Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[jms1]

On 2016-11-06 00:43, Geoff Wicks wrote:

On 04/11/2016 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure 
whether I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to,


Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as 
no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting.


I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format.
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I wonder whether the probem may be that Fred used some library
routines that he would be legally entitled to use in his own 
programs,

but which were not his copyright and thus he cannot release the code.
Not sure whether or not this would affect releasing the file
formatting though.

Another thing that fascinates me is the compression routine for QTYP.
Did TT use a standard routine? The reason is that the dictionaries
page on my website has taken off with over 1,000 hits in the last
quarter and it now comes high on the search engines. Most people are
downloading the QTYP versions which indicates to me they are usable 
in

other programs.

Nice to know that work you did for the QL years ago is still 
relevant,


Best Wishes,


Geoff





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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Norman Dunbar]

In which case, you would assume he would notice? Surely?

On 7 November 2016 13:42:16 GMT+00:00, Marcel Kilgus  
wrote:
>Norman Dunbar wrote:
>> It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank
>> replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this?
>
>I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text
>attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the
>HTML part of the mail...
>
>Cheers, Marcel
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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Graeme Gregory]

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016, at 01:42 PM, Marcel Kilgus wrote:
> Norman Dunbar wrote:
> > It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank
> > replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this?
> 
> I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text
> attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the
> HTML part of the mail...
> 
Only 15+ years of HTML email and still web "developers" cant get it
right :-(

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Marcel Kilgus]

Norman Dunbar wrote:
> It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank
> replies. I've had a couple recently. Are you aware of this?

I guess John's web-mailer generates HTML replies with a text
attachment that does NOT include his answer. Then the list strips the
HTML part of the mail...

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Norman Dunbar]

Updated again today.

There's a new tool to extract all known keywords. Not much use I admit, but I 
needed it myself.

QPC commands have now been added based on Marcel's manual version 4.02 based on 
QPC 4.04.


Enjoy.


Cheers,
Norm.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Norman Dunbar]

Hi John,

It seems that from time to time your emails appear to be blank replies. I've 
had a couple recently. Are you aware of this?


Cheers,
Norm.

On 7 November 2016 09:14:14 GMT+00:00, jms1  wrote:
>On 2016-11-05 02:37, RWAP Software wrote:
>> On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote:
>>> - Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure 
>>> whether
>>> I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to,
>>>
 Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as 
 no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting.
>>> I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format.
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>>
>> Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the
>> information about the file format?
>>
>> I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still
>> purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good
>> idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is
>> why
>>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[jms1]

On 2016-11-05 02:37, RWAP Software wrote:

On 2016-11-04 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure 
whether

I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to,

Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as 
no one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting.

I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format.
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Has anyone approached him recently to ask about publishing the
information about the file format?

I know he doesn't want to make Text87 freeware (you can still
purchase it from Jochen I think) but the file format might be a good
idea - assuming it isn't used in any other projects and that is
why

---
Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Norman Dunbar]

Afternoon Ian,

long time no speak!


On 06/11/16 13:32, Ian Burkinshaw wrote:


Where is you pdf regarding the Atmel AtTiny85 located for download.
Sounds interesting.



It's located on the Atmel web site. The direct link to the PDF data 
sheet is 
http://www.atmel.com/images/atmel-2586-avr-8-bit-microcontroller-attiny25-attiny45-attiny85_datasheet.pdf.


You can use the Arduino software to program the '85 but you'll need some 
additional board info files installing as per 
http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2015/09/getting-arduino-working-from-a-windows-7-virtualbox-guest/ 
- scroll down to the section on AtTiny85 Devices for the details.



HTH

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Ian Burkinshaw]

Hi Norman

Where is you pdf regarding the Atmel AtTiny85 located for download. Sounds 
interesting.


Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "Norman Dunbar" <nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk>

To: <ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.



Hi Geoff,

On 04/11/16 18:45, Geoff Wicks wrote:


One things that has not had sufficient attention is that the new version
of the SuperBasic manual is not only online, but is also downloadable in
three different formats. Pdf is a massive 2.16MB,


Rich's original announcement did mention the ability to download it on his 
webpage at www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online where it 
mentions being able to download PDF, HTML or Epub versions.


For context, re file sizes, my PDF for the Atmel AtTiny85 micro-controller 
is 234 pages and 3.8 Mb in size. The SuperBASIC Manual in PDF is 
currently, as of November 4th, 944 pages and is only 2.2 Mb in size. 
That's not bad for 4 times the number of pages at 0.57 times the size. ;-)


But, it will be getting bigger ..


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Geoff Wicks]

On 04/11/2016 19:09, Ralf Reköndt wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether 
I was the writer of the tools that Rich refers to,


Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no 
one has ever been able to unravel the file formatting.


I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format.
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I wonder whether the probem may be that Fred used some library routines 
that he would be legally entitled to use in his own programs, but which 
were not his copyright and thus he cannot release the code. Not sure 
whether or not this would affect releasing the file formatting though.


Another thing that fascinates me is the compression routine for QTYP. 
Did TT use a standard routine? The reason is that the dictionaries page 
on my website has taken off with over 1,000 hits in the last quarter and 
it now comes high on the search engines. Most people are downloading the 
QTYP versions which indicates to me they are usable in other programs.


Nice to know that work you did for the QL years ago is still relevant,

Best Wishes,


Geoff





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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Ralf Reköndt]

- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Wicks"I am not sure whether I was the writer of the tools that 
Rich refers to,


Text87 was always the most difficult of the QL word processors as no one 
has ever been able to unravel the file formatting.


I will never understand, why Fred does not open this format. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[RWAP Software]

On 2016-11-03 20:12, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Evening Marcel,

Up until I added the DJToolkit entries, everything else was as Rich's
original.  So the cease and desists should be pointed in his
direction! ;-)

When I have time, unless anyone else does it first, I'll see if I can
add in your other QPC commands and maybe the ones from Smsqemulator as
recently updated by Wolfgang.

Lunch hours are few and far between right now a I have a huge
migration of an Oracle system from Solaris to "the cloud" as my raisin
d'etre  (!) At the moment.

I suppose I better do a "how to" just on the off chance that anyone is
interested in updating the manual!

And I had noticed your links on QLForum too! I was glad to see good
use being made of my hard work, but obviously huge thanks must be
directed at Rich for the original work. I'm merely taking the glory
for the work of others!



The SBASIC/SuperBASIC Reference Manual was of course a huge project - 
whilst there were originally 3 of us involved in writing it (myself,  
Franz Hermann and Peter Jaeger), I took on the mantel before its 
original publication, and it was then published in 2 large A4 ring 
binders, over 1500 pages in total; but released in that format to make 
it possible to issue updates.


We released 4 updates to the original over the years, and then it was 
converted to PDF and sold on CD-ROM, but I ran out of time and resources 
to do any more updates to the manual, so there are probably a lot of 
commands and information which could still be added (for example, 
changes to SMSQ/e since about 2010).


The conversion to HTML format as a community project which could be 
easily updated by all then made the next sensible step, but with the 
manual written in Text87 format, this required a lot of re-formatting, 
which has now been done to a very high standard, thanks to tools 
originally written by myself and (Geoff Wicks I seem to recall), and 
then improved on by Norman to whom I am very much grateful.


Now is the time for everyone else to start updating and contributing to 
the manual to keep it current and ensure that it remains the must have 
reference to SuperBASIC programming knowledge.


Rich Mellor
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
www.sellmyretro.com
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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Marcel Kilgus]

Norman Dunbar wrote:
> The Online SuperBASIC manual at:
>
> http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Good work, Norman. In the short time it has been online, I've linked
at least 3 times to it. Of course you all will hear from my lawyer
with a cease and desist for describing all my CD_ command and then an
anti-competitive complaint because the other QPC commands aren't
included :-D

No really, much appreciated. Reading the foreword I see that Rich
already had put up a HTML version before, but that somehow didn't
really register with me. So anyway, thanks to everyone involved.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[Norman Dunbar]

The Online SuperBASIC manual at:

http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

has been updated to correct a few minor formatting problems with the 
introductory chapters and the appendices, well, some of them.


I've also added in the descriptions of all the routines to be found in 
the truly wonderful DJToolkit (version 1.16) which Dilwyn probably 
thinks is the best QL toolkit of all time. ;-)



Enjoy.


Cheers,
Norm.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Online SuperBasic Manual.

[jms1]

On 2016-10-24 17:27, Norman Dunbar wrote:

For those not watching the QL Forum [and why not? :-)], Rich recently
posted this 

Following a lot of work by Norman, the community edition of the
SBASIC / SuperBASIC Reference Manual is now available at:

http://superbasic-manual.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

There are some background notes which appear at:

www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/SBASIC_reference_manual_online

The sources are now on a Github repository -
https://github.com/NormanDunbar/SuperBASIC-Manual, although it is 
best

to fork this, make any changes and then do a fork request to get them
incorporated back into the original.

Just in time for the RWAP Software 30th Anniversary too?

:D


Read the introductory notes first, you will learn how you can
download html, epub or pdf versions.

Cheers,
Norm.


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