I have tried it with a ten page doc under QPC 3.34 and did not get any problems. Ralf Am 19.04.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Tobias Fröschle: I can confirm it happens on all my QLs and -alikes. Not very often, but regularly. - Q40 / SMSQ/E - QL / Minerva - QL / SGC / SMSQ/E - QL / GC / QDOS - QPC2 SMSQ/E - x86 Linux / uQLX / Minerva - x86 ARM / uQLX / Minerva (time to show off a bit ;) ) At least once I had XChange crash when scrolling up on each of these platforms. I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with Platform / OS but rather is a bug in XChange. It seems to trigger randomly, but, apparently, happens more often on larger documents, slower machines and "more aggressive up-scrolling". Tobias Am 19.04.2017 um 19:25 schrieb Ralf Reköndt : It doesn't happen on QPC 3.34 with Marcel's XChange.But it happens with SMSQmulator. Am 19.04.2017 um 19:16 schrieb Wolf: I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). Wolfgang On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
I can confirm it happens on all my QLs and -alikes. Not very often, but regularly. - Q40 / SMSQ/E - QL / Minerva - QL / SGC / SMSQ/E - QL / GC / QDOS - QPC2 SMSQ/E - x86 Linux / uQLX / Minerva - x86 ARM / uQLX / Minerva (time to show off a bit ;) ) At least once I had XChange crash when scrolling up on each of these platforms. I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with Platform / OS but rather is a bug in XChange. It seems to trigger randomly, but, apparently, happens more often on larger documents, slower machines and "more aggressive up-scrolling". Tobias > Am 19.04.2017 um 19:25 schrieb Ralf Reköndt : > > It doesn't happen on QPC 3.34 with Marcel's XChange.But it happens with > SMSQmulator. > > > Am 19.04.2017 um 19:16 schrieb Wolf: >> I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). >> >> Wolfgang >> >> On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: >>> Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de >>> : >>> Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias >>> In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after >>> loading, without any changes. >>> The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. >>> Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? >>> So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no >>> problems there. >>> >>> Bob > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
It doesn't happen on QPC 3.34 with Marcel's XChange.But it happens with SMSQmulator. Am 19.04.2017 um 19:16 schrieb Wolf: I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). Wolfgang On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
I have it had happen on SMSQmulator (unfortunately). Wolfgang On 19/04/2017 17:21, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Op Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:49:27 +0200 schreef tobias.froesc...@t-online.de : Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias In this case the doc was only 3 pages and it also occurs just after loading, without any changes. The fact that it was OK in the slower SMSQm8 suggests a timing issue. Or maybe it's the processor difference, m68020 versus m68000? So I tried to repeat the same on my SGC/Aurora, also m68020, but no problems there. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Same here, IMHO that is a known bug. (That only occurs in sufficiently large documents you have not saved for a while) Tobias -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug? Datum: 2017-04-19T12:27:49+0200 Von: "Dilwyn Jones" An: "ql-us...@q-v-d.com" Not just Xchange Quill, original Quill too. Never seen it documented, but has happened to me countless times over the years to the extent I don't trust up-scrolling in either and have to use F3-Goto or , or at least save BEFORE scrolling up. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Bob Spelten Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:11 AM To: ql-users Subject: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug? Hi all, While I was using the Quill part of Xchange recently, it locked up, twice, when I held down the Up key and my cursor moved past the top line visible on my screen. RJOBs were needed. This Xchange version has been updated for 512x512 pixels, showing 42 lines of text, running in the most recent QPC2-SMSQ/E. Is this a known bug and is there a solution other then going slow to give it time to update the display for each scroll line? I repeated this in SMSQmulator8 v2.24 on the same PC but there the scrolling display kept going all the way to the top without locking up. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Hi, Same here. Scrolling in Quill is always a perilous enterprise. Wolfgang On 19/04/2017 12:22, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Not just Xchange Quill, original Quill too. Never seen it documented, but has happened to me countless times over the years to the extent I don't trust up-scrolling in either and have to use F3-Goto or , or at least save BEFORE scrolling up. Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
On 19/04/17 11:22, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Not just Xchange Quill, original Quill too. Never seen it documented, but has happened to me countless times over the years to the extent I don't trust up-scrolling in either and have to use F3-Goto or , or at least save BEFORE scrolling up. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Bob Spelten Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:11 AM To: ql-users Subject: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug? Hi all, While I was using the Quill part of Xchange recently, it locked up, twice, when I held down the Up key and my cursor moved past the top line visible on my screen. RJOBs were needed. This Xchange version has been updated for 512x512 pixels, showing 42 lines of text, running in the most recent QPC2-SMSQ/E. Is this a known bug and is there a solution other then going slow to give it time to update the display for each scroll line? I repeated this in SMSQmulator8 v2.24 on the same PC but there the scrolling display kept going all the way to the top without locking up. Bob Hi, What is the status of Xchange/Quill, if they are non-copyright, maybe the programmes could disassembled and correct the bugs. -- Regards, Derek ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Not just Xchange Quill, original Quill too. Never seen it documented, but has happened to me countless times over the years to the extent I don't trust up-scrolling in either and have to use F3-Goto or , or at least save BEFORE scrolling up. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Bob Spelten Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:11 AM To: ql-users Subject: [Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug? Hi all, While I was using the Quill part of Xchange recently, it locked up, twice, when I held down the Up key and my cursor moved past the top line visible on my screen. RJOBs were needed. This Xchange version has been updated for 512x512 pixels, showing 42 lines of text, running in the most recent QPC2-SMSQ/E. Is this a known bug and is there a solution other then going slow to give it time to update the display for each scroll line? I repeated this in SMSQmulator8 v2.24 on the same PC but there the scrolling display kept going all the way to the top without locking up. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] Xchange 3.90N bug?
Hi all, While I was using the Quill part of Xchange recently, it locked up, twice, when I held down the Up key and my cursor moved past the top line visible on my screen. RJOBs were needed. This Xchange version has been updated for 512x512 pixels, showing 42 lines of text, running in the most recent QPC2-SMSQ/E. Is this a known bug and is there a solution other then going slow to give it time to update the display for each scroll line? I repeated this in SMSQmulator8 v2.24 on the same PC but there the scrolling display kept going all the way to the top without locking up. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List
