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I think you'll find that I'm the Ql'er with one ;) and have been for nearly 2 weeks !! Ner ner Video links coming up guys! John Alexander --- On Mon, 16/4/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Monday, 16 April, 2012, 22:19 Hi, Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th April 2012. Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012. I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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more specifically: google.co.uk only (They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary) -Original-Nachricht- Von: Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200 Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: more specifically: google.co.uk only (They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary) -Original-Nachricht- Von: Lee Privettlee.priv...@gmail.com An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200 Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone ___ My Google search shows a St George logo. Bryan H UK ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Well, it seems to be on google.com. On 23/04/2012 15:23, Bryan Horstmann wrote: On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: more specifically: google.co.uk only (They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary) -Original-Nachricht- Von: Lee Privettlee.priv...@gmail.com An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200 Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone ___ My Google search shows a St George logo. Bryan H UK ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 23 Apr 2012, at 11:40, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: On 23/04/2012 15:23, Bryan Horstmann wrote: On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: more specifically: google.co.uk only (They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary) -Original-Nachricht- Von: Lee Privettlee.priv...@gmail.com An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200 Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone ___ My Google search shows a St George logo. Bryan H Well, it seems to be on google.com. Not when loaded in NH, USA. We are getting the normal logo. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.ukhttp://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44 (0) 1442 828254 Fax: +44 (0) 1442 828255. Skype: tony firshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4f92c11b.8080...@dunbar-it.co.uk, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk writes Hi Bryan, On 21/04/12 10:21, Bryan Horstmann wrote: The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned earlier. But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC Keywords? Python isn't S*Basic, so most of the well known and loved S*Basic commands and keywords etc will not be there. Norm. As Norman says ... it is not a BASIC, so not all the 'helpers' as 'keywords', like in S*BASIC Its antecedents are in C/C++, so it more open ended than a BASIC programming language. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 77845c9e-9410-4678-a5d7-ac1476607...@firshman.co.uk, Tony firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes On 18 Apr 2012, at 17:31, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: In message 4f8e8d97.7070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org writes Hi Bryan, Thanks for the link. I believe that everything is covered within functions, yet I haven't programmed enough with Python to see if that is an advantage or a limitation. PS - You are not the Bryan, named in a Python film, are you? ... :-) Silly - that was 'Brian' (8-)# Tony (Looking on the bright side of life) Yes, yet he may have cunningly disguised himself, as Bryan, to fool his followers ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4f927160.2090...@dunbar-it.co.uk, Norman Dunbar
nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk writes
Hi Norman,
Great ... :-) ... we need you to write an easy-peasy Guide to Python!
I have been experimenting with a rather 'old version' - 2.5.2 - dated at
2008, that I never quite got around to using before the Raspberry Pi
revival came along.
With the PC Windows version, there is a separate 'interpreter' window
that runs and compiles, as you say, much like a BASIC. Easy ... :-)
I have just updated to 3.7, on Windows, 32 bit version for my machines.
Morning all,
On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either by
telling the python interpreter the name of the file:
python filename.py
or by putting this as the first line in the program:
#!/usr/bin/env python
then making it executable:
chmod u+x filename.py
then simply calling it:
./filename.py
Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment
and completely ignored.
There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you to
type something in, then compiles and executes it.
Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor
there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those
problems anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:
print 3 / 4
0
The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:
print float(3) / float(4)
0.75
or
print float(3) / 4
0.75
or, simply:
print 3 / 4.0
0.75
Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one
type to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and
coerces the int argument into float and gives back a float answer.
It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:
print '313' + 300 + '13'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
print '313' + 300 + '13'
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
But you can do it implicitly:
print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
626
And not necesarily in base 10 either:
print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
1098
Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.
Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre,
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So
you can see it's a capable programming language.
The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:
#!/usr/bin/env python
Dilwyn = 'Jones'
Tony = 'Firshman'
Malcolm = 'Cadman'
if (Dilwyn == Tony):
print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
elif (Tony == Malcolm):
print Clones are people two!
else:
print Everyone is an individual.
The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.
Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the
file name (ql.py).
In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.
Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:
ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]
To print them out, for example:
for person in ql_people:
print This person is: $s % person
They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an access
key, and use different open/close brackets:
ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
print ql_people['Jones']
Dilwyn
So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:
dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'age': 32,
'nationality': 'Welsh',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj
{'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj['lives in']
Tal-y-Bont
print dj['name'], dj['age']
Dilwyn Jones 32
You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've
warbled on long enough!
For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which I
got free from Amazon for my Kindle:
Hello Python:
Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
Morning all,
On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either by
telling the python interpreter the name of the file:
python filename.py
or by putting this as the first line in the program:
#!/usr/bin/env python
then making it executable:
chmod u+x filename.py
then simply calling it:
./filename.py
Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment
and completely ignored.
There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you to
type something in, then compiles and executes it.
Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor
there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those problems
anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:
print 3 / 4
0
The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:
print float(3) / float(4)
0.75
or
print float(3) / 4
0.75
or, simply:
print 3 / 4.0
0.75
Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one type
to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and coerces the
int argument into float and gives back a float answer.
It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:
print '313' + 300 + '13'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
print '313' + 300 + '13'
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
But you can do it implicitly:
print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
626
And not necesarily in base 10 either:
print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
1098
Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.
Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre,
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So
you can see it's a capable programming language.
The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:
#!/usr/bin/env python
Dilwyn = 'Jones'
Tony = 'Firshman'
Malcolm = 'Cadman'
if (Dilwyn == Tony):
print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
elif (Tony == Malcolm):
print Clones are people two!
else:
print Everyone is an individual.
The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.
Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the
file name (ql.py).
In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.
Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:
ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]
To print them out, for example:
for person in ql_people:
print This person is: $s % person
They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an access
key, and use different open/close brackets:
ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
print ql_people['Jones']
Dilwyn
So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:
dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'age': 32,
'nationality': 'Welsh',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj
{'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj['lives in']
Tal-y-Bont
print dj['name'], dj['age']
Dilwyn Jones 32
You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've
warbled on long enough!
For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which I
got free from Amazon for my Kindle:
Hello Python:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Python-Anthony-Briggs/dp/1935182080/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1334995546sr=1-1
Treading On Python Volume 1:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treading-Python-Volume-1-ebook/dp/B00639H0AK/ref=sr_1_8?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1334995630sr=1-8
And a free online Python programming course:
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
It's quite an easy, neat language with many decent features, and (sorry
Tony) far easier on the eye
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On 20/04/12 23:07, Tony firshman wrote: One has a first line for Linux - #!/usr/bin/perl/ - which points to the compiler. It's better to use: #!/usr/bin/env perl because it's cross distro. Linux is supposed to be standard, but different distro's put things in different locations. So, your file may not run on my laptop and vice versa if we used the hard coded path to the perl compiler (or whatever). Using /usr/bin/env will find the perl compiler no matter where it lives on my $PATH or yours. Of course, what puzzles me is the fact that I'm being told to avoid hard coding paths to perl, or python, or shells etc by hard coding the path to env instead - but I rather suspect that env *is* in a standard location. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21/04/12 09:35, Norman Dunbar wrote: Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables Oh no! The apostrophe! How did it get there? :-( Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were not actually necessary, and if GOTO did not exist, not even used. I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too. Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled program, including them without displaying them during compilation and including them as well as displaying them. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20/04/2012 09:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same. Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only
show when they
are encountered.
Python (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show
then and it stops
with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing
quotes (or a dreaded ';' in
Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.
It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which
computer languages actually
then get used.
One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or
semi-colons - it relies on indenting.
This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl (
and C).
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of
Python for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python
program written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another
such as Linux? Guess if the programs are written and saved using a
text editor there's a chance this might be possible, although probably
endian issues might arise with numbers, for example? Admittedly I know
nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They
were not actually necessary,
and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never
actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.
GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What
about RESTORE line_number though?
Dilwyn
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The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned
earlier. But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC
Keywords?
Bryan H
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On 21/04/2012 09:35, Norman Dunbar wrote:
Morning all,
On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either
by telling the python interpreter the name of the file:
python filename.py
or by putting this as the first line in the program:
#!/usr/bin/env python
then making it executable:
chmod u+x filename.py
then simply calling it:
./filename.py
Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment
and completely ignored.
There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you
to type something in, then compiles and executes it.
Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor
there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those
problems anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:
print 3 / 4
0
The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:
print float(3) / float(4)
0.75
or
print float(3) / 4
0.75
or, simply:
print 3 / 4.0
0.75
Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one
type to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and
coerces the int argument into float and gives back a float answer.
It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:
print '313' + 300 + '13'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
print '313' + 300 + '13'
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
But you can do it implicitly:
print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
626
And not necesarily in base 10 either:
print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
1098
Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.
Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre,
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So
you can see it's a capable programming language.
The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:
#!/usr/bin/env python
Dilwyn = 'Jones'
Tony = 'Firshman'
Malcolm = 'Cadman'
if (Dilwyn == Tony):
print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
elif (Tony == Malcolm):
print Clones are people two!
else:
print Everyone is an individual.
The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.
Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the
file name (ql.py).
In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.
Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:
ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]
To print them out, for example:
for person in ql_people:
print This person is: $s % person
They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an
access key, and use different open/close brackets:
ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
print ql_people['Jones']
Dilwyn
So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:
dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'age': 32,
'nationality': 'Welsh',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj
{'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}
print dj['lives in']
Tal-y-Bont
print dj['name'], dj['age']
Dilwyn Jones 32
You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've
warbled on long enough!
For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which
I got free from Amazon for my Kindle:
Hello Python:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Python-Anthony-Briggs/dp/1935182080/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1334995546sr=1-1
Treading On Python Volume 1:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treading-Python-Volume-1-ebook/dp/B00639H0AK/ref=sr_1_8?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1334995630sr=1-8
And a free online Python programming course:
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
It's quite an easy, neat language with many decent features, and
(sorry Tony) far easier on the eye than Perl!
Linux users probably already have Python 2.x installed. Python 3.0 is
coming/available but changes quite a lot.
Windows users can get an installer from
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I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's option Line Numbers. As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing to compile source code without line numbers. I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so no way to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a QSAVEd file (or QD5 Thing). Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were not actually necessary, and if GOTO did not exist, not even used. I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too. Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled program, including them without displaying them during compilation and including them as well as displaying them. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21 Apr 2012, at 11:42, Ralf Reköndt wrote: I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's option Line Numbers. As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing to compile source code without line numbers. I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so no way to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a QSAVEd file (or QD5 Thing). Turbo compiles from the tokenised SuperBASIC program. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Op Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:42:05 +0200 schreef Ralf Reköndt ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de: I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's option Line Numbers. As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing to compile source code without line numbers. I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so no way to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a QSAVEd file (or QD5 Thing). Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were not actually necessary, and if GOTO did not exist, not even used. I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too. Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled program, including them without displaying them during compilation and including them as well as displaying them. George QD can be used to write SBasic without bothering about line numbers. GOTO's and GOSUB's can easily be avoided. The SBAS/QD thing lets me test-run it from there. I use BasicLinker to call Qliberator, this will add line numbers for the _sav file, which can be stripped again by Qlib. This also takes care of multiple RESTORE commands, as long as they are the only command on that line. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Derek, Why get the source to Python and produce a specific version for Sbasic. Because we can? I suppose we could, after all, we have C68 for QDOSMSQ why not Python? It would be a separate language though, not something to compile S*Basic. I suppose we could produce sPython, which would run / compile Sbasic source code. But there would have be a facility to add extensions and Toolkits to it. Python is a language in it's own right, like C or Basic or Assembly. S*Basic syntax etc will not be compatible with Python. (Unless someone builds a translator of course.) ... I use Mint 12, which has Python 3 built in on installation, been using this for a while now, all very nice and very similiar to Sbasic/Superbasic. I too have Mint 12 and my Python shows 2.7.2+ but maybe there was an option at install time to select Python 2.x or 3.x. Even on the Python web site they advise sticking with 2,x as there are more programs compatible with that version. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Bryan, On 21/04/12 10:21, Bryan Horstmann wrote: The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned earlier. But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC Keywords? Python isn't S*Basic, so most of the well known and loved S*Basic commands and keywords etc will not be there. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4f8fe256.8070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org writes Hi Bryan, Yes, every computer language has its own way of doing things, hence the variety. Python seems to be in the middle ground, where it has features like the more complex C/C++ and Pascal, etc, and yet you do not have to all of that endless 'compiling' to see a result. So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run. One of the aims of the Pi, is to encourage programming, again, to users and especially younger users. To see a quick result. It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer languages actually then get used. I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. I'll just hope that we can get an emulator and stick to SBASIC I know. But if RS have 220,000 outstanding orders, it'll be some time before I get one! Bryan H. On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes Hi John, Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-) In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python programming language. As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage. For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy. The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to one well known comedic sketch. I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too . My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19 Apr 2012, at 15:10, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:
In message 4f8fe256.8070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org
writes
Hi Bryan,
Yes, every computer language has its own way of doing things, hence the
variety.
Python seems to be in the middle ground, where it has features like the more
complex C/C++ and Pascal, etc, and yet you do not have to all of that endless
'compiling' to see a result.
So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same. Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show when
they are encountered.
Python (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then and
it stops with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing
quotes (or a dreaded ';' in Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run
the program.
One of the aims of the Pi, is to encourage programming, again, to users and
especially younger users. To see a quick result.
It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer
languages actually then get used.
One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or semi-colons -
it relies on indenting. This imposes good layout, which I in fact always
attempt in perl ( and C).
I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were not
actually necessary, and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
Tony
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So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same. Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show
when they
are encountered.
Python (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then
and it stops
with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing quotes
(or a dreaded ';' in
Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.
It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer
languages actually
then get used.
One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or
semi-colons - it relies on indenting.
This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl ( and C).
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python for
Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program written on one
platform such as Windows, be run on another such as Linux? Guess if the
programs are written and saved using a text editor there's a chance this
might be possible, although probably endian issues might arise with numbers,
for example? Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks
interesting)
I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were
not actually necessary,
and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually
tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.
GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What about
RESTORE line_number though?
Dilwyn
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On 20 Apr 2012, at 16:40, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same. Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show
when they
are encountered.
Python (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then
and it stops
with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing quotes (or
a dreaded ';' in
Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.
It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer
languages actually
then get used.
One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or semi-colons
- it relies on indenting.
This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl ( and C).
This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python for
Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program written on one
platform such as Windows, be run on another such as Linux? Guess if the
programs are written and saved using a text editor there's a chance this
might be possible, although probably endian issues might arise with numbers,
for example? Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks
interesting)
I don't really know python, but I am sure it is much like perl.
One has a first line for Linux - #!/usr/bin/perl/ - which points to the
compiler.
Under windows one uses 'perl program name' - and it ignores the pointer, as it
is a comment!
Any extra modules needed are loaded using 'include', again at the beginning.
There will be no issues with the code as long as these modules are there -
usually. However, especially in the area of gt lt etc, syntx changed. These
languages though seem to be backward compatible in the main.
I always write witth a text editor, often on a different platform.
I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were
not actually necessary,
and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually
tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.
GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What about
RESTORE line_number though?
Ah I didn't know about that one, and have never used it.
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I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. I'll just hope that we can get an emulator and stick to SBASIC I know. But if RS have 220,000 outstanding orders, it'll be some time before I get one! Bryan H. On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes Hi John, Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-) In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python programming language. As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage. For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy. The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to one well known comedic sketch. I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too . My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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El 19/04/2012 12:00, Bryan Horstmann escribió: I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. That's the modulus operator, as in C language. The binary operator a%b returns the remainder of the integer division between a and b. It's equivalent to the MOD function in SBASIC. For example, 11%3 returns 2 because 11 divided by 3 gives 3 and remainder 2. It's a very powerfull operator to perform modular aritmethic. For example, imagine that you want to calculate fast sine functions, and to to that, you have set up a table with 360 numbers, indexed from 0 to 359. Element with index i will contain the sine of i (with i expressed in degrees). Then, for an arbitrary (positive integer) angle, you can do something like: sineofi = sinetable[i%360]; The index expression inside the brackets will wrap around 360, giving you 0,1,2,...,358,359,0,1, ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19 Apr 2012, at 06:00, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote: I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. I'll just hope that we can get an emulator and stick to SBASIC I know. But if RS have 220,000 outstanding orders, it'll be some time before I get one! I bet this includes a lot of duplicate 'registration of interest ' They still have not even asked if I even want to place an order, which I don't. In fact succesfully placed an order with Farnell on the second day. Tony Bryas Nice to misprint ones own name! Well unless I altered it by mistake. I quite often type 'Tiny'! -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ditto On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote: On 19 Apr 2012, at 06:00, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote: I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. I'll just hope that we can get an emulator and stick to SBASIC I know. But if RS have 220,000 outstanding orders, it'll be some time before I get one! I bet this includes a lot of duplicate 'registration of interest ' They still have not even asked if I even want to place an order, which I don't. In fact succesfully placed an order with Farnell on the second day. Tony Bryas Nice to misprint ones own name! Well unless I altered it by mistake. I quite often type 'Tiny'! -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19/04/2012 12:03, Miguel Angel Rodriguez Jodar wrote: El 19/04/2012 12:00, Bryan Horstmann escribió: I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages Syntax Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3 2 I cannot make sense of that. That's the modulus operator, as in C language. The binary operator a%b returns the remainder of the integer division between a and b. It's equivalent to the MOD function in SBASIC. For example, 11%3 returns 2 because 11 divided by 3 gives 3 and remainder 2. It's a very powerfull operator to perform modular aritmethic. For example, imagine that you want to calculate fast sine functions, and to to that, you have set up a table with 360 numbers, indexed from 0 to 359. Element with index i will contain the sine of i (with i expressed in degrees). Then, for an arbitrary (positive integer) angle, you can do something like: sineofi = sinetable[i%360]; The index expression inside the brackets will wrap around 360, giving you 0,1,2,...,358,359,0,1, ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Thanks Miguel. I've no knowledge of C and my scientific calculator wouldn't accept it. Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 4f8e8d97.7070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org writes Hi Bryan, Thanks for the link. I believe that everything is covered within functions, yet I haven't programmed enough with Python to see if that is an advantage or a limitation. PS - You are not the Bryan, named in a Python film, are you? ... :-) I've come across this which might be useful. I see functions but not procedures. http://cottagelabs.com/python-language-syntax-cheat-sheet/ Bryan H On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes Hi John, Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-) In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python programming language. As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage. For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy. The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to one well known comedic sketch. I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too . My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I've come across this which might be useful. I see functions but not procedures. http://cottagelabs.com/python-language-syntax-cheat-sheet/ Bryan H On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message 1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes Hi John, Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-) In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python programming language. As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage. For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy. The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to one well known comedic sketch. I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too . My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote: On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi, Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th April 2012. Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012. I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-) I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine arrived before then. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message 1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes Hi John, Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-) In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python programming language. As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage. For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy. The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to one well known comedic sketch. I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too . My RPi arrived yesterday ;) http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33 Lee Privett wrote: Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message CAKAuk+BD2k81X3Uq+fH3qbsRJx+G1Vi=c+qf_j+gjz0hmso...@mail.gmail.com, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com writes Hi Lee, Yes, I guess the fun is starting ... :-) Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote: On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi, Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th April 2012. Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012. I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-) I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine arrived before then. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message b87bf53a-b12f-4f0f-a5bc-5ae4e1c27...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi, Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th April 2012. Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012. I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-) I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine arrived before then. Tony Hi Tony, Knowing life ... it will probably be delivered at home before you get back. Then, again, I guess your son will already then be using it, too ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote: Hi, Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th April 2012. Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012. I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-) I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine arrived before then. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, Tring, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
