Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] PCL3 printers On 14 Mar 2002, at 3:19, Nicholls, Bruce wrote: Geoff The ML 4500 is a software only printer and doesn't have the hardware PCL3 emulation unlike the ML 4600 which works with QPC Linux as it has the hardware emulation. I can recommend the ML-4600 as I use it everyday. Oh, one of these GDI things, then? No luck, Geoff! Indeed a disappointment, but nice to have some certainty over the situation. I'll just have to wait patiently for the changes to QPC. Looking positively, this topic has shown that we can look wider than Epson for solutions to QL printing problems. It would be helpful if people who are sucessfully using PCL6 printers publish the make and type on this group and in Quanta and QL-Today. This sometimes happens with Epson compatibles. I don't know what the price of the ML4600 is, but there have been some good Samsung laser printer bargains in the UK recently and I can also say I am well satisfied with the ML-4500. It might be useful if we could find out which Samsungs are QL compatible and which not. Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Geoff Wicks wrote: Indeed a disappointment, but nice to have some certainty over the situation. For those not up on the whole GDI thing, here's a quickie explanation... GDI printers have an engine and a little memory, but not much else - the image generation is all handled by software - the drivers on the host PC, which does most of the work. They are very OS and driver dependant. They're the printer equivalent of winmodems - the dumb blonde of electronics... Dave
Fw: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
If you go to Marcel's website there is a program to use the 'Filter' option in QPC2 which IIRC processes text to output as Postscript for such printers. Oops, wrong program. This is a program which runs in SMSQE for conversion of ASCII to Postscript, written by Richard Urena, ported by Marcel. It's called MPS. I was thinking of a program Marcel mentioned on thsi list recently as being written by someone else to run as a QPC2 printer filter in Windows. Can you remind us Marcel? -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: Fw: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Oops, wrong program. Indeed. I should wait some minutes before replying next time ;-) I was thinking of a program Marcel mentioned on thsi list recently as being written by someone else to run as a QPC2 printer filter in Windows. Can you remind us Marcel? Yes, exactly. I got a new version of that tool a week ago but didn't have the time test it. So work is obviously still going on. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
Dilwyn Jones wrote: If you go to Marcel's website there is a program to use the 'Filter' option in QPC2 which IIRC processes text to output as Postscript for such printers. No, mix up. MPS can be used as a *QD* printer filter, this has nothing to do with QPC2's filter capability. In order for MPS to work there needs to be either ghostscript or a PostScript capable printer attached. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers On 8 Mar 2002, at 19:33, Geoff Wicks wrote: The printer is a Samsung ML-4500. Mine is an ML 4600 ! (I think that's the smaller model). There is no reason this shouldn't work. How did you set up your QPC? What is it using as printer port? Actually I was testing on a QXL. However, I have also tried it on QPC, using both Printer and LPT1 as printer port without success. The information about your printer indicates that it is worth experimenting further, and worth checking to see if there are any differences between an ML-4500 and an ML-4600. I don't think I have ever seen an ML-4600. Thanks for the help, Best Wishes, Geoff Wicks.
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
On 8 Mar 2002, at 19:33, Geoff Wicks wrote: The printer is a Samsung ML-4500. Mine is an ML 4600 ! (I think that's the smaller model). There is no reason this shouldn't work. How did you set up your QPC? What is it using as printer port? Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers On 7 Mar 2002, at 18:55, Geoff Wicks wrote: Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately it still did not work. Darn - then I'm out of fresh ideas. Have yu tried it with Laserjet, Laserjet 2 and Laserjet 3 4 Prowess drivers? At different resolutions? What printer exactly is it? I haved tried all these at different times, but no success. I suspect it is a simple problem of the printer drivers working, but the printer needing a message than downloading is complete and to start printing. That is what you did with the OPEN #3, par : CLOSE #3 par command. I think it was Peter Fox that said he had to press ESC with Text87 to get it printed in PCL3. Again the same idea. The printer is a Samsung ML-4500. The main reason for this choice was I could get it on favourable terms as the shop I use treats me as a business customer. (That's a privilege of running the Just Words! international emporium.) The printer boasts PCL6, Linux and Mac emulation so I thought there might be a chance it could be persuaded to talk to a QL. The emulation is done entirely through the drivers and there are few button controls. It gets good use as a PC printer for work for publishers, genealogical research including pictures etc., but so far the only QL use is the direct printing of Just Words! manuals. Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
some sort of HP-PLC bible http://library.cs.tuiasi.ro/hardware/devel-guide-to-hp-printers/ greetings from switzerland Markus
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
On 6 Mar 2002, at 18:56, Geoff Wicks wrote: So have I, but it doesn't work for me. The file downloads, but doesn't actually print. Do you have any special technique? Umm not really. I had thisproblem once,too. IIRC, once the entire file was downloaded, I openen a channel to the par device, and then it printed ok eg print from prowess wait till this is done OPEN#3,PAR wait a few secs CLOSE#3 If this solves the problem, update QPC... Also are you able to print from other programs, e.g. Text87? Never tried this, sorry. I could print stright out from basic, though. Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
- Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers On 6 Mar 2002, at 18:56, Geoff Wicks wrote: So have I, but it doesn't work for me. The file downloads, but doesn't actually print. Do you have any special technique? Umm not really. I had thisproblem once,too. IIRC, once the entire file was downloaded, I openen a channel to the par device, and then it printed ok Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately it still did not work. In reply to Phoebus (sorry I accidently deleted your email - so I write from memory). Thanks for the information, but a couple of points. You say the printer must be set for PCL6 emulation, but many printers only offer this emulation and therefore cannot be set. You also mentioned that PCL is downwards compatible. This is so for PCL5 downwards, but even HP warn that PCL6 is different, and I have been unable to discover what they mean by this. I have seen a printer, I forget which, which claimed to emulate PCL6 and PCL3 (or was it PCL4). I suspect that pure PCL6 is not fully downwards compatible, but that some printers also emulate other PCL levels using the generic term PCL6 compatible. If would be good if we could get some certainty on this point, because PCL6 compatibility would offer a new range of printers to QL-users. Are there any others beside Wolfgang who are successfully using PCL6 printers? Geoff Wicks.
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
At 01:55 ìì 7/3/2002, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers On 6 Mar 2002, at 18:56, Geoff Wicks wrote: So have I, but it doesn't work for me. The file downloads, but doesn't actually print. Do you have any special technique? Umm not really. I had thisproblem once,too. IIRC, once the entire file was downloaded, I openen a channel to the par device, and then it printed ok Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately it still did not work. In reply to Phoebus (sorry I accidently deleted your email - so I write from memory). Thanks for the information, but a couple of points. Hi Geoff, first of all, after some checking up yes PCL6 is somewhat different... as I deleted the mail myself I don't exactly remember if I mentioned PCL or PCL6 but in anycase I meant PCL... Now... about comms between PCL printers and host systems... IT HAS TO BE IN BINARY format... (On the pc copy file.prn prn /b ) If you send the output as text... you'll print gibberish... If would be good if we could get some certainty on this point, because PCL6 compatibility would offer a new range of printers to QL-users. Are there any others beside Wolfgang who are successfully using PCL6 printers? I will investigate further and tell you, Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
At 01:56 ìì 6/3/2002, Geoff Just Words Wicks wrote: So have I, but it doesn't work for me. The file downloads, but doesn't actually print. Do you have any special technique? Geoff, PCL compatible printers as I said previously sometimes need to be specifically put in PCL mode or they are not 100% PCL compatible... (PCL *IS* Backwards compatible)
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
I have the HP PCL programming reference manual in Greece both in printed and OCR'd forms.. I have to convince my father to find it and send it over unless you wish to wait for me to go to Greece (In 70 days YEAHH!!!) :-) Ah, no, I don't want to retype them, I have some printed code sets here already. I want them in machine readable form if possible, so I can send them on to anyone who asks. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
RE: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
My old EPSON laserwriter emulating PCL (3?) works fine with ProWess (Laserjet4 driver, not Laserjet3) and Text87 (Deskjet driver) Claude -Message d'origine- De : Geoff Wicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 19:57 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers I have an HP compatible printer, uses PCL 6. I'm successfully using the Laserjet4 printer driver under Prowess with it - so it does at least PCL4. I've also tried using it with Laserjet 2 drivers, and it work, too. So have I, but it doesn't work for me. The file downloads, but doesn't actually print. Do you have any special technique? Also are you able to print from other programs, e.g. Text87? Geoff Wicks.
[ql-users] PCL3 printers
Hi There, If anyone has an HP printer running PCL3, could they please let me know I have a printer driver for a PCL3 printer that works with QD and QSpread and would like someone to test it TIA Regards, Peter Fox
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
If anyone has an HP printer running PCL3, could they please let me know. I have a printer driver for a PCL3 printer that works with QD and QSpread and would like someone to test it. TIA Regards, Peter initially offered this driver to Jochen and I, but my Deskjet 320 has been relegated to the attic as I didn't have room for it and had run out of ink cartridges for it (Jochen has no Deskjet either) and I have not had time to do anything with it. In fact, it's not just Deskjets, anything PCL3 should do. If anyone can help Peter, it would be appreciated. PCL3 drivers are not too common on the QL but HP printers are one of (if not THE) the market leaders out there. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
PCL5 printers understand and can use PCL3. PCL3 is an exact subset of PCL5. HTH Dave Does anyone know where I can download a listing of PCL3 or 5 commands for programming purposes? Bruce Nicholls sent me some Epson ESC-P2 description files (think they were pdf files which I put on one of my CDs) and I've been looking for something similar for PCL. At one time I had a number for a HP Faxback service for these documents, but I no longer have a fax machine and haven't been able to get fax working on my computer (as usual). Having these files to hand and perhaps put on a CD or website would be very useful for QL programmers. I know that Christopher Cave for example was looking for such programming info for Deskjets at Hove this weekend (haven't forgotten you Chris, just notbeen able to find the files I mentioned yet). -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
Does anyone know where I can download a listing of PCL3 or 5 commands for programming purposes? Bruce Nicholls sent me some Epson ESC-P2 description files (think they were pdf files which I put on one of my CDs) and I've been looking for something similar for PCL At one time I had a number for a HP Faxback service for these documents, but I no longer have a fax machine and haven't been able to get fax working on my computer (as usual) Having these files to hand and perhaps put on a CD or website would be very useful for QL programmers I know that Christopher Cave for example was looking for such programming info for Deskjets at Hove this weekend (haven't forgotten you Chris, just notbeen able to find the files I mentioned yet) I have the HP PCL programming reference manual in Greece both in printed and OCR'd forms I have to convince my father to find it and send it over unless you wish to wait for me to go to Greece (In 70 days YEAHH!!!) :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
At 11:00 PM 3/5/2002 +, you wrote: Does anyone know where I can download a listing of PCL3 or 5 commands for programming purposes? Dilwyn, I have a copy of the HP PCL 5 Printer Language Technical Reference Manual If you can't find what you need, I can scan in parts of the book and send it to you Tim Swenson
Re: [ql-users] PCL3 printers
On 3 Mar 2002, at 18:45, Peter Fox wrote: Hi There, If anyone has an HP printer running PCL3, could they please let me know I have a printer driver for a PCL3 printer that works with QD and QSpread and would like someone to test it Hi Peter, I have an HP compatible printer, uses PCL 6 I'm successfully using the Laserjet4 printer driver under Prowess with it - so it does at least PCL4 I've also tried using it with Laserjet 2 drivers, and it work, too So it should work with PCL3 I'm quitewilling to test it Wolfgang
