Re: [ql-users] Jochen Merz - Forwarded email
On 20 Mar 2002, at 18:44, Marcel Kilgus wrote: Why should it? In opposite to the other platforms QPC is still actively developed by me. This doesn't mean that you necessarily won't be able to build SMSQ/E for QPC. I could provide anybody who wants to do something with the necessary bits, they don't need to be freely available for that. And I don't remember you as somebody who is too shy to ask for something? I don't remember ever saying I was. Me neither. So what? So, we should see to it, that's what. There is no doubt that an enormous amount of learning will be needed at first. Be sure of that. I have a few years advantage and still don't know quite as much as I'd like to know. That's what I said, thanks for seconding. Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] Jochen Merz - Forwarded email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Eindhoven] Not sure. I'm having a dinner planned for that evening. I'll see what I can do... I had much better things to do this weekend, too... but I've just acquired the train tickets to come to Eindhoven. The status of QPC, for example, won't change at all. Why not? Why should it? In opposite to the other platforms QPC is still actively developed by me. This doesn't mean that you necessarily won't be able to build SMSQ/E for QPC. I could provide anybody who wants to do something with the necessary bits, they don't need to be freely available for that. And I don't remember you as somebody who is too shy to ask for something? Personally, I think the important thing is that we have a coherent OS for ALL of the machines it runs on.! I wouldn't like a situation where QPC, or Q60, or Aurora or whatever has OS features that the others don't have. Me neither. So what? There is no doubt that an enormous amount of learning will be needed at first. Be sure of that. I have a few years advantage and still don't know quite as much as I'd like to know. Umm I beg to differ here. The colour drivers do exist, but they can't be used from within the PE. Most people I know write for the PE, so... I second that. That's why I was trying to change that fact. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] Jochen Merz - Forwarded email
Jochen Merz wrote The idea was that the people involved would meet at Eindhoven next weekend and discuss matters, to see what can be done. I guess as you, Wolfgang, got everything going, we will meet you there too, won't we? ;-) Not sure. I'm having a dinner planned for that evening. I'll see what I can do... I did ask Tony whether I could release that info, he said yes. That's why it took me by surprise. A life without surprises isdull. The future status of SMSQ/E can be discussed there and a sensible decision can be made. And if SMSQ/E will become open source, we do have to find a reliable registrar, that's right. We can also discuss it here! The status of QPC, for example, won't change at all. Why not? And - it is SMSQ/E which could become open source, NOT drivers developed by others. So, Marcel, if you would like to help the QLers by producing an Aurora colour driver, go ahead and do so and it can be marketed. There is no reason why things need to/have to be for free. Personally, I think the important thing is that we have a coherent OS for ALL of the machines it runs on.! I wouldn't like a situation where QPC, or Q60, or Aurora or whatever has OS features that the others don't have. For me, the strength of the OS is that it is the SAME (hardware permitting) on all machines. If that is no longer the truth, I'll probably loose interest. (...) I would say that, in general, it is good to see the possibility of things improving somehow, although I doubt they will (and so does Tony) just because SMSQ/E may become open source. There is no doubt that an enormous amount of learning will be needed at first. (... ) The colour drivers exist for several years now - which application benefits from it? You see! Umm I beg to differ here. The colour drivers do exist, but they can't be used from within the PE. Most people I know write for the PE, so... In some circumstances, the additional colours do exist and are used. For example, I have an in-house database concerning my DVDs. I have recently changed that, so that it now shows the jackets. These have been scanned (under windows) and the software shows the original PC 256 colour bitmaps in part of the QL window. So, colours are getting used... I really hope that things get going faster again, and my feeling is that the modification which Marcel will do to the Window Manager as described some days ago may help getting more improvements than whether having an open source SMSQ/E or not. It's the drivers and applications, which are much more important!! Yes, but how much of the screen drivers (for example) is peculiar to each machine, and how much isn't? If one re-wrote the screen P.E screen driver traps and vectors, wouldn't all machines profit from this? And how would yu do that without the sources? But let's meet at Eindhoven next weekend and see what kind of reasonable solution can be found for SMSQ. The emphasis being on reasonable, I hope! Wolfgang
Re: [ql-users] Jochen Merz - Forwarded email
It all went off quite fast, faster than Tony actually thought. The idea was that the people involved would meet at Eindhoven next weekend and discuss matters, to see what can be done. I personally can not make it. I have a race on saturday. However, I have already made my point clear I think. I would say that, in general, it is good to see the possibility of things improving somehow, although I doubt they will (and so does Tony) just because SMSQ/E may become open source. You never know. Some people (like Jonathan Hudson) are not keen to work with anything that is not free. So he might now consider using SMSQ/E specific features and maybe even more. Tony has handed out several copies of the SMSQ/E source to various people to allow them to improve and implement what they wanted to do for the last two years. When I was still more active I had lots of discussions with Tony about the features I wanted (and have now proposed to implement). I could have done that four years ago if given the chance. I had much more time then. Joachim
